RE: Parivartana - Anna + (was Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

[Guest guest]

Dear Anna,

For the benefit of all:

The credit for having some material regarding Parivartana goes here to Sarajit

who about a year ago mailed the following (I reproduce his mail "as is" - hope

it's ok):

 

-------------------------

Sarajit's mail:

There are three sort of Parivartana yogas;

1) Maha yoga: The inter-exchange of 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords with each other.

Effect of Maha Parivartana Yoga: fortunate, wealthy, well dressed, receives

gifts, influenctial company, commands vehicles and property.

 

2) Kahal yoga: The interchange of 3rd lord with either 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11.

Effect of Kahal Parivartana Yoga: Cyclical ups and down in destiny, regain

the lost prosperity, hardship, fickleminded.

 

3) Dainya yoga: The interchange of 6,8,12 lords with either 1,2,3,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords.

Effect of Dainya Parivartana Yoga: Unlucky, mean, hasty nature, questionable

character, suffer from enemies and diseases.

 

For example if lord of 10th make interchange with 8th lord then its called

Dainya parivartana yoga, but the same 10th lord if interchanges with 9th lord

produces Maha parivartana yoga.

 

In parivartana, one feature should be borne in mind. Apart from luminaries all

other five grahas contain lordhip of 2 sings. Now let suppose a chart where

Taurus rises as lagna, and Venus is Capricorn and Saturn is in Taurus. Here

Venus holds the lordship of 1st and 6th house and Saturn holds the lordship of

9th and 10th houses. In above case (Taurus lagna), the parivartna between Venus

and Saturn is called Maha yoga(interchange b/w 1st and 9th), not the Dainya

yoga(between 6th with 10th lords).

 

Besides Parivartana, when lords of dushtana bhava (6,8,12) interchange they

produce yoga called "Vipreeta", i.e. cancellation of maleficent. (Vipreet also

happens when dushtana lords conjoins in dushtana bhava). And if this

interchange is devoid of other impurities/aspects then it is equals to raj yoga

in effect. (Similarly when lords of kendra meet lords of trikoona in good houses

then this is also called "Kendra-Trikoona Raja Yoga", provided none is

afflicted).

 

The premise for Vipareeta Rajayoga is that the dusthana lords should be "Weakly

placed" in a dusthana. Now if the 8th lord is placed with 12th lord in 12th

house, they are not that weak. Because, 12th lord will be placed in its own

house. You can judge the navamsa positions for these planets. If they are in

debilitated navamsa then also the yogas shall function to good extent. However

for Sagittarius Lagna, Moon is the 8th lord and if placed with Mars in the 12th

house, there shall be rajayoga as Moon is debilitated and making Mars also weak

with association.

 

However never miss the association/ influence of the HL, GL who are the givers

of fortune and power...

Sarajit

------------------------end Sarajit's mail-----------------------Regards

/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Anna

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Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:23 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

Dear Jay,

 

This is very interesting- haven't heard much on Parivartana Yoga-

I am wondering if any PY involving dusthana can be beneficial?I've noticed for

example, PY btw. 6th and 7th house is'of dubious nature'

Having always in mind what the nature of planets involved is, what planets

leave 'behind' in the houses they leave, what environment they meet in a new house,

their friendship and other relevant

variables, it seems that you explored this issue further- all other things being

OK/as per above/ do you think that mere lordship ove dusthana can/cannot have a

decisive say in PY?

Thanks,

Best wishes,

Anna "J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ramani,

 

Longevity is always a hard nut to break, none the less in Saddams case.

Exchange between the 8th and 10th lords is called Dainya Parivartana Yoga and is

never good (Unlucky, mean, hasty nature, questionable character, suffer from

enemies and diseases).

I am working on it currently (as time allows) and will reply as soon as I feel

"safe" with my assumption.

 

A note on Martin Schulman books: please remember that he is "thinking" western

system i.e houses etc.

(try the sound of tiny "Retrograde Pluto" 6 billion(!) Km' away...) <smile>.

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Ramani Alwar

vedic astrology

Monday, December 15, 2003 9:06 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein ->

Dear Jay Weiss,

About retrograde planets, Martin Schulman and Erin Sullivan bith wrote

very nicely. Of course I have gone through the Moon's nodes book by Martin

Schulman. I will try to get a copy Karmic Relations as you say.

Weiss,

Here in the given case what about the longevity of this Saddam since Saturn and

Jupiter are in parivarthana (exchange of houses) and have enough strength?

Becuase at this point everyone is curious about the verdict of this native.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.

 

 

 

"J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ramani Alwar,

 

Very good that you mentioned Martin Schulman's book.

I have been using it for years and much of his indication do apply very often.

If you have his book "Karmic Relations" you will be able to expend your horizon

even more.

 

Kind regards/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Ramani Alwar

vedic astrology

Monday, December 15, 2003 6:48 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein

Hello Venkatrama Sastry jee,

Arrogance and Cruelty of this native is the gift of retrograde Mars by

Martin Schulman, in his book on retrograde and Reincarnatioin he mentions that

for Mars retrograde at the sixth house as 'Here the individual is caught

between conflict of how much he should do for others and how much he should he

should for himself. He tends to resent others telling hin how to do things and

yet he consciously wants their advice. Highly independent, he strives to be the

ruler of his own life amidst a flood of external circumstances that dictate the

direction of his energies. And so on...... I believe the Cruelty is due to the

planet of Mars and that is retrograde in nature at his own sign and joins the

Moon and Rahu. Here we can learn the effect of two debilitated planets conjunct

with the retrograde Mars.

 

The conjunction of debilitated Moon and Rahu accounts for the Guru mangala yoga

to act in a reverse fashion.

 

The debility of Jupiter can account for the religious intolerance by some means.

 

Further I leave with a query the lord of the 8/9th house is in parivarthana with

the lord of the 10th house. can this give a long life to this native? Further

the lord of the 8th house is with the exalted planet Venus and the Venus gets

Vargottama too. That is what a few astrologers will look in depth at present

and also to understand the Mundane and natal chart.

Bye now

 

Can a learned member of this group let us know what indications in Saddam's

natal chart indicate cruelty, arrogance, violence caused, religious

intolerance, loss of sons etc?-VRS

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Dear Sarajit,

 

Thanks so much for this on PY- I somehow missed/lost?/ this Sarajit's text, my

experience so far does confirms its, validity so this came at the right time

for me, to further explore this area.

 

Warmest wishes,

Anna"J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Anna,

For the benefit of all:

The credit for having some material regarding Parivartana goes here to Sarajit

who about a year ago mailed the following (I reproduce his mail "as is" - hope

it's ok):

 

-------------------------

Sarajit's mail:

There are three sort of Parivartana yogas;

1) Maha yoga: The inter-exchange of 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords with each other.

Effect of Maha Parivartana Yoga: fortunate, wealthy, well dressed, receives

gifts, influenctial company, commands vehicles and property.

 

2) Kahal yoga: The interchange of 3rd lord with either 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11.

Effect of Kahal Parivartana Yoga: Cyclical ups and down in destiny, regain

the lost prosperity, hardship, fickleminded.

 

3) Dainya yoga: The interchange of 6,8,12 lords with either 1,2,3,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords.

Effect of Dainya Parivartana Yoga: Unlucky, mean, hasty nature, questionable

character, suffer from enemies and diseases.

 

For example if lord of 10th make interchange with 8th lord then its called

Dainya parivartana yoga, but the same 10th lord if interchanges with 9th lord

produces Maha parivartana yoga.

 

In parivartana, one feature should be borne in mind. Apart from luminaries all

other five grahas contain lordhip of 2 sings. Now let suppose a chart where

Taurus rises as lagna, and Venus is Capricorn and Saturn is in Taurus. Here

Venus holds the lordship of 1st and 6th house and Saturn holds the lordship of

9th and 10th houses. In above case (Taurus lagna), the parivartna between Venus

and Saturn is called Maha yoga(interchange b/w 1st and 9th), not the Dainya

yoga(between 6th with 10th lords).

 

Besides Parivartana, when lords of dushtana bhava (6,8,12) interchange they

produce yoga called "Vipreeta", i.e. cancellation of maleficent. (Vipreet also

happens when dushtana lords conjoins in dushtana bhava). And if this

interchange is devoid of other impurities/aspects then it is equals to raj yoga

in effect. (Similarly when lords of kendra meet lords of trikoona in good houses

then this is also called "Kendra-Trikoona Raja Yoga", provided none is

afflicted).

 

The premise for Vipareeta Rajayoga is that the dusthana lords should be "Weakly

placed" in a dusthana. Now if the 8th lord is placed with 12th lord in 12th

house, they are not that weak. Because, 12th lord will be placed in its own

house. You can judge the navamsa positions for these planets. If they are in

debilitated navamsa then also the yogas shall function to good extent. However

for Sagittarius Lagna, Moon is the 8th lord and if placed with Mars in the 12th

house, there shall be rajayoga as Moon is debilitated and making Mars also weak

with association.

 

However never miss the association/ influence of the HL, GL who are the givers

of fortune and power...

Sarajit

------------------------end Sarajit's mail-----------------------Regards

/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Anna

vedic astrology

Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:23 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

Dear Jay,

 

This is very interesting- haven't heard much on Parivartana Yoga-

I am wondering if any PY involving dusthana can be beneficial?I've noticed for

example, PY btw. 6th and 7th house is'of dubious nature'

Having always in mind what the nature of planets involved is, what planets

leave 'behind' in the houses they leave, what environment they meet in a new house,

their friendship and other relevant

variables, it seems that you explored this issue further- all other things being

OK/as per above/ do you think that mere lordship ove dusthana can/cannot have a

decisive say in PY?

Thanks,

Best wishes,

Anna "J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ramani,

 

Longevity is always a hard nut to break, none the less in Saddams case.

Exchange between the 8th and 10th lords is called Dainya Parivartana Yoga and is

never good (Unlucky, mean, hasty nature, questionable character, suffer from

enemies and diseases).

I am working on it currently (as time allows) and will reply as soon as I feel

"safe" with my assumption.

 

A note on Martin Schulman books: please remember that he is "thinking" western

system i.e houses etc.

(try the sound of tiny "Retrograde Pluto" 6 billion(!) Km' away...) <smile>.

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Ramani Alwar

vedic astrology

Monday, December 15, 2003 9:06 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein ->

Dear Jay Weiss,

About retrograde planets, Martin Schulman and Erin Sullivan bith wrote

very nicely. Of course I have gone through the Moon's nodes book by Martin

Schulman. I will try to get a copy Karmic Relations as you say.

Weiss,

Here in the given case what about the longevity of this Saddam since Saturn and

Jupiter are in parivarthana (exchange of houses) and have enough strength?

Becuase at this point everyone is curious about the verdict of this native.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.

 

 

 

"J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ramani Alwar,

 

Very good that you mentioned Martin Schulman's book.

I have been using it for years and much of his indication do apply very often.

If you have his book "Karmic Relations" you will be able to expend your horizon

even more.

 

Kind regards/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Ramani Alwar

vedic astrology

Monday, December 15, 2003 6:48 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein

Hello Venkatrama Sastry jee,

Arrogance and Cruelty of this native is the gift of retrograde Mars by

Martin Schulman, in his book on retrograde and Reincarnatioin he mentions that

for Mars retrograde at the sixth house as 'Here the individual is caught

between conflict of how much he should do for others and how much he should he

should for himself. He tends to resent others telling hin how to do things and

yet he consciously wants their advice. Highly independent, he strives to be the

ruler of his own life amidst a flood of external circumstances that dictate the

direction of his energies. And so on...... I believe the Cruelty is due to the

planet of Mars and that is retrograde in nature at his own sign and joins the

Moon and Rahu. Here we can learn the effect of two debilitated planets conjunct

with the retrograde Mars.

