Grat Gift........Flow Of Blessings.Cont,inuation on Our Priorities

[Guest guest]

Vidyut Ji,

 

Great story. Yes, you are indeed blessed, for your charitable acts

in helping people. Whether the people remember you and thank you for

it or not.... there is indeed some divinity everywhere, that will

remember and give you the fruits of your labours.

 

Mukund, if you are reading this.. THIS is the value and power of

astrology. Helping those in need with all the gifts given to you,

whether it be jyotish or other skills. Not ALL of us are money-crazy

liars that milk innocent people in the name of astrology.

 

Venkat

 

vedic astrology, "vidyut_bhatt"

<vidyut_bhatt> wrote:

> Hello Learned Friends,

> I wish to post something that happened today morning. This is not

to

> show accurateness of my predictions but IT IS ABOUT BEING BLESSED

by

> jathakas who become happy due to your astrological guidence and

bless

> you.

>

>

> GREAT GIFT

>

> Just yesterday I had written about getting blessings from people

who

> derive happiness thro' your predictive abilities. I had written

about

> Unemployed people in that posting.

> Today, I got a Great Gift on my Birth Day.

> About six months back, an old lady came to me with her son. He was

> unemployed and his wife had deserted him. He was mentally very

upset.

> His mother was crying.

>

> Prasna Chart indicated unholy influence of Sani from 7th, Moon was

> with Rahu in the sixth house. Moon being 8th lord.His

lagnadhipathi

> Guru was aspected by Mars from 2nd housewhile Guru was in the 8th

> house.

>

> I asked the mother to see that her son did not take drugs and

> liqor.As I feared adverse drug reaction.This is because of Rahu in

> the sixth .

>

> I did not charge any fees from them as I do not accept money from

> unemployed people.

>

> I asked him to do Shani Japa and perform shraddhha(When able).

> After a week I came to know that the boy had taken an overdose of

> sleeping pills and was hospitalized.

>

> His mother came to me with the news. I told her that I had

> anticipated this problem and had warned her.Subsequently I met the

> boy three or four times and tried and changed his fears into

strength

> to succeed.

> He started doing the Japa in right earnest . He got a job within a

> week

>

> Later on his mother kept me updated with his progress. Every time

she

> offered money , I refused.

>

> Today morning , I got a call from the boy saying that he wanted to

> meet me for a minute only.

> He came full of confidence and a desire to fight it out .

> He gave a modest some of money with tears in his eyes saying many

> thanks without telling.

> I will always cherish this gift on the beginning of my 55th year.

> Such blessings are what makes me tick.

>

> I have many such true stories . sometimes the people remember you

> sometimes they forget. But their hearts and minds must have

blessed

> me for I am always happy.

[Guest guest]

Hello Venkat:

 

Yes, helping those in need is indeed a great thing--it in fact is

GOOD karma which Lord Krishna asked us to perform.

 

However, do you really think chanting Shani mantra got this boy a

job? If mantras can get people jobs, President Bush would open up a

department of "Homeland Mantras" and immediately solve the high

unemployment problem we have here in the US.

 

What got this boy a job is his Karma--he got himself out in the job

market aggressively looking for a job and therefore he found a job.

 

Had he continued to sit before an idol and chant mantras and wait for

miracle to happen, he'd still be unemployed.

 

Mukund

 

vedic astrology, "venkatarama_sastry"

<venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> Vidyut Ji,

>

> Great story. Yes, you are indeed blessed, for your charitable acts

> in helping people. Whether the people remember you and thank you

for

> it or not.... there is indeed some divinity everywhere, that will

> remember and give you the fruits of your labours.

>

> Mukund, if you are reading this.. THIS is the value and power of

> astrology. Helping those in need with all the gifts given to you,

> whether it be jyotish or other skills. Not ALL of us are money-

crazy

> liars that milk innocent people in the name of astrology.

>

> Venkat

>

> vedic astrology, "vidyut_bhatt"

> <vidyut_bhatt> wrote:

> > Hello Learned Friends,

> > I wish to post something that happened today morning. This is not

> to

> > show accurateness of my predictions but IT IS ABOUT BEING BLESSED

> by

> > jathakas who become happy due to your astrological guidence and

> bless

> > you.

> >

> >

> > GREAT GIFT

> >

> > Just yesterday I had written about getting blessings from people

> who

> > derive happiness thro' your predictive abilities. I had written

> about

> > Unemployed people in that posting.

> > Today, I got a Great Gift on my Birth Day.

> > About six months back, an old lady came to me with her son. He

was

> > unemployed and his wife had deserted him. He was mentally very

> upset.

> > His mother was crying.

> >

> > Prasna Chart indicated unholy influence of Sani from 7th, Moon

was

> > with Rahu in the sixth house. Moon being 8th lord.His

> lagnadhipathi

> > Guru was aspected by Mars from 2nd housewhile Guru was in the 8th

> > house.

