Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Dear Prakash, Neither Mars nor Sun are benefics. Chandrashekhar. Vedic Astrologer - Prakash wrote: >Dear Gurus & Members, > >I have Cancer ascendant and have got some planets creating >Adhi Yoga in the chart not exactly from Moon but from >Lagna. I have the following questions in mind: > >1. If Moon itself is a natural benefic then how do we >consider adhi yoga since this can happen in case one has >Cancer, Socrpio & Pisces Lagna? Here, one can not consider >adhi yoga from Moon or one can? Please guide me? > >2. From Lagna, I have natural benefic Mars in 6th house in >Sagittarius, Mercury is in 7th house in Capricorn with Sun, >Jupiter & Venus are in Aquarius in 8th house. According to >the placements three natural benefics are there and two >functional benefics. Does it signify an adhi yoga at all >since Moon is in 12th house in Gemini with Retrograde >Saturn. > >The birth details are as follows for your further research, >if required: > >Date of Birth: 25 January, 1975 >Time of Birth: 17:00 hrs. >Place of Birth: Almora, Uttaranchal, India > >Also if you could kindly tell me the effects of adhi yoga >in current times. > >Thanks for your time and space. > >With sincere regards, >Prakash Kandpal > > > > >Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard >http://antispam./whatsnewfree > > > > > > > > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Dear Gurudeva Chandrashekhar ji, I have written wrong Mars is functional benefic and not natural benefic. Regarding Sun, I just wanted to inform the members discussing adhi yoga about the placements. I regret the inconvenience caused. Your views are valid since Sun & Mercury can not be more than one sign apart as also Mercury & Venus can not be three signs apart. Thanks for your time and space. With sincere regards, Prakash Kandpal Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard http://antispam./whatsnewfree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2003 Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 Dear Dr. Satyaprakash, I think you have forgotten that we are talking about Adhi Yoga here. In the example given by you, hereunder,to prove your point, Sun is in 7th .. Sun is not a benefic and therefore Adhi yoga cannot arise. That apart, in the examples given by you Sun was not given in 7th house at all. I request you to once again indicate how in the position of Adhi yoga when 6,7 and 8 are occupied by Benefics and Mer/Ven in 6 and 8 Sun can be in 7th and still Adhiyoga could take place. If you read my mail again, I have not said that Venus and Mercury cannot be in 1 and 3 rasis but that Venus can not be more than 2 Rasis and Mercury not more than one Rasi apart from Sun. The example given by you is not the one originally given where if I remember right, and I am certain that I do, you had shown Mer in 6th Jup in 7th and Venus in 8th and vice-a versa. Kindly show where Sun can be in the original example given by you for Adhi yoga to occur if not in 5th or 9th house. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote: Dear Chandrasekharji, Initially I thought that you were referring to what you said below. But since I assumed that you could not have gone wrong in the application of the astronomy basics behind Sun, Mercury , Venus positions, I tried to figure other technical grounds. OK I will straightaway illustrate one case where Mercury is in the 6th and Venus is in the 8th without the Sun having to be in the 5th or 9th as you say. January 1st 1972. Moon in Gemini Mercury in Scorpio Jupiter in Scorpio Sun in Sagittarius Venus in Capricorn Here from Chandra lagna Mercury is in the 6th while Venus is in the 8th- a position that you say is impossible! Sun is in the 7th from the Moon which you say will be in the 5th or 9th (in fact it is the other way round, the Sun CANNOT be in the 5th or 9th when Mercury is in the 6th and Venus is in the 8th!!! The above example illustrates my point. Furthermore it is a good example of a strong Misrama Adhi yoga. Moon is strong and poorna being in the 7th from the Sun. Jupiter and Mercury are closely conjunct in the 6th from Chandra lagna while Venus is in the 8th. Moreover Jupiter is atmakaraka and Mercury is amatyakaraka for this particular case with Dhanurlagna. It is actually a strong Adhi yoga though Misrama. In actual life also so far the effects of the yoga have been experienced strongly in the respective antardasas. Since I have illustrated a particular case I might as well discuss a paradoxical aspect of Shubhaadhi and Misramaadhi yogas. In actual life a poorna Shubhaadhi yoga NEVER occurs and only a Misramaadhi yoga is possible IF one wants a POORNACHANDRA. Why? If the Moon is full, it has to be opposite the Sun and hence the Sun in the 7th since the reckoning is from Chandra lagna for Chandradhiyoga. Since the Sun is a malefic and has joined the yoga (by virtue of being in one of the 3 houses) he makes it a misramayoga. This is invariably the case for all cases of Poornachandra. But as you know when the Moon is full he empowers the other planets that are capable of giving