 

The conjunction of debilitated Moon and Rahu accounts for the Guru mangala yoga

to act in a reverse fashion.

 

The debility of Jupiter can account for the religious intolerance by some means.

 

Further I leave with a query the lord of the 8/9th house is in parivarthana with

the lord of the 10th house. can this give a long life to this native? Further

the lord of the 8th house is with the exalted planet Venus and the Venus gets

Vargottama too. That is what a few astrologers will look in depth at present

and also to understand the Mundane and natal chart.

Bye now

 

Can a learned member of this group let us know what indications in Saddam's

natal chart indicate cruelty, arrogance, violence caused, religious

intolerance, loss of sons etc?-VRS

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I would like to add little bit more in parivarthana yoga, of course not

much new in this.

Parivarthana Yoga

Parivarthana yoga is nothing but the exchange of houses between any

planets in the given natal chart. Out of nine planets Rahu and Ketu do not have

any houses as their own houses. Sun has its own house which is Leo, Moon has

Cancer, Mars has two houses namely Aries and Scorpio, Mercury’s houses are

Gemini and Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces are the houses of Jupiter, Venus owns

Taurus and Libra and the rest of the houses are owned by Saturn. If any two

planets exchange their houses it is said to be Parivarthana yoga. Parivarthana

yoga is believed to be powerful yoga than the rest of the yoga because the

planets exchange their houses are powerful like that of the exalted planets. In

practice the planets under exchange do the duty of the houses in which they are

placed. Since seven planets have

their own houses theoretically six planets can undergo Parivarthana yoga.

One of the important horoscopes to analyse the Parivarthana yoga is the

horoscope of ex prime minister of India named Indira Gandhi. She got three

Parivarthana yoga in her natal chart. Her ascendant is Cancer, the lord of the

ascendant was in exchange with the seventh house lord, The lord of the second

house and the lord of the fifth houses were in exchange of house, and the Venus

and Jupiter were in exchange of their houses, where Jupiter was placed in Taurus

and Venus was in Sagittarius. These three exchanges of houses were responsible

for her achievements in life as a Prime minister.

Out of all the Parivarthana yoga the Parivarthana between the lord

of Kendra and Trikona is very powerful whereas the Parivarthana between the

lord of fifth and ninth house is very weak and cannot render any benefic

results. Among the Parivarthana between the Kendra and Trikona the exchange of

houses between the lord of the tenth and ninth houses is powerful and said to

be Dharma Karmathipathi yoga. This yoga brings an enormous wealth, they lead

the others by showing the path how to earn money for living in this world,

during the dasa of the these lords the native can make a foreign trip in terms

of business and earn a lot of money to lead the rest of the life, they become

very familiar

and popular and in the native they get an authoritative job as per the education of the native.

Another important yoga in the Parivarthana yoga is Andiya Vayasu

Dhana Yoga, it is due to the exchange of houses between the lord of the first

and second houses. This yoga brings popularity and wealth in the later part of

life irrespective of whatever may be the dasa, the native can get an honourable

job. But the negative part of this yoga is that the native suffers in the

earlier part of life. After the age of 33 onwards the native will earn money by

virtue of his/her own efforts till the age of 55.

`In the horoscope 6th, 8th and 12th houses are considered as malefic

houses. The lords of those houses if exchange their houses Vipreet Raja Yoga

arises. Usually the people those suddenly become a Crore pathi have this yoga

in their natal chart. During the dasa or bhuthi of those planets Jackpot and

lottery like lucks reach the native. Sometimes the lord of the 3rd house also

considered in the Vipreet Raja Yoga. One of the important factor factor is to

be considered is if the Vipreet raja yoga is due to exchange of houses between

the lord of the 8th and 6th houses. The dasa of the lord of the 6th houses

brings the death to the person if the longevity of the person is ineffective.

If the lord of the 3rd house exchange the houses with 4th, 5th, 7th,

9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses is said to be Kala Parivarthana yoga. These

people come up in life by their hard work and they get unexpected positive

results in life.

Except the 3rd, 6th, 8th and 12th house lords the rest of the

planets if undergo exchange of houses it is considered as Maha Bhagya

Parivarthana yoga. The result of this raja yoga is unnecessary to explain since

the name itself signifies the result of this yoga.

Kesari Yoga is due to the exchange of houses between Moon and

Jupiter, the results of this yoga is similar to that of Gaja Kesari Yoga.

Vedanda Yoga arises if Venus and Jupiter exchange their houses, as

per this yoga the married life becomes harmonious with luxury.

When Mercury undergoes Parivarthana education of the native becomes

very sound. People having the Parivarthana yoga come up in life one or the

other way.

 

 

Here in this case of Saddam Hussein the parivarthana yoga that is the exchange

of houses between Saturn and jupiter mentions that his life is little bit

longer that is why he did not commit suicide or anything and prolonging. Saturn

in Ayul karaka means Saturn rules one's longevity, the parivarthana of Saturn in

his horoscope may be the reason for long life and did not commit suicide like

attmepts so far or like Hitler did in the past. I pressume that somehow his

life span may be stretched more and there is can be a chance for him to spend

the life prison but we have to wait and see. To put in a safer way the

parivarthana of Saturn and Jupiter so far helped him to have a long life.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.Anna <bona_mente > wrote:

Dear Jay,

Dear Sarajit,

 

Thanks so much for this on PY- I somehow missed/lost?/ this Sarajit's text, my

experience so far does confirms its, validity so this came at the right time

for me, to further explore this area.

 

Warmest wishes,

Anna"J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Anna,

For the benefit of all:

The credit for having some material regarding Parivartana goes here to Sarajit

who about a year ago mailed the following (I reproduce his mail "as is" - hope

it's ok):

 

-------------------------

Sarajit's mail:

There are three sort of Parivartana yogas;

1) Maha yoga: The inter-exchange of 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords with each other.

Effect of Maha Parivartana Yoga: fortunate, wealthy, well dressed, receives

gifts, influenctial company, commands vehicles and property.

 

2) Kahal yoga: The interchange of 3rd lord with either 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11.

Effect of Kahal Parivartana Yoga: Cyclical ups and down in destiny, regain

the lost prosperity, hardship, fickleminded.

 

3) Dainya yoga: The interchange of 6,8,12 lords with either 1,2,3,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords.

Effect of Dainya Parivartana Yoga: Unlucky, mean, hasty nature, questionable

character, suffer from enemies and diseases.

 

For example if lord of 10th make interchange with 8th lord then its called

Dainya parivartana yoga, but the same 10th lord if interchanges with 9th lord

produces Maha parivartana yoga.

 

In parivartana, one feature should be borne in mind. Apart from luminaries all

other five grahas contain lordhip of 2 sings. Now let suppose a chart where

Taurus rises as lagna, and Venus is Capricorn and Saturn is in Taurus. Here

Venus holds the lordship of 1st and 6th house and Saturn holds the lordship of

9th and 10th houses. In above case (Taurus lagna), the parivartna between Venus

and Saturn is called Maha yoga(interchange b/w 1st and 9th), not the Dainya

yoga(between 6th with 10th lords).

 

Besides Parivartana, when lords of dushtana bhava (6,8,12) interchange they

produce yoga called "Vipreeta", i.e. cancellation of maleficent. (Vipreet also

happens when dushtana lords conjoins in dushtana bhava). And if this

interchange is devoid of other impurities/aspects then it is equals to raj yoga

in effect. (Similarly when lords of kendra meet lords of trikoona in good houses

then this is also called "Kendra-Trikoona Raja Yoga", provided none is

afflicted).

 

The premise for Vipareeta Rajayoga is that the dusthana lords should be "Weakly

placed" in a dusthana. Now if the 8th lord is placed with 12th lord in 12th

house, they are not that weak. Because, 12th lord will be placed in its own

house. You can judge the navamsa positions for these planets. If they are in

debilitated navamsa then also the yogas shall function to good extent. However

for Sagittarius Lagna, Moon is the 8th lord and if placed with Mars in the 12th

house, there shall be rajayoga as Moon is debilitated and making Mars also weak

with association.

 

However never miss the association/ influence of the HL, GL who are the givers

of fortune and power...

Sarajit

------------------------end Sarajit's mail-----------------------Regards

/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Anna

vedic astrology

Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:23 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

Dear Jay,

 

This is very interesting- haven't heard much on Parivartana Yoga-

I am wondering if any PY involving dusthana can be beneficial?I've noticed for

example, PY btw. 6th and 7th house is'of dubious nature'

Having always in mind what the nature of planets involved is, what planets

leave 'behind' in the houses they leave, what environment they meet in a new house,

their friendship and other relevant

variables, it seems that you explored this issue further- all other things being

OK/as per above/ do you think that mere lordship ove dusthana can/cannot have a

decisive say in PY?

Thanks,

Best wishes,

Anna "J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ramani,

 

Longevity is always a hard nut to break, none the less in Saddams case.

Exchange between the 8th and 10th lords is called Dainya Parivartana Yoga and is

never good (Unlucky, mean, hasty nature, questionable character, suffer from

enemies and diseases).

I am working on it currently (as time allows) and will reply as soon as I feel

"safe" with my assumption.

 

A note on Martin Schulman books: please remember that he is "thinking" western

system i.e houses etc.

(try the sound of tiny "Retrograde Pluto" 6 billion(!) Km' away...) <smile>.

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Ramani Alwar

vedic astrology

Monday, December 15, 2003 9:06 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein ->

Dear Jay Weiss,

About retrograde planets, Martin Schulman and Erin Sullivan bith wrote

very nicely. Of course I have gone through the Moon's nodes book by Martin

Schulman. I will try to get a copy Karmic Relations as you say.

Weiss,

Here in the given case what about the longevity of this Saddam since Saturn and

Jupiter are in parivarthana (exchange of houses) and have enough strength?

Becuase at this point everyone is curious about the verdict of this native.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.

 

 

 

"J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ramani Alwar,

 

Very good that you mentioned Martin Schulman's book.

I have been using it for years and much of his indication do apply very often.

If you have his book "Karmic Relations" you will be able to expend your horizon

even more.

 

Kind regards/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Ramani Alwar

vedic astrology

Monday, December 15, 2003 6:48 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein

Hello Venkatrama Sastry jee,

Arrogance and Cruelty of this native is the gift of retrograde Mars by

Martin Schulman, in his book on retrograde and Reincarnatioin he mentions that

for Mars retrograde at the sixth house as 'Here the individual is caught

between conflict of how much he should do for others and how much he should he

should for himself. He tends to resent others telling hin how to do things and

yet he consciously wants their advice. Highly independent, he strives to be the

ruler of his own life amidst a flood of external circumstances that dictate the

direction of his energies. And so on...... I believe the Cruelty is due to the

planet of Mars and that is retrograde in nature at his own sign and joins the

Moon and Rahu. Here we can learn the effect of two debilitated planets conjunct

with the retrograde Mars.

 

The conjunction of debilitated Moon and Rahu accounts for the Guru mangala yoga

to act in a reverse fashion.

 

The debility of Jupiter can account for the religious intolerance by some means.

 

Further I leave with a query the lord of the 8/9th house is in parivarthana with

the lord of the 10th house. can this give a long life to this native? Further

the lord of the 8th house is with the exalted planet Venus and the Venus gets

Vargottama too. That is what a few astrologers will look in depth at present

and also to understand the Mundane and natal chart.

Bye now

 

Can a learned member of this group let us know what indications in Saddam's

natal chart indicate cruelty, arrogance, violence caused, religious

intolerance, loss of sons etc?-VRS

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Thanks a lot- this will help round up my knowledge of PY- very good summary!

