Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Dear Ramesh, The D-3 chart is the division of the third house.There are some basic principles followed to see the co borns from the D-3 chart.I will try to put down some and hope to be corrected where I go wrong.You should be able to read in detail in the archives about the use of the Drekkna for the same.Since the main theme here is rectification I will further put down only the points which will be usefull for rectification.The main idea behind using the D-3 chart for rectification is to be able to know if the number of co borns and thier sex indicated in the chart matches the native's life or not. 1.The lord of Drekkna lagna is important for the assesment of the co borns.This would indicate good relations with the co borns or problems with co borns depending on the influence being malefic or benefic. 2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord of the third house.The second from the lord of the fifth house.[3rd from 3rd.]The first elder co born is seen from the lord of the eleventh house and second from the lord of the ninth house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this method one can know how many co borns the native has. 3.The sex of the co borns can be seen from the planets and rasis involved .If the lord of the house of the co born is exalted or cojoin male planets then the issue is male.If debilitated or cojoined female planets then female.Saturn and Mercury are eunuch planets and will give results as per thier influence.Saturn is usually representative of the female and Mercury male but influence is important. 4.If the lord is not exalted or debilitated and nor cojoined then look at the rasi. 5.At times the Drekkna within the sign is also used to determine the sex of the child.For example,The first and the second drekkana of Aries are male. 6.Aspects on the lords should also be seen. Hope this helped. Best Wishes, Kanupriya. >Dear Kanu Priya, > >I shall appreciate if you can briefly explain how to >determine the number of co-borns from D-3. I have some >doubt about lagna of my younger daughter. Her JHL >chart made from birth details shows lagna in Virgo, >whereas the chart made by family astrologer shows >lagna in Leo. > >I am looking for some checks that can help me reach >unbiased conclusion. > >I am enclosing her JHL chart for ready reference. > >Best Regards >Ramesh > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > ><< Divya.jhd >> The Six Sigma edge. Give it to your business. Stay ahead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Kanupriya, Thank you for elaboration. In this case the D-3 placements indicates as follows. I want to attempt my daughters case here. Please read my comments. I shall appreciate help in using these priciples. If we get stuck here, I am confident Gurus will help. Thanks and regards Ramesh PS: I am not writing about her co-borns for now. May be in the next mail. --- kanu priya <barish44 wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Ramesh, The D-3 chart is the division of the third house.There are some basic principles followed to see the co borns from the D-3 chart.I will try to put down some and hope to be corrected where I go wrong.You should be able to read in detail in the archives about the use of the Drekkna for the same.Since the main theme here is rectification I will further put down only the points which will be usefull for rectification.The main idea behind using the D-3 chart for rectification is to be able to know if the number of co borns and thier sex indicated in the chart matches the native's life or not. 1.The lord of Drekkna lagna is important for the assesment of the co borns.This would indicate good relations with the co borns or problems with co borns depending on the influence being malefic or benefic. (Ramesh) In this chart D-3 lagna is virgo and lord is Mercury. 2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord of the third house.The second from the lord of the fifth house.[3rd from 3rd.] (Ramesh) Her 3rd house in D-3 is owned by Mars and house aspected by Sun Mars and Jupiter, Rasi drishti of Jupiter and Rahu. Scorpio as per varga chakra book is a female sign but Lord and aspecting planets are Male, none are exalted though! 5th lord in D-3 is Saturn, house aspected by Moon, rashi drishti of Sun and Mars. Capricorn is also a female sign, lord and aspects indicate female too. How far does one go? The first elder co born is seen from the lord of the eleventh house and second from the lord of the ninth house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this method one can know how many co borns the native has. (Ramesh)11th Lord is Moon, placed in its own house, house aspected by Jupiter and Saturn, rashi drishti of Sun and Mars. Cancer is a male sign, moon is female in own sign. What conclusion one can draw? 9th Lord is Venus, house con-joins Sun and Mars, house has no grah drishti, rashi drishti of aspected by Moon, Venus and Saturn. Taurus is a female sign, Sun and Mars are Male whereas Moon female. Conclusion? 7th Lord is Jupiter in his own house, house has no graha drishti, rashi drishti of Rahu, Ketu and Mercury. Pises is a male sign, lord is male in own house, Rahu a male sign and Ketu and Mercury female. Conclusion? Same question, when to stop. 3.The sex of the co borns can be seen from the planets and rasis involved .If the lord of the house of the co born is exalted or cojoin male planets then the issue is male.If debilitated or cojoined female planets then female.Saturn and Mercury are eunuch planets and will give results as per thier influence.Saturn is usually representative of the female and Mercury male but influence is important. 4.If the lord is not exalted or debilitated and nor cojoined then look at the rasi. 5.At times the Drekkna within the sign is also used to determine the sex of the child.For example,The first and the second drekkana of Aries are male. 6.Aspects on the lords should also be seen. (Ramesh)Can one find out the Lagna Rasis of the co-borns from native's chart? Hope this helped. Best Wishes, Kanupriya. >Dear Kanu Priya, > >I shall appreciate if you can briefly explain how to >determine the number of co-borns from D-3. I have some >doubt about lagna of my younger daughter. Her JHL >chart made from birth details shows lagna in Virgo, >whereas the chart made by family astrologer shows >lagna in Leo. > >I am looking for some checks that can help me reach >unbiased conclusion. > >I am enclosing her JHL chart for ready reference. > >Best Regards >Ramesh > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > ><< Divya.jhd >> The Six Sigma edge. Give it to your business. Stay ahead! Sponsor Group info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Dear Gurus and members, In these days of birth control,I think astrology is not in in the picture as far predicting the number children one may have! Regards Kaimal - Dhira Krsna BCS vedic astrology Friday, August 08, 2003 9:00 PM [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique Dear Kanupriya,Hare Rama Krsna!>2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord of the third house.The>second from the lord of the fifth house.[3rd from 3rd.]The first elder co>born is seen from the lord of the eleventh house and second from the lord>of the ninth house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this method one can>know how many co borns the native has.Count zodiacal or reverse whether the drekkan lagna is odd or even resp.?In my case drekkan doesn't show either elder or younger siblings, though Ihave 2, sister and brother younger than me from my mother's 2nd marriage.I actually have never seen them in childhood, but now I know them. What isyour thought about this? How to see from drekkan?Yours,Dhira Krsna dasa,Jyotishahttp://www.radhadesh.comArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Dear Kaimal, That was an interesting point you have raised. This could be one of the reasons for my current research on Progeny is giving me a trouble to apply the principles with 100% accucary with the charts I have looked at. Let us wait for the Guru's to comment on this topic. Regards Rao vedic astrology, SRCKaimal <srckaimal@a...