Should Regression be the first choice ? - Partha Ji- Moksha and Desire

[Guest guest]

Dear Partha Ji

 

Thanks for the mail and info about Rahu and Ketu.

I have one more question.

You have mentioned in one of your previous mails about true

happiness to be the cause of moksha and the three realted houses.

True Happiness shows no desire.And every act is an experience and

learning.Can this learning be achieved without really experiencing

it.I will quote an example.

 

If an individual is eating meat and has worldly pleasures does that

mean the soul has not attained total happiness related to these

matters in the past.And in the reverse case can we say the

individual has experienced these pleasures in the past life and has

no more desire left.Thus my question is, is it possible to have no

desire without really experiencing?

 

Respect

Pradeep

 

vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

<partvinu5> wrote:

> Dear Pradeep

>

> Please dont feel bad, as you have not made any mistake.

>

> THere are two nodes of Moon-perception, these are Rahu-illusions,

> Ketu-mistakes.

>

> Thus we think that we are "commiting" mistakes. But the truth is

we

> never make mistakes, it is an illusion. All are "experiences", and

> all are "learnings". Only through learning we reach a state

> of "awareness", when there is awareness there is "realisation".

> regards

> partha

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > Dear Partha Ji

> >

> > Forgive me for all the ignorance and stupid questions.It was the

> > impurity and ignorance in me which made me see things as dual.

> >

> > The same made me think of your case as exception.Nothing is

> > exception and everything is the same.

> >

> > I apologise again and understand astrology should be learned

only

> > after learning the 'real'.The philosophies,Puranas,Yogas and a

> > lot.Astrology should be the culmination.

> >

> > If one cannot understand the self (to look inward) how can he

> > understand the fate (cause and effect) and the cosmic energy.

> >

> > Nothing is seperate! The whole the real is to be understood

before

> > Astrology! Else we are seeing just a piece of paper or computer

> > screens with some planetary placements.

> >

> > Seeking the blessings

> > Pradeep

[Guest guest]

Dear Pradeep

 

There are different schools, one is that of renunciation and the

other is enjoyment and experience.

 

There is a third school-understanding.

 

Neither by giving up, nor by fulfilling the desire can we overcome

the desire. We need to understand the entire process of desire and

thought.

 

WHen we start meditation, instead of chanting mantras etc. Just watch

your breath, the thoughts, and understand why you get those thoughts.

Most of the times we try to interpret dreams!, but we cannot

interpret our own thoughts.

Try to understand them.

I do beleive that experiencing atleast once!! would make the

understanding better. I cannot understand meat eating, if i have

never eaten it. This life i havenot touched even a atom of meat, an

atom of cigarrete, an atom of alcohol. I was never even "tempted", it

was not as if i was controlling "myself" regarding the same. I just

did not like them!!

This is due to Virakti and Vairagya over these things in past lives.

regards

partha

 

 

vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

<vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> Dear Partha Ji

>

> Thanks for the mail and info about Rahu and Ketu.

> I have one more question.

> You have mentioned in one of your previous mails about true

> happiness to be the cause of moksha and the three realted houses.

> True Happiness shows no desire.And every act is an experience and

> learning.Can this learning be achieved without really experiencing

> it.I will quote an example.

>

> If an individual is eating meat and has worldly pleasures does that

> mean the soul has not attained total happiness related to these

> matters in the past.And in the reverse case can we say the

> individual has experienced these pleasures in the past life and has

> no more desire left.Thus my question is, is it possible to have no

> desire without really experiencing?

>

> Respect

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> <partvinu5> wrote:

> > Dear Pradeep

> >

> > Please dont feel bad, as you have not made any mistake.

> >

> > THere are two nodes of Moon-perception, these are Rahu-illusions,

> > Ketu-mistakes.

> >

> > Thus we think that we are "commiting" mistakes. But the truth is

> we

> > never make mistakes, it is an illusion. All are "experiences",

and

> > all are "learnings". Only through learning we reach a state

> > of "awareness", when there is awareness there is "realisation".

> > regards

> > partha

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > Dear Partha Ji

> > >

> > > Forgive me for all the ignorance and stupid questions.It was

the

> > > impurity and ignorance in me which made me see things as dual.

> > >

> > > The same made me think of your case as exception.Nothing is

> > > exception and everything is the same.

