Guest guest Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Anna, > I am wondering about the reason you placed so much importance on analysis up to the sixth level Vimsottari. > What is predictive value of such juggler's 'complication' with overwhelming calculation, overload of concepts? Even Parashara has spent 13 Chapters in BPHS for just Vimshottari dasa upto 6 levels. What Narasimhaji has taught is very valuable and this exercise will help us solve many problems in astrology. You can either take this exercise as Virgoin primness or as an exercise which could help solve many other astrological issues like Special lagna's (Nisheka, Ghatika etc), Ayanamsa, Kaalachakra dasa etc. Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran Om Tat Sat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 Dear Narasimha, I am wondering about the reason you placed so much importance on analysis up to the sixth level Vimsottari. What is predictive value of such juggler's 'complication' with overwhelming calculation, overload of concepts? That we might be able to "know" post-factum and explain past event? I feel most people get irritated by 'beautiful concepts sterile in terms of prediction. You clearly listed obstacles /maybe we don't know enough about Moon's long, maybe some other forces intervene, even than we should deduct 1hour etc../, we all know that birth times need rectification, most people are not good in predictions, and instead of strengthening what we've learned so far, and dwelling on better interpretation of already discussed techniques, we are "showered" by new and new and new prediction tools promising us that if we escape all known and unknown obstacles /plus trust your experience for correction!sic!/ we'll be able to say what will happen in the small segment covering couple of hours of time! And we all have clearly seen that prediction business for much longer duration and more important events is not even close to smooth successful, accurate. Nobody bothers to do research to prove anything- besides as Jay says theory is one thing, practice another. But based on which assumption, you decided to go and teach sixth-level, up to Deha. I like stories, I like myths- but I wish to se Jyotish astrology fulfilling its major task- accurate prediction. I am wondering why and who will buy this? Narasimha, I hope you'll see this as a friendly, my personal view, only Nothing personal and malicious intended- I hope it's clear enough to everybody Best wishes, Anna Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 vedic astrology, Anna <bona_mente> wrote: Dear Narasimha, I am wondering about the reason you placed so much importance on analysis up to the sixth level Vimsottari. What is predictive value of such juggler's 'complication' with overwhelming calculation, overload of concepts? That we might be able to "know" post-factum and explain past event? I feel most people get irritated by 'beautiful concepts sterile in terms of prediction. You clearly listed obstacles /maybe we don't know enough about Moon's long, maybe some other forces intervene, even than we should deduct 1hour etc../, we all know that birth times need rectification, most people are not good in predictions, and instead of strengthening what we've learned so far, and dwelling on better interpretation of already discussed techniques, we are "showered" by new and new and new prediction tools promising us that if we escape all known and unknown obstacles /plus trust your experience for correction!sic!/ we'll be able to say what will happen in the small segment covering couple of hours of time! And we all have clearly seen that prediction business for much longer duration and more important events is not even close to smooth successful, accurate. Nobody bothers to do research to prove anything- besides as Jay says theory is one thing, practice another. But based on which assumption, you decided to go and teach sixth- level, up to Deha. I like stories, I like myths- but I wish to se Jyotish astrology fulfilling its major task- accurate prediction. I am wondering why and who will buy this? Narasimha, I hope you'll see this as a friendly, my personal view, only Nothing personal and malicious intended- I hope it's clear enough to everybody Best wishes, Anna Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Hello Anna: Nicely written, I agree that we are over-bombarded with NEW techniques and "previously hidden, now disclosed to all" theories about jyothish. Anna, I grew up in India and I've heard over and over again crooked astrologers talking about "famlily prediction secrets he learned from grandpa or great-grandpa" that he is NOW opening up to the public, etc. etc. I've even heard Sanjay talk about some "family jyotish secrets he learned from grandpa kashinath" that he is NOW opening up to the public.