Guest guest Posted December 10, 2003 Report Share Posted December 10, 2003 If AL and UL are the same that indicates a giving nature/proven, my case/- since both are in 9thH, I would say the native can afford /too much?/ giving. Therefore, I assume if they are in trine, from native's perspective only /not marriage issues/, there will be 'happy balance between giving and receiving. Having said that conjunction of both, seems to imply 'excessive giving'. Along the same line, bad aspect may indicate tension between /seemingly, IMO/ opposite forces of giving-receiving. Wondering if we could see 'stinginess' there- not only in material sense, but in emotional as well. Seems good to explore= because AL-UL connection implies how the native /AL/ gives to significant others, spouse being just one of them /UL/?Regards, A."V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5 > wrote: Dear AruThe position of UL shows our giving. It also happens to be the 8th house of mysticism in this chart.generally for material purposes Ul in 8th is not so good, as 8th is a dusthana. So it could show problems with spouse, or rather relations with spouse. The fact that there are two great benefics in UL offsets this negativity, as people consider the native a "giver".The position of 2nd lord from UL must be considered for longevity of the first marriage or marriage like relationship. He is quite well placed.regardspartha--- In vedic astrology, "Aravinda" <aru_dulla> wrote:> Hello to gurus....I have an interesting chart with me here. The > native has AL and A7 in samasaptaka and in mutually badhak places, > with UL in a dusthana from AL. UL itself is in a dusthana in the > eighth house but in conjunction with AK jupiter and UL lord venus > and 7th lord mars and aspected by a whole host of five planets. Can > anyone give comments on this placement? I am confused with the array > of aspects and conjunctions on the UL. Please help me on this.> > Thank you Partha for you last response and and thanks again for your > response on this one > > birth data> DOB: July 17th 1977> TOB: 12:24 PM> POB: Melbourne, Australia> Lagna should be thula with venus , jupiter and mars in eighth house.> > regards> AruArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2003 Report Share Posted December 11, 2003 I obviously wasn't clear enough in my message- AL=UP Significant others-non-I, others- spouse being one of them, in a broader sense, are represented by UL- that's how I understand. If you are capable of giving to others what you would give to yourself- that's more than generous, isn't it? You can further elaborate on this, this how I see that- and that basicaly fits my perception, as well as how I am perceived by others. You can tell us if it's the same with you? Best wishes, Anna vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: Dear Anna ji and Partha JiI think i had asked this question before.Why is UL and AL together understood as, capable of more 'giving'.Is this giving relevant only in matters related to spouse or in general.Because Upa means secondary(sub) as well as 'near'.I have more interest because i too have this together(AL,UL) in the 10th house.ThanksPradeepvedic astrology, Anna <bona_mente> wrote:> Dear Partha,> > If AL and UL are the same that indicates a giving nature/proven, my case/- since both are in 9thH, I would say the native can afford /too much?/ giving.> > Therefore, I assume if they are in trine, from native's perspective only /not marriage issues/, there will be 'happy balance between giving and receiving. Having said that conjunction of both, seems to imply 'excessive giving'. > Along the same line, bad aspect may indicate tension between /seemingly, IMO/ opposite forces of giving-receiving. Wondering if we could see 'stinginess' there- not only in material sense, but in emotional as well. > Seems good to explore= because AL-UL connection implies how the native /AL/ gives to significant others, spouse being just one of them /UL/> ?> Regards,> A.> "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote:> Dear Aru> > The position of UL shows our giving. It also happens to be the 8th > house of mysticism in this chart.> > generally for material purposes Ul in 8th is not so good, as 8th is a > dusthana. So it could show problems with spouse, or rather relations > with spouse. The fact that there are two great benefics in UL offsets > this negativity, as people consider the native a "giver".> The position of 2nd lord from UL must be considered for longevity of > the first marriage or marriage like relationship. He is quite well > placed.> > regards> partha> > > > > vedic astrology, "Aravinda" <aru_dulla> > wrote:> > Hello to gurus....I have an interesting chart with me here. The > > native has AL and A7 in samasaptaka and in mutually badhak places, > > with UL in a dusthana from AL. UL itself is in a dusthana in the > > eighth house but in conjunction with AK jupiter and UL lord venus > > and 7th lord mars and aspected by a whole host of five planets. Can > > anyone give comments on this placement? I am confused with the > array > > of aspects and conjunctions on the UL. Please help me on this.> > > > Thank you Partha for you last response and and thanks again for > your > > response on this one > > > > birth data> > DOB: July 17th 1977> > TOB: 12:24 PM> > POB: Melbourne, Australia> > Lagna should be thula with venus , jupiter and mars in eighth house.> > > > regards> > Aru> > > Sponsor> > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Photos - easier uploading and sharingArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2003 Report Share Posted December 11, 2003 ....Resentfulness is /bad/ part of givers. Give not expecting anything /not even gratefulness/ in return- then GIVING becomes pure joy- That's the lesson for givers, I guess. You can give only if you have, isn't that good for givers? Regards, a.vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: Dear Anna jiI am totally with your view.But the problem is the more you give ,the more the further demand! Not in accordance with demand supply theory :)ThanksPradeepvedic astrology, Anna <bona_mente> wrote:> Dear Pradeep,> > I obviously wasn't clear enough in my message- AL=UP> Significant others-non-I, others- spouse being one of them, in a broader sense, are represented by UL- that's how I understand. If you are capable of giving to others what you would give to yourself- that's more than generous, isn't it? You can further elaborate on this, this how I see that- and that basicaly fits my perception, as well as how I am perceived by others. You can tell us if it's the same with you?