> > >

> > > I apologise again and understand astrology should be learned

> only

> > > after learning the 'real'.The philosophies,Puranas,Yogas and a

> > > lot.Astrology should be the culmination.

> > >

> > > If one cannot understand the self (to look inward) how can he

> > > understand the fate (cause and effect) and the cosmic energy.

> > >

> > > Nothing is seperate! The whole the real is to be understood

> before

> > > Astrology! Else we are seeing just a piece of paper or computer

> > > screens with some planetary placements.

> > >

> > > Seeking the blessings

> > > Pradeep

[Guest guest]

Dear Partha Ji

 

Thanks for your mail.

I was having a similar thought in mind.If you have never experineced

something, how could you have a virakti towards that.

Trying to 'understand' my thoughts is a tough job.Understanding all

habits might have a conflict with one's Dharmic duties? - I am scared

(though i shouldnt be scared!).Food habits are just a

habit.Discontinuing habits may be a sacrifice.But that wont

help.Because Virakti should come by its own (i mean not through

force).Ok i can think like this,one should go a bit deep about the

food,not only food about all our acts.Then may be we could get some

clue!The real reason may be lack of 'awareness'.

 

Thanks again for the valuable thoughts

Pradeep

 

 

vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

<partvinu5> wrote:

> Dear Pradeep

>

> There are different schools, one is that of renunciation and the

> other is enjoyment and experience.

>

> There is a third school-understanding.

>

> Neither by giving up, nor by fulfilling the desire can we overcome

> the desire. We need to understand the entire process of desire and

> thought.

>

> WHen we start meditation, instead of chanting mantras etc. Just

watch

> your breath, the thoughts, and understand why you get those

thoughts.

> Most of the times we try to interpret dreams!, but we cannot

> interpret our own thoughts.

> Try to understand them.

> I do beleive that experiencing atleast once!! would make the

> understanding better. I cannot understand meat eating, if i have

> never eaten it. This life i havenot touched even a atom of meat,

an

> atom of cigarrete, an atom of alcohol. I was never even "tempted",

it

> was not as if i was controlling "myself" regarding the same. I

just

> did not like them!!

> This is due to Virakti and Vairagya over these things in past

lives.

> regards

> partha

>

>

> vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > Dear Partha Ji

> >

> > Thanks for the mail and info about Rahu and Ketu.

> > I have one more question.

> > You have mentioned in one of your previous mails about true

> > happiness to be the cause of moksha and the three realted houses.

> > True Happiness shows no desire.And every act is an experience

and

> > learning.Can this learning be achieved without really

experiencing

> > it.I will quote an example.

> >

> > If an individual is eating meat and has worldly pleasures does

that

> > mean the soul has not attained total happiness related to these

> > matters in the past.And in the reverse case can we say the

> > individual has experienced these pleasures in the past life and

has

> > no more desire left.Thus my question is, is it possible to have

no

> > desire without really experiencing?

> >

> > Respect

> > Pradeep

> >

> > vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy"

> > <partvinu5> wrote:

> > > Dear Pradeep

> > >

> > > Please dont feel bad, as you have not made any mistake.

> > >

> > > THere are two nodes of Moon-perception, these are Rahu-

illusions,

> > > Ketu-mistakes.

> > >

> > > Thus we think that we are "commiting" mistakes. But the truth

is

> > we

> > > never make mistakes, it is an illusion. All are "experiences",

> and

> > > all are "learnings". Only through learning we reach a state

> > > of "awareness", when there is awareness there is "realisation".

> > > regards

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"

> > > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:

> > > > Dear Partha Ji

> > > >

> > > > Forgive me for all the ignorance and stupid questions.It was

> the

> > > > impurity and ignorance in me which made me see things as

dual.

> > > >

> > > > The same made me think of your case as exception.Nothing is

> > > > exception and everything is the same.

> > > >

> > > > I apologise again and understand astrology should be learned

> > only

> > > > after learning the 'real'.The philosophies,Puranas,Yogas and

a

> > > > lot.Astrology should be the culmination.

> > > >

> > > > If one cannot understand the self (to look inward) how can

he

> > > > understand the fate (cause and effect) and the cosmic energy.

> > > >

> > > > Nothing is seperate! The whole the real is to be understood

> > before

> > > > Astrology! Else we are seeing just a piece of paper or

computer

> > > > screens with some planetary placements.

> > > >

> > > > Seeking the blessings

> > > > Pradeep