Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 In predictive astrology, nakshatra pada contains great importance specially as per nadi jyotish. Last week one of my friend clued a rule of prediction during debate with the help of 108 padas. But there is some ambiguity. Even I dont know the source of this rule. So please share your knowledge. This says: Divide the entire 360* zodiac into 108 pada (each of 3* 20' span) and find at which pada a planet is occupied. The "pada number" obtained gives the "age" when one will experience effect of that planet according to its natural indications and strength/weakness of navamsha. e.g. if Sun is at 33rd pada, then its means fame, promotion or profit from government during the age of 33. Rahu at 12th pada means disease or loss at the age of 12, and so on. Now the is question is that, What should be the initial(reference) point for this pada computaion, whether 1) from first pada of Ashvini nakshatra? 2) from pada of Janm(natal Moon) Nakshatra? 3) from pada of Lagna Nakshatra? This is important also, because the full ayu is often taken as 108 years, having three phases (36+36+36=108). We 'generally' see only first first two phases i.e. live more or less upto 72 years. Hence if majority of good or strong planets falls in the last five signs (72 to 108 padas) from either Ashivini, Janma Nakshatra or Lagna Nakshatra then one can't experience auspicious years. And hence this criteria does not remain uniform, and we need to treat it like tri-bhagi variation. That is if a planet is resided at 75th pada then its effect will manifest at 75 and trine of 75, or say at the age of 3rd, 39th and 75th years of age. Regards M.IMRAN Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Dear Imran bhai, This sounds like a variation of progressions. It looks like navamsa based progression. Try Sun's nakshatra pada as the reference, instead of lagna or Moon. But it may not work consistently with any reference. It will show only events that are connected with dharma, luck and opportunity. You can also try Sun's dasamsa as the reference and count dasamsas instead of navamsas. This will show all activities. This covers 120 years instead of 108 years, which is the real paramayush of human beings in Kali yuga. This relates to 3 deg per year progression of Sun. The results can be given by special points too and not just by planets. Take AB Vajpayee for example. His birthdata is: 25 December 1926, 5:10 am (IST), 78e10, 26n13. [A leading astrologer made a lot of fuss on another list about getting accurate birthdata and not trusting books and magazines. In the same breath, he accused astrologers who use this birthdata which is different from the one given in official biography. He cautions us against trusting books and yet accuses us of not trusting the official biography. So ironical! Well, it is believed that they changed the birth year from 1926 to 1924 to put him in school early. Don't believe the official birth year.] Sun is in the 10th degree of Sg, i.e. 4th dasamsa of Sg. Ghatika Lagna (GL), which stands for power and authority, is in the 14th degree of Cancer, i.e. the 5th dasamsa of Cn. Counting from Sun's dasamsa, GL is in the 7+(6x10)+5=72nd dasamsa. Thus his 72nd year activated GL fully! His 72nd year ran from Dec 1997 to Dec 1998. It was exactly during this year - in the spring of 1998 - that he became India's Prime Minister! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear List, > > In predictive astrology, nakshatra pada contains great importance specially as per nadi jyotish. Last week one of my friend clued a rule of prediction during debate with the help of 108 padas. But there is some ambiguity. Even I dont know the source of this rule. So please share your knowledge. This says:> > Divide the entire 360* zodiac into 108 pada (each of 3* 20' span) and find at which pada a planet is occupied. The "pada number" obtained gives the "age" when one will experience effect of that planet according to its natural indications and strength/weakness of navamsha.> e.g. if Sun is at 33rd pada, then its means fame, promotion or profit from government during the age of 33. Rahu at 12th pada means disease or loss at the age of 12, and so on.> > Now the is question is that, What should be the initial(reference) point for this pada computaion, whether> 1) from first pada of Ashvini nakshatra?> 2) from pada of Janm(natal Moon) Nakshatra?