> Best wishes,> Anna> > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> Dear Anna ji and Partha Ji> > I think i had asked this question before.Why is UL and AL together > understood as, capable of more 'giving'.Is this giving relevant only > in matters related to spouse or in general.Because Upa means > secondary(sub) as well as 'near'.> I have more interest because i too have this together(AL,UL) in the > 10th house.> > Thanks> Pradeep> vedic astrology, Anna <bona_mente> wrote:> > Dear Partha,> > > > If AL and UL are the same that indicates a giving nature/proven, > my case/- since both are in 9thH, I would say the native can > afford /too much?/ giving.> > > > Therefore, I assume if they are in trine, from native's > perspective only /not marriage issues/, there will be 'happy balance > between giving and receiving. Having said that conjunction of both, > seems to imply 'excessive giving'. > > Along the same line, bad aspect may indicate tension > between /seemingly, IMO/ opposite forces of giving-receiving. > Wondering if we could see 'stinginess' there- not only in material > sense, but in emotional as well. > > Seems good to explore= because AL-UL connection implies how the > native /AL/ gives to significant others, spouse being just one of > them /UL/> > ?> > Regards,> > A.> > "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote:> > Dear Aru> > > > The position of UL shows our giving. It also happens to be the 8th > > house of mysticism in this chart.> > > > generally for material purposes Ul in 8th is not so good, as 8th > is a > > dusthana. So it could show problems with spouse, or rather > relations > > with spouse. The fact that there are two great benefics in UL > offsets > > this negativity, as people consider the native a "giver".> > The position of 2nd lord from UL must be considered for longevity > of > > the first marriage or marriage like relationship. He is quite well > > placed.> > > > regards> > partha> > > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Aravinda" > <aru_dulla> > > wrote:> > > Hello to gurus....I have an interesting chart with me here. The > > > native has AL and A7 in samasaptaka and in mutually badhak > places, > > > with UL in a dusthana from AL. UL itself is in a dusthana in the > > > eighth house but in conjunction with AK jupiter and UL lord > venus > > > and 7th lord mars and aspected by a whole host of five planets. > Can > > > anyone give comments on this placement? I am confused with the > > array > > > of aspects and conjunctions on the UL. Please help me on this.> > > > > > Thank you Partha for you last response and and thanks again for > > your > > > response on this one > > > > > > birth data> > > DOB: July 17th 1977> > > TOB: 12:24 PM> > > POB: Melbourne, Australia> > > Lagna should be thula with venus , jupiter and mars in eighth > house.> > > > > > regards> > > Aru> > > > > > Sponsor> > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Photos - easier uploading and sharing> > > Sponsor> > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > Do you ?> New Photos - easier uploading and sharingArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... New Photos - easier uploading and sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2003 Report Share Posted December 17, 2003 Dear Mr. Arvinda, Somehow the reply was delayed, sorry. Instead of commenting on your queries, I would casually mention that Jaimini System is the only system in which the signs have mutual aspects and the aspects of 8th- 6th-7th sign are called the preferential aspects for M-F-C signs. Refer sutras, abhipashyanti...., Parshbhe.... and Tannishthasch.... The point which I want to make is that the signs in 8th-6th-7th to M-F-C signs (and the planets therein) get mutually connected and such aspects are the important aspects. Thus the relevance of dusthanas get surfaced better when seen through the eyes of Jaimini astrology. Hence, not only that you have to notice a planet in dusthanas, you have to note where it links and so on.. Further, the Upapada is the key point used to decipher about the spouse, her longevity and character, native's character, native's looks, native's children and co-borns. Since, the spouse and the children are the offshoot of the marriage, this key point is actively used to delineate the mariage timing in addition to the other parameters. Regards, Vijay Kumar - Aravinda vedic astrology Saturday, December 13, 2003 2:58 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Darapada and Upapada Dear Vijay...........I am referring to both Parasara and Jaimini philosophies. Since, I use the JHORA software, it gives all the arudha padas and I do not calculate seperately as I take the software for granted. I am not very clear on the badhakesh concept. But I can clearly see that the UL, AL and A7 are in dusthanas from each other with the AL and A7 in mutually badhak places. UL in a dusthana from AL does not speak well of the relationship between the native and the spouse. But, since there are two first rate benefics in the UL, this might be alleviated.Also, the UL is being aspected by a strong moon and other planets. This is another good sign. As there are too many influences on the UL I was confused to find the strongest influence on it. Since, I am a novice in astrology, I did not know how to interpret this and seeked help on this. Thanks for the reply anyway.regardsAruvedic astrology, "vijay kumar" <v_kumar@c...> wrote:> Dear arvinda,> > I hope, you are referring Jaimini system of astrology.> > By the way, I would like to know from you the following :> > Do you have badhaka concept in Jaimini ? > Has it been depicted in any Jaimini Sutra ?> What is the method you are following to calculate bhava arudhas ?> > Thanks,> > Vijay Kumar> > > - > Aravinda > vedic astrology > Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:34 AM> [vedic astrology] Darapada and Upapada> > > Hello to gurus....I have an interesting chart with me here. The > native has AL and A7 in samasaptaka and in mutually badhak places, > with UL in a dusthana from AL. UL itself is in a dusthana in the > eighth house but in conjunction with AK jupiter and UL lord venus > and 7th lord mars and aspected by a whole host of five planets. Can > anyone give comments on this placement? I am confused with the array > of aspects and conjunctions on the UL. Please help me on this.> > Thank you Partha for you last response and and thanks again for your > response on this one > > regards> Aru> > > Sponsor > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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