> >

> > I asked the mother to see that her son did not take drugs and

> > liqor.As I feared adverse drug reaction.This is because of Rahu

in

> > the sixth .

> >

> > I did not charge any fees from them as I do not accept money from

> > unemployed people.

> >

> > I asked him to do Shani Japa and perform shraddhha(When able).

> > After a week I came to know that the boy had taken an overdose of

> > sleeping pills and was hospitalized.

> >

> > His mother came to me with the news. I told her that I had

> > anticipated this problem and had warned her.Subsequently I met

the

> > boy three or four times and tried and changed his fears into

> strength

> > to succeed.

> > He started doing the Japa in right earnest . He got a job within

a

> > week

> >

> > Later on his mother kept me updated with his progress. Every time

> she

> > offered money , I refused.

> >

> > Today morning , I got a call from the boy saying that he wanted

to

> > meet me for a minute only.

> > He came full of confidence and a desire to fight it out .

> > He gave a modest some of money with tears in his eyes saying many

> > thanks without telling.

> > I will always cherish this gift on the beginning of my 55th year.

> > Such blessings are what makes me tick.

> >

> > I have many such true stories . sometimes the people remember you

> > sometimes they forget. But their hearts and minds must have

> blessed

> > me for I am always happy.

[Guest guest]

Hi Mukund,

 

Ah, I definitely agree with you on doing your karma, but I can't

agree with you on the rest. Let me explain why.

 

You stated categorically that if this boy had sat in front of the

idol and chanted matras, without aggresively looking for a job, he'd

still be unemployed. Sure, that seems logical, but if we step back

and take a scientific approach - what's the proof? And the opposite

is equally true - what's my proof if I state that YES he WILL find a

job through mantras. The only conclusion I can draw, using the

scientific method, is that 1) there is no proof as in mathematical

proof that will cover all cases, and 2) there isn't enough

experimental evidence (that I am aware of, maybe others have more)

to develop an emphirical proof either that it works or that it does

not. Agreed?

 

So, we have 2 ways of finding a job, 1) to aggresively look for one,

and 2) to chant mantras. We all know that (1) is a great way to go,

but is not 100% successful. (Just ask all the people in tech fields

in the US - I personally know people that have been looking very

aggressively that have not found jobs). Now, as far as (2) is

concerned, chanting mantras, we don't know for sure, since there is

enough evidence both ways.

 

My solution? There is no need to just pick one of the two, either

looking aggresively or chanting mantras. Pick both! At best, you

increased your chance of success. At worst, you are still at the

success rate of the one that actually works.

 

Oh, and this is not an abstract theory for me, this is EXACTLY what

I did. After being laid off from my job recently, I spent many

months doing EVERYTHING in my power to find another job -

networking, professional societies, recruiters, internet, family

friends, you name it, I did it. And, yes, I chanted mantras for

Rahu, the planet in the career house. And - this is the interesting

part - as SOON as I finished the required number of times to chant

the mantra, I got an interview call out of the blue, from a HR

manager that saw my resume on the internet. I did not even apply to

this company - I am working here now, doing interesting work, and at

a pay raise. Was it because I had a great resume, I put it on the

right websites, or because I chanted Rahu mantra? My personal answer

to all three questions is Yes, Yes, Yes.

 

Venkat

 

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

wrote:

> Hello Venkat:

>

> Yes, helping those in need is indeed a great thing--it in fact is

> GOOD karma which Lord Krishna asked us to perform.

>

> However, do you really think chanting Shani mantra got this boy a

> job? If mantras can get people jobs, President Bush would open up

a

> department of "Homeland Mantras" and immediately solve the high

> unemployment problem we have here in the US.

>

> What got this boy a job is his Karma--he got himself out in the

job

> market aggressively looking for a job and therefore he found a job.

>

> Had he continued to sit before an idol and chant mantras and wait

for

> miracle to happen, he'd still be unemployed.

>

> Mukund

>

> vedic astrology, "venkatarama_sastry"

> <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > Vidyut Ji,

> >

> > Great story. Yes, you are indeed blessed, for your charitable

acts

> > in helping people. Whether the people remember you and thank you

> for

> > it or not.... there is indeed some divinity everywhere, that

will

> > remember and give you the fruits of your labours.

> >

> > Mukund, if you are reading this.. THIS is the value and power of

> > astrology. Helping those in need with all the gifts given to

you,

> > whether it be jyotish or other skills. Not ALL of us are money-

> crazy

> > liars that milk innocent people in the name of astrology.

> >

> > Venkat

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vidyut_bhatt"

> > <vidyut_bhatt> wrote:

> > > Hello Learned Friends,

> > > I wish to post something that happened today morning. This is

not

> > to

> > > show accurateness of my predictions but IT IS ABOUT BEING

BLESSED

> > by

> > > jathakas who become happy due to your astrological guidence

and

> > bless

> > > you.

> > >

> > >

> > > GREAT GIFT

> > >

> > > Just yesterday I had written about getting blessings from

people

> > who

> > > derive happiness thro' your predictive abilities. I had

written

> > about

> > > Unemployed people in that posting.