> wrote: > Dear Gurus and members, > In these days of birth control,I think astrology is not in in the picture as far predicting the number children one may have! > Regards > Kaimal > - > Dhira Krsna BCS > vedic astrology > Friday, August 08, 2003 9:00 PM > [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique > > > Dear Kanupriya, > > Hare Rama Krsna! > > >2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord of the third house.The > >second from the lord of the fifth house.[3rd from 3rd.]The first elder co > >born is seen from the lord of the eleventh house and second from the lord > >of the ninth house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this method one can > >know how many co borns the native has. > > Count zodiacal or reverse whether the drekkan lagna is odd or even resp.? > > In my case drekkan doesn't show either elder or younger siblings, though I > have 2, sister and brother younger than me from my mother's 2nd marriage. > I actually have never seen them in childhood, but now I know them. What is > your thought about this? How to see from drekkan? > > > Yours, > Dhira Krsna dasa, > Jyotisha > http://www.radhadesh.com > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Kaimal, Does this mean that the ammount of siblings could have been determined from the ammount of times the couple had sex, and due to birth control this specific sibling didn't come into being... No this is absurd! Even sometimes the mother doesn't concieve, thou sex has continued without birth control, so how do you justify that? What type of birth control are you talking about? if a person has concieved then only a miscarriage/abortion can stop this child from being born... theres nothing in between!Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - SRCKaimal vedic astrology Friday, August 08, 2003 5:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique Dear Gurus and members, In these days of birth control,I think astrology is not in in the picture as far predicting the number children one may have! Regards Kaimal - Dhira Krsna BCS vedic astrology Friday, August 08, 2003 9:00 PM [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique Dear Kanupriya,Hare Rama Krsna!>2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord of the third house.The>second from the lord of the fifth house.[3rd from 3rd.]The first elder co>born is seen from the lord of the eleventh house and second from the lord>of the ninth house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this method one can>know how many co borns the native has.Count zodiacal or reverse whether the drekkan lagna is odd or even resp.?In my case drekkan doesn't show either elder or younger siblings, though Ihave 2, sister and brother younger than me from my mother's 2nd marriage.I actually have never seen them in childhood, but now I know them. What isyour thought about this? How to see from drekkan?Yours,Dhira Krsna dasa,Jyotishahttp://www.radhadesh.comArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Dear Kaimal, I think it is a very intersting point that u have noted and I think it is very justifiable. The critics would try to ratinoalize everything with astrology. But one has to agree the role of human will and how mordern technology is channing our lives. Houses 3,6,10 and 11 are upachaya houses. That means even the classic dictate matter pretaning to these houses can be changed by human free will unlike the lagna and other houses (but in the mordern world with plastic surgery and other techniques, even people like Micheal jackson can change their entire looks and skin color). So one cannot really realte everything to astrology. I really appreciate the fact that Kaimalji has brought human free will into the picture and how one is actually in control of his or her life. I think particular aspects are very hard to predict by astrology since the rules have to be changed in the mordern day society. With so many new and advanced techinques in science and medical science that can change the course of human existance. Caps off On a very important and jutifiable argument Kamilji regards Umeet vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <balabhadra@j...> wrote: > > |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah| > Dear Kaimal, > Does this mean that the ammount of siblings could have been determined from the ammount of times the couple had sex, and due to birth control this specific sibling didn't come into being... No this is absurd! > Even sometimes the mother doesn't concieve, thou sex has continued without birth control, so how do you justify that? > What type of birth control are you talking about? if a person has concieved then only a miscarriage/abortion can stop this child from being born... theres nothing in between! > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > - > SRCKaimal > vedic astrology > Friday, August 08, 2003 5:33 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique > > > Dear Gurus and members, > In these days of birth control,I think astrology is not in in the picture as far predicting the number children one may have! > Regards > Kaimal > - > Dhira Krsna BCS > vedic astrology > Friday, August 08, 2003 9:00 PM > [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique > > > Dear Kanupriya, > > Hare Rama Krsna! > > >2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord of the third house.The > >second from the lord of the fifth house.[3rd from 3rd.]The first elder co > >born is seen from the lord of the eleventh house and second from the lord > >of the ninth house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this method one can > >know how many co borns the native has. > > Count zodiacal or reverse whether the drekkan lagna is odd or even resp.? > > In my case drekkan doesn't show either elder or younger siblings, though I > have 2, sister and brother younger than me from my mother's 2nd marriage. > I actually have never seen them in childhood, but now I know them. What is > your thought about this? How to see from drekkan? > > > Yours, > Dhira Krsna dasa, > Jyotisha > http://www.radhadesh.com > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Dear Visti Ji, Thanks for your reply and you made few good points. Now with your permission and other Guru's, I am not trying to criticize here the principles, rather interested in knowing the principles clearly with in following situations:- 1) Few countries such as China and Russia, in some provinces, the govt. enforces only one child per family kind of thing. 2) So in the above situation, how our Astrological principles apply to those 100's of thousands of people can only have one child. (Rah and Ketu in axis, will cause end of the children to the native.) Thanks for your help in educating me on this, which I am not able to understand clearly so far. Regards Rao vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <balabhadra@j...> wrote: > > |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah| > Dear Kaimal, > Does this mean that the ammount of siblings could have been determined from the ammount of times the couple had sex, and due to birth control this specific sibling didn't come into being... No this is absurd! > Even sometimes the mother doesn't concieve, thou sex has continued without birth control, so how do you justify that? > What type of birth control are you talking about? if a person has concieved then only a miscarriage/abortion can stop this child from being born... theres nothing in between! > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > - > SRCKaimal > vedic astrology > Friday, August 08, 2003 5:33 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique > > > Dear Gurus and members, > In these days of birth control,I think astrology is not in in the picture as far predicting the number children one may have! > Regards > Kaimal > - > Dhira Krsna BCS > vedic astrology > Friday, August 08, 2003 9:00 PM > [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique > > > Dear Kanupriya, > > Hare Rama Krsna! > > >2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord of the third house.The > >second from the lord of the fifth house.