yoga. After studying at least 12 cases thoroughly I feel that a Misramadhi yoga with Poornachandra is better than Subhadhi yoga with a weak Moon, though the malefics tell another or a different angle of story (they normally show the obstacles and difficulties faced). It is a basic accepted fact of jyotish that yogas bestowed by other planets too get reduced if the moon is weak. Hope the above helps. Regards, Satya vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: Dear Dr. Satyaprakashji, The reason is self evident. When Mercury and Venus are in alternate rasis( 6th/8th) Sun has to be either in 5th or 9th house, for Adhi yoga to occur.As I understand, astronomically, Mercury cannot be more than 28 degrees away from Sun(Elongation) and Venus more than 48 degrees and hence Sun does come into picture. So where-ever Mercury is in 6th and Venus in 8th or vice-a-versa, Adhiyoga can not be said to have occurred. Moon has nothing to do with this, and I do not understand why you assumed I was reffering to proximity of Sun to Moon. You might like to illustrate how , as you said . appropriate position of Sun is to be arrived at in the cases under reference. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote: Dear Chandrasekhar ji, Please read below. While I agree with what you have said, including the fact that it is not necessary that Adhiyoga is formed for Sagitarius alone, I find that the examples given are faulty in that, Mercury can not be 2 Rasis removed >from Sun as indicated in your examples of 1. Moon in Sagitarius,2 Moon in Pisces. Similarly Venus or Mercury can not be more than 3 Rasis apart >from Sun as in Moon in Libra example given. Correct me if I am wrong. I wonder why you brought Sun into the picture for the first 2 examples of Moon in Sag or Moon in Pisces. As for the Moon in Libra example, Mercury's position is obviously a typo because I clearly mentioned Mercury in the 8th but wrote Gemini instead of Taurus. Please read it as Taurus instead of Gemini as that is the 8th from libra. This is what I meant and Adhi yoga requires that these planets are in the 6th, 7th and 8th. I hope that the mistake is obvious and can be understood easily. As for the first 2 examples can you explain why Sun has been brought into the picture? The Sun could be anywhere except within 24 degrees of the Moon though it is preferred to be a strong Moon. Even if you are implying that the Moon should be strong, Moon is quite strong easily anywhere over 5 signs away from the Sun upto an opposition (full Moon). And you will find an appropriate position for the Sun for both these positions of Mercury and Venus. Regards, Satya Prakash ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click./mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/.8XolB/TM ---~-> Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2003 Report Share Posted November 16, 2003 Dear Dr. Satyaprakash, If I have offended you,as appears to be the case from the tone of your reply, be assured that I had no such intention.However our discussion has not shifted from my side, it was always about when Adhi yoga occurs and whether it is only limited to Sagittarius Ascendant. The confusion would not have arisen had you written Mercury in 6th, Sun and Jupiter in 7th and Venus in 9th, and indicated that this is the Mishraadhi yoga. About Adhi yoga per se, since Bhattotpala indicates its variation, Mishraadhi Yoga is not Adhi yoga is clear to me. However you are welcome to your opinion that Mishraadhi yoga is Adhi yoga. Since I do not get the difference between Malefic and Ashubha, the third variation Ashubha yoga its basis is difficult for me to follow. I know that Sun is treated as Krura and not Malefic by some scholars ( I too to that view) but it is no called Shubha by any scholar to the best of my limited knowledge. I am probably a stickler for the literal application of yoga and it is too late to change my views on this. Let us agree to disagree since we hold diametrically opposite views on Adhi Yoga.. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote: Dear Chandrasekharji, I guess that our discussion now shifts to whether Adhi yoga is formed or not if Sun joins the benefics in 6,7,8. Did I get your contention right? Well if that is the case, then we may be holding differing views about whether the presence of a malefic like Sun along with the benefics negates the Adhi yoga or not. Well as I stated initially some classics clearly allow such a thing to happen. That is why I had covered in my first post itself this point to show the various versions of Adhi yoga. While some are silent about any malefics joi ning the yoga, some clearly make allowance for this. That is why the three kinds of Adhi yoga are mentioned. Misramadhi yoga is dealt with both by Bhattotpala and Srutakirti. You may refer to Bhattotpala's commentary on Brihat Jataka for this. It is clearly stated that if only benefics participate, it is called Shubhadhi yoga, while malefic association along with the benefics forms a Misramadhi yoga. If you believe that Sun's participation does not allow Adhi yoga to occur, I will have