> 3) from pada of Lagna Nakshatra?> > This is important also, because the full ayu is often taken as 108 years, having three phases (36+36+36=108). We 'generally' see only first first two phases i.e. live more or less upto 72 years. Hence if majority of good or strong planets falls in the last five signs (72 to 108 padas) from either Ashivini, Janma Nakshatra or Lagna Nakshatra then one can't experience auspicious years. And hence this criteria does not remain uniform, and we need to treat it like tri-bhagi variation. That is if a planet is resided at 75th pada then its effect will manifest at 75 and trine of 75, or say at the age of 3rd, 39th and 75th years of age.> > Regards> M.IMRAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 >Thus his 72nd year activated GL fully! Dear Narasimha, Do you have any experience with Su progression till SL (Sri Lagna) ? Thanks, Denis1008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Thanks for reply. The Sun's D-10 based progression often proves true, but it focuses social and worldly activiteis(karma). And may also helpful in mundane (nation's) chart forecasting if studied along with annual solar return chart. Moon or Lagna based 108 pada criteria reveal opportunity, marriage, luck and belief. That may be connected to Vimshottari. I have carried out this rule on few charts, and found sometime it gives very correct result but sometimes not. Obviously ceteris-paribus does not exist in reality, and life events are the results of many other factors(dasas, gochar etc). As an example here's chart of Sanjay Rath. Since Lagna is powerful than Moon, so Lagna's nakshatra pada "U.Bhadrapad-4" is taken as starting point and pada numbers are computed for grahas special lagnas and given in coloumn 4 of table below. Coloumn 5 has the year coressponding to nakshatra-pada number, and colmoumn 6 gives trine years w.r.t. lagna's nakshatra pada. For Sanjay Rath, year 1995-96 comes under GL, 1998-99 year has Lagn Pisces, 1999-00 year has Venus & SL & HL, 2001-02 year has Sun, and previous 2002-03 has Jupiter. I dont know much about his life events, but I think durning last few years he gained much name and fame for his lectures, books and conferences. (Pada number and coressponding years are calculated manually so check it, if there is any mistake) Graha Positions Rasi Pada No. Pada based Trine Years (U.Bahdra-4) Years from Lagna Pada Asc 14:02:41 Pis 1 1963-64 1998-99, 2034-35 Sun 21:04:10 Can 39 2001-02 1965-66, 2037-38 Mon 19:58:51 Aqu 101 2063-64 1991-92, 2027-28 Mar 13:40:30 Vir 55 2017-18 1981-82, 2053-54 Mer 13:22:37 Leo 46 2008-09 1972-73, 2044-45 Jup 26:07:54 Pis 4 1966-67 2002-03, 2038-39 Ven 14:55:17 Can 37 1999-00 1963-64, 2035-36 Sat-R 26:49:53 Cap 95 2057-58 1985-86, 2021-22 Rah 25:45:40 Gem 31 1993-94 2029-30, 2065-66 Ket 25:45:40 Sag 85 2047-48 1975-76, 2011-12 HL 13:58:02 Sco 73 2035-36 1963-64, 1999-00 GL 3:18:48 Sco 69 2031-32 1995-96, 2067-68 SL 13:31:41 Pis 1 1963-64 1999-00, 2035-36 Regards M.IMRAN Dear Imran bhai, This sounds like a variation of progressions. It looks like navamsa based progression. Try Sun's nakshatra pada as the reference, instead of lagna or Moon. But it may not work consistently with any reference. It will show only events that are connected with dharma, luck and opportunity. You can also try Sun's dasamsa as the reference and count dasamsas instead of navamsas. This will show all activities. This covers 120 years instead of 108 years, which is the real paramayush of human beings in Kali yuga. This relates to 3 deg per year progression of Sun. The results can be given by special points too and not just by planets. Take AB Vajpayee for example. His birthdata is: 25 December 1926, 5:10 am (IST), 78e10, 26n13. [A leading astrologer made a lot of fuss on another list about getting accurate birthdata and not trusting books and magazines. In the same breath, he accused astrologers who use this birthdata which is different from the one given in official biography. He cautions us against trusting books and yet accuses us of not trusting the official biography. So ironical! Well, it is believed that they changed the birth year from 1926 to 1924 to put him in school early. Don't believe the official birth year.] Sun is in the 10th degree of Sg, i.e. 4th dasamsa of Sg. Ghatika Lagna (GL), which stands for power and authority, is in the 14th degree of Cancer, i.e. the 5th dasamsa of Cn. Counting from Sun's dasamsa, GL is in the 7+(6x10)+5=72nd dasamsa. Thus his 72nd year activated GL fully! His 72nd year ran from Dec 1997 to Dec 1998. It was exactly during this year - in the spring of 1998 - that he became India's Prime Minister! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear List, > > In predictive astrology, nakshatra pada contains great importance specially as per nadi jyotish. Last week one of my friend clued a rule of prediction during debate with the help of 108 padas. But there is some ambiguity. Even I dont know the source of this rule. So please share your knowledge. This says:> > Divide the entire 360* zodiac into 108 pada (each of 3* 20' span) and find at which pada a planet is occupied. The "pada number" obtained gives the "age" when one will experience effect of that planet according to its natural indications and strength/weakness of navamsha.> e.g. if Sun is at 33rd pada, then its means fame, promotion or profit from government during the age of 33. Rahu at 12th pada means disease or loss at the age of 12, and so on.> > Now the is question is that, What should be the initial(reference) point for this pada computaion, whether> 1) from first pada of Ashvini nakshatra?> 2) from pada of Janm(natal Moon) Nakshatra?> 3) from pada of Lagna Nakshatra?> > This is important also, because the full ayu is often taken as 108 years, having three phases (36+36+36=108). We 'generally' see only first first two phases i.e. live more or less upto 72 years. Hence if majority of good or strong planets falls in the last five signs (72 to 108 padas) from either Ashivini, Janma Nakshatra or Lagna Nakshatra then one can't experience auspicious years. And hence this criteria does not remain uniform, and we need to treat it like tri-bhagi variation. That is if a planet is resided at 75th pada then its effect will manifest at 75 and trine of 75, or say at the age of 3rd, 39th and 75th years of age.> > Regards> M.IMRAN Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Dear Muhammad, This method makes lots of sense to me- My basic question would be about reading material on this, but it seems that you don't have that information? Please let us know if you do. Also, I see in your example you mention sign, but based on the basic premise, I assume you meant Naksatra within the sign, where particular planet/special lagna is triggered? You also said that this method 'may be connected to Vimsottari'- do you mean for 'confirmation' of what is indicated by Naksatras progression, or as a part of method itself- would you please expand on this? Also, if first /more likely?/ scenario is in stake here, what happens if Vimsottari doesn't 'support' nak. progression- in terms of its predictive value? Is that what 'inconsistent results' you mentioned, are related to? Seems very appealing and elegant method. Thank you for sharing. Best regards, AnnaPS:as for starting point- you've already answered that- the stronger of Lagna/Moon- you didn't go to the stenght of Naksatra Lord- may that be second source of strength?/Muhammad Imran <astroimran > wrote: Dear Narasimharo and Members, Thanks for reply. The Sun's D-10 based progression often proves true, but it focuses social and worldly activiteis(karma). And may also helpful in mundane (nation's) chart forecasting if studied along with annual solar return chart. Moon or Lagna based 108 pada criteria reveal opportunity, marriage, luck and belief. That may be connected to Vimshottari. I have carried out this rule on few charts, and found sometime it gives very correct result but sometimes not. Obviously ceteris-paribus does not exist in reality, and life events are the results of many other factors(dasas, gochar etc). As an example here's chart of Sanjay Rath. Since Lagna is powerful than Moon, so Lagna's nakshatra pada "U.Bhadrapad-4" is taken as starting point and pada numbers are computed for grahas special lagnas and given in coloumn 4 of table below. Coloumn 5 has the year coressponding to nakshatra-pada number, and colmoumn 6 gives trine years w.r.t. lagna's nakshatra pada. For Sanjay Rath, year 1995-96 comes under GL, 1998-99 year has Lagn Pisces, 1999-00 year has Venus & SL & HL, 2001-02 year has Sun, and previous 2002-03 has Jupiter. I dont know much about his life events, but I think durning last few years he gained much name and fame for his lectures, books and