[3rd from 3rd.]The first elder co > >born is seen from the lord of the eleventh house and second from the lord > >of the ninth house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this method one can > >know how many co borns the native has. > > Count zodiacal or reverse whether the drekkan lagna is odd or even resp.? > > In my case drekkan doesn't show either elder or younger siblings, though I > have 2, sister and brother younger than me from my mother's 2nd marriage. > I actually have never seen them in childhood, but now I know them. What is > your thought about this? How to see from drekkan? > > > Yours, > Dhira Krsna dasa, > Jyotisha > http://www.radhadesh.com > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Om Gurave NamahDear Ramesh, Try this with your daughter's chart: 1.D -3 lagna is Virgo, even sign ,so we reverse the counting.[ I missed writing that earlier]. 2.11th in reverse is scorpio and mars is in the 9th house with sun, in Taurus.Sun lords the 12th house which is Maraka for the elder sibbling.There may have been a misscarriage. 3.The next sibling is seen from Capricorn and Saturn is exalted and retrograde joined Venus which is strong in Libra.There should have been a birth of a girl after some delays and difficulties. 4.In the next count we reach the nodes so we stop and no more elder siblings. The same way look for the younger sibblings.Aspects should not be given primary importance but to be only considered when other things are not clear. Best Wishes, Kanupriya. >"Ramesh F. Gangaramani" >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >Re: [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique >Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:55:30 -0700 (PDT) > >Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > >Dear Kanupriya, > >Thank you for elaboration. In this case the D-3 >placements indicates as follows. I want to attempt my >daughters case here. Please read my comments. I shall >appreciate help in using these priciples. If we get >stuck here, I am confident Gurus will help. > >Thanks and regards >Ramesh > >PS: I am not writing about her co-borns for now. May >be in the next mail. > > >--- kanu priya wrote: > > > > > > > >Om Gurave Namah >Dear Ramesh, >The D-3 chart is the division of the third house.There >are some basic principles followed to see the co borns >from the D-3 chart.I will try to put down some and >hope to be corrected where I go wrong.You should be >able to read in detail in the archives about the use >of the Drekkna for the same.Since the main theme here >is rectification I will further put down only the >points which will be usefull for rectification.The >main idea behind using the D-3 chart for rectification >is to be able to know if the number of co borns and >thier sex indicated in the chart matches the native's >life or not. > >1.The lord of Drekkna lagna is important for the >assesment of the co borns.This would indicate good >relations with the co borns or problems with co borns >depending on the influence being malefic or benefic. > >(Ramesh) In this chart D-3 lagna is virgo and lord is >Mercury. > >2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord of >the third house.The second from the lord of the fifth >house.[3rd from 3rd.] > >(Ramesh) Her 3rd house in D-3 is owned by Mars and >house aspected by Sun Mars and Jupiter, Rasi drishti >of Jupiter and Rahu. Scorpio as per varga chakra book >is a female sign but Lord and aspecting planets are >Male, none are exalted though! > >5th lord in D-3 is Saturn, house aspected by Moon, >rashi drishti of Sun and Mars. Capricorn is also a >female sign, lord and aspects indicate female too. > >How far does one go? > >The first elder co born is seen from the lord of the >eleventh house and second from the lord of the ninth >house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this method one >can know how many co borns the native has. > >(Ramesh)11th Lord is Moon, placed in its own house, >house aspected by Jupiter and Saturn, rashi drishti of >Sun and Mars. Cancer is a male sign, moon is female in >own sign. What conclusion one can draw? > >9th Lord is Venus, house con-joins Sun and Mars, >house has no grah drishti, rashi drishti of aspected >by Moon, Venus and Saturn. Taurus is a female sign, >Sun and Mars are Male whereas Moon female. Conclusion? > >7th Lord is Jupiter in his own house, house has no >graha drishti, rashi drishti of Rahu, Ketu and >Mercury. Pises is a male sign, lord is male in own >house, Rahu a male sign and Ketu and Mercury female. >Conclusion? > >Same question, when to stop. > >3.The sex of the co borns can be seen from the planets >and rasis involved .If the lord of the house of the co >born is exalted or cojoin male planets then the issue >is male.If debilitated or cojoined female planets then >female.Saturn and Mercury are eunuch planets and will >give results as per thier influence.Saturn is usually >representative of the female and Mercury male but >influence is important. >4.If the lord is not exalted or debilitated and nor >cojoined then look at the rasi. >5.At times the Drekkna within the sign is also used to >determine the sex of the child.For example,The first >and the second drekkana of Aries are male. >6.Aspects on the lords should also be seen. > >(Ramesh)Can one find out the Lagna Rasis of the >co-borns from native's chart? > >Hope this helped. >Best Wishes, > >Kanupriya. > > > > > > > >Dear Kanu Priya, > > > >I shall appreciate if you can briefly explain how to > >determine the number of co-borns from D-3. I have >some > >doubt about lagna of my younger daughter. Her JHL > >chart made from birth details shows lagna in Virgo, > >whereas the chart made by family astrologer shows > >lagna in Leo. > > > >I am looking for some checks that can help me reach > >unbiased conclusion. > > > >I am enclosing her JHL chart for ready reference. > > > >Best Regards > >Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >design software > > > ><< Divya.jhd >> > > > >The Six Sigma edge. Give it to your business. Stay >ahead! > Sponsor > > > >Group info: >vedic astrology/info.html > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to >vedic astrology- > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > >|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu >|| > > >Terms of Service. > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > Dress up your desktop! Get the best wallpapers. Just click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Dear Dhira, Thankyou for reminding me of that point I missed mentioning it in the previous mail.The counting is reverse for even signs and regular for odd signs D-3 lagnas. Involvement of Shani and Mercury shows step sibblings in the D-3 chart and Step children in the Saptamsa chart. Best Wishes, Kanupriya. > >Dear Kanupriya, > >Hare Rama Krsna! > > >2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord of the third house.The > >second from the lord of the fifth house.[3rd from 3rd.]The first elder co > >born is seen from the lord of the eleventh house and second from the lord > >of the ninth house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this method one can > >know how many co borns the native has. > >Count zodiacal or reverse whether the drekkan lagna is odd or even resp.? > >In my case drekkan doesn't show either elder or younger siblings, though I >have 2, sister and brother younger than me from my mother's 2nd marriage. >I actually have never seen them in childhood, but now I know them. What is >your thought about this? How to see from drekkan? > > >Yours, >Dhira Krsna dasa, >Jyotisha >http://www.radhadesh.com It's hatke, it's new. It's classic Kukunoor. Watch 3 Deewarein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 |Vyam Vyasdevaaya Namah|Dear Rao, Those countries only enforce government support for the first child, they do not dictate the ammount of childbirths. Plenty of russians have more than one child just like the rest of the world - if they can afford it. Also the chinese sometimes have more children, but they do diabolical things to the child if they were hoping for a boy/girl and send the child of to daycares or merely leave the child, concealing that they had one to ensure government support. As for nodes ending childbirths, there are some exceptions to this. If your questioning the principles i can accept it your skeptism, but not everyone is born in china and not everyone is born in Russia, and not everyone in China and Russia has just 1 kid! So for now learn the principles and see the flexibility of the use. Then you will be able to see the lackings in the same as well.Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Rao Nemani vedic astrology Friday, August 08, 2003 9:07 PM [vedic astrology] Re: birth time correction technique Dear Visti Ji,Thanks for your reply and you made few good points.Now with your permission and other Guru's, I am not trying to criticize here the principles, rather interested in knowing the principles clearly with in following situations:-1) Few countries such as China and Russia, in some provinces, the govt. enforces only one child per family kind of thing.2) So in the above situation, how our Astrological principles apply to those 100's of thousands of people can only have one child. (Rah and Ketu in axis, will cause end of the children to the native.)Thanks for your help in educating me on this, which I am notable to understand clearly so far.RegardsRao--- In vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <balabhadra@j...> wrote:> > |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|> Dear Kaimal,> Does this mean that the ammount of siblings could have been determined from the ammount of times the couple had sex, and due to birth control this specific sibling didn't come into being... No this is absurd! > Even sometimes the mother doesn't concieve, thou sex has continued without birth control, so how do you justify that? > What type of birth control are you talking about? if a person has concieved then only a miscarriage/abortion can stop this child from being born... theres nothing in between!> Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> ----- Original Message ----- > SRCKaimal > vedic astrology > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 5:33 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique> > > Dear Gurus and members,> In these days of birth control,I think astrology is not in in the picture as far predicting the number children one may have!> Regards> Kaimal> - > Dhira Krsna BCS > vedic astrology > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:00 PM> [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique> > > Dear Kanupriya,> > Hare Rama Krsna!> > >2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord of the third house.The> >second from the lord of the fifth house.[3rd from 3rd.]The first elder co> >born is seen from the lord of the eleventh house and second from the lord> >of the ninth house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this method one can> >know how many co borns the native has.> > Count zodiacal or reverse whether the drekkan lagna is odd or even resp.?> > In my case drekkan doesn't show either elder or younger siblings, though I> have 2, sister and brother younger than me from my mother's 2nd marriage.> I actually have never seen them in childhood, but now I know them. What is> your thought about this? How to see from drekkan?> > > Yours,> Dhira Krsna dasa,> Jyotisha> http://www.radhadesh.com> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to the > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Dear Visti Ji, Thank you once again for clarifying the principles for me. You can take it granted from me, that I accept the principles without questions as I belive them blindly, that is the level of faith I have in Vedic Astorlogy. But I challenge some times with these questions, because I wanted to know the answers clearly, so that I can answer to some one in the future, as you are doing to me today. I really appreciate your knowledge transfer to me and also to the group and I shall continue this. Regards Rao vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <balabhadra@j...> wrote: > > |Vyam Vyasdevaaya Namah| > Dear Rao, > Those countries only enforce government support for the first child, they do not dictate the ammount of childbirths. Plenty of russians have more than one child just like the rest of the world - if they can afford it. Also the chinese sometimes have more children, but they do diabolical things to the child if they were hoping for a boy/girl and send the child of to daycares or merely leave the child, concealing that they had one to ensure government support. > As for nodes ending childbirths, there are some exceptions to this. If your questioning the principles i can accept it your skeptism, but not everyone is born in china and not everyone is born in Russia, and not everyone in China and Russia has just 1 kid! > So for now learn the principles and see the flexibility of the use. Then you will be able to see the lackings in the same as well. > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > - > Rao Nemani > vedic astrology > Friday, August 08, 2003 9:07 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: birth time correction technique > > > Dear Visti Ji, > > Thanks for your reply and you made few good points. > > Now with your permission and other Guru's, I am not trying > to criticize here the principles, rather interested in > knowing the principles clearly with in following situations:- > > 1) Few countries such as China and Russia, in some provinces, > the govt. enforces only one child per family kind of thing. > > 2) So in the above situation, how our Astrological principles > apply to those 100's of thousands of people can only have > one child. (Rah and Ketu in axis, will cause end of the > children to the native.) > > Thanks for your help in educating me on this, which I am not > able to understand clearly so far. > > Regards > Rao > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" > <balabhadra@j...> wrote: > > > > |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah| > > Dear Kaimal, > > Does this mean that the ammount of siblings could have been > determined from the ammount of times the couple had sex, and due to > birth control this specific sibling didn't come into being... No this > is absurd! > > Even sometimes the mother doesn't concieve, thou sex has continued > without birth control, so how do you justify that? > > What type of birth control are you talking about? if a person has > concieved then only a miscarriage/abortion can stop this child from > being born... theres nothing in between! > > Best wishes > > Visti > > --- > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > - > > SRCKaimal > > vedic astrology > > Friday, August 08, 2003 5:33 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique > > > > > > Dear Gurus and members, > > In these days of birth control,I think astrology is not in in the > picture as far predicting the number children one may have! > > Regards > > Kaimal > > - > > Dhira Krsna BCS > > vedic astrology > > Friday, August 08, 2003 9:00 PM > > [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique > > > > > > Dear Kanupriya, > > > > Hare Rama Krsna! > > > > >2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord of the third > house.The > > >second from the lord of the fifth house.[3rd from 3rd.]The > first elder co > > >born is seen from the lord of the eleventh house and second > from the lord > > >of the ninth house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this > method one can > > >know how many co borns the native has. > > > > Count zodiacal or reverse whether the drekkan lagna is odd or > even resp.? > > > > In my case drekkan doesn't show either elder or younger > siblings, though I > > have 2, sister and brother younger than me from my mother's 2nd > marriage. > > I actually have never seen them in childhood, but now I know > them. What is > > your thought about this? How to see from drekkan? > > > > > > Yours, > > Dhira Krsna dasa, > > Jyotisha > > http://www.radhadesh.com > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Dear Kanupriya, Am I missing something here? Counting Apasavvya(reverse) , would not the 11th house for Virgo ascendant be Cancer? Regards, Chandrashekhar. kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:41 AMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique Om Gurave NamahDear Ramesh, Try this with your daughter's chart: 1.D -3 lagna is Virgo, even sign ,so we reverse the counting.