to disagree with that as I have seen many classical scholars like Madhura Krishnamurthy sastry garu support this argument. Moreover at least two classical scholars support this view. In fact some say that Shubhadhi yoga is uttama, misramadhi yoga is misrama, ashubhadhi yoga is alpa. Right from the start I had the Sun in the 7th in mind as that is the only position that allows Mercury and Venus to be in the 6th and 8th (it goes without saying) and gives the Moon full strength. I had actually written only the positions of Moon, Mercury, Jupiter and Venus as these were the focus of the Yoga. In my first post itself I had clearly stated below my view (with classical support) about Malefics joining the Adhi yoga. I will state my position once again- Sun joining the Benefics will not negate the Adhi yoga. Regards, Satya ====================================================== vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: Dear Dr. Satyaprakash, I think you have forgotten that we are talking about Adhi Yoga here. In the example given by you, hereunder,to prove your point, Sun is in 7th .. Sun is not a benefic and therefore Adhi yoga cannot arise. That apart, in the examples given by you Sun was not given in 7th house at all. I request you to once again indicate how in the position of Adhi yoga when 6,7 and 8 are occupied by Benefics and Mer/Ven in 6 and 8 Sun can be in 7th and still Adhiyoga could take place. If you read my mail again, I have not said that Venus and Mercury cannot be in 1 and 3 rasis but that Venus can not be more than 2 Rasis and Mercury not more than one Rasi apart from Sun. The example given by you is not the one originally given where if I remember right, and I am certain that I do, you had shown Mer in 6th Jup in 7th and Venus in 8th and vice-a versa. Kindly show where Sun can be in the original example given by you for Adhi yoga to occur if not in 5th or 9th house. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote: Dear Chandrasekharji, Initially I thought that you were referring to what you said below. But since I assumed that you could not have gone wrong in the application of the astronomy basics behind Sun, Mercury , Venus positions, I tried to figure other technical grounds. OK I will straightaway illustrate one case where Mercury is in the 6th and Venus is in the 8th without the Sun having to be in the 5th or 9th as you say. January 1st 1972. Moon in Gemini Mercury in Scorpio Jupiter in Scorpio Sun in Sagittarius Venus in Capricorn Here from Chandra lagna Mercury is in the 6th while Venus is in the 8th- a position that you say is impossible! Sun is in the 7th from the Moon which you say will be in the 5th or 9th (in fact it is the other way round, the Sun CANNOT be in the 5th or 9th when Mercury is in the 6th and Venus is in the 8th!!! The above example illustrates my point. Furthermore it is a good example of a strong Misrama Adhi yoga. Moon is strong and poorna being in the 7th from the Sun. Jupiter and Mercury are closely conjunct in the 6th from Chandra lagna while Venus is in the 8th. Moreover Jupiter is atmakaraka and Mercury is amatyakaraka for this particular case with Dhanurlagna. It is actually a strong Adhi yoga though Misrama. In actual life also so far the effects of the yoga have been experienced strongly in the respective antardasas. Since I have illustrated a particular case I might as well discuss a paradoxical aspect of Shubhaadhi and Misramaadhi yogas. In actual life a poorna Shubhaadhi yoga NEVER occurs and only a Misramaadhi yoga is possible IF one wants a POORNACHANDRA. Why? If the Moon is full, it has to be opposite the Sun and hence the Sun in the 7th since the reckoning is from Chandra lagna for Chandradhiyoga. Since the Sun is a malefic and has joined the yoga (by virtue of being in one of the 3 houses) he makes it a misramayoga. This is invariably the case for all cases of Poornachandra. But as you know when the Moon is full he empowers the other planets that are capable of giving yoga. After studying at least 12 cases thoroughly I feel that a Misramadhi yoga with Poornachandra is better than Subhadhi yoga with a weak Moon, though the malefics tell another or a different angle of story (they normally show the obstacles and difficulties faced). It is a basic accepted fact of jyotish that yogas bestowed by other planets too get reduced if the moon is weak. Hope the above helps. Regards, Satya vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: Dear Dr. Satyaprakashji, The reason is self evident. When Mercury and Venus are in alternate rasis( 6th/8th) Sun has to be either in 5th or 9th house, for Adhi yoga to occur.As I understand, astronomically, Mercury cannot be more than 28 degrees away from Sun(Elongation) and Venus more than 48 degrees and hence Sun does come into picture. So where-ever Mercury is in 6th and Venus in 8th or vice-a-versa, Adhiyoga can not be said to have occurred. Moon has nothing to do with this, and I do not understand why you assumed I was reffering to proximity of Sun to Moon. You might like to illustrate how , as you said . appropriate position of Sun is to be arrived at in the cases under reference. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote: Dear Chandrasekhar ji, Please read below. While I agree with what you have said, including the fact that it is not necessary that Adhiyoga is formed for Sagitarius alone, I find that the examples given are faulty in that, Mercury can not be 2 Rasis removed >from Sun as indicated in your examples of 1. Moon in Sagitarius,2 Moon in Pisces. Similarly Venus or Mercury can not be more than 3 Rasis apart >from Sun as in Moon in Libra example given. Correct me if I am wrong. I wonder why you brought Sun into the picture for the first 2 examples of Moon in Sag or Moon in Pisces. As for the Moon in Libra example, Mercury's position is obviously a typo because I clearly mentioned Mercury in the 8th but wrote Gemini instead of Taurus. Please read it as Taurus instead of Gemini as that is the 8th from libra. This is what I meant and Adhi yoga requires that these planets are in the 6th, 7th and 8th. I hope that the mistake is obvious and can be understood easily. As for the first 2 examples can you explain why Sun has been brought into the picture? The Sun could be anywhere except within 24 degrees of the Moon though it is preferred to be a strong Moon. Even if you are implying that the Moon should be strong, Moon is quite strong easily anywhere over 5 signs away from the Sun upto an opposition (full Moon). And you will find an appropriate position for the Sun for both these positions of Mercury and Venus. 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Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Satya, You mentioned about Bhatottpala's commentary on Brihat Jataka. Any idea, how to get it? Regards Sarajit Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary [satyaprakasika] Sunday, November 16, 2003 7:59 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Adhi yoga Dear Chandrasekharji, I guess that our discussion now shifts to whether Adhi yoga is formed or not if Sun joins the benefics in 6,7,8. Did I get your contention right? Well if that is the case, then we may be holding differing views about whether the presence of a malefic like Sun along with the benefics negates the Adhi yoga or not. Well as I stated initially some classics clearly allow such a thing to happen. That is why I had covered in my first post itself this point to show the various versions of Adhi yoga. While some are silent about any malefics joi ning the yoga, some clearly make allowance for this. That is why the three kinds of Adhi yoga are mentioned. Misramadhi yoga is dealt with both by Bhattotpala and Srutakirti. You may refer to Bhattotpala's commentary on Brihat Jataka for this. It is clearly stated that if only benefics participate, it is called Shubhadhi yoga, while malefic association along with the benefics forms a Misramadhi yoga. If you believe that Sun's participation does not allow Adhi yoga to occur, I will have to disagree with that as I have seen many classical scholars like Madhura Krishnamurthy sastry garu support this argument. Moreover at least two classical scholars support this view. In fact some say that Shubhadhi yoga is uttama, misramadhi yoga is misrama, ashubhadhi yoga is alpa. Right from the start I had the Sun in the 7th in mind as that is the only position that allows Mercury and Venus to be in the 6th and 8th (it goes without saying) and gives the Moon full strength. I had actually written only the positions of Moon, Mercury, Jupiter and Venus as these were the focus of the Yoga. In my first post itself I had clearly stated below my view (with classical support) about Malefics joining the Adhi yoga. I will state my position once again- Sun joining the Benefics will not negate the Adhi yoga. Regards, Satya ====================================================== vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote: > Dear Dr. Satyaprakash, > I think you have forgotten that we are talking about Adhi Yoga here. In > the example given by you, hereunder,to prove your point, Sun is in 7th > . Sun is not a benefic and therefore Adhi yoga cannot arise. That > apart, in the examples given by you Sun was not given in 7th house at > all. I request you to once again indicate how in the position of Adhi > yoga when 6,7 and 8 are occupied by Benefics and Mer/Ven in 6 and 8 Sun > can be in 7th and still Adhiyoga could take place. If you read my mail > again, I have not said that Venus and Mercury cannot be in 1 and 3 rasis > but that Venus can not be more than 2 Rasis and Mercury not more than > one Rasi apart from Sun. The example given by you is not the one > originally given where if I remember right, and I am certain that I do, > you had shown Mer in 6th Jup in 7th and Venus in 8th and vice-a versa. > Kindly show where Sun can be in the original example given by you for > Adhi yoga to occur if not in 5th or 9th house. > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote: > > >Dear Chandrasekharji, > > > >Initially I thought that you were referring to what you said below. > >But since I assumed that you could not have gone wrong in the > >application