Materialistic Gains in Life

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Namaste Listmembers,

 

Hello Jayashree,

Thankyou for your thoughtful post.

You wrote "Hindu philosophy states not all souls are granted moksha..." I

haven't heard this before. I thought all souls 'eventually' attain moksha.

Would you be so kind as to explain the definitions below as well?

1) Nithya Samsari

2) Nithya Papi

3) Punya Purush

Please excuse my ignorance, these terms and ideas are new to me.

Thanking You,

Ann.

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Dear Ann,

 

What I stated is from a book on Bhagawad Gita by LIFCO press,

prefaced and lectured with translation by 'Keezhathur Srinivasachar'.

 

The preface discusses on Dvaita, Advaita, Visishtadvaita. On Dvaita

(God is different from me) established by Sri Madhvaacharya (this is

the basis of Vaishnavite worship - worship of Sri Vishnu), the book

says,

 

Brahmam: Sriman Narayana is the Brahmam.

 

Jeevan: Someone different from Brahmam. Dwells in the form of

Manushya (man), Cow and Birds, and a lot of miscellaneous others.

Classified into 3 categories:

 

1. Nithya Samsari, 2. Nithya Papi, 3. Mukti Yoga Jeevan (same as

Punya Purush).

 

Moksha: The knowledge on the distinction between i) Jeeva and

Ishwara, ii) Jeeva- Paraspara iii) Jeeva-Jata iv) Jataparaspara, v)

Jata-Ishwara leads to Moksha (I don't know the meanings of these,

sorry , just translating from a book.

 

Moksha is not granted for all jeevans.

 

1. Nithya Samsari: They are full of Rajo and devoid of any Sattwa.

Without even the tiniest amount of Sattwa, there is no chance for

Sattwa to emerge. Hence, they do repeated good/bad deeds, suffer, get

born and die on a repeated cycle forever.

 

2. Nithya Papi: (The ever sinner) : They are full of Tamo guna,

devoid of any Rajo and therefore, total absence of any Sattwa. They

hate god, the Shastras, and the elderly. They always committ sins,

die, get born, die, and always dwell in and like misery/causing

misery.

 

3. Mukti Yoga Jeevans : (those who are destined to attain Moksha):

These souls have Sattwa, which over the course of many, many births,

grows so they get filled with 'Suddha Sattwa' or full of Sattwic

qualities, and finally attain Moksha.

 

In Moksha, based on the soul's ripening, essence, and sincerity, the

happiness will have some differentiation.

 

Though Dvaita, Advaita and Vishistadvaita all seem apparently

different, it is my belief that they are based on whether someone is

suited for Moksha by action (Karma yoga), moksha by

intelligence/knowledge (Jnana yoga) or Moksha by simplicity and faith

(bhakti yoga/devotion).

 

BTW: I'm just a casual reader of Hindu philosophy and don't know deep

philosophy

 

Best regards,

 

Jayashree

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Ann Murphy" <evie@r...>

wrote:

> Namaste Listmembers,

>

> Hello Jayashree,

> Thankyou for your thoughtful post.

> You wrote "Hindu philosophy states not all souls are granted

moksha..." I haven't heard this before. I thought all

souls 'eventually' attain moksha.

> Would you be so kind as to explain the definitions below as well?

> 1) Nithya Samsari

> 2) Nithya Papi

> 3) Punya Purush

> Please excuse my ignorance, these terms and ideas are new to me.

> Thanking You,

> Ann.

[Guest guest]

Namaste Listmembers,

 

Dear Satya,

I hope this message finds you well.

You are a learned and knowledgeable man whose opinion I respect.

If you have the time or inclination I would appreciate your thoughts...

Having a Catholic upringing I am familiar with the concept of eternal

damnation of the soul, however, I would have thought it incongruent with Vishnu

worship.

Do you know the origin of this principle, ie, was it expounded by a Guru of

the Vaishnava lineage?. Also could you define Vishistadvaita, please.

Thanking You,

Om Shanti

Ann.

 

- Jayashree

vedic astrology

Saturday, September 13, 2003 4:59 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Materialistic Gains in Life

Dear Ann,What I stated is from a book on Bhagawad Gita by LIFCO press, prefaced

and lectured with translation by 'Keezhathur Srinivasachar'. The preface

discusses on Dvaita, Advaita, Visishtadvaita. On Dvaita (God is different from

me) established by Sri Madhvaacharya (this is the basis of Vaishnavite worship

- worship of Sri Vishnu), the book says,Brahmam: Sriman Narayana is the

Brahmam.Jeevan: Someone different from Brahmam. Dwells in the form of Manushya

(man), Cow and Birds, and a lot of miscellaneous others. Classified into 3

categories:1. Nithya Samsari, 2. Nithya Papi, 3. Mukti Yoga Jeevan (same as

Punya Purush).Moksha: The knowledge on the distinction between i) Jeeva and

Ishwara, ii) Jeeva- Paraspara iii) Jeeva-Jata iv) Jataparaspara, v)

Jata-Ishwara leads to Moksha (I don't know the meanings of these, sorry ,

just translating from a book.Moksha is not granted for all jeevans.1. Nithya

Samsari: They are full of Rajo and devoid of any Sattwa. Without even the

tiniest amount of Sattwa, there is no chance for Sattwa to emerge. Hence, they

do repeated good/bad deeds, suffer, get born and die on a repeated cycle

forever.2. Nithya Papi: (The ever sinner) : They are full of Tamo guna, devoid

of any Rajo and therefore, total absence of any Sattwa. They hate god, the

Shastras, and the elderly. They always committ sins, die, get born, die, and

always dwell in and like misery/causing misery.3. Mukti Yoga Jeevans : (those

who are destined to attain Moksha): These souls have Sattwa, which over the

course of many, many births, grows so they get filled with 'Suddha Sattwa' or

full of Sattwic qualities, and finally attain Moksha.In Moksha, based on the

soul's ripening, essence, and sincerity, the happiness will have some

differentiation.Though Dvaita, Advaita and Vishistadvaita all seem apparently

different, it is my belief that they are based on whether someone is suited for

Moksha by action (Karma yoga), moksha by intelligence/knowledge (Jnana yoga) or

Moksha by simplicity and faith (bhakti yoga/devotion). BTW: I'm just a casual

reader of Hindu philosophy and don't know deep philosophy :)Best

regards,Jayashreevedic astrology, "Ann Murphy"

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Thankyou for your thoughtful post.> You wrote "Hindu philosophy states

not all souls are granted moksha..." I haven't heard this before. I thought all

souls 'eventually' attain moksha.> Would you be so kind as to explain the

definitions below as well?> 1) Nithya Samsari> 2) Nithya Papi> 3) Punya Purush>

Please excuse my ignorance, these terms and ideas are new to me.> Thanking

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