All warmest regards,

AnnaRamani Alwar <aramani_1969 > wrote:

Hello Anna

I would like to add little bit more in parivarthana yoga, of course not

much new in this.

Parivarthana Yoga

Parivarthana yoga is nothing but the exchange of houses between any

planets in the given natal chart. Out of nine planets Rahu and Ketu do not have

any houses as their own houses. Sun has its own house which is Leo, Moon has

Cancer, Mars has two houses namely Aries and Scorpio, Mercury’s houses are

Gemini and Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces are the houses of Jupiter, Venus owns

Taurus and Libra and the rest of the houses are owned by Saturn. If any two

planets exchange their houses it is said to be Parivarthana yoga. Parivarthana

yoga is believed to be powerful yoga than the rest of the yoga because the

planets exchange their houses are powerful like that of the exalted planets. In

practice the planets under exchange do the duty of the houses in which they are

placed. Since seven planets have

their own houses theoretically six planets can undergo Parivarthana yoga.

One of the important horoscopes to analyse the Parivarthana yoga is the

horoscope of ex prime minister of India named Indira Gandhi. She got three

Parivarthana yoga in her natal chart. Her ascendant is Cancer, the lord of the

ascendant was in exchange with the seventh house lord, The lord of the second

house and the lord of the fifth houses were in exchange of house, and the Venus

and Jupiter were in exchange of their houses, where Jupiter was placed in Taurus

and Venus was in Sagittarius. These three exchanges of houses were responsible

for her achievements in life as a Prime minister.

Out of all the Parivarthana yoga the Parivarthana between the lord

of Kendra and Trikona is very powerful whereas the Parivarthana between the

lord of fifth and ninth house is very weak and cannot render any benefic

results. Among the Parivarthana between the Kendra and Trikona the exchange of

houses between the lord of the tenth and ninth houses is powerful and said to

be Dharma Karmathipathi yoga. This yoga brings an enormous wealth, they lead

the others by showing the path how to earn money for living in this world,

during the dasa of the these lords the native can make a foreign trip in terms

of business and earn a lot of money to lead the rest of the life, they become

very familiar

and popular and in the native they get an authoritative job as per the education of the native.

Another important yoga in the Parivarthana yoga is Andiya Vayasu

Dhana Yoga, it is due to the exchange of houses between the lord of the first

and second houses. This yoga brings popularity and wealth in the later part of

life irrespective of whatever may be the dasa, the native can get an honourable

job. But the negative part of this yoga is that the native suffers in the

earlier part of life. After the age of 33 onwards the native will earn money by

virtue of his/her own efforts till the age of 55.

`In the horoscope 6th, 8th and 12th houses are considered as malefic

houses. The lords of those houses if exchange their houses Vipreet Raja Yoga

arises. Usually the people those suddenly become a Crore pathi have this yoga

in their natal chart. During the dasa or bhuthi of those planets Jackpot and

lottery like lucks reach the native. Sometimes the lord of the 3rd house also

considered in the Vipreet Raja Yoga. One of the important factor factor is to

be considered is if the Vipreet raja yoga is due to exchange of houses between

the lord of the 8th and 6th houses. The dasa of the lord of the 6th houses

brings the death to the person if the longevity of the person is ineffective.

If the lord of the 3rd house exchange the houses with 4th, 5th, 7th,

9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses is said to be Kala Parivarthana yoga. These

people come up in life by their hard work and they get unexpected positive

results in life.

Except the 3rd, 6th, 8th and 12th house lords the rest of the

planets if undergo exchange of houses it is considered as Maha Bhagya

Parivarthana yoga. The result of this raja yoga is unnecessary to explain since

the name itself signifies the result of this yoga.

Kesari Yoga is due to the exchange of houses between Moon and

Jupiter, the results of this yoga is similar to that of Gaja Kesari Yoga.

Vedanda Yoga arises if Venus and Jupiter exchange their houses, as

per this yoga the married life becomes harmonious with luxury.

When Mercury undergoes Parivarthana education of the native becomes

very sound. People having the Parivarthana yoga come up in life one or the

other way.

 

 

Here in this case of Saddam Hussein the parivarthana yoga that is the exchange

of houses between Saturn and jupiter mentions that his life is little bit

longer that is why he did not commit suicide or anything and prolonging. Saturn

in Ayul karaka means Saturn rules one's longevity, the parivarthana of Saturn in

his horoscope may be the reason for long life and did not commit suicide like

attmepts so far or like Hitler did in the past. I pressume that somehow his

life span may be stretched more and there is can be a chance for him to spend

the life prison but we have to wait and see. To put in a safer way the

parivarthana of Saturn and Jupiter so far helped him to have a long life.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.Anna <bona_mente > wrote:

Dear Jay,

Dear Sarajit,

 

Thanks so much for this on PY- I somehow missed/lost?/ this Sarajit's text, my

experience so far does confirms its, validity so this came at the right time

for me, to further explore this area.

 

Warmest wishes,

Anna"J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Anna,

For the benefit of all:

The credit for having some material regarding Parivartana goes here to Sarajit

who about a year ago mailed the following (I reproduce his mail "as is" - hope

it's ok):

 

-------------------------

Sarajit's mail:

There are three sort of Parivartana yogas;

1) Maha yoga: The inter-exchange of 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords with each other.

Effect of Maha Parivartana Yoga: fortunate, wealthy, well dressed, receives

gifts, influenctial company, commands vehicles and property.

 

2) Kahal yoga: The interchange of 3rd lord with either 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11.

Effect of Kahal Parivartana Yoga: Cyclical ups and down in destiny, regain

the lost prosperity, hardship, fickleminded.

 

3) Dainya yoga: The interchange of 6,8,12 lords with either 1,2,3,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords.

Effect of Dainya Parivartana Yoga: Unlucky, mean, hasty nature, questionable

character, suffer from enemies and diseases.

 

For example if lord of 10th make interchange with 8th lord then its called

Dainya parivartana yoga, but the same 10th lord if interchanges with 9th lord

produces Maha parivartana yoga.

 

In parivartana, one feature should be borne in mind. Apart from luminaries all

other five grahas contain lordhip of 2 sings. Now let suppose a chart where

Taurus rises as lagna, and Venus is Capricorn and Saturn is in Taurus. Here

Venus holds the lordship of 1st and 6th house and Saturn holds the lordship of

9th and 10th houses. In above case (Taurus lagna), the parivartna between Venus

and Saturn is called Maha yoga(interchange b/w 1st and 9th), not the Dainya

yoga(between 6th with 10th lords).

 

Besides Parivartana, when lords of dushtana bhava (6,8,12) interchange they

produce yoga called "Vipreeta", i.e. cancellation of maleficent. (Vipreet also

happens when dushtana lords conjoins in dushtana bhava). And if this

interchange is devoid of other impurities/aspects then it is equals to raj yoga

in effect. (Similarly when lords of kendra meet lords of trikoona in good houses

then this is also called "Kendra-Trikoona Raja Yoga", provided none is

afflicted).

 

The premise for Vipareeta Rajayoga is that the dusthana lords should be "Weakly

placed" in a dusthana. Now if the 8th lord is placed with 12th lord in 12th

house, they are not that weak. Because, 12th lord will be placed in its own

house. You can judge the navamsa positions for these planets. If they are in

debilitated navamsa then also the yogas shall function to good extent. However

for Sagittarius Lagna, Moon is the 8th lord and if placed with Mars in the 12th

house, there shall be rajayoga as Moon is debilitated and making Mars also weak

with association.

 

However never miss the association/ influence of the HL, GL who are the givers

of fortune and power...

Sarajit

------------------------end Sarajit's mail-----------------------Regards

/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Anna

vedic astrology

Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:23 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

Dear Jay,

 

This is very interesting- haven't heard much on Parivartana Yoga-

I am wondering if any PY involving dusthana can be beneficial?I've noticed for

example, PY btw. 6th and 7th house is'of dubious nature'

Having always in mind what the nature of planets involved is, what planets

leave 'behind' in the houses they leave, what environment they meet in a new house,

their friendship and other relevant

variables, it seems that you explored this issue further- all other things being

OK/as per above/ do you think that mere lordship ove dusthana can/cannot have a

decisive say in PY?

Thanks,

Best wishes,

Anna "J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ramani,

 

Longevity is always a hard nut to break, none the less in Saddams case.

Exchange between the 8th and 10th lords is called Dainya Parivartana Yoga and is

never good (Unlucky, mean, hasty nature, questionable character, suffer from

enemies and diseases).

I am working on it currently (as time allows) and will reply as soon as I feel

"safe" with my assumption.

 

A note on Martin Schulman books: please remember that he is "thinking" western

system i.e houses etc.

(try the sound of tiny "Retrograde Pluto" 6 billion(!) Km' away...) <smile>.

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Ramani Alwar

vedic astrology

Monday, December 15, 2003 9:06 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein ->

Dear Jay Weiss,

About retrograde planets, Martin Schulman and Erin Sullivan bith wrote

very nicely. Of course I have gone through the Moon's nodes book by Martin

Schulman. I will try to get a copy Karmic Relations as you say.

Weiss,

Here in the given case what about the longevity of this Saddam since Saturn and

Jupiter are in parivarthana (exchange of houses) and have enough strength?

Becuase at this point everyone is curious about the verdict of this native.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.

 

 

 

"J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ramani Alwar,

 

Very good that you mentioned Martin Schulman's book.

I have been using it for years and much of his indication do apply very often.

If you have his book "Karmic Relations" you will be able to expend your horizon

even more.

 

Kind regards/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Ramani Alwar

vedic astrology

Monday, December 15, 2003 6:48 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein

Hello Venkatrama Sastry jee,

Arrogance and Cruelty of this native is the gift of retrograde Mars by

Martin Schulman, in his book on retrograde and Reincarnatioin he mentions that

for Mars retrograde at the sixth house as 'Here the individual is caught

between conflict of how much he should do for others and how much he should he

should for himself. He tends to resent others telling hin how to do things and

yet he consciously wants their advice. Highly independent, he strives to be the

ruler of his own life amidst a flood of external circumstances that dictate the

direction of his energies. And so on...... I believe the Cruelty is due to the

planet of Mars and that is retrograde in nature at his own sign and joins the

Moon and Rahu. Here we can learn the effect of two debilitated planets conjunct

with the retrograde Mars.

 

The conjunction of debilitated Moon and Rahu accounts for the Guru mangala yoga

to act in a reverse fashion.

 

The debility of Jupiter can account for the religious intolerance by some means.

 

Further I leave with a query the lord of the 8/9th house is in parivarthana with

the lord of the 10th house. can this give a long life to this native? Further

the lord of the 8th house is with the exalted planet Venus and the Venus gets

Vargottama too. That is what a few astrologers will look in depth at present

and also to understand the Mundane and natal chart.

Bye now

 

Can a learned member of this group let us know what indications in Saddam's

natal chart indicate cruelty, arrogance, violence caused, religious

intolerance, loss of sons etc?-VRS

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">|| Jaya Jagannath ||

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Anna,

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">In addition to whatever is written just

remember, parivartana is characterised by complete change (reversal) in some

aspect of life as shown by the concerned planet. Ramani has given a good

example of Ms. India Gandhi, ex PM of

color:navy">India

color:navy">, who changed to a influential PM from a

housewife, who never dreamt of becoming a politician.

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Parivartana - Anna + (was Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

 

Dear Ramani,

Thanks a lot- this will help round up my knowledge of

PY- very good summary!

All warmest regards,

Anna

Ramani Alwar

<aramani_1969 > wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

Hello Anna

I would

like to add little bit more in parivarthana yoga, of course not much new in

this.