> > > Today, I got a Great Gift on my Birth Day.

> > > About six months back, an old lady came to me with her son. He

> was

> > > unemployed and his wife had deserted him. He was mentally very

> > upset.

> > > His mother was crying.

> > >

> > > Prasna Chart indicated unholy influence of Sani from 7th, Moon

> was

> > > with Rahu in the sixth house. Moon being 8th lord.His

> > lagnadhipathi

> > > Guru was aspected by Mars from 2nd housewhile Guru was in the

8th

> > > house.

> > >

> > > I asked the mother to see that her son did not take drugs and

> > > liqor.As I feared adverse drug reaction.This is because of

Rahu

> in

> > > the sixth .

> > >

> > > I did not charge any fees from them as I do not accept money

from

> > > unemployed people.

> > >

> > > I asked him to do Shani Japa and perform shraddhha(When able).

> > > After a week I came to know that the boy had taken an overdose

of

> > > sleeping pills and was hospitalized.

> > >

> > > His mother came to me with the news. I told her that I had

> > > anticipated this problem and had warned her.Subsequently I met

> the

> > > boy three or four times and tried and changed his fears into

> > strength

> > > to succeed.

> > > He started doing the Japa in right earnest . He got a job

within

> a

> > > week

> > >

> > > Later on his mother kept me updated with his progress. Every

time

> > she

> > > offered money , I refused.

> > >

> > > Today morning , I got a call from the boy saying that he

wanted

> to

> > > meet me for a minute only.

> > > He came full of confidence and a desire to fight it out .

> > > He gave a modest some of money with tears in his eyes saying

many

> > > thanks without telling.

> > > I will always cherish this gift on the beginning of my 55th

year.

> > > Such blessings are what makes me tick.

> > >

> > > I have many such true stories . sometimes the people remember

you

> > > sometimes they forget. But their hearts and minds must have

> > blessed

> > > me for I am always happy.

[Guest guest]

One more thing... lest anyone thinks that I am saying that we should

NOT do our karma - that is not at all my point. Of course we should.

I have no patience at all with people that don't make an effort. My

only point was that there is yet soooo much that we do not know, and

how mantras work is just one of the millions of things that we do

not know. The fact that we don't understand doesnt mean they don't

work.

 

-venkat

 

vedic astrology, "venkatarama_sastry"

<venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> Hi Mukund,

>

> Ah, I definitely agree with you on doing your karma, but I can't

> agree with you on the rest. Let me explain why.

>

> You stated categorically that if this boy had sat in front of the

> idol and chanted matras, without aggresively looking for a job,

he'd

> still be unemployed. Sure, that seems logical, but if we step back

> and take a scientific approach - what's the proof? And the

opposite

> is equally true - what's my proof if I state that YES he WILL find

a

> job through mantras. The only conclusion I can draw, using the

> scientific method, is that 1) there is no proof as in mathematical

> proof that will cover all cases, and 2) there isn't enough

> experimental evidence (that I am aware of, maybe others have more)

> to develop an emphirical proof either that it works or that it

does

> not. Agreed?

>

> So, we have 2 ways of finding a job, 1) to aggresively look for

one,

> and 2) to chant mantras. We all know that (1) is a great way to

go,

> but is not 100% successful. (Just ask all the people in tech

fields

> in the US - I personally know people that have been looking very

> aggressively that have not found jobs). Now, as far as (2) is

> concerned, chanting mantras, we don't know for sure, since there

is

> enough evidence both ways.

>

> My solution? There is no need to just pick one of the two, either

> looking aggresively or chanting mantras. Pick both! At best, you

> increased your chance of success. At worst, you are still at the

> success rate of the one that actually works.

>

> Oh, and this is not an abstract theory for me, this is EXACTLY

what

> I did. After being laid off from my job recently, I spent many

> months doing EVERYTHING in my power to find another job -

> networking, professional societies, recruiters, internet, family

> friends, you name it, I did it. And, yes, I chanted mantras for

> Rahu, the planet in the career house. And - this is the

interesting

> part - as SOON as I finished the required number of times to chant

> the mantra, I got an interview call out of the blue, from a HR

> manager that saw my resume on the internet. I did not even apply

to

> this company - I am working here now, doing interesting work, and

at

> a pay raise. Was it because I had a great resume, I put it on the

> right websites, or because I chanted Rahu mantra? My personal

answer

> to all three questions is Yes, Yes, Yes.

>

> Venkat

>

> vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

<monmuk111>

> wrote:

> > Hello Venkat:

> >

> > Yes, helping those in need is indeed a great thing--it in fact

is

> > GOOD karma which Lord Krishna asked us to perform.

> >

> > However, do you really think chanting Shani mantra got this boy

a

> > job? If mantras can get people jobs, President Bush would open

up

> a

> > department of "Homeland Mantras" and immediately solve the high

> > unemployment problem we have here in the US.