conferences. (Pada number and coressponding years are calculated manually so check it, if there is any mistake) Graha Positions Rasi Pada No. Pada based Trine Years (U.Bahdra-4) Years from Lagna Pada Asc 14:02:41 Pis 1 1963-64 1998-99, 2034-35 Sun 21:04:10 Can 39 2001-02 1965-66, 2037-38 Mon 19:58:51 Aqu 101 2063-64 1991-92, 2027-28 Mar 13:40:30 Vir 55 2017-18 1981-82, 2053-54 Mer 13:22:37 Leo 46 2008-09 1972-73, 2044-45 Jup 26:07:54 Pis 4 1966-67 2002-03, 2038-39 Ven 14:55:17 Can 37 1999-00 1963-64, 2035-36 Sat-R 26:49:53 Cap 95 2057-58 1985-86, 2021-22 Rah 25:45:40 Gem 31 1993-94 2029-30, 2065-66 Ket 25:45:40 Sag 85 2047-48 1975-76, 2011-12 HL 13:58:02 Sco 73 2035-36 1963-64, 1999-00 GL 3:18:48 Sco 69 2031-32 1995-96, 2067-68 SL 13:31:41 Pis 1 1963-64 1999-00, 2035-36 Regards M.IMRAN Dear Imran bhai, This sounds like a variation of progressions. It looks like navamsa based progression. Try Sun's nakshatra pada as the reference, instead of lagna or Moon. But it may not work consistently with any reference. It will show only events that are connected with dharma, luck and opportunity. You can also try Sun's dasamsa as the reference and count dasamsas instead of navamsas. This will show all activities. This covers 120 years instead of 108 years, which is the real paramayush of human beings in Kali yuga. This relates to 3 deg per year progression of Sun. The results can be given by special points too and not just by planets. Take AB Vajpayee for example. His birthdata is: 25 December 1926, 5:10 am (IST), 78e10, 26n13. [A leading astrologer made a lot of fuss on another list about getting accurate birthdata and not trusting books and magazines. In the same breath, he accused astrologers who use this birthdata which is different from the one given in official biography. He cautions us against trusting books and yet accuses us of not trusting the official biography. So ironical! Well, it is believed that they changed the birth year from 1926 to 1924 to put him in school early. Don't believe the official birth year.] Sun is in the 10th degree of Sg, i.e. 4th dasamsa of Sg. Ghatika Lagna (GL), which stands for power and authority, is in the 14th degree of Cancer, i.e. the 5th dasamsa of Cn. Counting from Sun's dasamsa, GL is in the 7+(6x10)+5=72nd dasamsa. Thus his 72nd year activated GL fully! His 72nd year ran from Dec 1997 to Dec 1998. It was exactly during this year - in the spring of 1998 - that he became India's Prime Minister! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear List, > > In predictive astrology, nakshatra pada contains great importance specially as per nadi jyotish. Last week one of my friend clued a rule of prediction during debate with the help of 108 padas. But there is some ambiguity. Even I dont know the source of this rule. So please share your knowledge. This says:> > Divide the entire 360* zodiac into 108 pada (each of 3* 20' span) and find at which pada a planet is occupied. The "pada number" obtained gives the "age" when one will experience effect of that planet according to its natural indications and strength/weakness of navamsha.> e.g. if Sun is at 33rd pada, then its means fame, promotion or profit from government during the age of 33. Rahu at 12th pada means disease or loss at the age of 12, and so on.> > Now the is question is that, What should be the initial(reference) point for this pada computaion, whether> 1) from first pada of Ashvini nakshatra?> 2) from pada of Janm(natal Moon) Nakshatra?> 3) from pada of Lagna Nakshatra?> > This is important also, because the full ayu is often taken as 108 years, having three phases (36+36+36=108). We 'generally' see only first first two phases i.e. live more or less upto 72 years. Hence if majority of good or strong planets falls in the last five signs (72 to 108 padas) from either Ashivini, Janma Nakshatra or Lagna Nakshatra then one can't experience auspicious years. And hence this criteria does not remain uniform, and we need to treat it like tri-bhagi variation. That is if a planet is resided at 75th pada then its effect will manifest at 75 and trine of 75, or say at the age of 3rd, 39th and 75th years of age.