Parivarthana Yoga

Parivarthana yoga is nothing but the exchange of houses between any

planets in the given natal chart. Out of nine planets Rahu and Ketu do not have

any houses as their own houses. Sun has its own house which is Leo, Moon has

Cancer, Mars has two houses namely Aries and Scorpio, Mercury’s houses

are Gemini and Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces are the houses of Jupiter, Venus

owns Taurus and Libra and the rest of the houses are owned by Saturn. If any

two planets exchange their houses it is said to be Parivarthana yoga.

Parivarthana yoga is believed to be powerful yoga than the rest of the yoga

because the planets exchange their houses are powerful like that of the exalted

planets. In practice the planets under exchange do the duty of the houses in

which they are placed. Since seven planets have their own houses theoretically

six planets can undergo Parivarthana yoga.

One of the

important horoscopes to analyse the Parivarthana yoga is the horoscope of ex

prime minister of India

named Indira Gandhi. She got three Parivarthana yoga in her natal chart. Her

ascendant is Cancer, the lord of the ascendant was in exchange with the seventh

house lord, The lord of the second house and the lord of the fifth houses were

in exchange of house, and the Venus and Jupiter were in exchange of their

houses, where Jupiter was placed in Taurus and Venus was in Sagittarius. These

three exchanges of houses were responsible for her achievements in life as a

Prime minister.

1"> Out of all the

Parivarthana yoga the Parivarthana between the lord of Kendra and Trikona is

very powerful whereas the Parivarthana between the lord of fifth and ninth

house is very weak and cannot render any benefic results. Among the

Parivarthana between the Kendra and Trikona the exchange of houses between the

lord of the tenth and ninth houses is powerful and said to be

mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Dharma Karmathipathi yoga. This yoga

brings an enormous wealth, they lead the others by showing the path how to earn

money for living in this world, during the dasa of the these lords the native

can make a foreign trip in terms of business and earn a lot of money to lead

the rest of the life, they become very familiar and popular and in the native

they get an authoritative job as per the education of the native.

1"> Another important

yoga in the Parivarthana yoga is

normal;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Andiya Vayasu Dhana Yoga,

it is due to the exchange of houses between the lord of the first and second

houses. This yoga brings popularity and wealth in the later part of life

irrespective of whatever may be the dasa, the native can get an honourable job.

But the negative part of this yoga is that the native suffers in the earlier

part of life. After the age of 33 onwards the native will earn money by virtue

of his/her own efforts till the age of 55.

1"> `In the horoscope 6th,

8th and 12th houses are considered as malefic houses. The

lords of those houses if exchange

their houses Vipreet Raja Yoga arises. Usually the people those suddenly become

a Crore pathi have this yoga in their natal chart. During the dasa or bhuthi of

those planets Jackpot and lottery like lucks reach the native. Sometimes the

lord of the 3rd house also considered in the Vipreet Raja Yoga. One

of the important factor factor is to be considered is if the Vipreet raja yoga is due to

exchange of houses between the lord of the 8th and 6th

houses. The dasa of the lord of the 6th houses brings the death to

the person if the longevity of the person is ineffective.

1"> If the lord of the 3rd

house exchange the houses with 4th, 5th, 7th,

9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses is

said to be Kala Parivarthana yoga. These people come up in life by their hard

work and they get unexpected positive results in life.

1"> Except the 3rd,

6th, 8th and 12th house lords the rest of the

planets if undergo exchange of houses it is considered as Maha Bhagya

Parivarthana yoga. The result of this raja yoga is unnecessary to explain since

the name itself signifies the result of this yoga.

1"> Kesari Yoga is due

to the exchange of houses between Moon and Jupiter, the results of this yoga is

similar to that of Gaja Kesari Yoga.

1"> Vedanda Yoga arises

if Venus and Jupiter exchange their houses, as per this yoga the married life

becomes harmonious with luxury.

1"> When Mercury

undergoes Parivarthana education of the native becomes very sound. People

having the Parivarthana yoga come up in life one or the other way.

 

 

Here in this case of Saddam Hussein the parivarthana

yoga that is the exchange of houses between Saturn and jupiter mentions that

his life is little bit longer that is why he did not commit suicide or anything

and prolonging. Saturn in Ayul karaka means Saturn rules one's longevity, the

parivarthana of Saturn in his horoscope may be the reason for long life and did

not commit suicide like attmepts so far or like Hitler did in the past. I

pressume that somehow his life span may be stretched more and there is can be a

chance for him to spend the life prison but we have to wait and see. To put in

a safer way the parivarthana of Saturn and Jupiter so far helped him to have a

long life.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.

Anna

<bona_mente > wrote:

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Dear Jay,

Dear Sarajit,

 

Thanks so much for this on PY- I somehow missed/lost?/

this Sarajit's text, my experience so far does confirms

its, validity so this came at the right time for me, to further

explore this area.

 

Warmest wishes,

Anna

"J.-Weiss"

<jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

Dear Anna,

For the benefit of all:

The credit for having some material

regarding Parivartana goes here to Sarajit who about a year

ago mailed the following (I reproduce his mail "as is" - hope it's

ok):

 

-------------------------

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..5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial">There are three sort of Parivartana yogas;

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial">1) Maha yoga: The inter-exchange of 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11

lords with each other.

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Effect of Maha Parivartana Yoga: fortunate, wealthy, well dressed,

receives

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gifts, influenctial company, commands vehicles and property.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial">2) Kahal yoga: The interchange of 3rd lord with

either 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11.

..5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> Effect of Kahal Parivartana Yoga:

Cyclical ups and down in destiny, regain

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the lost prosperity, hardship, fickleminded.

..5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt">

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial">3) Dainya yoga: The interchange of 6,8,12 lords with

either 1,2,3,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords.

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Effect of Dainya Parivartana Yoga: Unlucky, mean, hasty nature,

questionable

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character, suffer from enemies and diseases.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial">For example if lord of 10th make interchange

with 8th lord then its called Dainya parivartana yoga, but the same 10th lord

if interchanges with 9th lord produces Maha parivartana yoga.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial">In parivartana, one feature should be borne in mind.

Apart from luminaries all other five grahas contain lordhip of 2 sings. Now let

suppose a chart where Taurus rises as lagna, and Venus is Capricorn and

Saturn is in Taurus. Here Venus holds the lordship of 1st and 6th house

and Saturn holds the lordship of 9th and 10th houses. In above

case (Taurus lagna), the parivartna between Venus and Saturn is called

Maha yoga(interchange b/w 1st and 9th), not the Dainya yoga(between 6th with 10th

lords).

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Besides Parivartana, when lords of dushtana bhava

(6,8,12) interchange they produce yoga called "Vipreeta", i.e.

cancellation of maleficent. (Vipreet also happens when dushtana lords conjoins

in dushtana bhava). And if this interchange is devoid of other

impurities/aspects then it is equals to raj yoga in effect. (Similarly

when lords of kendra meet lords of trikoona in good houses then this is also

called "Kendra-Trikoona Raja Yoga", provided none is afflicted).

 

The premise for Vipareeta Rajayoga

is that the dusthana lords should be "Weakly placed" in a

dusthana. Now if the 8th lord is placed with 12th lord in 12th house, they are

not that weak. Because, 12th lord will be placed in its own house. You can

judge the navamsa positions for these planets. If they are in debilitated

navamsa then also the yogas shall function to good extent. However for

Sagittarius Lagna, Moon is the 8th lord and if placed with Mars in the 12th

house, there shall be rajayoga as Moon is debilitated and making Mars also weak

with association.

 

However never miss the association/

influence of the HL, GL who are the givers of fortune and power...

Sarajit

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Regards

/Jay Weiss

http://www.alvicomm.com

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Anna

vedic astrology

Wednesday,

December 17, 2003 1:23 AM

Re:

[vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

 

Dear Jay,

 

This is very interesting- haven't heard much on

Parivartana Yoga-

I am wondering if any PY involving dusthana can be

beneficial?

I've noticed for example, PY btw. 6th and 7th house is'of dubious nature'

Having always in mind what the nature of planets involved is, what planets

leave 'behind' in the houses they leave, what

environment they meet in a new house,

their friendship and other relevant

variables, it seems that you explored this

issue further- all other things being OK/as per above/ do you

think that mere lordship ove dusthana can/cannot have a decisive say in PY?

Thanks,

Best wishes,

Anna

"J.-Weiss"

<jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

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Dear Ramani,

 

Longevity is always a hard nut to

break, none the less in Saddams case.

Exchange between the 8th and 10th

lords is called Dainya Parivartana Yoga and is never good (Unlucky, mean,

hasty nature, questionable character, suffer from enemies and diseases).

I am working on it currently (as

time allows) and will reply as soon as I feel "safe" with my

assumption.

 

A note on Martin Schulman books:

please remember that he is "thinking" western system i.e houses

etc.

(try the sound of tiny

"Retrograde Pluto" 6 billion(!) Km' away...) <smile>.

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weiss

http://www.alvicomm.com

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Ramani

Alwar

vedic astrology

Monday,

December 15, 2003 9:06 PM

Re:

[vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein ->

 

Dear Jay Weiss,

About

retrograde planets, Martin Schulman and Erin Sullivan bith wrote very nicely.

Of course I have gone through the Moon's nodes book by Martin Schulman. I will

try to get a copy Karmic Relations as you say.

Weiss,

Here in the given case what about the longevity of

this Saddam since Saturn and Jupiter are in parivarthana (exchange of houses)

and have enough strength? Becuase at this point everyone is curious about the

verdict of this native.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.

 

 

 

"J.-Weiss"

<jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

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Dear Ramani Alwar,

 

Very good that you mentioned Martin

Schulman's book.

I have been using it for years and

much of his indication do apply very often.

If you have his book "Karmic

Relations" you will be able to expend your horizon even

more.

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weiss

http://www.alvicomm.com

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Ramani

Alwar

vedic astrology

Monday,

December 15, 2003 6:48 PM

Re:

[vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein

 

Hello Venkatrama Sastry jee,

Arrogance and Cruelty of this native is the gift of retrograde Mars by Martin

Schulman, in his book on retrograde and Reincarnatioin he mentions that for

Mars retrograde at the sixth house as 'Here

the individual is caught between conflict of how much he should do for others

and how much he should he should for himself. He tends to resent others telling

hin how to do things and yet he consciously wants their advice. Highly

independent, he strives to be the ruler of his own life amidst a flood of

external circumstances that dictate the direction of his energies. And so

on...... I believe the Cruelty is due to the planet of Mars and

that is retrograde in nature at his own sign and joins the Moon and Rahu. Here

we can learn the effect of two debilitated planets conjunct with the retrograde

Mars.

 

The conjunction

of debilitated Moon and Rahu accounts for the Guru mangala yoga to act in a

reverse fashion.

 

The debility

of Jupiter can account for the religious intolerance by some means.

 

Further I leave with a query the lord of the 8/9th

house is in parivarthana with the lord of the 10th house. can this give a long

life to this native? Further the lord of the 8th house is with the exalted

planet Venus and the Venus gets Vargottama too. That is what a few astrologers

will look in depth at present and also to understand the Mundane and natal

chart.

Bye now

 

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indications in

Saddam's natal chart indicate cruelty, arrogance,

violence caused,

religious intolerance, loss of sons etc?

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remember, parivartana is characterised by complete change (reversal) in some aspect

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Ms. India Gandhi, ex PM of India, who changed to a influential PM from a

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Wednesday, December 17, 2003

6:32 PM

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Re: [vedic astrology] Re:

Parivartana - Anna + (was Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

 

Dear Ramani,

Thanks a lot- this will help round up my knowledge of

PY- very good summary!

All warmest regards,

Anna

Ramani Alwar

<aramani_1969 > wrote:

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Hello Anna

I would

like to add little bit more in parivarthana yoga, of course not much new in

this.

