Re : Adhana Lagna Quiz Answer-Part-I-----> Dhira Ji

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Namaste Dhira Ji,

 

Thanks for the reply and mentioning that I am very close

to the answer.

 

As per your suggestion, I would like to attempt to time

the birth, using Ista Kala, so if I am not able to reply

my answer by Sunday, then you please post your reply to

the list with full analysis, so that we all can understand

and learn for that.

 

Hari: Very good to know, that you got the "Twins" part, it

did not strike to my mind at all. Everyday is a learning here,

I like that.

 

Regards

Raghunadha Rao

 

 

vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> Dear Rao,

>

> Hare Rama Krsna!

>

> >A. I think we can always derive the above by subtracting 12

> >from till you get less or equal to 12.

>

> Yes, but when do you know if it should be 6 or 18 e.g.?

>

> I'll give the answer soon. Just now I got a reply of Hari as well,

and he

> got some interesting observations. Yes, my dear Hari, it is a

twins!!! You

> could also see that by lagna lord Mars in 3rd house of adhana

chakra.

>

> Rao, let's just say for now you are close. How would you determine

the

> exact time and whether it would be day or night birth? Think about

Ista

> Kala.

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com

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Dear Dhira-krsna prabhu,

 

Thank you for your feedback. As I admitted, I don't know much

and only know what Santhanam gave. I don't know which of those

principles work and which don't.

 

> Rao, let's just say for now you are close. How would you determine

the

> exact time and whether it would be day or night birth? Think about

Ista

> Kala.

 

Santhanam mentioned a principle that equated the fraction of

the day or night that is over at birth with the fraction of

the rising sign traversed in the conception chart. Are you

referring to that principle by hinting at ishta kala? Does

that principle always work?

 

According to his principle, it should be in the night in

your case. I don't have the charts in front of me at work,

but I remember that lagna in conception chart was in the 9th

degree and sunset must be around 3-4 pm. So it should be

around 8-9 pm.

 

Or, are you referring to another principle?

 

Are there any interesting writings on this on this list or

Varahamihira? Can you please give the links? Sarajit sent a

nice write-up to me sometime back, but I lost it.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

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||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Dhira Krishna (and Raghunadha, Narasimha & Sarajit),

 

Thanks for your comments. Now my inferences from your statements and

corresponding questions:

 

(1)Jaimini sutras have a very deep meaning; yes, lagna lord in 3rd

further supports the possibility of twins. Is the dual sign of Ge

important here (8th house)?

 

(2) Why close to December 21? Does it mean that the dwadasamsa

method of estimating the natal Moon is not always valid? Or that

natal Moon is not always in kendra to conception Moon? Was the

sodhya rasi calculation/inference correct?

 

(3)What is the sex of the twins? General dictum is that boys take a

longer time for delivery. If they are twin girls, does it mean that

the 15 day dictum should be modified (to say 20 days?)

 

(4)Without a shred of doubt, it should be nighttime birth otherwise

the sutra fails. I dont have JHora right now, but the birth should

be anytime after Moon enters Sg.

 

(5)Istakaala: Sarajit, are you reading this discussion? Wake up from

your work-induced astrology slumber and send us some pointers fast!!

Did Sanjay teach how to calculate the birth time from lagna degrees?

Send that fast before Dhira Krishna comes out with the answer!

 

regards

Hari

vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> Dear Rao,

>

> Hare Rama Krsna!

>

> >A. I think we can always derive the above by subtracting 12

> >from till you get less or equal to 12.

>

> Yes, but when do you know if it should be 6 or 18 e.g.?

>

> I'll give the answer soon. Just now I got a reply of Hari as well,

and he

> got some interesting observations. Yes, my dear Hari, it is a

twins!!! You

> could also see that by lagna lord Mars in 3rd house of adhana

chakra.

>

> Rao, let's just say for now you are close. How would you determine

the

> exact time and whether it would be day or night birth? Think about

Ista

> Kala.

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com

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||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Dhira Krishna,

 

I made a small mistake in the date calculations because I forgot to

take into account the extra day in some months. Thus, instead of

getting Jan 17, I should be getting Jan 12, 2004. Subtracting 15

days from this, the approximate date should be Dec 29, 2003.

 

Not that this changes anything because you imply that the birth took

place on the night/morning of Dec 21/22. Nevertheless, I have given

this as a possibility also and now it remains to be seen how the

time of birth can be pinned down.

 

You also imply that the lunar month and tithi can be calculated

(using istakaala principles?). It would be interesting to see

Sarajit's comments and then your final analysis. Although I cannot

offer any strong astrological grounds, I think that it is a perfect

twin (same sex formed out of one fertilized egg divided into two)

rather than a mixed twin (girl & boy formed out of two fertilized

eggs). What is your observation in this regard?

 

||Hare Rama Krishna|| & ||Jaya Jagannath||

 

regards

Hari

 

regards

Hari

vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> Dear Rao,

>

> Hare Rama Krsna!

>

> >A. I think we can always derive the above by subtracting 12

> >from till you get less or equal to 12.