of the astronomy basics behind Sun, Mercury , Venus > >positions, I tried to figure other technical grounds. > > > >OK I will straightaway illustrate one case where Mercury is in the > >6th and Venus is in the 8th without the Sun having to be in the 5th > >or 9th as you say. > > > >January 1st 1972. > > > >Moon in Gemini > >Mercury in Scorpio > >Jupiter in Scorpio > >Sun in Sagittarius > >Venus in Capricorn > > > >Here from Chandra lagna Mercury is in the 6th while Venus is in the > >8th- a position that you say is impossible! Sun is in the 7th from > >the Moon which you say will be in the 5th or 9th (in fact it is the > >other way round, the Sun CANNOT be in the 5th or 9th when Mercury is > >in the 6th and Venus is in the 8th!!! > > > >The above example illustrates my point. > > > >Furthermore it is a good example of a strong Misrama Adhi yoga. Moon > >is strong and poorna being in the 7th from the Sun. Jupiter and > >Mercury are closely conjunct in the 6th from Chandra lagna while > >Venus is in the 8th. Moreover Jupiter is atmakaraka and Mercury is > >amatyakaraka for this particular case with Dhanurlagna. > > > >It is actually a strong Adhi yoga though Misrama. In actual life > >also so far the effects of the yoga have been experienced strongly > >in the respective antardasas. > > > >Since I have illustrated a particular case I might as well discuss a > >paradoxical aspect of Shubhaadhi and Misramaadhi yogas. In actual > >life a poorna Shubhaadhi yoga NEVER occurs and only a Misramaadhi > >yoga is possible IF one wants a POORNACHANDRA. Why? If the Moon is > >full, it has to be opposite the Sun and hence the Sun in the 7th > >since the reckoning is from Chandra lagna for Chandradhiyoga. Since > >the Sun is a malefic and has joined the yoga (by virtue of being in > >one of the 3 houses) he makes it a misramayoga. This is invariably > >the case for all cases of Poornachandra. But as you know when the > >Moon is full he empowers the other planets that are capable of > >giving yoga. > > > >After studying at least 12 cases thoroughly I feel that a Misramadhi > >yoga with Poornachandra is better than Subhadhi yoga with a weak > >Moon, though the malefics tell another or a different angle of story > >(they normally show the obstacles and difficulties faced). It is a > >basic accepted fact of jyotish that yogas bestowed by other planets > >too get reduced if the moon is weak. > > > > > >Hope the above helps. > > > >Regards, > >Satya > > > > > >vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > >wrote: > > > > > >>Dear Dr. Satyaprakashji, > >>The reason is self evident. When Mercury and Venus are in > >> > >> > >alternate > > > > > >>rasis( 6th/8th) Sun has to be either in 5th or 9th house, for Adhi > >> > >> > >yoga > > > > > >>to occur.As I understand, astronomically, Mercury cannot be more > >> > >> > >than 28 > > > > > >>degrees away from Sun(Elongation) and Venus more than 48 degrees > >> > >> > >and > > > > > >>hence Sun does come into picture. So where-ever Mercury is in 6th > >> > >> > >and > > > > > >>Venus in 8th or vice-a-versa, Adhiyoga can not be said to have > >> > >> > >occurred. > > > > > >>Moon has nothing to do with this, and I do not understand why you > >>assumed I was reffering to proximity of Sun to Moon. You might > >> > >> > >like to > > > > > >>illustrate how , as you said . appropriate position of Sun is to > >> > >> > >be > > > > > >>arrived at in the cases under reference. > >>Regards, > >>Chandrashekhar. > >> > >>Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote: > >> > >>Dear Chandrasekhar ji, > >> > >>Please read below. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>While I agree with what you have said, including the fact that it > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>is not > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>necessary that Adhiyoga is formed for Sagitarius alone, I find > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>that the > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>examples given are faulty in that, Mercury can not be 2 Rasis > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>removed > >> > >> > >>>from Sun as indicated in your examples of 1. Moon in Sagitarius,2 > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Moon > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>in Pisces. Similarly Venus or Mercury can not be more than 3 > >>> > >>> > >Rasis > > > > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>apart > >> > >> > >>>from Sun as in Moon in Libra example given. Correct me if I am > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>wrong. > >> > >>I wonder why you brought Sun into the picture for the first 2 > >>examples of Moon in Sag or Moon in Pisces. > >> > >>As for the Moon in Libra example, Mercury's position is obviously > >> > >> > >a > > > > > >>typo because I clearly mentioned Mercury in the 8th but wrote > >> > >> > >Gemini > > > > > >>instead of Taurus. Please read it as Taurus instead of Gemini as > >>that is the 8th from libra. This is what I meant and Adhi yoga > >>requires that these planets are in the 