--what mumbo, jumbo. I'm just getting over several months of attempting to learn the "Systems Approach" which looked sexy at first, but which was a big heap of crap that didn't work or didn't make sense and deviated too much from the principles of the original masters Parashara and Satyacharya. The truth is one doesn't need to look at a million different lagnas or a million different dashas to make predictions. Planets is houses and planets in rashis is GOOD enough to make a GOOD prediction. The reality is that even if one is predicting at the most basic level, the planets in rashis and planets in houses is DIFFICULT to master AS each planet gives MANY different types of results for the same combination. Just look at Bill Gates' chart--debilitated Sun, one would predict him to be a faliure in managerial capacity, poor relationship with father or poor health of the father. However, a debilitated Sun casued Bill to control EVERYTHING and annihlate ALL competitors. This debilitated Sun made him extremely possessive about his father and his reputation--I see most of the charities here in Seattle area named after Bill's father. I have a friend who had debilitated Saturn, one would predict a poor, wealth-less man. However, my friend is extremely wealthy; however, day and night all he thinks about is money, despite having all this wealth, he FEELS poor. The point I'm making is that it takes a LIFETIME to learn what planets in rashis and planets in houses REALLY mean and what sort of results would they give SO why get involved with a MILLION lagnas and a MILLION dashas??? Just keep it simple and stay at the most basic level of Jyotish (planets in houses and planets in rashish) which in itself is so unpredictable. And, the reality is that NO ASTROLOGER including the great ones like Sanjay, KN Rao, Braha, Huock (deceased), Rohini Ranjan can make an accurate prediction. -- Ya, they are all VERY GOOD at post- moterm,i.e. associating events (after they've happened) to planetary combinations; howeve, none can make an accurate prediction or even dare to make predictions as the probability of failing is extremely high and they know it. -- Just take the case of Sachin Tendulkar, if you ask one of these great astrologers, ALL will come up with some planetary excuse for his recent faliures; however, no-one accurately predicted his faliure (before the fact), in-fact, Narshimha predicted a GOOD score for Sachin. Mukund vedic astrology, Anna <bona_mente> wrote: > > > Anna <bona_mente> wrote:Dear Narasimha, > > I am wondering about the reason you placed so much importance on analysis up to the sixth level Vimsottari. > What is predictive value of such juggler's 'complication' with overwhelming calculation, overload of concepts? > That we might be able to > "know" post-factum and explain past event? I feel most people get irritated by 'beautiful concepts sterile in terms of > prediction. You clearly listed obstacles /maybe we don't know enough about Moon's long, maybe some other > forces intervene, even than we should deduct 1hour etc../, we all know that birth times need rectification, most > people are not good in predictions, and instead of strengthening what we've learned so far, and dwelling on better > interpretation of already discussed techniques, we are "showered" by new and new and new prediction tools > promising us that if we escape all known and unknown obstacles /plus trust your experience for correction!sic!/ > we'll be able to say what will happen in the small segment covering couple of hours of time! And we all have clearly > seen that prediction business for much longer duration and more important events is not even close to > smooth successful, accurate. Nobody bothers to do research to prove anything- besides as Jay says theory is > one thing, practice another. > > But based on which assumption, you decided to go and teach sixth- level, up to Deha. I like stories, I like myths- > but I wish to se Jyotish astrology fulfilling its major task- accurate prediction. I am wondering why and who will buy this? > Narasimha, I hope you'll see this as a friendly, my personal view, only > Nothing personal and malicious intended- I hope it's clear enough to everybody > > Best wishes, > Anna > > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2003 Report Share Posted December 26, 2003 Dear Mukund, I am sorry, it seems to me that you used my post to 'upgrade'it toooo far from my initial intention- I am not happy with that! In fact, most obvious thing that I picked up from your mail is that you are- angry! No, Mukund, NO! That applies in general, I am unable to comment on what you wrote in detail, and frankly don't feel it would make any difference for you. And your statements are sooo generalized /some unfounded altogether/ that hardly fit in 'constructive criticism' category- which is the only one worth commenting, IMHO. Just one thing I want to mention- if it's not for that knowledge from traditional sources, 'parampara', /which Sanjay generously shared with us all!