Parivarthana Yoga

Parivarthana yoga is nothing but the exchange of houses between any planets in

the given natal chart. Out of nine planets Rahu and Ketu do not have any houses

as their own houses. Sun has its own house which is Leo, Moon has Cancer, Mars

has two houses namely Aries and Scorpio, Mercury’s houses are Gemini and

Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces are the houses of Jupiter, Venus owns Taurus and

Libra and the rest of the houses are owned by Saturn. If any two planets

exchange their houses it is said to be Parivarthana yoga. Parivarthana yoga is

believed to be powerful yoga than the rest of the yoga because the planets

exchange their houses are powerful like that of the exalted planets. In

practice the planets under exchange do the duty of the houses in which they are

placed. Since seven planets have their own houses theoretically six planets can

undergo Parivarthana yoga.

One of the important horoscopes to analyse the Parivarthana yoga is the

horoscope of ex prime minister of India named Indira Gandhi. She got three

Parivarthana yoga in her natal chart. Her ascendant is Cancer, the lord of the

ascendant was in exchange with the seventh house lord, The lord of the second

house and the lord of the fifth houses were in exchange of house, and the Venus

and Jupiter were in exchange of their houses, where Jupiter was placed in

Taurus and Venus was in Sagittarius. These three exchanges of houses were

responsible for her achievements in life as a Prime minister.

Out

of all the Parivarthana yoga the Parivarthana between the lord of Kendra and

Trikona is very powerful whereas the Parivarthana between the lord of fifth and

ninth house is very weak and cannot render any benefic results. Among the

Parivarthana between the Kendra and Trikona the exchange of houses between the

lord of the tenth and ninth houses is powerful and said to be Dharma Karmathipathi yoga.

This yoga brings an enormous wealth, they lead the others by showing the path

how to earn money for living in this world, during the dasa of the these lords

the native can make a foreign trip in terms of business and earn a lot of money

to lead the rest of the life, they become very familiar and popular and in the

native they get an authoritative job as per the education of the native.

Another

important yoga in the Parivarthana yoga is

font-style:italic">Andiya Vayasu Dhana Yoga, it is due to the

exchange of houses between the lord of the first and second houses. This yoga

brings popularity and wealth in the later part of life irrespective of whatever

may be the dasa, the native can get an honourable job. But the negative part of

this yoga is that the native suffers in the earlier part of life. After the age

of 33 onwards the native will earn money by virtue of his/her own efforts till

the age of 55.

`In

the horoscope 6th, 8th and 12th houses are

considered as malefic houses. The lords of those houses if exchange their

houses Vipreet Raja Yoga arises. Usually the people those suddenly become a

Crore pathi have this yoga in their natal chart. During the dasa or bhuthi of

those planets Jackpot and lottery like lucks reach the native. Sometimes the

lord of the 3rd house also considered in the Vipreet Raja Yoga. One

of the important factor factor is to be considered is if the Vipreet raja

yoga is due to exchange of houses between the lord of the 8th and 6th

houses. The dasa of the lord of the 6th houses brings the death to

the person if the longevity of the person is ineffective.

If

the lord of the 3rd house exchange the houses with 4th, 5th,

7th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th

houses is said to be Kala Parivarthana yoga. These people come up in life by

their hard work and they get unexpected positive results in life.

Except

the 3rd, 6th, 8th and 12th house

lords the rest of the planets if undergo exchange of houses it is considered as

Maha Bhagya Parivarthana yoga. The result of this raja yoga is unnecessary to

explain since the name itself signifies the result of this yoga.

Kesari

Yoga is due to the exchange of houses between Moon and Jupiter, the results of

this yoga is similar to that of Gaja Kesari Yoga.

Vedanda

Yoga arises if Venus and Jupiter exchange their houses, as per this yoga the

married life becomes harmonious with luxury.

When

Mercury undergoes Parivarthana education of the native becomes very sound.

People having the Parivarthana yoga come up in life one or the other way.

 

 

Here in this case of Saddam Hussein the parivarthana

yoga that is the exchange of houses between Saturn and jupiter mentions that

his life is little bit longer that is why he did not commit suicide or anything

and prolonging. Saturn in Ayul karaka means Saturn rules one's longevity, the

parivarthana of Saturn in his horoscope may be the reason for long life and did

not commit suicide like attmepts so far or like Hitler did in the past. I

pressume that somehow his life span may be stretched more and there is can be a

chance for him to spend the life prison but we have to wait and see. To put in

a safer way the parivarthana of Saturn and Jupiter so far helped him to have a

long life.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.

Anna

<bona_mente > wrote:

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Dear Jay,

Dear Sarajit,

 

Thanks so much for this on PY- I somehow missed/lost?/

this Sarajit's text, my experience so far does confirms

its, validity so this came at the right time for me, to further

explore this area.

 

Warmest wishes,

Anna

"J.-Weiss"

<jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

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Dear Anna,

For the benefit of all:

The credit for having some material

regarding Parivartana goes here to Sarajit who about a year

ago mailed the following (I reproduce his mail "as is" - hope it's

ok):

 

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Arial">Sarajit's mail:

..0001pt">

Arial">There are three sort of Parivartana yogas;

..0001pt">

Arial">1) Maha yoga: The inter-exchange of 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords with each

other.

..0001pt">

Arial"> Effect of Maha Parivartana Yoga: fortunate, wealthy,

well dressed, receives

..0001pt">

Arial"> gifts, influenctial company, commands vehicles and

property.

..0001pt">

Arial">

..0001pt">

Arial">2) Kahal yoga: The interchange of 3rd lord with either

1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11.

..0001pt">

Arial"> Effect of Kahal Parivartana Yoga: Cyclical ups and

down in destiny, regain

..0001pt">

Arial"> the lost prosperity, hardship, fickleminded.

..0001pt">

Arial">

..0001pt">

Arial">3) Dainya yoga: The interchange of 6,8,12 lords with either

1,2,3,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords.

..0001pt">

Arial"> Effect of Dainya Parivartana Yoga: Unlucky, mean,

hasty nature, questionable

..0001pt">

Arial"> character, suffer from enemies and diseases.

..0001pt">

Arial">

..0001pt">

Arial">For example if lord of 10th make interchange with 8th lord then its

called Dainya parivartana yoga, but the same 10th lord if interchanges

with 9th lord produces Maha parivartana yoga.

..0001pt">

Arial">

..0001pt">

Arial">In parivartana, one feature should be borne in mind. Apart from

luminaries all other five grahas contain lordhip of 2 sings. Now let suppose a

chart where Taurus rises as lagna, and Venus is Capricorn and Saturn is

in Taurus. Here Venus holds the lordship of 1st and 6th house and Saturn

holds the lordship of 9th and 10th houses. In above case (Taurus lagna), the

parivartna between Venus and Saturn is called Maha yoga(interchange b/w 1st and

9th), not the Dainya yoga(between 6th with 10th lords).

..0001pt">

Arial">

..0001pt">

Arial">Besides Parivartana, when lords of dushtana bhava

(6,8,12) interchange they produce yoga called "Vipreeta", i.e.

cancellation of maleficent. (Vipreet also happens when dushtana lords conjoins

in dushtana bhava). And if this interchange is devoid of other

impurities/aspects then it is equals to raj yoga in effect. (Similarly

when lords of kendra meet lords of trikoona in good houses then this is also

called "Kendra-Trikoona Raja Yoga", provided none is afflicted).

 

The premise for Vipareeta Rajayoga

is that the dusthana lords should be "Weakly placed" in a

dusthana. Now if the 8th lord is placed with 12th lord in 12th house, they are

not that weak. Because, 12th lord will be placed in its own house. You can

judge the navamsa positions for these planets. If they are in debilitated

navamsa then also the yogas shall function to good extent. However for

Sagittarius Lagna, Moon is the 8th lord and if placed with Mars in the 12th

house, there shall be rajayoga as Moon is debilitated and making Mars also weak

with association.

 

However never miss the association/

influence of the HL, GL who are the givers of fortune and power...

Sarajit

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Sarajit's mail-----------------------

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Anna

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December 17, 2003 1:23 AM

Re:

[vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

 

Dear Jay,

 

This is very interesting- haven't heard much on

Parivartana Yoga-

I am wondering if any PY involving dusthana can be

beneficial?

I've noticed for example, PY btw. 6th and 7th house is'of dubious nature'

Having always in mind what the nature of planets involved is, what planets

leave 'behind' in the houses they leave, what

environment they meet in a new house,

their friendship and other relevant

variables, it seems that you explored this

issue further- all other things being OK/as per above/ do you

think that mere lordship ove dusthana can/cannot have a decisive say in PY?

Thanks,

Best wishes,

Anna

"J.-Weiss"

<jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

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Dear Ramani,

 

Longevity is always a hard nut to

break, none the less in Saddams case.

Exchange between the 8th and 10th

lords is called Dainya Parivartana Yoga and is never good (Unlucky, mean,

hasty nature, questionable character, suffer from enemies and diseases).

I am working on it currently (as

time allows) and will reply as soon as I feel "safe" with my

assumption.

 

A note on Martin Schulman books:

please remember that he is "thinking" western system i.e houses

etc.

(try the sound of tiny

"Retrograde Pluto" 6 billion(!) Km' away...) <smile>.

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weiss

http://www.alvicomm.com

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Ramani

Alwar

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December 15, 2003 9:06 PM

Re:

[vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein ->

 

Dear Jay Weiss,

About

retrograde planets, Martin Schulman and Erin Sullivan bith wrote very nicely.

Of course I have gone through the Moon's nodes book by Martin Schulman. I will

try to get a copy Karmic Relations as you say.

Weiss,

Here in the given case what about the longevity of

this Saddam since Saturn and Jupiter are in parivarthana (exchange of houses)

and have enough strength? Becuase at this point everyone is curious about the

verdict of this native.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.

 

 

 

"J.-Weiss"

<jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

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Dear Ramani Alwar,

 

Very good that you mentioned Martin

Schulman's book.

I have been using it for years and

much of his indication do apply very often.

If you have his book "Karmic

Relations" you will be able to expend your horizon even

more.

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weiss

http://www.alvicomm.com

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Ramani

Alwar

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December 15, 2003 6:48 PM

Re:

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Hello Venkatrama Sastry jee,

Arrogance and Cruelty of this native is the gift of retrograde Mars by Martin

Schulman, in his book on retrograde and Reincarnatioin he mentions that for

Mars retrograde at the sixth house as 'Here

the individual is caught between conflict of how much he should do for others

and how much he should he should for himself. He tends to resent others telling

hin how to do things and yet he consciously wants their advice. Highly

independent, he strives to be the ruler of his own life amidst a flood of

external circumstances that dictate the direction of his energies. And so

on...... I believe the Cruelty is due to the planet of Mars and

that is retrograde in nature at his own sign and joins the Moon and Rahu. Here

we can learn the effect of two debilitated planets conjunct with the retrograde

Mars.

 

The conjunction

of debilitated Moon and Rahu accounts for the Guru mangala yoga to act in a

reverse fashion.

 

The debility

of Jupiter can account for the religious intolerance by some means.

 

Further I leave with a query the lord of the 8/9th house

is in parivarthana with the lord of the 10th house. can this give a long life

to this native? Further the lord of the 8th house is with the exalted planet

Venus and the Venus gets Vargottama too. That is what a few astrologers will

look in depth at present and also to understand the Mundane and natal chart.

Bye now

 

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Thanks for important point.

 

PVY:

"India Gandhi, ex PM of India, who changed to a influential PM from a housewife,

....in addition to AK replacement, we've recently learnt about?

AnnaSarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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Dear Anna,

 

In addition to whatever is written just remember, parivartana is characterised

by complete change (reversal) in some aspect of life as shown by the concerned

planet. Ramani has given a good example of Ms. India Gandhi, ex PM of India,

who changed to a influential PM from a housewife, who never dreamt of becoming

a politician.