>

> Yes, but when do you know if it should be 6 or 18 e.g.?

>

> I'll give the answer soon. Just now I got a reply of Hari as well,

and he

> got some interesting observations. Yes, my dear Hari, it is a

twins!!! You

> could also see that by lagna lord Mars in 3rd house of adhana

chakra.

>

> Rao, let's just say for now you are close. How would you determine

the

> exact time and whether it would be day or night birth? Think about

Ista

> Kala.

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com

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Dear Hari,

 

Hare Rama Krsna!

 

>Subtracting 15 days from this, the approximate date should be Dec 29,

>2003.

 

Why are you subtracting 15 days from 273? This is a Western astrology

method, as described also in Brhat Jataka, called the rule of Hermes. I

have found it inaccurate in its calculation, except for the fact that it

may be more or less than 273 days whether Moon is waxing or waning and

visible or invisible and so.

 

Here in this example it's not correct, since Rao Nemani has guessed it

correct, though I'm amazed at how he arrived at it. It was indeed Dec

21st. Now I'm going to see whether he has day or night correct also and if

the time of birth will be correct.

 

>You also imply that the lunar month and tithi can be calculated

>(using istakaala principles?).

 

No, I didn't. I only implied that birthtime can be calculated from Ista

kala. Sanjay Rath describes this also in his Jaimini Upadesa Sutras, as

well as Mr. Santhanam in his BPHS.

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotishi

http://www.radhadesh.com

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Hare Rama Krishna,

 

Namaste Dhira Ji,

 

Thanks for the note and I could not answer the remaining

part of the Quiz, as I could not get the references for

the "Ista Kaala" method/calculation in the Jaimini Upadesa

Sutram as suggested by you.

 

If some one can tell me the page reference, then I will

surely attempt the last part, otherwise, I would request

you to please publish the answer with detailed analysis.

 

Regards

Raghunadha Rao

 

 

vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> Dear Hari,

>

> Hare Rama Krsna!

>

> >Subtracting 15 days from this, the approximate date should be Dec

29,

> >2003.

>

> Why are you subtracting 15 days from 273? This is a Western

astrology

> method, as described also in Brhat Jataka, called the rule of

Hermes. I

> have found it inaccurate in its calculation, except for the fact

that it

> may be more or less than 273 days whether Moon is waxing or waning

and

> visible or invisible and so.

>

> Here in this example it's not correct, since Rao Nemani has guessed

it

> correct, though I'm amazed at how he arrived at it. It was indeed

Dec

> 21st. Now I'm going to see whether he has day or night correct also

and if

> the time of birth will be correct.

>

> >You also imply that the lunar month and tithi can be calculated

> >(using istakaala principles?).

>

> No, I didn't. I only implied that birthtime can be calculated from

Ista

> kala. Sanjay Rath describes this also in his Jaimini Upadesa

Sutras, as

> well as Mr. Santhanam in his BPHS.

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com

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Dear Narasimha,

 

>According to his principle, it should be in the night in

>your case.

 

Even the case Santhanam quoted, which was a real life case as he

mentioned, the reversing of lagna being pristhodaya doesn't work. He

mentions then also it may be a sirshodaya sign in lagna at birth. Doesn't

work either, in the case put here for the Quiz it's a sirshodaya sign in

lagna, and the lagna is sirshodaya at birth as well. Night yes, but in the

case he quoted, lagna was Capricorn and the birth wasn't at day time...

 

So let's come out with the answer. I'll probably receive Rao Nemani's

analysis when I send this, because he said he would do on Sunday. The

birth was on Dec.21st at 20:45 and 20:47. It was a caesarean birth, and

two healthy twin girls were born. The only defect as suggested by RaoN.

(Rahu in 7th house) was a small bleeding in the brain, however stopped

immediately and there is no danger to their health.

 

>Are there any interesting writings on this on this list or

>Varahamihira? Can you please give the links?

 

I remember having given another case study before, it was on Varahamihira.

Let's see if I can still find it. Talking of Varahamihira, the Brhat

Jataka has a nice description of finding the time of birth from adhana

lagna. He mentions there the principle of taking Navamsa degrees as the

Ista kala, that's what I referred to. However, Sanjay Rath had taken the

full rasi degrees as the method for calculating this. I also had rectified

the time of adhana according to that, since as you know, exact timing is

difficult to get. The couple told me it was around midnight, just before

midnight. Yet I believe the Navamsa method is more correct, giving the

birth in day or night time, so it may still need a small correction.

 

I'll write tomorrow on a few techniques and with my full analysis.

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotishi

http://www.radhadesh.com

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Hare Rama Krishna

 

Namaste Dhira Ji,

 

I am sorry, I could not spend any time today on the Adhana

Lagna exercise as I was busy on directing a play/drama to

raise some funds for temple construction in our city.

 

So, May I request you to please provide a complete analysis

so that we all can understand the entire process.

 

If possible, please write the procedure to find the time of

birth from adhana lagna from Brhat Jataka, which I was planning

to do earlier.