/, would we be able to get pieces together from /partly lost, translated,interpreted, and changed, in the course of time, etc/ classic texts, ONLY, available to us now? You are certainly free to do that- /I hear you that you are an Indian, that's fine, you may know more than I do, but in absence of better arguments, the fact that I am non-Indian doesn't deprive me of my right to have an opinion on an Indian science, as Jyotish is- hope you'd agree/ Best regards, Anna vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > Hello Anna: > > Nicely written, I agree that we are over-bombarded with NEW > techniques and "previously hidden, now disclosed to all" theories > about jyothish. > > Anna, I grew up in India and I've heard over and over again crooked > astrologers talking about "famlily prediction secrets he learned from > grandpa or great-grandpa" that he is NOW opening up to the public, > etc. etc. I've even heard Sanjay talk about some "family jyotish > secrets he learned from grandpa kashinath" that he is NOW opening up > to the public.--what mumbo, jumbo. > > I'm just getting over several months of attempting to learn > the "Systems Approach" which looked sexy at first, but which was a > big heap of crap that didn't work or didn't make sense and deviated > too much from the principles of the original masters Parashara and > Satyacharya. > > The truth is one doesn't need to look at a million different lagnas > or a million different dashas to make predictions. > > Planets is houses and planets in rashis is GOOD enough to make a GOOD > prediction. The reality is that even if one is predicting at the most > basic level, the planets in rashis and planets in houses is > DIFFICULT to master AS each planet gives MANY different types of > results for the same combination. > > Just look at Bill Gates' chart--debilitated Sun, one would predict > him to be a faliure in managerial capacity, poor relationship with > father or poor health of the father. However, a debilitated Sun > casued Bill to control EVERYTHING and annihlate ALL competitors. This > debilitated Sun made him extremely possessive about his father and > his reputation--I see most of the charities here in Seattle area > named after Bill's father. > > I have a friend who had debilitated Saturn, one would predict a poor, > wealth-less man. However, my friend is extremely wealthy; however, > day and night all he thinks about is money, despite having all this > wealth, he FEELS poor. > > The point I'm making is that it takes a LIFETIME to learn what > planets in rashis and planets in houses REALLY mean and what sort of > results would they give SO why get involved with a MILLION lagnas and > a MILLION dashas??? Just keep it simple and stay at the most basic > level of Jyotish (planets in houses and planets in rashish) which in > itself is so unpredictable. > > And, the reality is that NO ASTROLOGER including the great ones like > Sanjay, KN Rao, Braha, Huock (deceased), Rohini Ranjan can make an > accurate prediction. -- Ya, they are all VERY GOOD at post- > moterm,i.e. associating events (after they've happened) to planetary > combinations; howeve, none can make an accurate prediction or even > dare to make predictions as the probability of failing is extremely > high and they know it. -- Just take the case of Sachin Tendulkar, if > you ask one of these great astrologers, ALL will come up with some > planetary excuse for his recent faliures; however, no-one accurately > predicted his faliure (before the fact), in-fact, Narshimha predicted > a GOOD score for Sachin. > > Mukund vedic astrology, Anna <bona_mente> wrote: > > > > > > Anna <bona_mente> wrote:Dear Narasimha, > > > > I am wondering about the reason you placed so much importance on > analysis up to the sixth level Vimsottari. > > What is predictive value of such juggler's 'complication' with > overwhelming calculation, overload of concepts? > > That we might be able to > > "know" post-factum and explain past event? I feel most people get > irritated by 'beautiful concepts sterile in terms of > > prediction. You clearly listed obstacles /maybe we don't know > enough about Moon's long, maybe some other > > forces intervene, even than we should deduct 1hour etc../, we all > know that birth times need rectification, most > > people are not good in predictions, and instead of strengthening > what we've learned so far, and dwelling on better > > interpretation of already discussed techniques, we are "showered" > by new and new and new prediction tools > > promising us that if we escape all known and unknown > obstacles /plus trust your experience for correction!sic!/ > > we'll be able to say what will happen in the small segment > covering couple of hours of time! And we all have clearly > > seen that prediction business for much longer duration and more > important events is not even close to > > smooth successful, accurate. Nobody bothers to do research to prove > anything- besides as Jay says theory is > > one thing, practice another. > > > > But based on which assumption, you decided to go and teach sixth- > level, up to Deha. I like stories, I like myths- > > but I wish to se Jyotish astrology fulfilling its major task- > accurate prediction. I am wondering why and who will buy this? > > Narasimha, I hope you'll see this as a friendly, my personal view, > only > > Nothing personal and malicious intended- I hope it's clear enough > to everybody > > > > Best wishes, > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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