6th, 7th and 8th. I hope > >> > >> > >that > > > > > >>the mistake is obvious and can be understood easily. > >> > >>As for the first 2 examples can you explain why Sun has been > >> > >> > >brought > > > > > >>into the picture? The Sun could be anywhere except within 24 > >> > >> > >degrees > > > > > >>of the Moon though it is preferred to be a strong Moon. Even if > >> > >> > >you > > > > > >>are implying that the Moon should be strong, Moon is quite strong > >>easily anywhere over 5 signs away from the Sun upto an opposition > >>(full Moon). And you will find an appropriate position for the Sun > >>for both these positions of Mercury and Venus. > >> > >> > >>Regards, > >>Satya Prakash > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 Dear Dr. Satya Prakash, You have set my mind at rest. I was worried lest you be offended. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary [satyaprakasika (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Monday, November 17, 2003 3:02 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Adhi yogaDear Chandrasekharji,Rest assured that you have not offended me at all. Wonder whatever gave you that impression. Email does such things at times. No way. Both had stuck to the technical discussion without any personals. To me it was a good discussion. As for agreeing to disagree, it is a common thing in all fields. I do respect your right to hold your views just as I would hold my view. Jyotish is such a vast field and there are different views on many points. I had seen scholars debate on this very topic- the Adhi yoga- many times earlier too.Regards,Satya vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Dr. Satyaprakash,> If I have offended you,as appears to be the case from the tone of your > reply, be assured that I had no such intention.However our discussion > has not shifted from my side, it was always about when Adhi yoga occurs > and whether it is only limited to Sagittarius Ascendant. The confusion > would not have arisen had you written Mercury in 6th, Sun and Jupiter in > 7th and Venus in 9th, and indicated that this is the Mishraadhi yoga.> About Adhi yoga per se, since Bhattotpala indicates its variation, > Mishraadhi Yoga is not Adhi yoga is clear to me. However you are welcome > to your opinion that Mishraadhi yoga is Adhi yoga. Since I do not get > the difference between Malefic and Ashubha, the third variation Ashubha > yoga its basis is difficult for me to follow. I know that Sun is treated > as Krura and not Malefic by some scholars ( I too to that > view) but it is no called Shubha by any scholar to the best of my > limited knowledge.> I am probably a stickler for the literal application of yoga and it is > too late to change my views on this. Let us agree to disagree since we > hold diametrically opposite views on Adhi Yoga..> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote:> > >Dear Chandrasekharji,> >> >I guess that our discussion now shifts to whether Adhi yoga is > >formed or not if Sun joins the benefics in 6,7,8. Did I get your > >contention right? > >> >Well if that is the case, then we may be holding differing views > >about whether the presence of a malefic like Sun along with the > >benefics negates the Adhi yoga or not. Well as I stated initially > >some classics clearly allow such a thing to happen. That is why I > >had covered in my first post itself this point to show the various > >versions of Adhi yoga. While some are silent about any malefics joi > >ning the yoga, some clearly make allowance for this. That is why the > >three kinds of Adhi yoga are mentioned. Misramadhi yoga is dealt > >with both by Bhattotpala and Srutakirti. You may refer to > >Bhattotpala's commentary on Brihat Jataka for this. It is clearly > >stated that if only benefics participate, it is called Shubhadhi > >yoga, while malefic association along with the benefics forms a > >Misramadhi yoga. > >> >If you believe that Sun's participation does not allow Adhi yoga to > >occur, I will have to disagree with that as I have seen many > >classical scholars like Madhura Krishnamurthy sastry garu support > >this argument. Moreover at least two classical scholars support this > >view. In fact some say that Shubhadhi yoga is uttama, misramadhi > >yoga is misrama, ashubhadhi yoga is alpa.> >> >Right from the start I had the Sun in the 7th in mind as that is the > >only position that allows Mercury and Venus to be in the 6th and 8th > >(it goes without saying) and gives the Moon full strength. I had > >actually written only the positions of Moon, Mercury, Jupiter and > >Venus as these were the focus of the Yoga. In my first post itself I > >had clearly stated below my view (with classical support) about > >Malefics joining the Adhi yoga.