> >

> > What got this boy a job is his Karma--he got himself out in the

> job

> > market aggressively looking for a job and therefore he found a

job.

> >

> > Had he continued to sit before an idol and chant mantras and

wait

> for

> > miracle to happen, he'd still be unemployed.

> >

> > Mukund

> >

> > vedic astrology, "venkatarama_sastry"

> > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > > Vidyut Ji,

> > >

> > > Great story. Yes, you are indeed blessed, for your charitable

> acts

> > > in helping people. Whether the people remember you and thank

you

> > for

> > > it or not.... there is indeed some divinity everywhere, that

> will

> > > remember and give you the fruits of your labours.

> > >

> > > Mukund, if you are reading this.. THIS is the value and power

of

> > > astrology. Helping those in need with all the gifts given to

> you,

> > > whether it be jyotish or other skills. Not ALL of us are money-

> > crazy

> > > liars that milk innocent people in the name of astrology.

> > >

> > > Venkat

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "vidyut_bhatt"

> > > <vidyut_bhatt> wrote:

> > > > Hello Learned Friends,

> > > > I wish to post something that happened today morning. This

is

> not

> > > to

> > > > show accurateness of my predictions but IT IS ABOUT BEING

> BLESSED

> > > by

> > > > jathakas who become happy due to your astrological guidence

> and

> > > bless

> > > > you.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > GREAT GIFT

> > > >

> > > > Just yesterday I had written about getting blessings from

> people

> > > who

> > > > derive happiness thro' your predictive abilities. I had

> written

> > > about

> > > > Unemployed people in that posting.

> > > > Today, I got a Great Gift on my Birth Day.

> > > > About six months back, an old lady came to me with her son.

He

> > was

> > > > unemployed and his wife had deserted him. He was mentally

very

> > > upset.

> > > > His mother was crying.

> > > >

> > > > Prasna Chart indicated unholy influence of Sani from 7th,

Moon

> > was

> > > > with Rahu in the sixth house. Moon being 8th lord.His

> > > lagnadhipathi

> > > > Guru was aspected by Mars from 2nd housewhile Guru was in

the

> 8th

> > > > house.

> > > >

> > > > I asked the mother to see that her son did not take drugs

and

> > > > liqor.As I feared adverse drug reaction.This is because of

> Rahu

> > in

> > > > the sixth .

> > > >

> > > > I did not charge any fees from them as I do not accept money

> from

> > > > unemployed people.

> > > >

> > > > I asked him to do Shani Japa and perform shraddhha(When

able).

> > > > After a week I came to know that the boy had taken an

overdose

> of

> > > > sleeping pills and was hospitalized.

> > > >

> > > > His mother came to me with the news. I told her that I had

> > > > anticipated this problem and had warned her.Subsequently I

met

> > the

> > > > boy three or four times and tried and changed his fears into

> > > strength

> > > > to succeed.

> > > > He started doing the Japa in right earnest . He got a job

> within

> > a

> > > > week

> > > >

> > > > Later on his mother kept me updated with his progress. Every

> time

> > > she

> > > > offered money , I refused.

> > > >

> > > > Today morning , I got a call from the boy saying that he

> wanted

> > to

> > > > meet me for a minute only.

> > > > He came full of confidence and a desire to fight it out .

> > > > He gave a modest some of money with tears in his eyes saying

> many

> > > > thanks without telling.

> > > > I will always cherish this gift on the beginning of my 55th

> year.

> > > > Such blessings are what makes me tick.

> > > >

> > > > I have many such true stories . sometimes the people

remember

> you

> > > > sometimes they forget. But their hearts and minds must have

> > > blessed

> > > > me for I am always happy.

[Guest guest]

Hello Venkat:

 

Very well written note. I'm glad that you agree that by chanting

mantras AS WELL AS aggressively looking for a job can lead one to

finding a job.

 

However, mantras by themselves don't have the power and potential to

make miracles happen. Karma is necessary and if we follow the path of

Lord Krishna, righteous Karma is necessary to attian our ends and

hope for a better life in the next birth.

 

Mukund

 

 

vedic astrology, "venkatarama_sastry"

<venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> Hi Mukund,

>

> Ah, I definitely agree with you on doing your karma, but I can't

> agree with you on the rest. Let me explain why.

>

> You stated categorically that if this boy had sat in front of the

> idol and chanted matras, without aggresively looking for a job,

he'd

> still be unemployed. Sure, that seems logical, but if we step back

> and take a scientific approach - what's the proof? And the opposite

> is equally true - what's my proof if I state that YES he WILL find

a

> job through mantras. The only conclusion I can draw, using the

> scientific method, is that 1) there is no proof as in mathematical

> proof that will cover all cases, and 2) there isn't enough

> experimental evidence (that I am aware of, maybe others have more)

> to develop an emphirical proof either that it works or that it does

> not. Agreed?

