Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Your 'casual' comment tackled an issue I've been thinking about recently- Ul gives info on spouse, children, siblings- I would appreciate if you would comment on this a little further- some opine that ULagna tells about siblings, second from UL about spouse, fifth about children. In general, my understanding is that UL stands for all 'non-self' significant others- therefore when we have a case that AL/self/ and UL/non-self/ are conjunct, conclussion is that the native is giving-self+non-self=unselfish. However, it's not quite clear to me how/if non-spousal relationships are affected by challenging position of two lagnas-AL and UL- Would you please comment on this?/I realize that you may be tired of so many many recent writings, please respond when you get a chance/ Warm regards, Anna vijay kumar <v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in> wrote: Dear Mr. Arvinda, Somehow the reply was delayed, sorry. Instead of commenting on your queries, I would casually mention that Jaimini System is the only system in which the signs have mutual aspects and the aspects of 8th- 6th-7th sign are called the preferential aspects for M-F-C signs. Refer sutras, abhipashyanti...., Parshbhe.... and Tannishthasch.... The point which I want to make is that the signs in 8th-6th-7th to M-F-C signs (and the planets therein) get mutually connected and such aspects are the important aspects. Thus the relevance of dusthanas get surfaced better when seen through the eyes of Jaimini astrology. Hence, not only that you have to notice a planet in dusthanas, you have to note where it links and so on.. Further, the Upapada is the key point used to decipher about the spouse, her longevity and character, native's character, native's looks, native's children and co-borns. Since, the spouse and the children are the offshoot of the marriage, this key point is actively used to delineate the mariage timing in addition to the other parameters. Regards, Vijay Kumar - Aravinda vedic astrology Saturday, December 13, 2003 2:58 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Darapada and Upapada Dear Vijay...........I am referring to both Parasara and Jaimini philosophies. Since, I use the JHORA software, it gives all the arudha padas and I do not calculate seperately as I take the software for granted. I am not very clear on the badhakesh concept. But I can clearly see that the UL, AL and A7 are in dusthanas from each other with the AL and A7 in mutually badhak places. UL in a dusthana from AL does not speak well of the relationship between the native and the spouse. But, since there are two first rate benefics in the UL, this might be alleviated.Also, the UL is being aspected by a strong moon and other planets. This is another good sign. As there are too many influences on the UL I was confused to find the strongest influence on it. Since, I am a novice in astrology, I did not know how to interpret this and seeked help on this. Thanks for the reply anyway.regardsAru--- In vedic astrology, "vijay kumar" <v_kumar@c...> wrote:> Dear arvinda,> > I hope, you are referring Jaimini system of astrology.> > By the way, I would like to know from you the following :> > Do you have badhaka concept in Jaimini ? > Has it been depicted in any Jaimini Sutra ?> What is the method you are following to calculate bhava arudhas ?> > Thanks,> > Vijay Kumar> > > - > Aravinda > To: vedic astrology > Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:34 AM> [vedic astrology] Darapada and Upapada> > > Hello to gurus....I have an interesting chart with me here. The > native has AL and A7 in samasaptaka and in mutually badhak places, > with UL in a dusthana from AL. UL itself is in a dusthana in the > eighth house but in conjunction with AK jupiter and UL lord venus > and 7th lord mars and aspected by a whole host of five planets. Can > anyone give comments on this placement? I am confused with the array > of aspects and conjunctions on the UL. Please help me on this.> > Thank you Partha for you last response and and thanks again for your > response on this one > > regards> Aru> > > Sponsor > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Dear Ms. Anna, My writing for a few days of joining this group always assumes that the reader is well aware of the subject, that is the reason why I do not mention everything in detail. I have come across many good enquiries in these few days and Your's is one of them. To be brief in writing, I always mention the point without mentioning many details on it, as I assume that most of it is already known by the readers. 12H is the house of Non-self and its arudha (UL) definitely gives the indications on the sprituality of a native. Let me quote that the 12H is 4th from 9H meaning that it indicates the possesions of religious traits. Similarly, 12H is also the 9H from 4H meaning it to indicate the religious traits of our moral possessions. 