> >> >I will state my position once again- Sun joining the Benefics will > >not negate the Adhi yoga. > >> >> >Regards,> >Satya > >> >======================================================> > > >--- In vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar <boxdel> > >wrote:> > > >> >>Dear Dr. Satyaprakash,> >>I think you have forgotten that we are talking about Adhi Yoga > >> > >>> >here. In > > > >> >>the example given by you, hereunder,to prove your point, Sun is > >> > >>> >in 7th > > > >> >>. Sun is not a benefic and therefore Adhi yoga cannot arise. That > >>apart, in the examples given by you Sun was not given in 7th house > >> > >>> >at > > > >> >>all. I request you to once again indicate how in the position of > >> > >>> >Adhi > > > >> >>yoga when 6,7 and 8 are occupied by Benefics and Mer/Ven in 6 and > >> > >>> >8 Sun > > > >> >>can be in 7th and still Adhiyoga could take place. If you read my > >> > >>> >mail > > > >> >>again, I have not said that Venus and Mercury cannot be in 1 and 3 > >> > >>> >rasis > > > >> >>but that Venus can not be more than 2 Rasis and Mercury not more > >> > >>> >than > > > >> >>one Rasi apart from Sun. The example given by you is not the one > >>originally given where if I remember right, and I am certain that > >> > >>> >I do, > > > >> >>you had shown Mer in 6th Jup in 7th and Venus in 8th and vice-a > >> > >>> >versa. > > > >> >>Kindly show where Sun can be in the original example given by you > >> > >>> >for > > > >> >>Adhi yoga to occur if not in 5th or 9th house.> >>Regards,> >>Chandrashekhar.> >>> >>Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote:> >>> >> > >>> >>>Dear Chandrasekharji,> >>>> >>>Initially I thought that you were referring to what you said > >>> > >>>> >below. > > > >> >>>But since I assumed that you could not have gone wrong in the > >>>application of the astronomy basics behind Sun, Mercury , Venus > >>>positions, I tried to figure other technical grounds.> >>>> >>>OK I will straightaway illustrate one case where Mercury is in > >>> > >>>> >the > > > >> >>>6th and Venus is in the 8th without the Sun having to be in the > >>> > >>>> >5th > > > >> >>>or 9th as you say. > >>>> >>>January 1st 1972.> >>>> >>>Moon in Gemini> >>>Mercury in Scorpio> >>>Jupiter in Scorpio> >>>Sun in Sagittarius> >>>Venus in Capricorn> >>>> >>>Here from Chandra lagna Mercury is in the 6th while Venus is in > >>> > >>>> >the > > > >> >>>8th- a position that you say is impossible! Sun is in the 7th > >>> > >>>> >from > > > >> >>>the Moon which you say will be in the 5th or 9th (in fact it is > >>> > >>>> >the > > > >> >>>other way round, the Sun CANNOT be in the 5th or 9th when Mercury > >>> > >>>> >is > > > >> >>>in the 6th and Venus is in the 8th!!! > >>>> >>>The above example illustrates my point.> >>>> >>>Furthermore it is a good example of a strong Misrama Adhi yoga. > >>> > >>>> >Moon > > > >> >>>is strong and poorna being in the 7th from the Sun. Jupiter and > >>>Mercury are closely conjunct in the 6th from Chandra lagna while > >>>Venus is in the 8th. Moreover Jupiter is atmakaraka and Mercury > >>> > >>>> >is > > > >> >>>amatyakaraka for this particular case with Dhanurlagna.> >>>> >>>It is actually a strong Adhi yoga though Misrama. In actual life > >>>also so far the effects of the yoga have been experienced > >>> > >>>> >strongly > > > >> >>>in the respective antardasas. > >>>> >>>Since I have illustrated a particular case I might as well > >>> > >>>> >discuss a > > > >> >>>paradoxical aspect of Shubhaadhi and Misramaadhi yogas. In > >>> > >>>> >actual > > > >> >>>life a poorna Shubhaadhi yoga NEVER occurs and only a Misramaadhi > >>>yoga is possible IF one wants a POORNACHANDRA. Why? If the Moon > >>> > >>>> >is > > > >> >>>full, it has to be opposite the Sun and hence the Sun in the 7th > >>>since the reckoning is from Chandra lagna for Chandradhiyoga. > >>> > >>>> >Since > > > >> >>>the Sun is a malefic and has joined the yoga (by virtue of being > >>> > >>>> >in > > > >> >>>one of the 3 houses) he makes it a misramayoga. This is > >>> > >>>> >invariably > > > >> >>>the case for all cases of Poornachandra. But as you know when the > >>>Moon is full he empowers the other planets that are capable of > >>>giving yoga. > >>>> >>>After studying at least 12 cases thoroughly I feel that a > >>> > >>>> >Misramadhi > > > >> >>>yoga with Poornachandra is better than Subhadhi yoga with a weak > >>>Moon, though the malefics tell another or a different angle of > >>> > >>>> >story > > > >> >>>(they normally show the obstacles and difficulties faced). It is > >>> > >>>> >a > > > >> >>>basic accepted fact of jyotish that yogas bestowed by other > >>> > >>>> >planets > > > >> >>>too get reduced if the moon is weak.