Interpreting Vimsottari Dasa upto Six Levels

November 29, 2003

I remember reading some where that the stronger of moon and lagna is

to be used for determining the vimsottari dasa of a person. Most

astrologers seem to be intent upon using the moon exclusively. This

may work well at the level of analysis that most people use which

typically stops at the third level.

1. If more than one starting point is possible, and we are just using

the strongest influence among a multiplicity of possible starting

points to determine the dasas, isn't it logical that when you go to

such a fine analysis as the sixth level of analysis you will

encounter a high level of inaccuracy?

2. Also, can you please quote which texts prescribe using Surya lagna

to analyze Rasi chart? It is surprising to me that you give Surya

lagna precedence over both lagna and chandra lagna. If this is a

strategy that you developed on your own, it would be interesting to

know what kind of statistics you used to come to this conclusion.

Best,

Krishna

> Om Gurave Namah

> Namaste friends,

>

> I taught Vimsottari dasa interpretation at an SJC workshop at

Edison, NJ on Vijaya Dasami day (4th October 2003). I covered the

interpretation of Vimsottari dasa upto six levels (upto deha-

antardasa). Pt. Sanjay Rath, my guru, told me to write a small

article on it on this list, so that those who do not have access to

the CD's also get this important knowledge. I did not get chance to

do that until now.

>

> This topic was covered for 1.5-2 hours. The Vimsottari dasa

workshop was for 2 days. I taught for 1.5 days and Narayan Iyer

taught for half a day. Those who want to go through the rest of the

material and want to get the CD's when they are ready may kindly

contact Narayan at narayan@s...

>

> * * *

>

> Warning

>

> If there is an error of 1 minute in birthtime, Vimsottari dasa

start dates can change by upto 5 days! If there is an error of just 1

arc-min in the ayanamsa used, Vimsottari dasa start dates can change

by upto 9 days! Thus, the Vimsottari dasa dates one has can be off by

many days. So, it is pointless to analyze Vimsottari dasa upto six

levels without finely rectifying the birthtime.

>

> Even after the birthtime is finely rectified, it is possible that

Vimsottari dasa start days are slightly off by a few days. Even if

the birthtime is accurate and lagna and special lagnas in all

divisional charts are correct, still there may be a minute error in

Moon's longitude and there may be an error in the dasa dates because

of it. This can be due to a minute error in ayanamsa or many such

reasons. For example, we take the gravitational center of Moon when

finding the longitude (sphuta) of Moon. It is possible that Moon's

influence on our fortunes is not due to gravitational force and due

to some other spiritual force that is yet to be understood by

science. If that is the case and the spiritual center of Moon is

slightly off from the gravitational center, that can also change

Moon's longitude slightly.

>

> Thus, it is important to do the following when using Vimsottari

dasa upto six levels.

>

> (1) Rectify the birthtime accurately, so that lagna and special

lagnas in various divisional charts make sense

> (2) Rectify the dasa dates and adjust them slightly if needed

>

> The standard example we will take was rectified by me, based on

tens of life events. The birthdata is: 4th April 1970, 5:47:13 pm

(IST), Machilipatnam, India (81e8, 16n10). Vimsottari dasa was

further rectified by subtracting 1 day 4 hr 17 min from all the

dates. This can be due to ayanamsa error or some other error that we

do not yet understand. Please be advised that this error is not

necessarily a constant for all charts (even if it is just an ayanamsa

error).

>

> [Note: The latest version of Jagannatha Hora commercial software

allows the users to play with the dasa dates and adjust them.]

>

> Interpreting Six Levels

>

> The following references can be used when interpreting the six

levels:

>

> (1) Mahadasa (MD): Sun

> (2) Antardasa (AD): Moon

> (3) Pratyantardasa (PD): Lagna

> (4) Sookshma-antardasa (SD): Atma karaka (AK, and other chara

karakas)

> (5) Praana-antardasa (PAD): Pranapada lagna (and arudha padas)

> (5) Deha-antardasa (DAD): Lagna

>

> In addition, we can take the planet ruling a period as the

reference when judging the results of the next level periods. For

example, PAD lord can be taken as the reference when judging the DADs.

>

> Examples

>

> (1) The native got married on 1st August 1993 at 9:30 pm (IST).