> > Regards> M.IMRAN Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Dear Anna, As I mentioned earlier that this method is a hypothesized approach based on 108 nakshatra padas. Therefore we can just speculate about the results, with the help of available planetary indications and effects. Now as far as its computation is concern, obviously nakshatra pada is considered but in the case of Sanjay Rath example I just gave sign-poisition alongwith padas. But firstly we have to find nakshatra-pada of natal Moon OR Lagna(whichever is stronger), note this pada and label it "1". Then start counting padas ( 3*20' ) for all grahas with respect to earlier noted pada number "1". For creating uniformity we take trine of each pada, by taking +/- 36 or +/- 72 from each pada. For example if the Sun is resided in pada number "39" from noted pada number "1", then we can find its trine as 39-36=3 and 39+36=75. Hence we found year 3, 39, and 75 related to the Sun which is resided into 39th pada from "1". And draw the result on the basis of Sun's natural significance, sign lorship and its navamsha strength/weakness. Now as I told vimshottari may connected to this, it just meaned we have to test practically, an adequate vimshottari variation to stregthen its forecasting capacity before approaching any concrete results. Which seems a scientific method, i.e. not to accept any hypothesis untill it is not proved ture on different enviornment and time. Hence I didn't emphasize on the probability of its validation and remarked first to check and then make any inference. Indeed there are numerous variation and prediction techniques through Vimshottari. You have also enquired, why did I not go to the nakshatra strength criterian, before finalizing which nakshtra-pada should be used as starting point. Yes I fully agree to this, starting nakshatra-pada choosing criteria must include all relative strength tests between lagna and moon nakshatra's lords. Thanks and Regards M.IMRAN 108ar <bona_mente > wrote: Dear Muhammad, This method makes lots of sense to me- My basic question would be about reading material on this, but it seems that you don't have that information? Please let us know if you do. Also, I see in your example you mention sign, but based on the basic premise, I assume you meant Naksatra within the sign, where particular planet/special lagna is triggered? You also said that this method 'may be connected to Vimsottari'- do you mean for 'confirmation' of what is indicated by Naksatras progression, or as a part of method itself- would you please expand on this? Also, if first /more likely?/ scenario is in stake here, what happens if Vimsottari doesn't 'support' nak. progression- in terms of its predictive value? Is that what 'inconsistent results' you mentioned, are related to? Seems very appealing and elegant method. Thank you for sharing. Best regards, AnnaMuhammad Imran <astroimran > wrote: Dear Narasimharo and Members, Thanks for reply. The Sun's D-10 based progression often proves true, but it focuses social and worldly activiteis(karma). And may also helpful in mundane (nation's) chart forecasting if studied along with annual solar return chart. Moon or Lagna based 108 pada criteria reveal opportunity, marriage, luck and belief. That may be connected to Vimshottari. I have carried out this rule on few charts, and found sometime it gives very correct result but sometimes not. Obviously ceteris-paribus does not exist in reality, and life events are the results of many other factors(dasas, gochar etc). As an example here's chart of Sanjay Rath. Since Lagna is powerful than Moon, so Lagna's nakshatra pada "U.Bhadrapad-4" is taken as starting point and pada numbers are computed for grahas special lagnas and given in coloumn 4 of table below. Coloumn 5 has the year coressponding to nakshatra-pada number, and colmoumn 6 gives trine years w.r.t. lagna's nakshatra pada. For Sanjay Rath, year 1995-96 comes under GL, 1998-99 year has Lagn Pisces, 1999-00 year has Venus & SL & HL, 2001-02 year has Sun, and previous 2002-03 has Jupiter. I dont know much about his life events, but I think durning last few years he gained much name and fame for his lectures, books and conferences. (Pada number and coressponding years are calculated manually so check it, if there is any mistake) Graha Positions Rasi Pada No. Pada based Trine Years (U.Bahdra-4) Years from Lagna Pada Asc 14:02:41 Pis 1 1963-64 1998-99, 2034-35 Sun 21:04:10 Can 39 2001-02 1965-66, 2037-38 Mon 19:58:51 Aqu 101 2063-64 1991-92, 2027-28 Mar 13:40:30 Vir 55 2017-18 1981-82, 2053-54 Mer 13:22:37 Leo 46 2008-09 1972-73, 2044-45 Jup 26:07:54 Pis 4 1966-67 2002-03, 