>

> So, we have 2 ways of finding a job, 1) to aggresively look for

one,

> and 2) to chant mantras. We all know that (1) is a great way to go,

> but is not 100% successful. (Just ask all the people in tech fields

> in the US - I personally know people that have been looking very

> aggressively that have not found jobs). Now, as far as (2) is

> concerned, chanting mantras, we don't know for sure, since there is

> enough evidence both ways.

>

> My solution? There is no need to just pick one of the two, either

> looking aggresively or chanting mantras. Pick both! At best, you

> increased your chance of success. At worst, you are still at the

> success rate of the one that actually works.

>

> Oh, and this is not an abstract theory for me, this is EXACTLY what

> I did. After being laid off from my job recently, I spent many

> months doing EVERYTHING in my power to find another job -

> networking, professional societies, recruiters, internet, family

> friends, you name it, I did it. And, yes, I chanted mantras for

> Rahu, the planet in the career house. And - this is the interesting

> part - as SOON as I finished the required number of times to chant

> the mantra, I got an interview call out of the blue, from a HR

> manager that saw my resume on the internet. I did not even apply to

> this company - I am working here now, doing interesting work, and

at

> a pay raise. Was it because I had a great resume, I put it on the

> right websites, or because I chanted Rahu mantra? My personal

answer

> to all three questions is Yes, Yes, Yes.

>

> Venkat

>

> vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

<monmuk111>

> wrote:

> > Hello Venkat:

> >

> > Yes, helping those in need is indeed a great thing--it in fact is

> > GOOD karma which Lord Krishna asked us to perform.

> >

> > However, do you really think chanting Shani mantra got this boy a

> > job? If mantras can get people jobs, President Bush would open up

> a

> > department of "Homeland Mantras" and immediately solve the high

> > unemployment problem we have here in the US.

> >

> > What got this boy a job is his Karma--he got himself out in the

> job

> > market aggressively looking for a job and therefore he found a

job.

> >

> > Had he continued to sit before an idol and chant mantras and wait

> for

> > miracle to happen, he'd still be unemployed.

> >

> > Mukund

> >

> > vedic astrology, "venkatarama_sastry"

> > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > > Vidyut Ji,

> > >

> > > Great story. Yes, you are indeed blessed, for your charitable

> acts

> > > in helping people. Whether the people remember you and thank

you

> > for

> > > it or not.... there is indeed some divinity everywhere, that

> will

> > > remember and give you the fruits of your labours.

> > >

> > > Mukund, if you are reading this.. THIS is the value and power

of

> > > astrology. Helping those in need with all the gifts given to

> you,

> > > whether it be jyotish or other skills. Not ALL of us are money-

> > crazy

> > > liars that milk innocent people in the name of astrology.

> > >

> > > Venkat

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "vidyut_bhatt"

> > > <vidyut_bhatt> wrote:

> > > > Hello Learned Friends,

> > > > I wish to post something that happened today morning. This is

> not

> > > to

> > > > show accurateness of my predictions but IT IS ABOUT BEING

> BLESSED

> > > by

> > > > jathakas who become happy due to your astrological guidence

> and

> > > bless

> > > > you.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > GREAT GIFT

> > > >

> > > > Just yesterday I had written about getting blessings from

> people

> > > who

> > > > derive happiness thro' your predictive abilities. I had

> written

> > > about

> > > > Unemployed people in that posting.

> > > > Today, I got a Great Gift on my Birth Day.

> > > > About six months back, an old lady came to me with her son.

He

> > was

> > > > unemployed and his wife had deserted him. He was mentally

very

> > > upset.

> > > > His mother was crying.

> > > >

> > > > Prasna Chart indicated unholy influence of Sani from 7th,

Moon

> > was

> > > > with Rahu in the sixth house. Moon being 8th lord.His

> > > lagnadhipathi

> > > > Guru was aspected by Mars from 2nd housewhile Guru was in the

> 8th

> > > > house.

> > > >

> > > > I asked the mother to see that her son did not take drugs and

> > > > liqor.As I feared adverse drug reaction.This is because of

> Rahu

> > in

> > > > the sixth .

> > > >

> > > > I did not charge any fees from them as I do not accept money

> from

> > > > unemployed people.

> > > >

> > > > I asked him to do Shani Japa and perform shraddhha(When able).

> > > > After a week I came to know that the boy had taken an

overdose

> of

> > > > sleeping pills and was hospitalized.

> > > >

> > > > His mother came to me with the news. I told her that I had

> > > > anticipated this problem and had warned her.Subsequently I

met

> > the

> > > > boy three or four times and tried and changed his fears into

> > > strength

> > > > to succeed.

> > > > He started doing the Japa in right earnest . He got a job

> within

> > a

> > > > week

> > > >

> > > > Later on his mother kept me updated with his progress. Every

> time

> > > she

> > > > offered money , I refused.

> > > >

> > > > Today morning , I got a call from the boy saying that he

> wanted

> > to

> > > > meet me for a minute only.