>

> The dasa calculations are given below:

>

> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

>

> Sat MD: 1975-12-29 (8:04:41) - 1994-12-29 (4:56:06)

> Jup AD: 1992-06-16 (2:18:46) - 1994-12-29 (4:56:06)

> Ket PD: 1993-07-23 (6:05:02) - 1993-09-16 (11:33:05)

> Ven SD: 1993-07-26 (12:03:05) - 1993-08-04 (18:36:08)

> Sat PAD: 1993-08-01 (10:54:12) - 1993-08-02 (22:07:38)

>

> Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

>

> Sat: 1993-08-01 (10:54:12) - 1993-08-01 (16:28:52)

> Merc: 1993-08-01 (16:28:52) - 1993-08-01 (21:28:17)

> >>>> Ket: 1993-08-01 (21:28:17) - 1993-08-01 (23:31:35)

> Ven: 1993-08-01 (23:31:35) - 1993-08-02 (5:23:49)

> Sun: 1993-08-02 (5:23:49) - 1993-08-02 (7:09:32)

> Moon: 1993-08-02 (7:09:32) - 1993-08-02 (10:05:39)

> Mars: 1993-08-02 (10:05:39) - 1993-08-02 (12:08:55)

> Rah: 1993-08-02 (12:08:55) - 1993-08-02 (17:25:53)

> Jup: 1993-08-02 (17:25:53) - 1993-08-02 (22:07:38)

>

> Let us interpret this dasa using the navamsa chart, which was

recommended by Parasara for seeing one's marriage.

>

> Saturn is the lord of Surya lagna. His MD is capable of giving

marriage. Taking Moon as the reference, Jupiter is the 7th lord in

7th. His AD is capable of giving marriage. Ketu is the 7th lord from

lagna and his PD can give marriage. Though Mars is also a 7th lord,

Ketu is the 7th lord in 5th and Mars is the 7th lord in 8th. So Ketu

is more capable of giving marriage than the other 7th lord Mars.

>

> The SD is of Venus. Why? Use chara karakas for SD. Moon is AK.

Venus is in 1st house from him. Moreover, he is the 7th lord from DK

(Mercury). DK shows spouse. The 7th from DK shows the native, from

the point of view of interacting with spouse. Its lord is Venus. The

link between AK and the 7th from DK should be seen for finding the SD

of marriage. It is Venus here.

>

> Pranapada lagna in navamsa chart is in Aquarius. From Aq, Saturn is

the 1st lord in 7th. Due to exchange with Sun, he in fact gives the

results of 7th lord in 7th. So, he is the perfect candidate for

giving marriage in his PAD. Finally, DAD is again that of Ketu and it

was explained earlier.

>

> The native for married in Ketu DAD. Then all the guests had a

dinner, but the native and his wife had to wait. They did more

rituals and got a chance to eat only after Venus DAD started. They

had dinner a little before midnight. Considering that Venus is the

2nd lord in rasi chart, he can give nice food. Being the 9th lord in

rasi chart, he can also give rituals etc. The native and his wife

continued the rituals for a few more hours, after the nice wedding

dinner. They left for home early in the dinner and slept for a few

hours. During Sun DAD, the native was sleeping. It may be noted that

Sun is the lord of the 12th house of sleep. Especially, as Sun is

placed in the 12th from PAD lord (Saturn) in rasi chart, apart from

owning the 12th house from lagna, his DAD is perfectly capable of

giving sleep.

>

> (2) The native lost his job on 12th August 2002 at 4:15 pm (EDT).

>

> The dasa calculations are given below:

>

> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

>

> Merc MD: 1994-12-28 (19:26:06) - 2011-12-29 (4:07:51)

> Moon AD: 2002-01-27 (1:32:55) - 2003-06-29 (2:15:01)

> Jup PD: 2002-06-27 (12:43:55) - 2002-09-06 (11:15:15)

> Ven SD: 2002-08-01 (13:33:03) - 2002-08-13 (9:16:40)

> Merc PAD: 2002-08-11 (0:36:45) - 2002-08-12 (16:45:13)

>

> Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

>

> Merc: 2002-08-11 (0:36:45) - 2002-08-11 (6:18:00)

> Ket: 2002-08-11 (6:18:00) - 2002-08-11 (8:38:31)

> Ven: 2002-08-11 (8:38:31) - 2002-08-11 (15:19:57)

> Sun: 2002-08-11 (15:19:57) - 2002-08-11 (17:20:23)

> Moon: 2002-08-11 (17:20:23) - 2002-08-11 (20:41:09)

> Mars: 2002-08-11 (20:41:09) - 2002-08-11 (23:01:38)

> Rah: 2002-08-11 (23:01:38) - 2002-08-12 (5:02:53)

> Jup: 2002-08-12 (5:02:53) - 2002-08-12 (10:23:58)

> >>>> Sat: 2002-08-12 (10:23:58) - 2002-08-12 (16:45:13)

>

> Let us interpret this dasa using the dasamsa (D-10) chart, which

was recommended by Parasara for seeing one's career.

>

> From Sun, Mercury is the 5th lord in 1st. His dasa does NOT show

getting laid off. But considering that this layoff was a small event

in a 17-year MD, it may not show up. Let us focus on AD and the

levels below it.

>

> Lord of AD is Moon. From Chandra lagna, Moon is the badhaka lord

debilitated in 1st. Moreover, he is placed in the 7th from MD lord

Mercury! The 7th house is the 2nd house (maraka sthana/killer

station) for the 6th house of service. Thus, Moon MD can give a

layoff and some uneasiness in career.