12H is thus very powerful to decide the status of Non-Self of the native. The UL is key point wherefrom various houses have to be seen to delineate the spouse, children etc. I did not feel the need to mention this. Good that you clarified to the readers. Thanks. Your interpretation of unselfish is acceptable. 5H is the house of pleasures (including extra-maritals) and when it has the connection from 8H (Sex organs) and 12H (privacy), it should form the combination for non-spousal connections. It would be worth mentioning when 5H has a strong connection with the 7H, the love affairs materialise to love-marriages. You may draw some conclusions by this assertion. One personal question : Which part of the country or globe you hail from ? You seem to be very humble in putting your view point which is appreciable. I am curious to know a little about your biodata. Thanks and Regards, Vijay Kumar - Anna vedic astrology Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:40 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Upapada/Vijay Dear Mr.Kumar, Your 'casual' comment tackled an issue I've been thinking about recently- Ul gives info on spouse, children, siblings- I would appreciate if you would comment on this a little further- some opine that ULagna tells about siblings, second from UL about spouse, fifth about children. In general, my understanding is that UL stands for all 'non-self' significant others- therefore when we have a case that AL/self/ and UL/non-self/ are conjunct, conclussion is that the native is giving-self+non-self=unselfish. However, it's not quite clear to me how/if non-spousal relationships are affected by challenging position of two lagnas-AL and UL- Would you please comment on this?/I realize that you may be tired of so many many recent writings, please respond when you get a chance/ Warm regards, Anna vijay kumar <v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in> wrote: Dear Mr. Arvinda, Somehow the reply was delayed, sorry. Instead of commenting on your queries, I would casually mention that Jaimini System is the only system in which the signs have mutual aspects and the aspects of 8th- 6th-7th sign are called the preferential aspects for M-F-C signs. Refer sutras, abhipashyanti...., Parshbhe.... and Tannishthasch.... The point which I want to make is that the signs in 8th-6th-7th to M-F-C signs (and the planets therein) get mutually connected and such aspects are the important aspects. Thus the relevance of dusthanas get surfaced better when seen through the eyes of Jaimini astrology. Hence, not only that you have to notice a planet in dusthanas, you have to note where it links and so on.. Further, the Upapada is the key point used to decipher about the spouse, her longevity and character, native's character, native's looks, native's children and co-borns. Since, the spouse and the children are the offshoot of the marriage, this key point is actively used to delineate the mariage timing in addition to the other parameters. Regards, Vijay Kumar - Aravinda vedic astrology Saturday, December 13, 2003 2:58 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Darapada and Upapada Dear Vijay...........I am referring to both Parasara and Jaimini philosophies. Since, I use the JHORA software, it gives all the arudha padas and I do not calculate seperately as I take the software for granted. I am not very clear on the badhakesh concept. But I can clearly see that the UL, AL and A7 are in dusthanas from each other with the AL and A7 in mutually badhak places. UL in a dusthana from AL does not speak well of the relationship between the native and the spouse. But, since there are two first rate benefics in the UL, this might be alleviated.Also, the UL is being aspected by a strong moon and other planets. This is another good sign. As there are too many influences on the UL I was confused to find the strongest influence on it. Since, I am a novice in astrology, I did not know how to interpret this and seeked help on this. Thanks for the reply anyway.regardsAruvedic astrology, "vijay kumar" <v_kumar@c...> wrote:> Dear arvinda,> > I hope, you are referring Jaimini system of astrology.> > By the way, I would like to know from you the following :> > Do you have badhaka concept in Jaimini ? > Has it been depicted in any Jaimini Sutra ?> What is the method you are following to calculate bhava arudhas ?