2038-39 Ven 14:55:17 Can 37 1999-00 1963-64, 2035-36 Sat-R 26:49:53 Cap 95 2057-58 1985-86, 2021-22 Rah 25:45:40 Gem 31 1993-94 2029-30, 2065-66 Ket 25:45:40 Sag 85 2047-48 1975-76, 2011-12 HL 13:58:02 Sco 73 2035-36 1963-64, 1999-00 GL 3:18:48 Sco 69 2031-32 1995-96, 2067-68 SL 13:31:41 Pis 1 1963-64 1999-00, 2035-36 Regards M.IMRAN Dear Imran bhai, This sounds like a variation of progressions. It looks like navamsa based progression. Try Sun's nakshatra pada as the reference, instead of lagna or Moon. But it may not work consistently with any reference. It will show only events that are connected with dharma, luck and opportunity. You can also try Sun's dasamsa as the reference and count dasamsas instead of navamsas. This will show all activities. This covers 120 years instead of 108 years, which is the real paramayush of human beings in Kali yuga. This relates to 3 deg per year progression of Sun. The results can be given by special points too and not just by planets. Take AB Vajpayee for example. His birthdata is: 25 December 1926, 5:10 am (IST), 78e10, 26n13. [A leading astrologer made a lot of fuss on another list about getting accurate birthdata and not trusting books and magazines. In the same breath, he accused astrologers who use this birthdata which is different from the one given in official biography. He cautions us against trusting books and yet accuses us of not trusting the official biography. So ironical! Well, it is believed that they changed the birth year from 1926 to 1924 to put him in school early. Don't believe the official birth year.] Sun is in the 10th degree of Sg, i.e. 4th dasamsa of Sg. Ghatika Lagna (GL), which stands for power and authority, is in the 14th degree of Cancer, i.e. the 5th dasamsa of Cn. Counting from Sun's dasamsa, GL is in the 7+(6x10)+5=72nd dasamsa. Thus his 72nd year activated GL fully! His 72nd year ran from Dec 1997 to Dec 1998. It was exactly during this year - in the spring of 1998 - that he became India's Prime Minister! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear List, > > In predictive astrology, nakshatra pada contains great importance specially as per nadi jyotish. Last week one of my friend clued a rule of prediction during debate with the help of 108 padas. But there is some ambiguity. Even I dont know the source of this rule. So please share your knowledge. This says:> > Divide the entire 360* zodiac into 108 pada (each of 3* 20' span) and find at which pada a planet is occupied. The "pada number" obtained gives the "age" when one will experience effect of that planet according to its natural indications and strength/weakness of navamsha.> e.g. if Sun is at 33rd pada, then its means fame, promotion or profit from government during the age of 33. Rahu at 12th pada means disease or loss at the age of 12, and so on.> > Now the is question is that, What should be the initial(reference) point for this pada computaion, whether> 1) from first pada of Ashvini nakshatra?> 2) from pada of Janm(natal Moon) Nakshatra?> 3) from pada of Lagna Nakshatra?> > This is important also, because the full ayu is often taken as 108 years, having three phases (36+36+36=108). We 'generally' see only first first two phases i.e. live more or less upto 72 years. Hence if majority of good or strong planets falls in the last five signs (72 to 108 padas) from either Ashivini, Janma Nakshatra or Lagna Nakshatra then one can't experience auspicious years. And hence this criteria does not remain uniform, and we need to treat it like tri-bhagi variation. That is if a planet is resided at 75th pada then its effect will manifest at 75 and trine of 75, or say at the age of 3rd, 39th and 75th years of age.> > Regards> M.IMRAN Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... To visit your group on the web, go to:vedic astrology/ To from this group, send an email to:vedic astrology Your use of is subject to the Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Dear Imran, Your message not only explains the method, but gives further directions for the research- thanks so much for that! I feel there is 'gold in this field', i.e it's worth exploring from ALL angles you mentioned in this message- it combines the best of both worlds/rashi, naks/n.padas. I will let you know when/if I find sufficiently clear indications for either of these possible 'connections'- please share if you find the same /I find Narayana dasa works fairly well wrt special lagnas, for ex., but timing is not that precise/ Sorry Imran that I mixed your first and last name-/ in our egocentric culture we go with first name first, family name second, although the later has certainly more 'weight' attached to it- unfortunatelly for male mostly!