> > > > He came full of confidence and a desire to fight it out .

> > > > He gave a modest some of money with tears in his eyes saying

> many

> > > > thanks without telling.

> > > > I will always cherish this gift on the beginning of my 55th

> year.

> > > > Such blessings are what makes me tick.

> > > >

> > > > I have many such true stories . sometimes the people remember

> you

> > > > sometimes they forget. But their hearts and minds must have

> > > blessed

> > > > me for I am always happy.

[Guest guest]

> If mantras can get people jobs, President Bush would open up a

> department of "Homeland Mantras" and immediately solve the high

> unemployment problem we have here in the US.

 

That was an if again! ;-)

 

> Had he continued to sit before an idol and chant mantras and wait for

> miracle to happen, he'd still be unemployed.

 

OK, you skipped the if, but it's still an if statement. :-)

[Guest guest]

Mukund,

 

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree, then. My personal view

is that I see evidence that mantras work in some instances and not

in some other instances, so I cannot categorically say that "yes,

they work" or "no they don't". To each his/her own.

 

Venkat

 

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

wrote:

> Hello Venkat:

>

> Very well written note. I'm glad that you agree that by chanting

> mantras AS WELL AS aggressively looking for a job can lead one to

> finding a job.

>

> However, mantras by themselves don't have the power and potential

to

> make miracles happen. Karma is necessary and if we follow the path

of

> Lord Krishna, righteous Karma is necessary to attian our ends and

> hope for a better life in the next birth.

>

> Mukund

>

>

> vedic astrology, "venkatarama_sastry"

> <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > Hi Mukund,

> >

> > Ah, I definitely agree with you on doing your karma, but I can't

> > agree with you on the rest. Let me explain why.

> >

> > You stated categorically that if this boy had sat in front of

the

> > idol and chanted matras, without aggresively looking for a job,

> he'd

> > still be unemployed. Sure, that seems logical, but if we step

back

> > and take a scientific approach - what's the proof? And the

opposite

> > is equally true - what's my proof if I state that YES he WILL

find

> a

> > job through mantras. The only conclusion I can draw, using the

> > scientific method, is that 1) there is no proof as in

mathematical

> > proof that will cover all cases, and 2) there isn't enough

> > experimental evidence (that I am aware of, maybe others have

more)

> > to develop an emphirical proof either that it works or that it

does

> > not. Agreed?

> >

> > So, we have 2 ways of finding a job, 1) to aggresively look for

> one,

> > and 2) to chant mantras. We all know that (1) is a great way to

go,

> > but is not 100% successful. (Just ask all the people in tech

fields

> > in the US - I personally know people that have been looking very

> > aggressively that have not found jobs). Now, as far as (2) is

> > concerned, chanting mantras, we don't know for sure, since there

is

> > enough evidence both ways.

> >

> > My solution? There is no need to just pick one of the two,

either

> > looking aggresively or chanting mantras. Pick both! At best,

you

> > increased your chance of success. At worst, you are still at the

> > success rate of the one that actually works.

> >

> > Oh, and this is not an abstract theory for me, this is EXACTLY

what

> > I did. After being laid off from my job recently, I spent many

> > months doing EVERYTHING in my power to find another job -

> > networking, professional societies, recruiters, internet, family

> > friends, you name it, I did it. And, yes, I chanted mantras for

> > Rahu, the planet in the career house. And - this is the

interesting

> > part - as SOON as I finished the required number of times to

chant

> > the mantra, I got an interview call out of the blue, from a HR

> > manager that saw my resume on the internet. I did not even apply

to

> > this company - I am working here now, doing interesting work,

and

> at

> > a pay raise. Was it because I had a great resume, I put it on

the

> > right websites, or because I chanted Rahu mantra? My personal

> answer

> > to all three questions is Yes, Yes, Yes.

> >

> > Venkat

> >

> > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> <monmuk111>

> > wrote:

> > > Hello Venkat:

> > >

> > > Yes, helping those in need is indeed a great thing--it in fact

is

> > > GOOD karma which Lord Krishna asked us to perform.

> > >

> > > However, do you really think chanting Shani mantra got this

boy a

> > > job? If mantras can get people jobs, President Bush would open

up

> > a

> > > department of "Homeland Mantras" and immediately solve the

high

> > > unemployment problem we have here in the US.

> > >

> > > What got this boy a job is his Karma--he got himself out in

the

> > job

> > > market aggressively looking for a job and therefore he found a

> job.

> > >

> > > Had he continued to sit before an idol and chant mantras and

wait

> > for

> > > miracle to happen, he'd still be unemployed.

> > >

> > > Mukund

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "venkatarama_sastry"

> > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > > > Vidyut Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Great story. Yes, you are indeed blessed, for your

charitable

> > acts

> > > > in helping people. Whether the people remember you and thank

> you

> > > for

> > > > it or not.... there is indeed some divinity everywhere, that

> > will

> > > > remember and give you the fruits of your labours.