 

Regards

Raghunadha Rao

 

vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> >According to his principle, it should be in the night in

> >your case.

>

> Even the case Santhanam quoted, which was a real life case as he

> mentioned, the reversing of lagna being pristhodaya doesn't work. He

> mentions then also it may be a sirshodaya sign in lagna at birth.

Doesn't

> work either, in the case put here for the Quiz it's a sirshodaya

sign in

> lagna, and the lagna is sirshodaya at birth as well. Night yes, but

in the

> case he quoted, lagna was Capricorn and the birth wasn't at day

time...

>

> So let's come out with the answer. I'll probably receive Rao

Nemani's

> analysis when I send this, because he said he would do on Sunday.

The

> birth was on Dec.21st at 20:45 and 20:47. It was a caesarean birth,

and

> two healthy twin girls were born. The only defect as suggested by

RaoN.

> (Rahu in 7th house) was a small bleeding in the brain, however

stopped

> immediately and there is no danger to their health.

>

> >Are there any interesting writings on this on this list or

> >Varahamihira? Can you please give the links?

>

> I remember having given another case study before, it was on

Varahamihira.

> Let's see if I can still find it. Talking of Varahamihira, the Brhat

> Jataka has a nice description of finding the time of birth from

adhana

> lagna. He mentions there the principle of taking Navamsa degrees as

the

> Ista kala, that's what I referred to. However, Sanjay Rath had

taken the

> full rasi degrees as the method for calculating this. I also had

rectified

> the time of adhana according to that, since as you know, exact

timing is

> difficult to get. The couple told me it was around midnight, just

before

> midnight. Yet I believe the Navamsa method is more correct, giving

the

> birth in day or night time, so it may still need a small correction.

>

> I'll write tomorrow on a few techniques and with my full analysis.

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com

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||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

 

Dear Dhira Krishna,

 

Many thanks for posting the quiz which, I am sure, has been a huge

learning curve for Narasimha, Ramanarayanan, Raghunadha and of

course, you & me.

 

So it is twin girls! That is an abject lesson for me since I was

vacillating on this topic with my intuition telling me strongly that

it should be perfect twin but my logic posing all kinds of

arguments. In retrospect, I should have stood my ground on the basis

of Moon in an even and dual sign! Time of birth is also interesting.

 

Looking forward to your summary of the various attempts and your own

analysis. Many more questions after that...

 

regards

Hari

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

<Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> >According to his principle, it should be in the night in

> >your case.

>

> Even the case Santhanam quoted, which was a real life case as he

> mentioned, the reversing of lagna being pristhodaya doesn't work.

He

> mentions then also it may be a sirshodaya sign in lagna at birth.

Doesn't

> work either, in the case put here for the Quiz it's a sirshodaya

sign in

> lagna, and the lagna is sirshodaya at birth as well. Night yes,

but in the

> case he quoted, lagna was Capricorn and the birth wasn't at day

time...

>

> So let's come out with the answer. I'll probably receive Rao

Nemani's

> analysis when I send this, because he said he would do on Sunday.

The

> birth was on Dec.21st at 20:45 and 20:47. It was a caesarean

birth, and

> two healthy twin girls were born. The only defect as suggested by

RaoN.

> (Rahu in 7th house) was a small bleeding in the brain, however

stopped

> immediately and there is no danger to their health.

>

> >Are there any interesting writings on this on this list or

> >Varahamihira? Can you please give the links?

>

> I remember having given another case study before, it was on

Varahamihira.

> Let's see if I can still find it. Talking of Varahamihira, the

Brhat

> Jataka has a nice description of finding the time of birth from

adhana

> lagna. He mentions there the principle of taking Navamsa degrees

as the

> Ista kala, that's what I referred to. However, Sanjay Rath had

taken the

> full rasi degrees as the method for calculating this. I also had

rectified

> the time of adhana according to that, since as you know, exact

timing is

> difficult to get. The couple told me it was around midnight, just

before

> midnight. Yet I believe the Navamsa method is more correct, giving

the

> birth in day or night time, so it may still need a small

correction.

>

> I'll write tomorrow on a few techniques and with my full analysis.

>

> Yours,

> Dhira Krsna dasa,

> Jyotishi

> http://www.radhadesh.com

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AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Dhira,

Thank you for the quiz. It was indeed a learning experience. i did not believe

in the flash to retain the same distance between Adhana lagna and Adhana Sun

in the birth chart also. i extended the principle of fixing the nocturnal sign

if the adhana lagna was in dirunal sign to fixing daytime as the birth period

to night time copulation.

i did not look into the saptamsa chart. In saptamsa chart i find Rahu in

debilitation. This maybe the reason for the feminine aspect of birth.

i am eagerly awaiting for the full length analysis from you. By the way can you

also tell me the sloka from Brihat jataka relating to ishta kaal principles. If

by any chance you had hinted at Varahamihira groups i do not have access to it.

(hoping for Narasimha's kindness in this regard).

Best wishes.

Astrologically yours,

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