[ I missed writing that earlier]. 2.11th in reverse is scorpio and mars is in the 9th house with sun, in Taurus.Sun lords the 12th house which is Maraka for the elder sibbling.There may have been a misscarriage. 3.The next sibling is seen from Capricorn and Saturn is exalted and retrograde joined Venus which is strong in Libra.There should have been a birth of a girl after some delays and difficulties. 4.In the next count we reach the nodes so we stop and no more elder siblings. The same way look for the younger sibblings.Aspects should not be given primary importance but to be only considered when other things are not clear. Best Wishes, Kanupriya. >"Ramesh F. Gangaramani" >vedic astrology >vedic astrology >Re: [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique >Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:55:30 -0700 (PDT) > >Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > >Dear Kanupriya, > >Thank you for elaboration. In this case the D-3 >placements indicates as follows. I want to attempt my >daughters case here. Please read my comments. I shall >appreciate help in using these priciples. If we get >stuck here, I am confident Gurus will help. > >Thanks and regards >Ramesh > >PS: I am not writing about her co-borns for now. May >be in the next mail. > > >--- kanu priya wrote: > > > > > > > >Om Gurave Namah >Dear Ramesh, >The D-3 chart is the division of the third house.There >are some basic principles followed to see the co borns >from the D-3 chart.I will try to put down some and >hope to be corrected where I go wrong.You should be >able to read in detail in the archives about the use >of the Drekkna for the same.Since the main theme here >is rectification I will further put down only the >points which will be usefull for rectification.The >main idea behind using the D-3 chart for rectification >is to be able to know if the number of co borns and >thier sex indicated in the chart matches the native's >life or not. > >1.The lord of Drekkna lagna is important for the >assesment of the co borns.This would indicate good >relations with the co borns or problems with co borns >depending on the influence being malefic or benefic. > >(Ramesh) In this chart D-3 lagna is virgo and lord is >Mercury. > >2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord of >the third house.The second from the lord of the fifth >house.[3rd from 3rd.] > >(Ramesh) Her 3rd house in D-3 is owned by Mars and >house aspected by Sun Mars and Jupiter, Rasi drishti >of Jupiter and Rahu. Scorpio as per varga chakra book >is a female sign but Lord and aspecting planets are >Male, none are exalted though! > >5th lord in D-3 is Saturn, house aspected by Moon, >rashi drishti of Sun and Mars. Capricorn is also a >female sign, lord and aspects indicate female too. > >How far does one go? > >The first elder co born is seen from the lord of the >eleventh house and second from the lord of the ninth >house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this method one >can know how many co borns the native has. > >(Ramesh)11th Lord is Moon, placed in its own house, >house aspected by Jupiter and Saturn, rashi drishti of >Sun and Mars. Cancer is a male sign, moon is female in >own sign. What conclusion one can draw? > >9th Lord is Venus, house con-joins Sun and Mars, >house has no grah drishti, rashi drishti of aspected >by Moon, Venus and Saturn. Taurus is a female sign, >Sun and Mars are Male whereas Moon female. Conclusion? > >7th Lord is Jupiter in his own house, house has no >graha drishti, rashi drishti of Rahu, Ketu and >Mercury. Pises is a male sign, lord is male in own >house, Rahu a male sign and Ketu and Mercury female. >Conclusion? > >Same question, when to stop. > >3.The sex of the co borns can be seen from the planets >and rasis involved .If the lord of the house of the co >born is exalted or cojoin male planets then the issue >is male.If debilitated or cojoined female planets then >female.Saturn and Mercury are eunuch planets and will >give results as per thier influence.Saturn is usually >representative of the female and Mercury male but >influence is important. >4.If the lord is not exalted or debilitated and nor >cojoined then look at the rasi. >5.At times the Drekkna within the sign is also used to >determine the sex of the child.For example,The first >and the second drekkana of Aries are male. >6.Aspects on the lords should also be seen. > >(Ramesh)Can one find out the Lagna Rasis of the >co-borns from native's chart? > >Hope this helped. >Best Wishes, > >Kanupriya. > > > > > > > >Dear Kanu Priya, > > > >I shall appreciate if you can briefly explain how to > >determine the number of co-borns from D-3. I have >some > >doubt about lagna of my younger daughter. Her JHL > >chart made from birth details shows lagna in Virgo, > >whereas the chart made by family astrologer shows > >lagna in Leo. > > > >I am looking for some checks that can help me reach > >unbiased conclusion. > > > >I am enclosing her JHL chart for ready reference. > > > >Best Regards > >Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >design software > > > ><< Divya.jhd >> > > > >The Six Sigma edge. Give it to your business. Stay >ahead! > Sponsor > > > >Group info: >vedic astrology/info.html > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to >vedic astrology- > >....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > >|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu >|| > > >Terms of Service. > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > Dress up your desktop! Get the best wallpapers. Just click here! 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Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 Respected Gurus and learned members, My humble view is that faith in astrology or study of this great science can never produce any conflict with our common sense or capacity for rational and objectve analysis of this never ending drama of life.The principles enunciated by our sages can never change but the interpretations or conclusions of the various combinations valid at the time of the previous Yugas may not be equally vaild at the present time and it is for our present day Gurus to interpret them to match the changing times.One of the areas for such change is regarding the number of children for a couple to have or the number of siblings one will have.We do not have to go to China or Russia but only to look around and see that most of the couples in India (except may be Muslims) delibereately limit the number to just two.I am in Kerala and I can see that our children are now begining to opt for a single child whether male or female.I am sure that in their charts many children are indicated but that is a matter of interpretation and I think that the same combination should now be interpreted as to mean only that the couple will have no difficulty to have children. Another area which also requires re orientation is predicting the sex of the child before conception.In the divine scheme of things,women always out number men and it so in every advanced country.But in India because of the extremely harsh treatment meted out to women they die younger and in many states the natural ratio has been tilted against them.But now we have gone even further and have started large scale killing of females through abortions and in states like Punjab it has now reached holocast levels with ratios falling there to 700 women for 1000 men.We should all hang our heads in shame as Indians.And by the subtle preference to males,is not Vedic astrology made to support this unspeakable evil practice?Can we not change our interpretations in this area too without changing the basic principles? I am reading a lot of exchanges here on this dreaded Sarpa Dosha and Sarpa Yoga etc.It is interesting that