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

 

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Wednesday, December 17, 2003 6:32 PMvedic astrologySubject:

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Parivartana - Anna + (was Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

 

Dear Ramani,

Thanks a lot- this will help round up my knowledge of PY- very good summary!

All warmest regards,

AnnaRamani Alwar <aramani_1969 > wrote:

Hello Anna

I would like to add little bit more in parivarthana yoga, of course not

much new in this.

Parivarthana Yoga

Parivarthana yoga is nothing but the exchange of houses between any

planets in the given natal chart. Out of nine planets Rahu and Ketu do not have

any houses as their own houses. Sun has its own house which is Leo, Moon has

Cancer, Mars has two houses namely Aries and Scorpio, Mercury’s houses are

Gemini and Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces are the houses of Jupiter, Venus owns

Taurus and Libra and the rest of the houses are owned by Saturn. If any two

planets exchange their houses it is said to be Parivarthana yoga. Parivarthana

yoga is believed to be powerful yoga than the rest of the yoga because the

planets exchange their houses are powerful like that of the exalted planets. In

practice the planets under exchange do the duty of the houses in which they are

placed. Since

seven planets have their own houses theoretically six planets can undergo Parivarthana yoga.

One of the important horoscopes to analyse the Parivarthana yoga is the

horoscope of ex prime minister of India named Indira Gandhi. She got three

Parivarthana yoga in her natal chart. Her ascendant is Cancer, the lord of the

ascendant was in exchange with the seventh house lord, The lord of the second

house and the lord of the fifth houses were in exchange of house, and the Venus

and Jupiter were in exchange of their houses, where Jupiter was placed in Taurus

and Venus was in Sagittarius. These three exchanges of houses were responsible

for her achievements in life as a Prime minister.

Out of all the Parivarthana yoga the Parivarthana between the lord of

Kendra and Trikona is very powerful whereas the Parivarthana between the lord

of fifth and ninth house is very weak and cannot render any benefic results.

Among the Parivarthana between the Kendra and Trikona the exchange of houses

between the lord of the tenth and ninth houses is powerful and said to be

Dharma Karmathipathi yoga. This yoga brings an enormous wealth, they lead the

others by showing the path how to earn money for living in this world, during

the dasa of the these lords the native

can make a foreign trip in terms of business and earn a lot of money to lead the

rest of the life, they become very familiar and popular and in the native they

get an authoritative job as per the education of the native.

Another important yoga in the Parivarthana yoga is Andiya Vayasu Dhana

Yoga, it is due to the exchange of houses between the lord of the first and

second houses. This yoga brings popularity and wealth in the later part of life

irrespective of whatever may be the dasa, the native can get an honourable job.

But the negative part of this yoga is that the native suffers in the earlier

part of life. After the age of 33 onwards the native will earn money by virtue

of his/her own efforts till the age of 55.

`In the horoscope 6th, 8th and 12th houses are considered as malefic

houses. The lords of those houses if exchange their houses Vipreet Raja Yoga

arises. Usually the people those suddenly become a Crore pathi have this yoga

in their natal chart. During the dasa or bhuthi of those planets Jackpot and

lottery like lucks reach the native. Sometimes the lord of the 3rd house also

considered in the Vipreet Raja Yoga. One of the important factor factor is to

be considered is if the Vipreet raja yoga is due to exchange of houses between

the lord of the 8th and 6th houses. The dasa of the lord of the 6th houses

brings the death to the person if the longevity of the person is ineffective.

If the lord of the 3rd house exchange the houses with 4th, 5th, 7th,

9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses is said to be Kala Parivarthana yoga. These

people come up in life by their hard work and they get unexpected positive

results in life.

Except the 3rd, 6th, 8th and 12th house lords the rest of the planets

if undergo exchange of houses it is considered as Maha Bhagya Parivarthana

yoga. The result of this raja yoga is unnecessary to explain since the name

itself signifies the result of this yoga.

Kesari Yoga is due to the exchange of houses between Moon and Jupiter,

the results of this yoga is similar to that of Gaja Kesari Yoga.

Vedanda Yoga arises if Venus and Jupiter exchange their houses, as per

this yoga the married life becomes harmonious with luxury.

When Mercury undergoes Parivarthana education of the native becomes

very sound. People having the Parivarthana yoga come up in life one or the

other way.

 

 

Here in this case of Saddam Hussein the parivarthana yoga that is the exchange

of houses between Saturn and jupiter mentions that his life is little bit

longer that is why he did not commit suicide or anything and prolonging. Saturn

in Ayul karaka means Saturn rules one's longevity, the parivarthana of Saturn in

his horoscope may be the reason for long life and did not commit suicide like

attmepts so far or like Hitler did in the past. I pressume that somehow his

life span may be stretched more and there is can be a chance for him to spend

the life prison but we have to wait and see. To put in a safer way the

parivarthana of Saturn and Jupiter so far helped him to have a long life.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.Anna <bona_mente > wrote:

Dear Jay,

Dear Sarajit,

 

Thanks so much for this on PY- I somehow missed/lost?/ this Sarajit's text, my

experience so far does confirms its, validity so this came at the right time

for me, to further explore this area.

 

Warmest wishes,

Anna"J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Anna,

For the benefit of all:

The credit for having some material regarding Parivartana goes here to Sarajit

who about a year ago mailed the following (I reproduce his mail "as is" - hope

it's ok):

 

-------------------------

Sarajit's mail:

There are three sort of Parivartana yogas;

1) Maha yoga: The inter-exchange of 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords with each other.

Effect of Maha Parivartana Yoga: fortunate, wealthy, well dressed, receives

gifts, influenctial company, commands vehicles and property.

 

2) Kahal yoga: The interchange of 3rd lord with either 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11.

Effect of Kahal Parivartana Yoga: Cyclical ups and down in destiny, regain

the lost prosperity, hardship, fickleminded.

 

3) Dainya yoga: The interchange of 6,8,12 lords with either 1,2,3,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords.

Effect of Dainya Parivartana Yoga: Unlucky, mean, hasty nature, questionable

character, suffer from enemies and diseases.

 

For example if lord of 10th make interchange with 8th lord then its called

Dainya parivartana yoga, but the same 10th lord if interchanges with 9th lord

produces Maha parivartana yoga.

 

In parivartana, one feature should be borne in mind. Apart from luminaries all

other five grahas contain lordhip of 2 sings. Now let suppose a chart where

Taurus rises as lagna, and Venus is Capricorn and Saturn is in Taurus. Here

Venus holds the lordship of 1st and 6th house and Saturn holds the lordship of

9th and 10th houses. In above case (Taurus lagna), the parivartna between Venus

and Saturn is called Maha yoga(interchange b/w 1st and 9th), not the Dainya

yoga(between 6th with 10th lords).

 

Besides Parivartana, when lords of dushtana bhava (6,8,12) interchange they

produce yoga called "Vipreeta", i.e. cancellation of maleficent. (Vipreet also

happens when dushtana lords conjoins in dushtana bhava). And if this

interchange is devoid of other impurities/aspects then it is equals to raj yoga

in effect. (Similarly when lords of kendra meet lords of trikoona in good houses

then this is also called "Kendra-Trikoona Raja Yoga", provided none is

afflicted).

 

The premise for Vipareeta Rajayoga is that the dusthana lords should be "Weakly

placed" in a dusthana. Now if the 8th lord is placed with 12th lord in 12th

house, they are not that weak. Because, 12th lord will be placed in its own

house. You can judge the navamsa positions for these planets. If they are in

debilitated navamsa then also the yogas shall function to good extent. However

for Sagittarius Lagna, Moon is the 8th lord and if placed with Mars in the 12th

house, there shall be rajayoga as Moon is debilitated and making Mars also weak

with association.

 

However never miss the association/ influence of the HL, GL who are the givers

of fortune and power...

Sarajit

------------------------end Sarajit's mail-----------------------Regards

/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

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Anna

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Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:23 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

 

Dear Jay,

 

This is very interesting- haven't heard much on Parivartana Yoga-

I am wondering if any PY involving dusthana can be beneficial?I've noticed for

example, PY btw. 6th and 7th house is'of dubious nature'

Having always in mind what the nature of planets involved is, what planets

leave 'behind' in the houses they leave, what environment they meet in a new house,

their friendship and other relevant

variables, it seems that you explored this issue further- all other things being

OK/as per above/ do you think that mere lordship ove dusthana can/cannot have a

decisive say in PY?

Thanks,

Best wishes,

Anna "J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ramani,

 

Longevity is always a hard nut to break, none the less in Saddams case.

Exchange between the 8th and 10th lords is called Dainya Parivartana Yoga and is

never good (Unlucky, mean, hasty nature, questionable character, suffer from

enemies and diseases).

I am working on it currently (as time allows) and will reply as soon as I feel

"safe" with my assumption.

 

A note on Martin Schulman books: please remember that he is "thinking" western

system i.e houses etc.

(try the sound of tiny "Retrograde Pluto" 6 billion(!) Km' away...) <smile>.

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Ramani Alwar

vedic astrology

Monday, December 15, 2003 9:06 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein ->

 

Dear Jay Weiss,

About retrograde planets, Martin Schulman and Erin Sullivan bith wrote

very nicely. Of course I have gone through the Moon's nodes book by Martin

Schulman. I will try to get a copy Karmic Relations as you say.

Weiss,

Here in the given case what about the longevity of this Saddam since Saturn and

Jupiter are in parivarthana (exchange of houses) and have enough strength?

Becuase at this point everyone is curious about the verdict of this native.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.

 

 

 

"J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ramani Alwar,

 

Very good that you mentioned Martin Schulman's book.

I have been using it for years and much of his indication do apply very often.

If you have his book "Karmic Relations" you will be able to expend your horizon

even more.

 

Kind regards/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Ramani Alwar

vedic astrology

Monday, December 15, 2003 6:48 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein

 

Hello Venkatrama Sastry jee,

Arrogance and Cruelty of this native is the gift of retrograde Mars by

Martin Schulman, in his book on retrograde and Reincarnatioin he mentions that

for Mars retrograde at the sixth house as 'Here the individual is caught

between conflict of how much he should do for others and how much he should he

should for himself. He tends to resent others telling hin how to do things and

yet he consciously wants their advice. Highly independent, he strives to be the

ruler of his own life amidst a flood of external circumstances that dictate the

direction of his energies. And so on...... I believe the Cruelty is due to the

planet of Mars and that is retrograde in nature at his own sign and joins the

Moon and Rahu. Here we can learn the effect of two debilitated planets conjunct

with

the retrograde Mars.

 

The conjunction of debilitated Moon and Rahu accounts for the Guru mangala yoga

to act in a reverse fashion.

 

The debility of Jupiter can account for the religious intolerance by some means.

 

Further I leave with a query the lord of the 8/9th house is in parivarthana with

the lord of the 10th house. can this give a long life to this native? Further

the lord of the 8th house is with the exalted planet Venus and the Venus gets

Vargottama too. That is what a few astrologers will look in depth at present

and also to understand the Mundane and natal chart.

Bye now

 

Can a learned member of this group let us know what indications in Saddam's

natal chart indicate cruelty, arrogance, violence caused, religious

intolerance, loss of sons etc?-VRS

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PY applies to varga charts as well. Mutual exchange between 9th and 10th L is

very beneficial, and the entire constelation is very good for professional

success/luck .

Exchange/reversal of issues of two houses, that Sarajit has just written about,

is excellent in this case- 9th is about Luck

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AnnaPrakash Desai <desaipr (AT) dslextreme (DOT) com> wrote:

How does one interpret PVY in the Divisional charts? Does it even apply? If so

how would we interpret PVY between 9th and 10th in D-10 with Capricorn

ascendant holding Saturn?