> >>>> >>>> >>>Hope the above helps. > >>>> >>>Regards,> >>>Satya> >>> > >>>> >>>--- In vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar > >>> > >>>> ><boxdel> > > > >> >>>wrote:> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>Dear Dr. Satyaprakashji,> >>>>The reason is self evident. When Mercury and Venus are in > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>alternate > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>rasis( 6th/8th) Sun has to be either in 5th or 9th house, for > >>>> > >>>>> >Adhi > > > >> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>yoga > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>to occur.As I understand, astronomically, Mercury cannot be more > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>than 28 > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>degrees away from Sun(Elongation) and Venus more than 48 degrees > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>and > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>hence Sun does come into picture. So where-ever Mercury is in > >>>> > >>>>> >6th > > > >> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>and > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>Venus in 8th or vice-a-versa, Adhiyoga can not be said to have > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>occurred. > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>Moon has nothing to do with this, and I do not understand why > >>>> > >>>>> >you > > > >> >>>>assumed I was reffering to proximity of Sun to Moon. You might > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>like to > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>illustrate how , as you said . appropriate position of Sun is to > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>be > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>arrived at in the cases under reference.> >>>>Regards,> >>>>Chandrashekhar.> >>>>> >>>>Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote:> >>>>> >>>>Dear Chandrasekhar ji,> >>>>> >>>>Please read below. > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>>While I agree with what you have said, including the fact that > >>>>> > >>>>>> >it > > > >> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>is not > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>>necessary that Adhiyoga is formed for Sagitarius alone, I find > >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>that the > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>>examples given are faulty in that, Mercury can not be 2 Rasis > >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>removed > >>>> > >>>>> >>>>>from Sun as indicated in your examples of 1. Moon in > >>>> > >>>>> >Sagitarius,2 > > > >> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>Moon > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>>in Pisces. Similarly Venus or Mercury can not be more than 3 > >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>Rasis > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>apart > >>>> > >>>>> >>>>>from Sun as in Moon in Libra example given. Correct me if I am > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>wrong.> >>>>> >>>>I wonder why you brought Sun into the picture for the first 2 > >>>>examples of Moon in Sag or Moon in Pisces. > >>>>> >>>>As for the Moon in Libra example, Mercury's position is > >>>> > >>>>> >obviously > > > >> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>a > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>typo because I clearly mentioned Mercury in the 8th but wrote > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>Gemini > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>instead of Taurus. Please read it as Taurus instead of Gemini as > >>>>that is the 8th from libra. This is what I meant and Adhi yoga > >>>>requires that these planets are in the 6th, 7th and 8th. I hope > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>that > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>the mistake is obvious and can be understood easily. > >>>>> >>>>As for the first 2 examples can you explain why Sun has been > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>brought > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>into the picture? The Sun could be anywhere except within 24 > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>degrees > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>of the Moon though it is preferred to be a strong Moon. Even if > >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>you > >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>>are implying that the Moon should be strong, Moon is quite > >>>> > >>>>> >strong > > > >> >>>>easily anywhere over 5 signs away from the Sun upto an > >>>> > >>>>> >opposition > > > >> >>>>(full Moon). And you will find an appropriate position for the > >>>> > >>>>> >Sun > > > >> >>>>for both these positions of Mercury and Venus. > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Regards,> >>>>Satya Prakash> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>>Archives: vedic astrology> >>>> >>>Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> >>>> >>>To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> >>> > >>>> >> > > >> >>>....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> >>>> >>>|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > >>>> >>>Your use of is subject to > >>> > >>>> > > > > >> >>> > >>>> >>> > >>>> >> >> >Archives: vedic astrology> >> >Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> >> >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> >> >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> >> >|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > >> >Your use of is subject to > >> >> > > >Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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