> > > >

> > > > Mukund, if you are reading this.. THIS is the value and

power

> of

> > > > astrology. Helping those in need with all the gifts given to

> > you,

> > > > whether it be jyotish or other skills. Not ALL of us are

money-

> > > crazy

> > > > liars that milk innocent people in the name of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > Venkat

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, "vidyut_bhatt"

> > > > <vidyut_bhatt> wrote:

> > > > > Hello Learned Friends,

> > > > > I wish to post something that happened today morning. This

is

> > not

> > > > to

> > > > > show accurateness of my predictions but IT IS ABOUT BEING

> > BLESSED

> > > > by

> > > > > jathakas who become happy due to your astrological

guidence

> > and

> > > > bless

> > > > > you.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > GREAT GIFT

> > > > >

> > > > > Just yesterday I had written about getting blessings from

> > people

> > > > who

> > > > > derive happiness thro' your predictive abilities. I had

> > written

> > > > about

> > > > > Unemployed people in that posting.

> > > > > Today, I got a Great Gift on my Birth Day.

> > > > > About six months back, an old lady came to me with her

son.

> He

> > > was

> > > > > unemployed and his wife had deserted him. He was mentally

> very

> > > > upset.

> > > > > His mother was crying.

> > > > >

> > > > > Prasna Chart indicated unholy influence of Sani from 7th,

> Moon

> > > was

> > > > > with Rahu in the sixth house. Moon being 8th lord.His

> > > > lagnadhipathi

> > > > > Guru was aspected by Mars from 2nd housewhile Guru was in

the

> > 8th

> > > > > house.

> > > > >

> > > > > I asked the mother to see that her son did not take drugs

and

> > > > > liqor.As I feared adverse drug reaction.This is because of

> > Rahu

> > > in

> > > > > the sixth .

> > > > >

> > > > > I did not charge any fees from them as I do not accept

money

> > from

> > > > > unemployed people.

> > > > >

> > > > > I asked him to do Shani Japa and perform shraddhha(When

able).

> > > > > After a week I came to know that the boy had taken an

> overdose

> > of

> > > > > sleeping pills and was hospitalized.

> > > > >

> > > > > His mother came to me with the news. I told her that I had

> > > > > anticipated this problem and had warned her.Subsequently I

> met

> > > the

> > > > > boy three or four times and tried and changed his fears

into

> > > > strength

> > > > > to succeed.

> > > > > He started doing the Japa in right earnest . He got a job

> > within

> > > a

> > > > > week

> > > > >

> > > > > Later on his mother kept me updated with his progress.

Every

> > time

> > > > she

> > > > > offered money , I refused.

> > > > >

> > > > > Today morning , I got a call from the boy saying that he

> > wanted

> > > to

> > > > > meet me for a minute only.

> > > > > He came full of confidence and a desire to fight it out .

> > > > > He gave a modest some of money with tears in his eyes

saying

> > many

> > > > > thanks without telling.

> > > > > I will always cherish this gift on the beginning of my

55th

> > year.

> > > > > Such blessings are what makes me tick.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have many such true stories . sometimes the people

remember

> > you

> > > > > sometimes they forget. But their hearts and minds must

have

> > > > blessed

> > > > > me for I am always happy.

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Mukund

 

Your views are quite fascinating.It has created some interesting

discussion.

 

> Had he continued to sit before an idol and chant mantras and wait

for

> miracle to happen, he'd still be unemployed.

>

But do you know any guy who has got a job without looking for a

job.Any one who received an offer letter from Asim Premji that pls

join our company - we came to know about your skills through your

class teacher os so!(from my knowledge no such cases:-)

 

Thus i think job hunt is understandable and need not be explicitly

stated.What we are mentinoning here is the extraordinary or the

uncommon.

 

But regarding other points i cant say anything.Because you have your

own experiences and convictions.I feel since i had prayed i have

some benefits or relief, thats my conviction.But your experiences

may be different and hence a different kind of learning.This proves

that no one can impose any views on another.The learning has to be

self and every learning is true.I think we miss Partha ji here!

 

Best regds

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

wrote:

> Hello Venkat:

>

> Yes, helping those in need is indeed a great thing--it in fact is

> GOOD karma which Lord Krishna asked us to perform.

>

> However, do you really think chanting Shani mantra got this boy a

> job? If mantras can get people jobs, President Bush would open up

a

> department of "Homeland Mantras" and immediately solve the high

> unemployment problem we have here in the US.

>

> What got this boy a job is his Karma--he got himself out in the

job

> market aggressively looking for a job and therefore he found a job.

>

> Had he continued to sit before an idol and chant mantras and wait

for

> miracle to happen, he'd still be unemployed.

>

> Mukund

>

> vedic astrology, "venkatarama_sastry"

> <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > Vidyut Ji,

> >

> > Great story. Yes, you are indeed blessed, for your charitable

acts

> > in helping people. Whether the people remember you and thank you

> for

> > it or not.... there is indeed some divinity everywhere, that

will

> > remember and give you the fruits of your labours.