 

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Sarajit Poddar [sarajit (AT) (DOT) org] Friday, December

19, 2003 3:36 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE:

[vedic astrology] Re: Parivartana - Anna + (was Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

 

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Anna,

 

In addition to whatever is written just remember, parivartana is characterised

by complete change (reversal) in some aspect of life as shown by the concerned

planet. Ramani has given a good example of Ms. India Gandhi, ex PM of India,

who changed to a influential PM from a housewife, who never dreamt of becoming

a politician.

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

 

Anna [bona_mente ] Sent:

Wednesday, December 17, 2003 6:32 PMvedic astrologySubject:

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Parivartana - Anna + (was Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

 

Dear Ramani,

Thanks a lot- this will help round up my knowledge of PY- very good summary!

All warmest regards,

AnnaRamani Alwar <aramani_1969 > wrote:

Hello Anna

I would like to add little bit more in parivarthana yoga, of course not

much new in this.

Parivarthana Yoga

Parivarthana yoga is nothing but the exchange of houses between any

planets in the given natal chart. Out of nine planets Rahu and Ketu do not have

any houses as their own houses. Sun has its own house which is Leo, Moon has

Cancer, Mars has two houses namely Aries and Scorpio, Mercury’s houses are

Gemini and Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces are the houses of Jupiter, Venus owns

Taurus and Libra and the rest of the houses are owned by Saturn. If any two

planets exchange their houses it is said to be Parivarthana yoga. Parivarthana

yoga is believed to be powerful yoga than the rest of the yoga because the

planets exchange their houses are powerful like that of the exalted planets. In

practice the planets under exchange do the duty of the houses in which they are

placed. Since seven planets have their own houses

theoretically six planets can undergo Parivarthana yoga.

One of the important horoscopes to analyse the Parivarthana yoga is the

horoscope of ex prime minister of India named Indira Gandhi. She got three

Parivarthana yoga in her natal chart. Her ascendant is Cancer, the lord of the

ascendant was in exchange with the seventh house lord, The lord of the second

house and the lord of the fifth houses were in exchange of house, and the Venus

and Jupiter were in exchange of their houses, where Jupiter was placed in Taurus

and Venus was in Sagittarius. These three exchanges of houses were responsible

for her achievements in life as a Prime minister.

Out of all the Parivarthana yoga the Parivarthana between the lord of

Kendra and Trikona is very powerful whereas the Parivarthana between the lord

of fifth and ninth house is very weak and cannot render any benefic results.

Among the Parivarthana between the Kendra and Trikona the exchange of houses

between the lord of the tenth and ninth houses is powerful and said to be

Dharma Karmathipathi yoga. This yoga brings an enormous wealth, they lead the

others by showing the path how to earn money for living in this world, during

the dasa of the these lords the native can make a foreign trip in terms of

business and earn a lot of money to lead the rest of the life, they become very

familiar and popular and in the native they get an

authoritative job as per the education of the native.

Another important yoga in the Parivarthana yoga is Andiya Vayasu Dhana

Yoga, it is due to the exchange of houses between the lord of the first and

second houses. This yoga brings popularity and wealth in the later part of life

irrespective of whatever may be the dasa, the native can get an honourable job.

But the negative part of this yoga is that the native suffers in the earlier

part of life. After the age of 33 onwards the native will earn money by virtue

of his/her own efforts till the age of 55.

`In the horoscope 6th, 8th and 12th houses are considered as malefic

houses. The lords of those houses if exchange their houses Vipreet Raja Yoga

arises. Usually the people those suddenly become a Crore pathi have this yoga

in their natal chart. During the dasa or bhuthi of those planets Jackpot and

lottery like lucks reach the native. Sometimes the lord of the 3rd house also

considered in the Vipreet Raja Yoga. One of the important factor factor is to

be considered is if the Vipreet raja yoga is due to exchange of houses between

the lord of the 8th and 6th houses. The dasa of the lord of the 6th houses

brings the death to the person if the longevity of the person is ineffective.

If the lord of the 3rd house exchange the houses with 4th, 5th, 7th,

9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses is said to be Kala Parivarthana yoga. These

people come up in life by their hard work and they get unexpected positive

results in life.

Except the 3rd, 6th, 8th and 12th house lords the rest of the planets

if undergo exchange of houses it is considered as Maha Bhagya Parivarthana

yoga. The result of this raja yoga is unnecessary to explain since the name

itself signifies the result of this yoga.

Kesari Yoga is due to the exchange of houses between Moon and Jupiter,

the results of this yoga is similar to that of Gaja Kesari Yoga.

Vedanda Yoga arises if Venus and Jupiter exchange their houses, as per

this yoga the married life becomes harmonious with luxury.

When Mercury undergoes Parivarthana education of the native becomes

very sound. People having the Parivarthana yoga come up in life one or the

other way.

 

 

Here in this case of Saddam Hussein the parivarthana yoga that is the exchange

of houses between Saturn and jupiter mentions that his life is little bit

longer that is why he did not commit suicide or anything and prolonging. Saturn

in Ayul karaka means Saturn rules one's longevity, the parivarthana of Saturn in

his horoscope may be the reason for long life and did not commit suicide like

attmepts so far or like Hitler did in the past. I pressume that somehow his

life span may be stretched more and there is can be a chance for him to spend

the life prison but we have to wait and see. To put in a safer way the

parivarthana of Saturn and Jupiter so far helped him to have a long life.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.Anna <bona_mente > wrote:

Dear Jay,

Dear Sarajit,

 

Thanks so much for this on PY- I somehow missed/lost?/ this Sarajit's text, my

experience so far does confirms its, validity so this came at the right time

for me, to further explore this area.

 

Warmest wishes,

Anna"J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Anna,

For the benefit of all:

The credit for having some material regarding Parivartana goes here to Sarajit

who about a year ago mailed the following (I reproduce his mail "as is" - hope

it's ok):

 

-------------------------

Sarajit's mail:

There are three sort of Parivartana yogas;

1) Maha yoga: The inter-exchange of 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords with each other.

Effect of Maha Parivartana Yoga: fortunate, wealthy, well dressed, receives

gifts, influenctial company, commands vehicles and property.

 

2) Kahal yoga: The interchange of 3rd lord with either 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,11.

Effect of Kahal Parivartana Yoga: Cyclical ups and down in destiny, regain

the lost prosperity, hardship, fickleminded.

 

3) Dainya yoga: The interchange of 6,8,12 lords with either 1,2,3,4,5,7,9,10,11 lords.

Effect of Dainya Parivartana Yoga: Unlucky, mean, hasty nature, questionable

character, suffer from enemies and diseases.

 

For example if lord of 10th make interchange with 8th lord then its called

Dainya parivartana yoga, but the same 10th lord if interchanges with 9th lord

produces Maha parivartana yoga.

 

In parivartana, one feature should be borne in mind. Apart from luminaries all

other five grahas contain lordhip of 2 sings. Now let suppose a chart where

Taurus rises as lagna, and Venus is Capricorn and Saturn is in Taurus. Here

Venus holds the lordship of 1st and 6th house and Saturn holds the lordship of

9th and 10th houses. In above case (Taurus lagna), the parivartna between Venus

and Saturn is called Maha yoga(interchange b/w 1st and 9th), not the Dainya

yoga(between 6th with 10th lords).

 

Besides Parivartana, when lords of dushtana bhava (6,8,12) interchange they

produce yoga called "Vipreeta", i.e. cancellation of maleficent. (Vipreet also

happens when dushtana lords conjoins in dushtana bhava). And if this

interchange is devoid of other impurities/aspects then it is equals to raj yoga

in effect. (Similarly when lords of kendra meet lords of trikoona in good houses

then this is also called "Kendra-Trikoona Raja Yoga", provided none is

afflicted).

 

The premise for Vipareeta Rajayoga is that the dusthana lords should be "Weakly

placed" in a dusthana. Now if the 8th lord is placed with 12th lord in 12th

house, they are not that weak. Because, 12th lord will be placed in its own

house. You can judge the navamsa positions for these planets. If they are in

debilitated navamsa then also the yogas shall function to good extent. However

for Sagittarius Lagna, Moon is the 8th lord and if placed with Mars in the 12th

house, there shall be rajayoga as Moon is debilitated and making Mars also weak

with association.

 

However never miss the association/ influence of the HL, GL who are the givers

of fortune and power...

Sarajit

------------------------end Sarajit's mail-----------------------Regards

/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Anna

vedic astrology

Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:23 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

 

Dear Jay,

 

This is very interesting- haven't heard much on Parivartana Yoga-

I am wondering if any PY involving dusthana can be beneficial?I've noticed for

example, PY btw. 6th and 7th house is'of dubious nature'

Having always in mind what the nature of planets involved is, what planets

leave 'behind' in the houses they leave, what environment they meet in a new house,

their friendship and other relevant

variables, it seems that you explored this issue further- all other things being

OK/as per above/ do you think that mere lordship ove dusthana can/cannot have a

decisive say in PY?

Thanks,

Best wishes,

Anna "J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ramani,

 

Longevity is always a hard nut to break, none the less in Saddams case.

Exchange between the 8th and 10th lords is called Dainya Parivartana Yoga and is

never good (Unlucky, mean, hasty nature, questionable character, suffer from

enemies and diseases).

I am working on it currently (as time allows) and will reply as soon as I feel

"safe" with my assumption.

 

A note on Martin Schulman books: please remember that he is "thinking" western

system i.e houses etc.

(try the sound of tiny "Retrograde Pluto" 6 billion(!) Km' away...) <smile>.

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Ramani Alwar

vedic astrology

Monday, December 15, 2003 9:06 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein ->

 

Dear Jay Weiss,

About retrograde planets, Martin Schulman and Erin Sullivan bith wrote

very nicely. Of course I have gone through the Moon's nodes book by Martin

Schulman. I will try to get a copy Karmic Relations as you say.

Weiss,

Here in the given case what about the longevity of this Saddam since Saturn and

Jupiter are in parivarthana (exchange of houses) and have enough strength?

Becuase at this point everyone is curious about the verdict of this native.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.

 

 

 

"J.-Weiss" <jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Ramani Alwar,

 

Very good that you mentioned Martin Schulman's book.

I have been using it for years and much of his indication do apply very often.

If you have his book "Karmic Relations" you will be able to expend your horizon

even more.

 

Kind regards/Jay Weisshttp://www.alvicomm.com

-

Ramani Alwar

vedic astrology

Monday, December 15, 2003 6:48 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein

 

Hello Venkatrama Sastry jee,

Arrogance and Cruelty of this native is the gift of retrograde Mars by

Martin Schulman, in his book on retrograde and Reincarnatioin he mentions that

for Mars retrograde at the sixth house as 'Here the individual is caught

between conflict of how much he should do for others and how much he should he

should for himself. He tends to resent others telling hin how to do things and

yet he consciously wants their advice. Highly independent, he strives to be the

ruler of his own life amidst a flood of external circumstances that dictate the

direction of his energies. And so on...... I believe the Cruelty is due to the

planet of Mars and that is retrograde in nature at his own sign and joins the

Moon and Rahu. Here we can learn the effect of two debilitated planets conjunct

with

the retrograde Mars.

 

The conjunction of debilitated Moon and Rahu accounts for the Guru mangala yoga

to act in a reverse fashion.

 

The debility of Jupiter can account for the religious intolerance by some means.

 

Further I leave with a query the lord of the 8/9th house is in parivarthana with

the lord of the 10th house. can this give a long life to this native? Further

the lord of the 8th house is with the exalted planet Venus and the Venus gets

Vargottama too. That is what a few astrologers will look in depth at present

and also to understand the Mundane and natal chart.

