Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 All points well taken :-). Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti. P.S: Narasimha Rao, on another note which batch of IITM are you from or when did u graduate? You can send me a personal email on this one. Warm Regards. --Sanjay vedic astrology, "vedicastrostudent" <vedicastrostudent> wrote: > Venkat, > Again being a little nitpicky here. You seem to have misinterpreted > me left and right: > 1) Can you point out where exactly I said *I* am well aware of all > the scriptures? I only said I am aware of all the quotations in the > post - since they are literal translations of the verses in the > Bhagavad Gita - available all over the web. > 2) Can you also point out where exactly I said Bhakti Yoga is best > for *me*? I only said that the Bhagavad Gita says that it is the > fastest way to emancipation. Does it not? Not "best" - "best" is > subjective as you have rightly observed. But fastest. > 3) Can you also point out where I said that Karma Yoga is not to be > followed? I only pointed out the Bhakti Yoga is the fastest, > *according to the Bhagavad Gita*. > My own personal opinion, or even *my* interpretation of the Bhagavad > Gita's opinion, on the "right or wrong way" to obtain Moksha is not > there anywhere in the post. Look again, can you find it? You are > arguing about about something you have projected on me, something > that was never said or even intended. > > Even the original poster (Sanjay) has specifically highlighted the > Bhakti Yoga path - not really discredited or discouraged anyone from > any other path, like you seem to have concluded that I have done. I > am still unaware of disagreements, or new facts. Which is why I > originally posted that to me Sanjay's post was merely informational > for a generally well informed bunch. No disrespect or discredit > intended anywhere simply a desire to see better used bandwidth. That > too is only a hopefully not harsh opinion - only Narasimha has the > right to judge. > > Sundeep > > > vedic astrology, "venkatarama_sastry" > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > Sundeep, > > > > Maybe you are well aware of all the scriptures, and maybe there are > > other like you on this group. But I, for one, am not well versed in > > the scriptures, not even in the Bhagawat Gita, although I have read > > it innumerable times. Each time I read it, I am struck by more and > > more wonderous discoveries. As some great personality once said, > the > > scriptures are like the treasures at the bottom of the ocean, and > > each time you dive in, you find more and more of them! > > > > If Bhakti Yoga is the best for you, that is great, so be it. But if > > someone else is more suited for Karma Yoga, then let them do that. > > You will remember that the Geeta was the Lord's upadesh to Arjuna, > > who was the ultimate "action man". For that personality, the best > > means to moksha is Karma, to be more specific, NISHKAAMA Karma, > > i.e. "action without desires". That, again, is the gist of the > > famous verse, "Karmanyeva adhikaarastu". Similarly for many great > > personalities, the path to moksha was Jyaana Yoga. All of these are > > different external manifestations of the same internal phenomenon - > > internal focus on God. > > > > Let us each follow the path that is right for us, instead of > > fighting over what the "best" path is! The definition of "best" > > varied so much from person to person. If we were trying to reach > the > > top of a hill, I might want to drive around in a car, while you > > prefer to walk, while someone else might have a helicopter drop > them > > there. Just my opinion. > > > > Narasimha, this has nothing to do with astrology so my apologies. > We > > will take this discussion offline if you wish. > > > > Thanks, > > Venkat > > > > vedic astrology, "vedicastrostudent" > > <vedicastrostudent> wrote: > > > Sanjay, > > > Sorry to be a bit nitpicky here, but I am struggling to find > your > > > opinion here. I personally am well aware of all the quotations > you > > > have included. I am also well aware that the Bhagavad Gita > > recommends > > > Bhakti Yoga as the fastest path to emancipation. If you find that > > > Bhakti is the path for you, you are simply in agreement with the > > well- > > > known words, and there is really nothing more to say. You are > > simply > > > preaching to the choir again and again - believe me, this group > > has > > > absolutely no dearth of people who are well versed in every > single > > > vedic scripture (original, no translations) under the sun - for > > e.g. > > > you will be absolutely amazed at the depth of vedic knowledge of > a > > 20 > > > year old (guys, is he 20 yet - you know who I am talking about) > > Guru > > > on this group and who is not even Indian, and he isnt the only > non > > > Indian OR young Guru. There needs to be a disagreement or new > > > interpretation to start a discussion, which I would love to watch > > and > > > learn from, since I am mostly an observer. > > > > > > Again, JMHO - just my humble opinion > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > vedic astrology, "sanjaytechnology" > > > <sanjaytechnology> wrote: > > > > In response to all the questions regarding Moksha or salvation. > > > Here > > > > are some brief explanations. > > > > > > > > The Best way to reach God: According to Hindu scriptures the > > best > > > > way to attain salvation is to think of God all the time through > > > > dhyana (contemplation), remembrance and repetition of god's > > name. > > > If > > > > a person trains his mind to remember God all the time, very > > likely > > > > at the time of his death he will be able to concentrate his > > > thoughts > > > > on God and attain Him. Through mastery of their senses and > > minds, > > > > many saints and seers gain complete control on the process of > > > death > > > > and develop an intuitive awareness of when and in what manner > > they > > > > would depart from this world. When the time comes, leaving > > > necessary > > > > instructions to their disciples, they leave their bodies, > > immersed > > > > in a state of samadhi or deep trance. In the