/ Thanks for elaborate response, again! Warmest wishes, AnnaMuhammad Imran <astroimran > wrote: Dear Anna, As I mentioned earlier that this method is a hypothesized approach based on 108 nakshatra padas. Therefore we can just speculate about the results, with the help of available planetary indications and effects. Now as far as its computation is concern, obviously nakshatra pada is considered but in the case of Sanjay Rath example I just gave sign-poisition alongwith padas. But firstly we have to find nakshatra-pada of natal Moon OR Lagna(whichever is stronger), note this pada and label it "1". Then start counting padas ( 3*20' ) for all grahas with respect to earlier noted pada number "1". For creating uniformity we take trine of each pada, by taking +/- 36 or +/- 72 from each pada. For example if the Sun is resided in pada number "39" from noted pada number "1", then we can find its trine as 39-36=3 and 39+36=75. Hence we found year 3, 39, and 75 related to the Sun which is resided into 39th pada from "1". And draw the result on the basis of Sun's natural significance, sign lorship and its navamsha strength/weakness. Now as I told vimshottari may connected to this, it just meaned we have to test practically, an adequate vimshottari variation to stregthen its forecasting capacity before approaching any concrete results. Which seems a scientific method, i.e. not to accept any hypothesis untill it is not proved ture on different enviornment and time. Hence I didn't emphasize on the probability of its validation and remarked first to check and then make any inference. Indeed there are numerous variation and prediction techniques through Vimshottari. You have also enquired, why did I not go to the nakshatra strength criterian, before finalizing which nakshtra-pada should be used as starting point. Yes I fully agree to this, starting nakshatra-pada choosing criteria must include all relative strength tests between lagna and moon nakshatra's lords. Thanks and Regards M.IMRAN 108ar <bona_mente > wrote: Dear Muhammad, This method makes lots of sense to me- My basic question would be about reading material on this, but it seems that you don't have that information? Please let us know if you do. Also, I see in your example you mention sign, but based on the basic premise, I assume you meant Naksatra within the sign, where particular planet/special lagna is triggered? You also said that this method 'may be connected to Vimsottari'- do you mean for 'confirmation' of what is indicated by Naksatras progression, or as a part of method itself- would you please expand on this? Also, if first /more likely?/ scenario is in stake here, what happens if Vimsottari doesn't 'support' nak. progression- in terms of its predictive value? Is that what 'inconsistent results' you mentioned, are related to? Seems very appealing and elegant method. Thank you for sharing. Best regards, AnnaMuhammad Imran <astroimran > wrote: Dear Narasimharo and Members, Thanks for reply. The Sun's D-10 based progression often proves true, but it focuses social and worldly activiteis(karma). And may also helpful in mundane (nation's) chart forecasting if studied along with annual solar return chart. Moon or Lagna based 108 pada criteria reveal opportunity, marriage, luck and belief. That may be connected to Vimshottari. I have carried out this rule on few charts, and found sometime it gives very correct result but sometimes not. Obviously ceteris-paribus does not exist in reality, and life events are the results of many other factors(dasas, gochar etc). As an example here's chart of Sanjay Rath. Since Lagna is powerful than Moon, so Lagna's nakshatra pada "U.Bhadrapad-4" is taken as starting point and pada numbers are computed for grahas special lagnas and given in coloumn 4 of table below. Coloumn 5 has the year coressponding to nakshatra-pada number, and colmoumn 6 gives trine years w.r.t. lagna's nakshatra pada. For Sanjay Rath, year 1995-96 comes under GL, 1998-99 year has Lagn Pisces, 1999-00 year has Venus & SL & HL, 2001-02 year has Sun, and previous 2002-03 has Jupiter. I