Bye now

 

Can a learned member of this group let us know what indications in Saddam's

natal chart indicate cruelty, arrogance, violence caused, religious

intolerance, loss of sons etc?-VRS

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vedic astrology

RE: [vedic astrology] Re:

Parivartana - Anna + (was Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

 

Good to see you on the List, Sarajit!

 

Thanks for important point.

 

PVY:

"India Gandhi, ex PM of

color:navy;font-weight:bold">India, who

changed to

color:navy;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic">a

color:navy;font-weight:bold"> influential PM from a housewife

color:navy">, ...in addition to AK replacement, we've recently learnt about?

Anna

Sarajit Poddar

<sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

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|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Anna,

 

In addition to whatever

is written just remember, parivartana is characterised by complete change

(reversal) in some aspect of life as shown by the concerned planet. Ramani has

given a good example of Ms. India Gandhi, ex PM of India,

who changed to a influential PM from a housewife, who never dreamt of becoming

a politician.

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

 

 

Anna

[bona_mente ]

Wednesday, December 17, 2003

6:32 PM

To:

vedic astrology

Re: [vedic astrology] Re:

Parivartana - Anna + (was Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

 

Dear Ramani,

Thanks a lot- this will help round up my knowledge of

PY- very good summary!

All warmest regards,

Anna

Ramani Alwar

<aramani_1969 > wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

Hello Anna

I would

like to add little bit more in parivarthana yoga, of course not much new in

this.

Parivarthana Yoga

Parivarthana yoga is nothing but the exchange of houses between any

planets in the given natal chart. Out of nine planets Rahu and Ketu do not have

any houses as their own houses. Sun has its own house which is Leo, Moon has

Cancer, Mars has two houses namely Aries and Scorpio, Mercury’s houses

are Gemini and Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces are the houses of Jupiter, Venus

owns Taurus and Libra and the rest of the houses are owned by Saturn. If any

two planets exchange their houses it is said to be Parivarthana yoga.

Parivarthana yoga is believed to be powerful yoga than the rest of the yoga

because the planets exchange their houses are powerful like that of the exalted

planets. In practice the planets under exchange do the duty of the houses in

which they are placed. Since seven planets have their own houses theoretically

six planets can undergo Parivarthana yoga.

One of the

important horoscopes to analyse the Parivarthana yoga is the horoscope of ex

prime minister of India

named Indira Gandhi. She got three Parivarthana yoga in her natal chart. Her

ascendant is Cancer, the lord of the ascendant was in exchange with the seventh

house lord, The lord of the second house and the lord of the fifth houses were

in exchange of house, and the Venus and Jupiter were in exchange of their

houses, where Jupiter was placed in Taurus and Venus was in Sagittarius. These

three exchanges of houses were responsible for her achievements in life as a

Prime minister.

1"> Out of all the Parivarthana yoga the

Parivarthana between the lord of Kendra and Trikona is very powerful whereas

the Parivarthana between the lord of fifth and ninth house is very weak and

cannot render any benefic results. Among the Parivarthana between the Kendra

and Trikona the exchange of houses between the lord of the tenth and ninth

houses is powerful and said to be

normal;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Dharma Karmathipathi yoga.

This yoga brings an enormous wealth, they lead the others by showing the path

how to earn money for living in this world, during the dasa of the these lords

the native can make a foreign trip in terms of business and earn a lot of money

to lead the rest of the life, they become very familiar and popular and in the

native they get an authoritative job as per the education of the native.

1"> Another important yoga in the

Parivarthana yoga is

normal;font-style:italic;mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Andiya Vayasu Dhana Yoga,

it is due to the exchange of houses between the lord of the first and second

houses. This yoga brings popularity and wealth in the later part of life

irrespective of whatever may be the dasa, the native can get an honourable job.

But the negative part of this yoga is that the native suffers in the earlier

part of life. After the age of 33 onwards the native will earn money by virtue

of his/her own efforts till the age of 55.

1"> `In the horoscope 6th, 8th

and 12th houses are considered as malefic houses. The lords of those

houses if exchange their houses

Vipreet Raja Yoga arises. Usually the people those suddenly become a Crore

pathi have this yoga in their natal chart. During the dasa or bhuthi of those

planets Jackpot and lottery like lucks reach the native. Sometimes the lord of

the 3rd house also considered in the Vipreet Raja Yoga. One of the

important factor factor is to be considered is if the Vipreet raja yoga is due to

exchange of houses between the lord of the 8th and 6th

houses. The dasa of the lord of the 6th houses brings the death to

the person if the longevity of the person is ineffective.

1"> If the lord of the 3rd

house exchange the houses with 4th, 5th, 7th,

9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses is

said to be Kala Parivarthana yoga. These people come up in life by their hard

work and they get unexpected positive results in life.

1"> Except the 3rd, 6th,

8th and 12th house lords the rest of the planets if

undergo exchange of houses it is considered as Maha Bhagya Parivarthana yoga.

The result of this raja yoga is unnecessary to explain since the name itself

signifies the result of this yoga.

1"> Kesari Yoga is due to the exchange of

houses between Moon and Jupiter, the results of this yoga is similar to that of

Gaja Kesari Yoga.

1"> Vedanda Yoga arises if Venus and

Jupiter exchange their houses, as per this yoga the married life becomes

harmonious with luxury.

1"> When Mercury undergoes Parivarthana

education of the native becomes very sound. People having the Parivarthana yoga

come up in life one or the other way.

 

 

Here in this case of Saddam Hussein the parivarthana

yoga that is the exchange of houses between Saturn and jupiter mentions that

his life is little bit longer that is why he did not commit suicide or anything

and prolonging. Saturn in Ayul karaka means Saturn rules one's longevity, the

parivarthana of Saturn in his horoscope may be the reason for long life and did

not commit suicide like attmepts so far or like Hitler did in the past. I

pressume that somehow his life span may be stretched more and there is can be a

chance for him to spend the life prison but we have to wait and see. To put in

a safer way the parivarthana of Saturn and Jupiter so far helped him to have a

long life.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.

Anna

<bona_mente > wrote:

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Dear Jay,

Dear Sarajit,

 

Thanks so much for this on PY- I somehow missed/lost?/

this Sarajit's text, my experience so far does confirms

its, validity so this came at the right time for me, to further

explore this area.

 

Warmest wishes,

Anna

"J.-Weiss"

<jayhw (AT) telia (DOT) com> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

Dear Anna,

For the benefit of all:

The credit for having some material

regarding Parivartana goes here to Sarajit who about a year

ago mailed the following (I reproduce his mail "as is" - hope it's

ok):

 

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial">In parivartana, one feature should be borne in mind.

Apart from luminaries all other five grahas contain lordhip of 2 sings. Now let

suppose a chart where Taurus rises as lagna, and Venus is Capricorn and

Saturn is in Taurus. Here Venus holds the lordship of 1st and 6th house

and Saturn holds the lordship of 9th and 10th houses. In above case (Taurus

lagna), the parivartna between Venus and Saturn is called Maha yoga(interchange

b/w 1st and 9th), not the Dainya yoga(between 6th with 10th lords).

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Besides Parivartana, when lords of dushtana bhava

(6,8,12) interchange they produce yoga called "Vipreeta", i.e.

cancellation of maleficent. (Vipreet also happens when dushtana lords conjoins

in dushtana bhava). And if this interchange is devoid of other

impurities/aspects then it is equals to raj yoga in effect. (Similarly

when lords of kendra meet lords of trikoona in good houses then this is also

called "Kendra-Trikoona Raja Yoga", provided none is afflicted).

 

The premise for Vipareeta Rajayoga

is that the dusthana lords should be "Weakly placed" in a

dusthana. Now if the 8th lord is placed with 12th lord in 12th house, they are

not that weak. Because, 12th lord will be placed in its own house. You can

judge the navamsa positions for these planets. If they are in debilitated

navamsa then also the yogas shall function to good extent. However for

Sagittarius Lagna, Moon is the 8th lord and if placed with Mars in the 12th

house, there shall be rajayoga as Moon is debilitated and making Mars also weak

with association.

 

However never miss the association/

influence of the HL, GL who are the givers of fortune and power...

Sarajit

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/Jay Weiss

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Wednesday,

December 17, 2003 1:23 AM

Re:

[vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein -> Ramani

 

Dear Jay,

 

This is very interesting- haven't heard much on

Parivartana Yoga-

I am wondering if any PY involving dusthana can be

beneficial?

I've noticed for example, PY btw. 6th and 7th house is'of dubious nature'

Having always in mind what the nature of planets involved is, what planets

leave 'behind' in the houses they leave, what

environment they meet in a new house,

their friendship and other relevant

variables, it seems that you explored this

issue further- all other things being OK/as per above/ do you

think that mere lordship ove dusthana can/cannot have a decisive say in PY?

Thanks,

Best wishes,

Anna

"J.-Weiss"

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Dear Ramani,

 

Longevity is always a hard nut to

break, none the less in Saddams case.

Exchange between the 8th and 10th

lords is called Dainya Parivartana Yoga and is never good (Unlucky, mean,

hasty nature, questionable character, suffer from enemies and diseases).

I am working on it currently (as

time allows) and will reply as soon as I feel "safe" with my

assumption.

 

A note on Martin Schulman books:

please remember that he is "thinking" western system i.e houses

etc.

(try the sound of tiny

"Retrograde Pluto" 6 billion(!) Km' away...) <smile>.

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weiss

http://www.alvicomm.com

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vedic astrology

Monday,

December 15, 2003 9:06 PM

Re:

[vedic astrology] Re: Saddam Hussein ->

 

Dear Jay Weiss,

About

retrograde planets, Martin Schulman and Erin Sullivan bith wrote very nicely.

Of course I have gone through the Moon's nodes book by Martin Schulman. I will

try to get a copy Karmic Relations as you say.

Weiss,

Here in the given case what about the longevity of

this Saddam since Saturn and Jupiter are in parivarthana (exchange of houses)

and have enough strength? Becuase at this point everyone is curious about the

verdict of this native.

Yours sincerely

A. Ramani.

 

 

 

"J.-Weiss"

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Dear Ramani Alwar,

 

Very good that you mentioned Martin

Schulman's book.

I have been using it for years and

much of his indication do apply very often.

If you have his book "Karmic

Relations" you will be able to expend your horizon even

more.

 

Kind regards

/Jay Weiss

http://www.alvicomm.com

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Monday,

December 15, 2003 6:48 PM

Re:

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Hello Venkatrama Sastry jee,

Arrogance and Cruelty of this native is the gift of retrograde Mars by Martin

Schulman, in his book on retrograde and Reincarnatioin he mentions that for

Mars retrograde at the sixth house as 'Here

the individual is caught between conflict of how much he should do for others

and how much he should he should for himself. He tends to resent others telling

hin how to do things and yet he consciously wants their advice. Highly

independent, he strives to be the ruler of his own life amidst a flood of

external circumstances that dictate the direction of his energies. And so

on...... I believe the Cruelty is due to the planet of Mars and

that is retrograde in nature at his own sign and joins the Moon and Rahu. Here

we can learn the effect of two debilitated planets conjunct with the retrograde

Mars.

 

The conjunction

of debilitated Moon and Rahu accounts for the Guru mangala yoga to act in a

reverse fashion.

 

The debility

of Jupiter can account for the religious intolerance by some means.

 

Further I leave with a query the lord of the 8/9th

house is in parivarthana with the lord of the 10th house. can this give a long

life to this native? Further the lord of the 8th house is with the exalted

planet Venus and the Venus gets Vargottama too. That is what a few astrologers

will look in depth at present and also to understand the Mundane and natal

chart.

Bye now

 

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indications in

Saddam's natal chart indicate cruelty, arrogance,

violence caused,

religious intolerance, loss of sons etc?

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