killing even one Sarpa can produce this terrible curse.If so how much more potently dreadful this curse will be from the thousnds of women killed even before they are born?I fear that neither this country nor a sigle Indian wherever he may live can escape from the terrible consequences of this curse continuously taking place.Is there any astrological rationale or remedy for this? Regards to all Kaimal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Kaimal, Does this mean that times of birth control have changed since the vedic times? How about those who decided not to have children at all? You cannot assume that in the old days people had children promixiously, because there were no restrictions. Fact is in every family the parents ATTEMPT to decide how many children to have - even in the ancient times, the mother at some point had to say stop due to intense experience of having repeated childbirths. This decission to STOP is called birth control, and it has existed forever. Killing of children has also existed forever in various forms, however in ancient times more prominently after childbirth to spare the wife. AND THIS CAN BE SEEN IN THE CHART. Check out the archives and you will see predictions of abortians, miscarriages, etc.. these do not go unseen. As for curses - This is a seperate area and the final determination of the curse is seen from the Shastyamsa (D-60) which is quite sensitive... Even there we cannot decide the persons life fully unless we use all 16 divisions at once (forming 150 parts).Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - SRCKaimal vedic astrology Saturday, August 09, 2003 8:05 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: birth time correction technique Respected Gurus and learned members, My humble view is that faith in astrology or study of this great science can never produce any conflict with our common sense or capacity for rational and objectve analysis of this never ending drama of life.The principles enunciated by our sages can never change but the interpretations or conclusions of the various combinations valid at the time of the previous Yugas may not be equally vaild at the present time and it is for our present day Gurus to interpret them to match the changing times.One of the areas for such change is regarding the number of children for a couple to have or the number of siblings one will have.We do not have to go to China or Russia but only to look around and see that most of the couples in India (except may be Muslims) delibereately limit the number to just two.I am in Kerala and I can see that our children are now begining to opt for a single child whether male or female.I am sure that in their charts many children are indicated but that is a matter of interpretation and I think that the same combination should now be interpreted as to mean only that the couple will have no difficulty to have children. Another area which also requires re orientation is predicting the sex of the child before conception.In the divine scheme of things,women always out number men and it so in every advanced country.But in India because of the extremely harsh treatment meted out to women they die younger and in many states the natural ratio has been tilted against them.But now we have gone even further and have started large scale killing of females through abortions and in states like Punjab it has now reached holocast levels with ratios falling there to 700 women for 1000 men.We should all hang our heads in shame as Indians.And by the subtle preference to males,is not Vedic astrology made to support this unspeakable evil practice?Can we not change our interpretations in this area too without changing the basic principles? I am reading a lot of exchanges here on this dreaded Sarpa Dosha and Sarpa Yoga etc.It is interesting that killing even one Sarpa can produce this terrible curse.If so how much more potently dreadful this curse will be from the thousnds of women killed even before they are born?I fear that neither this country nor a sigle Indian wherever he may live can escape from the terrible consequences of this curse continuously taking place.Is there any astrological rationale or remedy for this? Regards to all KaimalArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 Dear Visti, Thanks for the mail.I was only thinking aloud and not trying to pick up an arguement.You are much much more learned on the subject and my only humble request to you to do research on the subject and see whether we need some revision in the matter of predicting the number of children and their sex. Regarding what you wrote about those who do not have children,let me tell you an actual incident in my life.It was about 15years before when a combination of circumstances in my life changed my views about astrology as nothing more than silly superstition and began to read a lot about it.Luckily for me a collegue of mine was from a famous family of traditional astrologers and he used to answer my questions about it.I began collecting a lot of charts and as soon as I am in the office in the morning he would come into my room and I would throw them one by one in front of him ask him to comment on it.Even now I remember clearly when he after looking at one of the chart,recited a sanskrit sloka and said that he will never have children.He translated the sloka for me as "When there are malefics in the 5th from lagna,Moon and Jupiter he will not have children".He had a caustic humor too and he added on his own that "if he has then his wife has managed it from some one else!" The chart was that of a person belonging to a well known afflluent family and there was nothing in the medical science that he did not try and everything failed.Even as I write this now they do not have a child. Regards and best wishes Kaimal - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Saturday, August 09, 2003 2:45 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: birth time correction technique |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Kaimal, Does this mean that times of birth control have changed since the vedic times? How about those who decided not to have children at all? You cannot assume that in the old days people had children promixiously, because there were no restrictions. Fact is in every family the parents ATTEMPT to decide how many children to have - even in the ancient times, the mother at some point had to say stop due to intense experience of having repeated childbirths. This decission to STOP is called birth control, and it has existed forever. Killing of children has also existed forever in various forms, however in ancient times more prominently after childbirth to spare the wife. AND THIS CAN BE SEEN IN THE CHART. Check out the archives and you will see predictions of abortians, miscarriages, etc.. these do not go unseen. As for curses - This is a seperate area and the final determination of the curse is seen from the Shastyamsa (D-60) which is quite sensitive... Even there we cannot decide the persons life fully unless we use all 16 divisions at once (forming 150 parts).Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - SRCKaimal vedic astrology Saturday, August 09, 2003 8:05 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: birth time correction technique Respected Gurus and learned members, My humble view is that faith in astrology or study of this great science can never produce any conflict with our common sense or capacity for rational and objectve analysis of this never ending drama of life.The principles enunciated by our sages can never change but the interpretations or conclusions of the various combinations valid at the time of the previous Yugas may not be equally vaild at the present time and it is for our present day Gurus to interpret them to match the changing times.One of the areas for such change is regarding the number of children for a couple to have or the number of siblings one will have.We do not have to go to China or Russia but only to look around and see that most of the couples in India (except may be Muslims) delibereately limit the number to just two.I am in Kerala and I can see that our children are now begining to opt for a single child whether male or female.I am sure that in their charts many children are indicated but that is a matter of interpretation and I think that the same combination should now be interpreted as to mean only that the couple will have no difficulty to have children. Another area which also requires re orientation is predicting the sex of the child before conception.In the divine scheme of things,women always out number men and it so in every advanced country.But in India because of the extremely harsh treatment meted out to women they die younger and in many states the natural ratio has been tilted against them.But now we have gone even further and have started large scale killing of females through abortions and in states like Punjab it has now reached holocast levels with ratios falling there to 700 women for 1000 men.We should all hang our heads in shame as Indians.And by the subtle preference to males,is not Vedic astrology made to support this unspeakable evil practice?Can we not change our interpretations in this area too without changing the basic principles? I am reading a lot of exchanges here on this dreaded Sarpa Dosha and Sarpa Yoga etc.It is interesting that killing even one Sarpa can produce this terrible curse.If so how much more potently dreadful this curse will be from the thousnds of women killed even before they are born?I fear that neither this country nor a sigle Indian wherever he may live can escape from the terrible consequences of this curse continuously taking place.Is there any astrological rationale or remedy for this? Regards to all KaimalArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2003 Report Share Posted August 9, 2003 Dear sir, I am happy to hear that you are doing research on the matter.Are you,sorting the charts into any particular categories?If you can seperate them to 3 groups like those belonging to our older,current and younger generations,then may be a clearer pattern may emerge. Regards and best wishes Kaimal - Rao Nemani vedic astrology Friday, August 08, 2003 9:13 PM [vedic astrology] Re: birth time correction technique Dear Kaimal,That was an interesting point you have raised.This could be one of the reasons for my current research on Progeny is giving me a trouble to apply the principles with 100% accucary with the charts I have looked at.Let us wait for the Guru's to comment on this topic.RegardsRao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Kanupriya and Chandrashekharji, This is my last child. Is this shown by her Lagna lord conjoining Ketu? Her first elder sibling is a Male, second elder was aborted, 3rd elder is a female and the 4th elder (eldest) was aborted. Working does not match with above? By reversing the gati you are looking at elder siblings from 3rd instead of 11th. Is that ok? If the actual does not match would you recommend corrections in time? Kind regards Ramesh PS: Point number 4 of your mail states that we reach nodes in next count. I presume next count is Pisces. I dont see a node located there! Am I making some mistake? --- Chandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel wrote: > Dear Kanupriya, > Am I missing something here? Counting > Apasavvya(reverse) , would not the > 11th house for Virgo ascendant be Cancer? > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > kanu priya [barish44] > Saturday, August 09, 2003 12:41 AM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] birth time > correction technique > > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Ramesh, > Try this with your daughter's chart: > 1.D -3 lagna is Virgo, even sign ,so we reverse > the counting.[ I missed > writing that earlier]. > > 2.11th in reverse is scorpio and mars is in the > 9th house with sun, in > Taurus.Sun lords the 12th house which is Maraka for > the elder sibbling.There > may have been a misscarriage. > > 3.The next sibling is seen from Capricorn and > Saturn is exalted and > retrograde joined Venus which is strong in > Libra.There should have been a > birth of a girl after some delays and difficulties. > > 4.In the next count we reach the nodes so we stop > and no more elder > siblings. The same way look for the younger > sibblings.Aspects should not be > given primary importance but to be only considered > when other things are not > clear. > > Best Wishes, > > Kanupriya. > > > > >"Ramesh F. Gangaramani" > >vedic astrology > >vedic astrology > >Re: [vedic astrology] birth time > correction technique > >Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:55:30 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > >Dear Kanupriya, > > > >Thank you for elaboration. In this case the D-3 > >placements indicates as follows. I want to > attempt my > >daughters case here. Please read my comments. I > shall > >appreciate help in using these priciples. If we > get > >stuck here, I am confident Gurus will help. > > > >Thanks and regards > >Ramesh > > > >PS: I am not writing about her co-borns for now. > May > >be in the next mail. > > > > > >--- kanu priya wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Gurave Namah > >Dear Ramesh, > >The D-3 chart is the division of the third > house.There > >are some basic principles followed to see the co > borns > >from the D-3 chart.I will try to put down some > and > >hope to be corrected where I go wrong.You should > be > >able to read in detail in the archives about the > use > >of the Drekkna for the same.Since the main theme > here > >is rectification I will further put down only the > >points which will be usefull for > rectification.The > >main idea behind using the D-3 chart for > rectification > >is to be able to know if the number of co borns > and > >thier sex indicated in the chart matches the > native's > >life or not. > > > >1.The lord of Drekkna lagna is important for the > >assesment of the co borns.This would indicate > good > >relations with the co borns or problems with co > borns > >depending on the influence being malefic or > benefic. > > > >(Ramesh) In this chart D-3 lagna is virgo and > lord is > >Mercury. > > > >2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord > of > >the third house.The second from the lord of the > fifth > >house.[3rd from 3rd.] > > > >(Ramesh) Her 3rd house in D-3 is owned by Mars > and > >house aspected by Sun Mars and Jupiter, Rasi > drishti > >of Jupiter and Rahu. Scorpio as per varga chakra > book > >is a female sign but Lord and aspecting planets > are > >Male, none are exalted though! > > > >5th lord in D-3 is Saturn, house aspected by > Moon, > >rashi drishti of Sun and Mars. Capricorn is also > a > >female sign, lord and aspects indicate female > too. > > > >How far does one go? > > > >The first elder co born is seen from the lord of > the > >eleventh house and second from the lord of the > ninth > >house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this > method one > >can know how many co borns the native has. > > > >(Ramesh)11th Lord is Moon, placed in its own > house, > >house aspected by Jupiter and Saturn, rashi > drishti of > >Sun and Mars. Cancer is a male sign, moon is > female in > >own sign. What conclusion one can draw? > > > >9th Lord is Venus, house con-joins Sun and Mars, > >house has no grah drishti, rashi drishti of > aspected > >by Moon, Venus and Saturn. Taurus is a female > sign, > >Sun and Mars are Male whereas Moon female. > Conclusion? > > > >7th Lord is Jupiter in his own house, house has > no > >graha drishti, rashi drishti of Rahu, Ketu and > >Mercury. Pises is a male sign, lord is male in > own > >house, Rahu a male sign and Ketu and Mercury > female. > >Conclusion? > > > >Same question, when to stop. > > > >3.The sex of the co borns can be seen from the > planets > >and rasis involved .If the lord of the house of > the co > >born is exalted or cojoin male planets then the > issue > >is male.If debilitated or cojoined female planets > then > >female.Saturn and Mercury are eunuch planets and > will > >give results as per thier influence.Saturn is > usually > >representative of the female and Mercury male but > >influence is important. > >4.If the lord