> > Thanks,> > Vijay Kumar> > > - > Aravinda > vedic astrology > Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:34 AM> [vedic astrology] Darapada and Upapada> > > Hello to gurus....I have an interesting chart with me here. The > native has AL and A7 in samasaptaka and in mutually badhak places, > with UL in a dusthana from AL. UL itself is in a dusthana in the > eighth house but in conjunction with AK jupiter and UL lord venus > and 7th lord mars and aspected by a whole host of five planets. Can > anyone give comments on this placement? I am confused with the array > of aspects and conjunctions on the UL. Please help me on this.> > Thank you Partha for you last response and and thanks again for your > response on this one > > regards> Aru> > > Sponsor > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 Dear Mr. Kumar, Thank you for your elaborate response. UL /and AL/ seems to be always attractive food for thoughts. I understand what you mean by assuming that all listers are well versed in the subject, which, in fact is hardly ever the case- on the List with so many members, with various leve; of knowledge, and beginners are welcome, it's good if we strive to make our posts clear to majority. That's perhaps how we all learn. Thank you for clarifications which contribute to common knowledge. And thank you very much for a compliment- not sure I deserve it, LOL! I am not used to thinking about myself as a humble-being, for good reasons, beleive me.. One cannot be too humble, I would say, but I am too far from that goal- hope not arrogant, either.. I write this from Canada- Jyotish has become an international science of Light, obviously. It was pleasure reading your posts, and I hope you'll enjoy the List too. Warmest wishes, Annavijay kumar <v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in> wrote: Dear Ms. Anna, My writing for a few days of joining this group always assumes that the reader is well aware of the subject, that is the reason why I do not mention everything in detail. I have come across many good enquiries in these few days and Your's is one of them. To be brief in writing, I always mention the point without mentioning many details on it, as I assume that most of it is already known by the readers. 12H is the house of Non-self and its arudha (UL) definitely gives the indications on the sprituality of a native. Let me quote that the 12H is 4th from 9H meaning that it indicates the possesions of religious traits. Similarly, 12H is also the 9H from 4H meaning it to indicate the religious traits of our moral possessions. 12H is thus very powerful to decide the status of Non-Self of the native. The UL is key point wherefrom various houses have to be seen to delineate the spouse, children etc. I did not feel the need to mention this. Good that you clarified to the readers. Thanks. Your interpretation of unselfish is acceptable. 5H is the house of pleasures (including extra-maritals) and when it has the connection from 8H (Sex organs) and 12H (privacy), it should form the combination for non-spousal connections. It would be worth mentioning when 5H has a strong connection with the 7H, the love affairs materialise to love-marriages. You may draw some conclusions by this assertion. One personal question : Which part of the country or globe you hail from ? You seem to be very humble in putting your view point which is appreciable. I am curious to know a little about your biodata. Thanks and Regards, Vijay Kumar - Anna vedic astrology Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:40 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Upapada/Vijay Dear Mr.Kumar, Your 'casual' comment tackled an issue I've been thinking about recently- Ul gives info on spouse, children, siblings- I would appreciate if you would comment on this a little further- some opine that ULagna tells about siblings, second from UL about spouse, fifth about children. In general, my understanding is that UL stands for all 'non-self' significant others- therefore when we have a case that AL/self/ and UL/non-self/ are conjunct, conclussion is that the native is giving-self+non-self=unselfish. However, it's not quite clear to me how/if non-spousal relationships are affected by challenging position of two lagnas-AL and UL- Would you please comment on this?/I realize that you may be tired of so many many recent writings, please respond when you get a chance/ Warm regards, Anna vijay kumar <v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in> wrote: Dear Mr. Arvinda, Somehow the reply was delayed, sorry. Instead of commenting on your queries, I would casually mention that Jaimini System is the only system in which the signs have mutual aspects and the aspects of 8th- 6th-7th sign are called the preferential aspects for M-F-C signs. Refer sutras, abhipashyanti...., Parshbhe.... and Tannishthasch.... The point which I want to make is that the signs in 8th-6th-7th to M-F-C signs (and the planets therein) get mutually connected and such aspects are the important aspects. Thus the