> >

> > Mukund, if you are reading this.. THIS is the value and power of

> > astrology. Helping those in need with all the gifts given to

you,

> > whether it be jyotish or other skills. Not ALL of us are money-

> crazy

> > liars that milk innocent people in the name of astrology.

> >

> > Venkat

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vidyut_bhatt"

> > <vidyut_bhatt> wrote:

> > > Hello Learned Friends,

> > > I wish to post something that happened today morning. This is

not

> > to

> > > show accurateness of my predictions but IT IS ABOUT BEING

BLESSED

> > by

> > > jathakas who become happy due to your astrological guidence

and

> > bless

> > > you.

> > >

> > >

> > > GREAT GIFT

> > >

> > > Just yesterday I had written about getting blessings from

people

> > who

> > > derive happiness thro' your predictive abilities. I had

written

> > about

> > > Unemployed people in that posting.

> > > Today, I got a Great Gift on my Birth Day.

> > > About six months back, an old lady came to me with her son. He

> was

> > > unemployed and his wife had deserted him. He was mentally very

> > upset.

> > > His mother was crying.

> > >

> > > Prasna Chart indicated unholy influence of Sani from 7th, Moon

> was

> > > with Rahu in the sixth house. Moon being 8th lord.His

> > lagnadhipathi

> > > Guru was aspected by Mars from 2nd housewhile Guru was in the

8th

> > > house.

> > >

> > > I asked the mother to see that her son did not take drugs and

> > > liqor.As I feared adverse drug reaction.This is because of

Rahu

> in

> > > the sixth .

> > >

> > > I did not charge any fees from them as I do not accept money

from

> > > unemployed people.

> > >

> > > I asked him to do Shani Japa and perform shraddhha(When able).

> > > After a week I came to know that the boy had taken an overdose

of

> > > sleeping pills and was hospitalized.

> > >

> > > His mother came to me with the news. I told her that I had

> > > anticipated this problem and had warned her.Subsequently I met

> the

> > > boy three or four times and tried and changed his fears into

> > strength

> > > to succeed.

> > > He started doing the Japa in right earnest . He got a job

within

> a

> > > week

> > >

> > > Later on his mother kept me updated with his progress. Every

time

> > she

> > > offered money , I refused.

> > >

> > > Today morning , I got a call from the boy saying that he

wanted

> to

> > > meet me for a minute only.

> > > He came full of confidence and a desire to fight it out .

> > > He gave a modest some of money with tears in his eyes saying

many

> > > thanks without telling.

> > > I will always cherish this gift on the beginning of my 55th

year.

> > > Such blessings are what makes me tick.

> > >

> > > I have many such true stories . sometimes the people remember

you

> > > sometimes they forget. But their hearts and minds must have

> > blessed

> > > me for I am always happy.

[Guest guest]

Hi Pradeep,

 

I do know about 3 persons who have got the jobs without even applying.

 

1)This one happened to my friend's(satish)neighbour(i dont recollect

his name as this happened 12 years ago).

Sathish wanted to go to a walk in interview conducted by Birla

institute of tech. Since he wanted someone to acompany him, he took

his neighbour/friend. satish got selected. Since less people turned

for the interview , the recruiter asked satish friend whether he is

interested in(satish' friend is also in computers). When he said yes,

he was also selected...(note, satish friend did not have a resume

with him and was not even properly dessed for the interview.. he was

in chappels)

Both were posted in delhi...satish was send to delhi for usa stamping

and he was refused..but his friend was sent to calcutta and got

approved and wend to usa.

 

2)My cousin(vijay) whos is doing his 1st yr mba(india), got 2 offers.

he never applied any. When checked with the company on how they got

the details , they said that they got it from his college(MCC)

 

3)Last time my friend(manoj) applied for a job was in 94. He have

switched jobs 3,4 times. since he has got a good reputation in his

work, it is always the recruiter who calls him for a new jobs.

He had never attented any job interviews since 94.

 

Regards

Senthil

 

====================================================

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear Shri Mukund

>

> Your views are quite fascinating.It has created some interesting

> discussion.

>

> > Had he continued to sit before an idol and chant mantras and wait

> for

> > miracle to happen, he'd still be unemployed.

> >

> But do you know any guy who has got a job without looking for a

> job.Any one who received an offer letter from Asim Premji that pls

> join our company - we came to know about your skills through your

> class teacher os so!(from my knowledge no such cases:-)

>

> Thus i think job hunt is understandable and need not be explicitly

> stated.What we are mentinoning here is the extraordinary or the

> uncommon.

>

> But regarding other points i cant say anything.Because you have

your

> own experiences and convictions.I feel since i had prayed i have

> some benefits or relief, thats my conviction.But your experiences

> may be different and hence a different kind of learning.This proves

> that no one can impose any views on another.The learning has to be

> self and every learning is true.I think we miss Partha ji here!

>

> Best regds

> Pradeep