dont know much about his life events, but I think durning last few years he gained much name and fame for his lectures, books and conferences. (Pada number and coressponding years are calculated manually so check it, if there is any mistake) Graha Positions Rasi Pada No. Pada based Trine Years (U.Bahdra-4) Years from Lagna Pada Asc 14:02:41 Pis 1 1963-64 1998-99, 2034-35 Sun 21:04:10 Can 39 2001-02 1965-66, 2037-38 Mon 19:58:51 Aqu 101 2063-64 1991-92, 2027-28 Mar 13:40:30 Vir 55 2017-18 1981-82, 2053-54 Mer 13:22:37 Leo 46 2008-09 1972-73, 2044-45 Jup 26:07:54 Pis 4 1966-67 2002-03, 2038-39 Ven 14:55:17 Can 37 1999-00 1963-64, 2035-36 Sat-R 26:49:53 Cap 95 2057-58 1985-86, 2021-22 Rah 25:45:40 Gem 31 1993-94 2029-30, 2065-66 Ket 25:45:40 Sag 85 2047-48 1975-76, 2011-12 HL 13:58:02 Sco 73 2035-36 1963-64, 1999-00 GL 3:18:48 Sco 69 2031-32 1995-96, 2067-68 SL 13:31:41 Pis 1 1963-64 1999-00, 2035-36 Regards M.IMRAN Dear Imran bhai, This sounds like a variation of progressions. It looks like navamsa based progression. Try Sun's nakshatra pada as the reference, instead of lagna or Moon. But it may not work consistently with any reference. It will show only events that are connected with dharma, luck and opportunity. You can also try Sun's dasamsa as the reference and count dasamsas instead of navamsas. This will show all activities. This covers 120 years instead of 108 years, which is the real paramayush of human beings in Kali yuga. This relates to 3 deg per year progression of Sun. The results can be given by special points too and not just by planets. Take AB Vajpayee for example. His birthdata is: 25 December 1926, 5:10 am (IST), 78e10, 26n13. [A leading astrologer made a lot of fuss on another list about getting accurate birthdata and not trusting books and magazines. In the same breath, he accused astrologers who use this birthdata which is different from the one given in official biography. He cautions us against trusting books and yet accuses us of not trusting the official biography. So ironical! Well, it is believed that they changed the birth year from 1926 to 1924 to put him in school early. Don't believe the official birth year.] Sun is in the 10th degree of Sg, i.e. 4th dasamsa of Sg. Ghatika Lagna (GL), which stands for power and authority, is in the 14th degree of Cancer, i.e. the 5th dasamsa of Cn. Counting from Sun's dasamsa, GL is in the 7+(6x10)+5=72nd dasamsa. Thus his 72nd year activated GL fully! His 72nd year ran from Dec 1997 to Dec 1998. It was exactly during this year - in the spring of 1998 - that he became India's Prime Minister! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear List, > > In predictive astrology, nakshatra pada contains great importance specially as per nadi jyotish. Last week one of my friend clued a rule of prediction during debate with the help of 108 padas. But there is some ambiguity. Even I dont know the source of this rule. So please share your knowledge. This says:> > Divide the entire 360* zodiac into 108 pada (each of 3* 20' span) and find at which pada a planet is occupied. The "pada number" obtained gives the "age" when one will experience effect of that planet according to its natural indications and strength/weakness of navamsha.> e.g. if Sun is at 33rd pada, then its means fame, promotion or profit from government during the age of 33. Rahu at 12th pada means disease or loss at the age of 12, and so on.> > Now the is question is that, What should be the initial(reference) point for this pada computaion, whether> 1) from first pada of Ashvini nakshatra?> 2) from pada of Janm(natal Moon) Nakshatra?> 3) from pada of Lagna Nakshatra?> > This is important also, because the full ayu is often taken as 108 years, having three phases (36+36+36=108). We 'generally' see only first first two phases i.e. live more or less upto 72 years. Hence if majority of good or strong planets falls in the last five signs (72 to 108 padas) from either Ashivini, Janma Nakshatra or Lagna Nakshatra then one can't experience auspicious years. And hence this criteria does not remain uniform, and we need to treat it like tri-bhagi variation. That is if a planet is resided at 75th pada then its effect will manifest at 75 and trine of 75, or say at the age of 3rd, 39th and 75th years of age.> > Regards> M.IMRAN Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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