is not exalted or debilitated and > nor > >cojoined then look at the rasi. > >5.At times the Drekkna within the sign is also > used to > >determine the sex of the child.For example,The > first > >and the second drekkana of Aries are male. > >6.Aspects on the lords should also be seen. > > > >(Ramesh)Can one find out the Lagna Rasis of the > >co-borns from native's chart? > > > >Hope this helped. > >Best Wishes, > > > >Kanupriya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Dear Kanu Priya, > > > > > >I shall appreciate if you can briefly explain > how to > > >determine the number of co-borns from D-3. I > have > >some > > >doubt about lagna of my younger daughter. Her > JHL > > >chart made from birth details shows lagna in > Virgo, > > >whereas the chart made by family astrologer > shows > > >lagna in Leo. > > > > > >I am looking for some checks that can help me > reach > > >unbiased conclusion. > > > > > >I am enclosing her JHL chart for ready > reference. > > > > > >Best Regards > > >Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > >design software > > > > > ><< Divya.jhd >> > > > > > > > >The Six Sigma edge. Give it to your business. > Stay > >ahead! > > Sponsor > > > >Archives: > vedic astrology > > > >Group info: > > >vedic astrology/info.html > > > >To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > >vedic astrology- > > > >....... 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Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 I second Visti Jee here. For whatever reason it happens, it would be shown in the chart some way. Medical science has improved greatly but still there is premature death, a premature death would be shown in the chart and a long lived person will also have that kind of chart. In past, there people died early for epidemics etc., and that would of course be shown in the chart. The chart/karma will work it's way irrespective to the person is the richest person in this world to get any treatment or he has no money to buy even foods. It will just work. When a couple would skip taking child for 3 years it would be for they are not detined to do so, and if they are destined then they will take child either delibarately or by accident. Destiny / karma can come in the way of a "planned acitivity" or by "accident". When something happens against our wish then we understand that is was the destiny, but when we do something from our own, we forget that destiny is mkaing us do that. Bottom line is (In my view) if done correctly, the charts will show the number of the kids irrespective to birth control or whatever other efforts... Regards, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Friday, August 08, 2003 11:02 PM Re: [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Kaimal, Does this mean that the ammount of siblings could have been determined from the ammount of times the couple had sex, and due to birth control this specific sibling didn't come into being... No this is absurd! Even sometimes the mother doesn't concieve, thou sex has continued without birth control, so how do you justify that? What type of birth control are you talking about? if a person has concieved then only a miscarriage/abortion can stop this child from being born... theres nothing in between!Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - SRCKaimal vedic astrology Friday, August 08, 2003 5:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique Dear Gurus and members, In these days of birth control,I think astrology is not in in the picture as far predicting the number children one may have! Regards Kaimal - Dhira Krsna BCS vedic astrology Friday, August 08, 2003 9:00 PM [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique Dear Kanupriya,Hare Rama Krsna!>2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord of the third house.The>second from the lord of the fifth house.[3rd from 3rd.]The first elder co>born is seen from the lord of the eleventh house and second from the lord>of the ninth house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this method one can>know how many co borns the native has.Count zodiacal or reverse whether the drekkan lagna is odd or even resp.?In my case drekkan doesn't show either elder or younger siblings, though Ihave 2, sister and brother younger than me from my mother's 2nd marriage.I actually have never seen them in childhood, but now I know them. What isyour thought about this? How to see from drekkan?Yours,Dhira Krsna dasa,Jyotishahttp://www.radhadesh.comArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Dear Tanveer , If I may add, Jyotish also enjoins the students to take into consideration Desha, Dharma, Kala etc. and apply his Viveka. What is given to us is the basic principle. An example could be yoga of Bahudara in a country where single legal marriage is legally allowed.The person could have affairs but not man wives simultaneously. Chandrashekhar. Tanvir [tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) com]Sunday, August 10, 2003 7:51 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique I second Visti Jee here. For whatever reason it happens, it would be shown in the chart some way. Medical science has improved greatly but still there is premature death, a premature death would be shown in the chart and a long lived person will also have that kind of chart. In past, there people died early for epidemics etc., and that would of course be shown in the chart. The chart/karma will work it's way irrespective to the person is the richest person in this world to get any treatment or he has no money to buy even foods. It will just work. When a couple would skip taking child for 3 years it would be for they are not detined to do so, and if they are destined then they will take child either delibarately or by accident. Destiny / karma can come in the way of a "planned acitivity" or by "accident". When something happens against our wish then we understand that is was the destiny, but when we do something from our own, we forget that destiny is mkaing us do that. Bottom line is (In my view) if done correctly, the charts will show the number of the kids irrespective to birth control or whatever other efforts... Regards, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Friday, August 08, 2003 11:02 PM Re: [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Kaimal, Does this mean that the ammount of siblings could have been determined from the ammount of times the couple had sex, and due to birth control this specific sibling didn't come into being... No this is absurd! Even sometimes the mother doesn't concieve, thou sex has continued without birth control, so how do you justify that? What type of birth control are you talking about? if a person has concieved then only a miscarriage/abortion can stop this child from being born... theres nothing in between!Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - SRCKaimal vedic astrology Friday, August 08, 2003 5:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique Dear Gurus and members, In these days of birth control,I think astrology is not in in the picture as far predicting the number children one may have! Regards Kaimal - Dhira Krsna BCS vedic astrology Friday, August 08, 2003 9:00 PM [vedic astrology] birth time correction technique Dear Kanupriya,Hare Rama Krsna!>2.The first younger co born is seen from the lord of the third house.The>second from the lord of the fifth house.[3rd from 3rd.]The first elder co>born is seen from the lord of the eleventh house and second from the lord>of the ninth house.[11th from 11th] and so on.Using this method one can>know how many co borns the native has.Count zodiacal or reverse whether the drekkan lagna is odd or even resp.?In my case drekkan doesn't show either elder or younger siblings, though Ihave 2, sister and brother younger than me from my mother's 2nd marriage.I actually have never seen them in childhood, but now I know them. What isyour thought about this? How to see from drekkan?Yours,Dhira Krsna dasa,Jyotishahttp://www.radhadesh.comArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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