relevance of dusthanas get surfaced better when seen through the eyes of Jaimini astrology. Hence, not only that you have to notice a planet in dusthanas, you have to note where it links and so on.. Further, the Upapada is the key point used to decipher about the spouse, her longevity and character, native's character, native's looks, native's children and co-borns. Since, the spouse and the children are the offshoot of the marriage, this key point is actively used to delineate the mariage timing in addition to the other parameters. Regards, Vijay Kumar - Aravinda vedic astrology Saturday, December 13, 2003 2:58 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Darapada and Upapada Dear Vijay...........I am referring to both Parasara and Jaimini philosophies. Since, I use the JHORA software, it gives all the arudha padas and I do not calculate seperately as I take the software for granted. I am not very clear on the badhakesh concept. But I can clearly see that the UL, AL and A7 are in dusthanas from each other with the AL and A7 in mutually badhak places. UL in a dusthana from AL does not speak well of the relationship between the native and the spouse. But, since there are two first rate benefics in the UL, this might be alleviated.Also, the UL is being aspected by a strong moon and other planets. This is another good sign. As there are too many influences on the UL I was confused to find the strongest influence on it. Since, I am a novice in astrology, I did not know how to interpret this and seeked help on this. Thanks for the reply anyway.regardsAru--- In vedic astrology, "vijay kumar" <v_kumar@c...> wrote:> Dear arvinda,> > I hope, you are referring Jaimini system of astrology.> > By the way, I would like to know from you the following :> > Do you have badhaka concept in Jaimini ? > Has it been depicted in any Jaimini Sutra ?> What is the method you are following to calculate bhava arudhas ?> > Thanks,> > Vijay Kumar> > > - > Aravinda > To: vedic astrology > Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:34 AM> [vedic astrology] Darapada and Upapada> > > Hello to gurus....I have an interesting chart with me here. The > native has AL and A7 in samasaptaka and in mutually badhak places, > with UL in a dusthana from AL. UL itself is in a dusthana in the > eighth house but in conjunction with AK jupiter and UL lord venus > and 7th lord mars and aspected by a whole host of five planets. Can > anyone give comments on this placement? I am confused with the array > of aspects and conjunctions on the UL. Please help me on this.> > Thank you Partha for you last response and and thanks again for your > response on this one > > regards> Aru> > > Sponsor > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ........ Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2003 Report Share Posted December 18, 2003 vijay kumar [v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in]Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 4:53 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Upapada/Vijay Dear Ms. Anna, My writing for a few days of joining this group always assumes that the reader is well aware of the subject, that is the reason why I do not mention everything in detail. I have come across many good enquiries in these few days and Your's is one of them. To be brief in writing, I always mention the point without mentioning many details on it, as I assume that most of it is already known by the readers. 12H is the house of Non-self and its arudha (UL) definitely gives the indications on the sprituality of a native. Let me quote that the 12H is 4th from 9H meaning that it indicates the possesions of religious traits. Similarly, 12H is also the 9H from 4H meaning it to indicate the religious traits of our moral possessions. 12H is thus very powerful to decide the status of Non-Self of the native. The UL is key point wherefrom various houses have to be seen to delineate the spouse, children etc. I did not feel the need to mention this. Good that you clarified to the readers. Thanks. Your interpretation of unselfish is acceptable. 5H is the house of pleasures (including extra-maritals) and when it has the connection from 8H (Sex organs) and 12H (privacy), it should form the combination for non-spousal connections. It would be worth mentioning when 5H has a strong connection with the 7H, the love affairs materialise to love-marriages. You may draw some conclusions by this assertion. One personal question : Which part of the country or globe you hail from ? You seem to be very humble [ ] in putting your view point which is appreciable. I am curious to know a little about your biodata. Thanks and Regards, Vijay Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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