>

> PD lord is Jupiter. From AD lord Moon, Jupiter is in the 3rd house

of short breaks. The 3rd house has virodha argala on the 6th house of

service and breaks the sukha argala (driving intervention) of the 9th

house (fortune). Thus, 3rd house withdrawal of the aid of fortune in

one's career.

>

> Moreover, PD should be interpreted from lagna. From lagna, Jupiter

is the 7th lord (again, 2nd lord from 6th, i.e. death of service).

>

> When it comes to SD, go to chara karakas. The 6th from AmK shows

service (that is why palana devata is based on the 6th from AmK).

Venus is in the 2nd from there, showing the death of service again.

In fact, due to parivartana, Venus acts like Mercury, i.e. 2nd lord

placed in 2nd (from the 6th from AmK). The result is even stronger.

This Venus is placed in the 8th from AK. While the same Venus

connected the 7th from DK with AK in a positive way in the last

example, he connects the 6th from AmK with AK in a negative way here.

His SD broke the career.

>

> When it comes to PAD, we see that Sun is the 7th lord from

pranapada lagna, which is in Aq in D-10 too. Even taking the SD lord

Venus as the reference, Sun is the 3rd lord showing a short break.

So, clearly, Sun is the planet to give the result at the level of

PAD. Because Sun and Mercury are together in D-10, Mercury can give

Sun's result. Thus, Mercury PAD gave the layoff.

>

> Finally, when it comes to DAD, the answer is very clear. Always,

the event happens in the DAD of the strongest candidate from lagna to

give the result. When I started this example in the class, I asked

people, without opening the dasa calculations, to guess the DAD at

the time of layoff. Some guessed incorrectly at first. But, when

somebody suggested Saturn, that was the final consensus. The class

thought it should be Saturn. Then only I opened the calculations (we

projected a laptop to the screen and had JHora running in the laptop,

so that people could see all the calculations and interactively look

at various things).

>

> Why did people guess Saturn and reach a consensus on Saturn? I will

leave it to you to figure out. It's easy to see.

>

> If you cannot figure it out, I will give a hint. In fact, I'll give

two hints:

>

> (1) 6th lord of service,

> (2) marana karaka sthana!

>

> Conclusion

>

> These are just two simple examples. I covered many more examples in

the workshop. And, this was just a two hour session. There were two

complete days of the class, out of which I taught for 1.5 days.

Almost anything conceivable on Vimsottari dasa was covered, within

the limited time. It is not at all a bad idea to get the CD's. I

think everybody will have something or the other to learn. If I get

time later, I will try to write more on other things covered at the

workshop.

>

> Especially, Kashinatha Hora was another very good session by me. If

I get time later, I will try to post an article on it, so that the

important knowledge reaches everyone.

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

November 29, 2003

Typo:

> 2. Also, can you please quote which texts prescribe using Surya

lagna

> to analyze Rasi chart?

Should have been " ... to analyze maha dasa? ... "

November 30, 2003

Hare Rama Krishna,

Namaste Narasimha Ji,

I am very thankful for the wonderful method you have taught

us by giving few examples in your lesson. I have also applied

this method on few charts with few events known to me and it

works beautifully. Ofcouse the birth time accuracy was an

important factor and the rectification was done prior to this

exercise.

But I am having a trouble of re-producing your example-1

using my JH 5 commercial version for your chart and I am

gettinga different start time for your MD till DAD.

Can you please tell me what I could be doing wrong and why

I am not able to generate which should match to the dasa

sequence's which you have given in your example-1.

I am getting the following dasa sequence for the date

"1st Aug 1993" by using the following (your) birth data:-

===================================================

April 4, 1970

Time: 17:47:13

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 81 E 08' 00", 16 N 10' 00"

====

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Sat MD: 1975-12-30 (12:21:49) - 1994-12-30 (9:13:12)

Jup AD: 1992-06-17 (8:31:33) - 1994-12-30 (9:13:12)

Ket PD: 1993-07-24 (12:16:23) - 1993-09-17 (17:06:03)

Ven SD: 1993-07-27 (18:13:46) - 1993-08-06 (0:43:16)

Rah PAD: 1993-07-31 (2:00:20) - 1993-08-01 (11:23:13)

Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

Rah: 1993-07-31 (2:00:20) - 1993-07-31 (7:00:51)

Jup: 1993-07-31 (7:00:51) - 1993-07-31 (11:27:54)

Sat: 1993-07-31 (11:27:54) - 1993-07-31 (16:45:01)

Merc: 1993-07-31 (16:45:01) - 1993-07-31 (21:28:45)

Ket: 1993-07-31 (21:28:45) - 1993-07-31 (23:25:34)

Ven: 1993-07-31 (23:25:34) - 1993-08-01 (4:59:20)

Sun: 1993-08-01 (4:59:20) - 1993-08-01 (6:39:31)

==> Moon: 1993-08-01 (6:39:31) - 1993-08-01 (9:26:24)

Mars: 1993-08-01 (9:26:24) - 1993-08-01 (11:23:13)

Thanks for your help in advance.

Regards

Raghunadha Rao

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"

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