Bhagavad gita > > > > Srikrishna declares that at the time death he who concentrates > > his > > > > prana between the two eye brows with the strength of his yoga > > and > > > is > > > > engaged in devotion with an unwavering mind he attains the > > Divine > > > > and transcendental. > > > > > > > > In the eighth chapter named Yoga of Imperishable Brahman in > the > > > > Upanishad of the divine Bhagavad-Gita , the knowledge of the > > > > Absolute, the yogic scripture, and the debate between Arjuna > and > > > > Lord Krishna. (Read Below) > > > > > > > > Yoga of Imperishable Brahman > > > > Said Arjuna, "O Purushottama, what is that Brahman, What is > > > Adhyatma > > > > (inner Self) and what is karma ? What is said to be Adhibhuta > > (the > > > > primeval being ) and what is referred to as Adhidaiva (the > > Supreme > > > > Deity)? > > > > > > > > "O Madhusudhana, who is Adhiyagna (master of sacrifices) in > this > > > > body ? And at the time of the final journey how the > > practitioners > > > of > > > > self-control can realize You?" > > > > > > > > Said Lord Supreme, "Indestructible and beyond all is Brahman. > > Ones > > > > own self is called Adhyatma. The cause behind the creation of > > all > > > > the beings is called karma. > > > > > > > > "Adhibhuta is by nature destructible. The Purusha (the > > Manifested > > > > Supreme Self) is Adhidaiva. And certainly I am Adhiyagna in the > > > > body, O best of the embodied. > > > > > > > > "At the time of death, he who, remembering Me, leaves the body, > > > > attains My State. There is no doubt about this. > > > > > > > > "O Son of Kunti, whatever a person thinks of at the time of > > leaving > > > > his body , he attains that alone remembering it. > > > > > > > > "Therefore all the time keep remembering Me and engage in the > > > > battle. By offering your mind and intelligence to Me, you will > > > > undoubtedly attain Me. > > > > > > > > "Through the practice of Yoga and meditation with the mind not > > > > moving in other directions, one can attain the Supreme > Purusha , > > O > > > > Partha. > > > > > > > > "Always thinking of the Creator, the Ancient, the Ordainer, One > > who > > > > is smaller than the atom, the upholder of all, the unthinkable > > > > (beyond thought), whose form is of the color of Aditya (golden > > > > color), and who is beyond the dark inconscient. > > > > > > > > "At the time of death, with unwavering mind, engaged in > > devotion, > > > by > > > > the strength of Yoga, establishing the prana (breath) > completely > > > > between the two eye brows, he attains the Divine and > > transcendental > > > > Personality of Brahman. > > > > > > > > "Now I will explain to you briefly that word which the knowers > > of > > > > Vedas call "the Word", which the great sages desire to attain > by > > > > practicing celibacy and renouncing all passions. > > > > > > > > "Controlling all the openings of the body, with the mind > > > established > > > > in the heart, fixing the prana in the self at the top of the > > head > > > > establishing oneself in the Yoga. > > > > > > > > "Uttering the monosyllable AUM, which is Brahman, who leaves > the > > > > body remembering Me, he achieves the highest goal. > > > > > > > > "To the constantly busy devotee who remembers Me without > > engaging > > > > his mind elsewhere , to him I am very easily attainable, O > > Partha. > > > > > > > > "On attaining Me, the great souls are no more subjected to > > rebirth, > > > > suffering and transience, for they have attained the highest > > > > perfection. > > > > > > > > "Arjuna, all worlds up to Brahma loka are subject to rebirth. > > But O > > > > Kaunteya, on reaching Me there is no rebirth. > > > > > > > > "Those who know that the day of Brahman consists of thousands > of > > > > Yugas and similarly His nights also, are the knowers of day and > > > > night. > > > > > > > > "From the unmanifest are manifested all the beings at the > > beginning > > > > of the day and are dissolved again into the unmanifest upon the > > > > arrival of the night. > > > > > > > > "All the living entities O Partha, after taking birth again and > > > > again, are automatically dissolved as the night arrives and are > > > > manifested again upon the arrival of the day. > > > > > > > > "But beyond the state of unmanifest there is yet another state > > of > > > > unmanifest which is eternal and which can never be annihilated > > even > > > > when all entities are annihilated > > > > > > > > "It is declared as the unmanifest and undiminishing, which is > > also > > > > known as the ultimate goal by attaining which one) never > > returns. > > > > That is My Supreme Abode. > > > > > > > > "O Partha, that Supreme Being in whom are situated all the > > elements > > > > and by whom all this is pervaded can be attained only through > > > bhakti > > > > (devotion). > > > > > > > > "O eminent among the Bharatas, now I will explain to you the > > time > > > > when the Yogis depart but never to return, and also the time > > when > > > > they depart but come back again. > > > > > > > > "Fire, light, day time, the waxing period of the moon, > > uttarayanam > > > > (the summer solstice) - those who depart then, knowers of > > Brahman, > > > > go to the Absolute straight away. > > > > > > > > "Smoke, night, the waning period of the moon, the winter > > solstice, > > > > those passing away during these attain the moon and return. > > > > > > > > "The light and darkness are the two permanent modes of > departing > > > > from this material world. By the former a man goes never to > > return > > > > and by the latter he goes only to come back. > > > > > > > > "The Yogi who knows these two paths is not deluded. Therefore O > > > > Arjuna, establish yourself in the Yoga all the time. > > > > > > > > "Knowing thus, the Yogi goes beyond the rewards attained by the > > > > study of the Vedas, performance of sacrifices, austerities, > > > > charitable works and attains the Supreme Abode. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Shanti Shanti Shanti. > > > > > > > > --Sanjay Aggarwal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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