Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 Dear Mofie, 3rd lord debilitates forms a raja yoga, so that is why Jupiter is preferred in lagna in capricorn. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Mofie Augustine [mofieA (AT) netscape (DOT) net] Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:04 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Guru'sYeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a capri lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is morefavourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is that though Guru cause the famous MahapurushaYoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in lagna?? Can anyone enlighten please?Thanks Mofieonlyhari wrote: ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---Dear Pradeep,Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an individual shall never be short of money or fulfillment of needs.The question is why?regardsHarivedic astrology, "Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar" <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote:> Respected members> > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is present,can> it still give some luck to the individual.I have found this from a> chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it aspects.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > > ****************************************************************************> The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the> person addressed. If you have received this message in error, please notify> us immediately by electronic mail, by telephone or by fax at the above num-> bers.> > E-mail communications are not secure and therefore we do not accept any res-> ponsibility for the confidentiality or altered contents of this message.> > Please be aware that SIS Group and its subsidiary companies cannot accept> any orders or other legally binding correspondence with a participant as> part of an E-mail. The views expressed above are not necessarily those held> by SIS Group and its subsidiary companies and not binding for them.> ************************************************************************exfeArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 Dear Ernst Jee So it means, for capri lagnas third house is pisces and hence its lord jupiter if debiliated gives rise to raja yoga.Am i right.Yes the individual about whom i am speaking has got fame and position in life but there was lots of bad luck. Thanks Pradeep Ernst Wilhelm [ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net] Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2003 17:02vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Mofie, 3rd lord debilitates forms a raja yoga, so that is why Jupiter is preferred in lagna in capricorn. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Mofie Augustine [mofieA (AT) netscape (DOT) net] Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:04 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Guru'sYeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a capri lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is morefavourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is that though Guru cause the famous MahapurushaYoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in lagna?? Can anyone enlighten please?Thanks Mofieonlyhari wrote: ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---Dear Pradeep,Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an individual shall never be short of money or fulfillment of needs.The question is why?regardsHarivedic astrology, "Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar" <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote:> Respected members> > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is present,can> it still give some luck to the individual.I have found this from a> chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it aspects.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > > ****************************************************************************> The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the> person addressed. If you have received this message in error, please notify> us immediately by electronic mail, by telephone or by fax at the above num-> bers.> > E-mail communications are not secure and therefore we do not accept any res-> ponsibility for the confidentiality or altered contents of this message.> > Please be aware that SIS Group and its subsidiary companies cannot accept> any orders or other legally binding correspondence with a participant as> part of an E-mail. The views expressed above are not necessarily those held> by SIS Group and its subsidiary companies and not binding for them.> ************************************************************************exfeArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... **************************************************************************** The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the person addressed. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by electronic mail, by telephone or by fax at the above num- bers. E-mail communications are not secure and therefore we do not accept any res- ponsibility for the confidentiality or altered contents of this message. Please be aware that SIS Group and its subsidiary companies cannot accept any orders or other legally binding correspondence with a participant as part of an E-mail. The views expressed above are not necessarily those held by SIS Group and its subsidiary companies and not binding for them. ***********************************************************************hexfe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 Dear Pradeep, yes, so Jupiter will cause raja yoga. There is one thing that gives rise in life- inspired activity, the other is the ability to overcome any obstacles that may come in one's way. Most raja yogas indicate inspired activity that is rewarded. The other type helps us overcome anything in the way, or get rid of what would otherwise get in our way. The 3rd lord debilitated is one such yoga that helps us get rid of what is in the way. One very big thing that gets in the way of success and also wellbeing is the inability to move beyond our paridigm- a problem can only be overcome by being solved on a higher level than it originated. The 3rd lord debilited, or a planet in the 3rd being debilitated gives this quality. Generally the yogas that help give success by overcoming obstacles do not give success the easy way as can other raja yogas. Often these yogas are seen in the charts of those who became successful in difficult times or through difficult experiences. War hereos are one such example. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar [PradeepKumar.Vijayadas (AT) sisclear (DOT) com] Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:10 AMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Ernst Jee So it means, for capri lagnas third house is pisces and hence its lord jupiter if debiliated gives rise to raja yoga.Am i right.Yes the individual about whom i am speaking has got fame and position in life but there was lots of bad luck. Thanks Pradeep Ernst Wilhelm [ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net] Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2003 17:02vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Mofie, 3rd lord debilitates forms a raja yoga, so that is why Jupiter is preferred in lagna in capricorn. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Mofie Augustine [mofieA (AT) netscape (DOT) net] Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:04 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Guru'sYeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a capri lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is morefavourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is that though Guru cause the famous MahapurushaYoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in lagna?? Can anyone enlighten please?Thanks Mofieonlyhari wrote: ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---Dear Pradeep,Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an individual shall never be short of money or fulfillment of needs.The question is why?regardsHarivedic astrology, "Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar" <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote:> Respected members> > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is present,can> it still give some luck to the individual.I have found this from a> chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it aspects.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > > ****************************************************************************> The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the> person addressed. If you have received this message in error, please notify> us immediately by electronic mail, by telephone or by fax at the above num-> bers.> > E-mail communications are not secure and therefore we do not accept any res-> ponsibility for the confidentiality or altered contents of this message.> > Please be aware that SIS Group and its subsidiary companies cannot accept> any orders or other legally binding correspondence with a participant as> part of an E-mail. The views expressed above are not necessarily those held> by SIS Group and its subsidiary companies and not binding for them.> ************************************************************************exfeArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted July 3, 2003 Report Share Posted July 3, 2003 Dear Chandrakeshar, Ernst has given a very valid thinking, 3rd, 6th and 8th lords in debilitation while Lagnesh is well placed, gives Raja Yoga see Parashara. Further, Tasmin Ucha Neecha Ve Shrimanath- Jaimini, so exalted and debilitated grahas are giver of wealth, If Guru is in Capricorn Lagna while, Shani is in own sign in kumbha, a great wealth may come Best wishes Zoran Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote: Dear Mofie, mahapurusha yoga is given rise to in any of the Quadrants, and not just 7th. The reason for Jupiter's good result in debilitation is that Jupiter is said to harm the house that he is placed in (Sthana Bhrashta), in exaltation his strength increases. Again he aspects his exaltation sign when placed in debilitation, leading to beneficial effects. As a matter of fact one learned Jyotishi, Shri Katwe, was of the firm opinion that it is the debilitated planets that give rise to benefic yogas. Of course this is not a generally held opinion. Chandrashekhar. Mofie Augustine wrote: Dear Guru's Yeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a capri lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is more favourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is that though Guru cause the famous Mahapurusha Yoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in lagna?? Can anyone enlighten please? Thanks Mofie onlyhari wrote: ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- Dear Pradeep, Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an individual shall never be short of money or fulfillment of needs. The question is why? regards Hari vedic astrology , "Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar" <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote: > Respected members > > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is present,can > it still give some luck to the individual.I have found this from a > chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it aspects. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > ********************************************************************* ******* > The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the > person addressed. If you have received this message in error, please notify > us immediately by electronic mail, by telephone or by fax at the above num- > bers. > > E-mail communications are not secure and therefore we do not accept any res- > ponsibility for the confidentiality or altered contents of this message. > > Please be aware that SIS Group and its subsidiary companies cannot accept > any orders or other legally binding correspondence with a participant as > part of an E-mail. The views expressed above are not necessarily those held > by SIS Group and its subsidiary companies and not binding for them. > ********************************************************************* ***exfe Archives: vedic astrology Group info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- Terms of Service .. Archives: vedic astrology Group info: vedic astrology/info.html Terms of Service .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2003 Report Share Posted July 4, 2003 Dear Ernst Jee The explanation given by you is amazing.The individual about whom i was mentioning did not get success by virtue of luck.He always had obstacles and diffulties to be overcomed.But somehow even during difficult times strength and energy were there in a persistent fashion.Thus this could be attributed to the debiliated raja yoga you had mentioned. Plus another interesting thing is this individual has jyeshta nakshathra in moon rashi.I had read somewhere jyeshta people have to fight and strive hard for success. Thanks a lot. Pradeep Ernst Wilhelm [ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net] Freitag, 4. Juli 2003 05:05vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Pradeep, yes, so Jupiter will cause raja yoga. There is one thing that gives rise in life- inspired activity, the other is the ability to overcome any obstacles that may come in one's way. Most raja yogas indicate inspired activity that is rewarded. The other type helps us overcome anything in the way, or get rid of what would otherwise get in our way. The 3rd lord debilitated is one such yoga that helps us get rid of what is in the way. One very big thing that gets in the way of success and also wellbeing is the inability to move beyond our paridigm- a problem can only be overcome by being solved on a higher level than it originated. The 3rd lord debilited, or a planet in the 3rd being debilitated gives this quality. Generally the yogas that help give success by overcoming obstacles do not give success the easy way as can other raja yogas. Often these yogas are seen in the charts of those who became successful in difficult times or through difficult experiences. War hereos are one such example. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar [PradeepKumar.Vijayadas (AT) sisclear (DOT) com] Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:10 AMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Ernst Jee So it means, for capri lagnas third house is pisces and hence its lord jupiter if debiliated gives rise to raja yoga.Am i right.Yes the individual about whom i am speaking has got fame and position in life but there was lots of bad luck. Thanks Pradeep Ernst Wilhelm [ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net] Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2003 17:02vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Mofie, 3rd lord debilitates forms a raja yoga, so that is why Jupiter is preferred in lagna in capricorn. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Mofie Augustine [mofieA (AT) netscape (DOT) net] Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:04 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Guru'sYeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a capri lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is morefavourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is that though Guru cause the famous MahapurushaYoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in lagna?? Can anyone enlighten please?Thanks Mofieonlyhari wrote: ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---Dear Pradeep,Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an individual shall never be short of money or fulfillment of needs.The question is why?regardsHarivedic astrology, "Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar" <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote:> Respected members> > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is present,can> it still give some luck to the individual.I have found this from a> chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it aspects.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > > ****************************************************************************> The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the> person addressed. If you have received this message in error, please notify> us immediately by electronic mail, by telephone or by fax at the above num-> bers.> > E-mail communications are not secure and therefore we do not accept any res-> ponsibility for the confidentiality or altered contents of this message.> > Please be aware that SIS Group and its subsidiary companies cannot accept> any orders or other legally binding correspondence with a participant as> part of an E-mail. The views expressed above are not necessarily those held> by SIS Group and its subsidiary companies and not binding for them.> ************************************************************************exfeArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Dear Pradeep, In that case, the prson comes up in life by dint of his own efforts. Sometimes he gets help of his brothers in his elevation. Chandrashekhar. Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar wrote: Message Dear Zoran ji and chandrashekar ji How could be the results if there is an exchange between lagna lord and debiliated 3rd lord.eg. for Capri lagna jupiter the lord of third is in lagna and shani lord of lagna is in third.What general results can be expected because of third and lagna lords. Thanks Pradeep Zoran Radosavljevic [ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net] Freitag, 4. Juli 2003 05:13 vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Chandrakeshar, Ernst has given a very valid thinking, 3rd, 6th and 8th lords in debilitation while Lagnesh is well placed, gives Raja Yoga see Parashara. Further, Tasmin Ucha Neecha Ve Shrimanath- Jaimini, so exalted and debilitated grahas are giver of wealth, If Guru is in Capricorn Lagna while, Shani is in own sign in kumbha, a great wealth may come Best wishes Zoran Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote: Dear Mofie, mahapurusha yoga is given rise to in any of the Quadrants, and not just 7th. The reason for Jupiter's good result in debilitation is that Jupiter is said to harm the house that he is placed in (Sthana Bhrashta), in exaltation his strength increases. Again he aspects his exaltation sign when placed in debilitation, leading to beneficial effects. As a matter of fact one learned Jyotishi, Shri Katwe, was of the firm opinion that it is the debilitated planets that give rise to benefic yogas. Of course this is not a generally held opinion. Chandrashekhar. Mofie Augustine wrote: Dear Guru's Yeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a capri lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is more favourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is that though Guru cause the famous Mahapurusha Yoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in lagna?? Can anyone enlighten please? Thanks Mofie onlyhari wrote: ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- Dear Pradeep, Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an individual shall never be short of money or fulfillment of needs. The question is why? regards Hari vedic astrology , "Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar" <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote: > Respected members > > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is present,can > it still give some luck to the individual.I have found this from a > chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it aspects. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > ********************************************************************* ******* > The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the > person addressed. If you have received this message in error, please notify > us immediately by electronic mail, by telephone or by fax at the above num- > bers. > > E-mail communications are not secure and therefore we do not accept any res- > ponsibility for the confidentiality or altered contents of this message. > > Please be aware that SIS Group and its subsidiary companies cannot accept > any orders or other legally binding correspondence with a participant as > part of an E-mail. The views expressed above are not necessarily those held > by SIS Group and its subsidiary companies and not binding for them. > ********************************************************************* ***exfe Terms of Service . Terms of Service . **************************************************************************** The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the person addressed. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by electronic mail, by telephone or by fax at the above num- bers. E-mail communications are not secure and therefore we do not accept any res- ponsibility for the confidentiality or altered contents of this message. Please be aware that SIS Group and its subsidiary companies cannot accept any orders or other legally binding correspondence with a participant as part of an E-mail. The views expressed above are not necessarily those held by SIS Group and its subsidiary companies and not binding for them. ***********************************************************************hexfe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Dear Ernst, I would think 3rd house in dusthanas , debilitated, would form a powerful Rajyoga. I am not certain he would form Rajyoga in any house. Of course I could be wrong. Chandrashekhar. Ernst Wilhelm wrote: Message Dear Charashekhar, yes, BPHS gives favorable results to the 3rd lord in the lagna, but I am talking about the 3rd lord being debilitated, whatever the house, forming a raja yoga, which is a different matter. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Friday, July 04, 2003 12:55 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Ernst, Does BPHS not attribute similar results to 3rd lord(Neither debilitated nor exalted) in 1st in chapter 24 shloka25? Chandrashekhar. Ernst Wilhelm wrote: Dear Pradeep, yes, so Jupiter will cause raja yoga. There is one thing that gives rise in life- inspired activity, the other is the ability to overcome any obstacles that may come in one's way. Most raja yogas indicate inspired activity that is rewarded. The other type helps us overcome anything in the way, or get rid of what would otherwise get in our way. The 3rd lord debilitated is one such yoga that helps us get rid of what is in the way. One very big thing that gets in the way of success and also wellbeing is the inability to move beyond our paridigm- a problem can only be overcome by being solved on a higher level than it originated. The 3rd lord debilited, or a planet in the 3rd being debilitated gives this quality. Generally the yogas that help give success by overcoming obstacles do not give success the easy way as can other raja yogas. Often these yogas are seen in the charts of those who became successful in difficult times or through difficult experiences. War hereos are one such example. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar [PradeepKumar.Vijayadas (AT) sisclear (DOT) com] Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:10 AM vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Ernst Jee So it means, for capri lagnas third house is pisces and hence its lord jupiter if debiliated gives rise to raja yoga.Am i right.Yes the individual about whom i am speaking has got fame and position in life but there was lots of bad luck. Thanks Pradeep Ernst Wilhelm [ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net] Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2003 17:02 vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Mofie, 3rd lord debilitates forms a raja yoga, so that is why Jupiter is preferred in lagna in capricorn. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Mofie Augustine [mofieA (AT) netscape (DOT) net] Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:04 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Guru's Yeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a capri lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is more favourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is that though Guru cause the famous Mahapurusha Yoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in lagna?? Can anyone enlighten please? Thanks Mofie onlyhari wrote: ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- Dear Pradeep, Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an individual shall never be short of money or fulfillment of needs. The question is why? regards Hari vedic astrology, "Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar" <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote: > Respected members > > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is present,can > it still give some luck to the individual.I have found this from a > chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it aspects. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > ********************************************************************* ******* > The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the > person addressed. If you have received this message in error, please notify > us immediately by electronic mail, by telephone or by fax at the above num- > bers. > > E-mail communications are not secure and therefore we do not accept any res- > ponsibility for the confidentiality or altered contents of this message. > > Please be aware that SIS Group and its subsidiary companies cannot accept > any orders or other legally binding correspondence with a participant as > part of an E-mail. The views expressed above are not necessarily those held > by SIS Group and its subsidiary companies and not binding for them. > ********************************************************************* ***exfe **************************************************************************** The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the person addressed. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by electronic mail, by telephone or by fax at the above num- bers. 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Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Sorry, I'm late, catching up with 'interesting messages.. Thanks for information- that deb.3rdH Lord forms raya yoga /VRY, I guess/ by virtue of its debilitation itself- no matter in which house is placed- How would you interpret if that happened to be 9th house? What would be the reason/s/ for favourable result/s/ of 3rdL in lagna? Courage...? Thanks, AnnaErnst Wilhelm <ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Charashekhar, yes, BPHS gives favorable results to the 3rd lord in the lagna, but I am talking about the 3rd lord being debilitated, whatever the house, forming a raja yoga, which is a different matter. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Friday, July 04, 2003 12:55 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Ernst,Does BPHS not attribute similar results to 3rd lord(Neither debilitated nor exalted) in 1st in chapter 24 shloka25?Chandrashekhar.Ernst Wilhelm wrote: Dear Pradeep, yes, so Jupiter will cause raja yoga. There is one thing that gives rise in life- inspired activity, the other is the ability to overcome any obstacles that may come in one's way. Most raja yogas indicate inspired activity that is rewarded. The other type helps us overcome anything in the way, or get rid of what would otherwise get in our way. The 3rd lord debilitated is one such yoga that helps us get rid of what is in the way. One very big thing that gets in the way of success and also wellbeing is the inability to move beyond our paridigm- a problem can only be overcome by being solved on a higher level than it originated. The 3rd lord debilited, or a planet in the 3rd being debilitated gives this quality. Generally the yogas that help give success by overcoming obstacles do not give success the easy way as can other raja yogas. Often these yogas are seen in the charts of those who became successful in difficult times or through difficult experiences. War hereos are one such example. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar [PradeepKumar.Vijayadas (AT) sisclear (DOT) com] Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:10 AMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Ernst Jee So it means, for capri lagnas third house is pisces and hence its lord jupiter if debiliated gives rise to raja yoga.Am i right.Yes the individual about whom i am speaking has got fame and position in life but there was lots of bad luck. Thanks Pradeep Ernst Wilhelm [ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net] Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2003 17:02vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Mofie, 3rd lord debilitates forms a raja yoga, so that is why Jupiter is preferred in lagna in capricorn. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Mofie Augustine [mofieA (AT) netscape (DOT) net] Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:04 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Guru'sYeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a capri lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is morefavourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is that though Guru cause the famous MahapurushaYoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in lagna?? Can anyone enlighten please?Thanks Mofieonlyhari wrote: ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---Dear Pradeep,Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an individual shall never be short of money or fulfillment of needs.The question is why?regardsHarivedic astrology, "Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar" <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote:> Respected members> > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is present,can> it still give some luck to the individual.I have found this from a> chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it aspects.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > > ****************************************************************************> The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the> person addressed. 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Guest guest Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Zoran, You wrote If Lagnesh is favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as exalted Surya, while if Lagnesh is unfavourable, this 3rd lord will act as neecha shani. Can you please exlain the principle behind this. Best Wishes Sarajit > <html><body> > > > <tt> > Om Namo Narayanaya,<BR> > Dear Anna,<BR> > <BR> > > <BR> > ><BR> > > What would be the reason/s/ for favourable result/s/ of 3rdL in lagna? <BR> > > Courage...?<BR> > ><BR> > > <BR> > ><BR> > > Thanks,<BR> > ><BR> > > Anna<BR> > ><BR> > If the 3rd lord is placed in lagna, a person would get all <BR> > significations of budh (natural ruler), intelligence, skills, witt, <BR> > dexterity, nimbleness,<BR> > skills in communications and arts, will be always on the move, etc, <BR> > Also, there would be signfications of Mangal (karaka), such as courage, <BR> > firmness,<BR> > strength of mind and body, physical capacity, energy, etc. If Lagnesh is <BR> > favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as exalted Surya, while if <BR> > lagnesh is unfavourable, this<BR> > 3rd lord will act as neecha shani,<BR> > Hope this helps,<BR> > Zoran<BR> > <BR> > </tt> > > <br> > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> > <td align=center><font size="-1" color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> > </tr> > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> > <td align=center width=470><a href="http://rd./M=249982.3512844.4795476.1261774/D=egroupweb/S =1705082686:HM/A=1524963/R=0/SIG=12o72ctft/*http://hits.411web.com/cgi- bin/autoredir?camp=556&lineid=3512844∝=egroupweb&pos=HM"><img src=" " alt="" width="300" height="250" border="0"></a></td> > </tr> > <tr><td><img alt="" width=1 height=1 src="http://us.adserver./l? M=249982.3512844.4795476.1261774/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=75847 6411"></td></tr> > </table> > > <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> > > > <br> > <tt> > Archives: <a href="vedic- astrology">vedic astrology</a><BR> > <BR> > Group info: <a href="vedic- astrology/info.html">vedic- astrology/info.html</a><BR> > <BR> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- <BR> > <BR> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......<BR> > <BR> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu ||</tt> > <br> > > <br> > <tt><a href=""> Terms of Service</a>.</tt> > </br> > > </body></html> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 Dear Ernst, For Leo ascendant does not venus also become lord of the 10th house, and the kendradhipati gets reduced being debilitated. Again I suspect his successes might have come when VenusMaha- Venus Antar was running as it would give contra results per Laghu Parashari. Anyway, let us say we agree to disagree. Chandrashekhar. Ernst Wilhelm wrote: Message Dear Chandrashekhar, in respect to the 3rd lord debilitated forming raja yoga, in the chart of Martin Harris, the music manager for his wife, Dona Lewis, 5/8/1955 5:55 Borehamwood UK, had great succes in Venus/Moon when Dona Lewis' song became the most ever played song on the radio or something like that. In the horoscope of Oscar Wilde, Leo Lagna with Venus as 3rd lord debilitated in 2nd, he had his greatest success in Venus dasa, though he was also imprisoned in Venus/Rahu. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Sunday, July 06, 2003 1:33 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Ernst, But the example you have given is of a person who has 3rd lord debilitated in 6th . This is lord of the 3rd in 6th a classic yoga strengthened by debilitation. I was talking about other houses which are benefic with 3rd lrd debilitated there. I know that in ascendant it might give some problems to siblings.Hence the query. Chandrashekhar. Ernst Wilhelm wrote: Dear Chadrashekhar, yes, he would form raja yoga in any other house, but if joined with a good house lord that house lord will suffer on account of his debilitation. Demi moore is one such example who has Mars as third lord debilitated in the 6th house and who rose to fame in Mars dasa in the 80's. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Saturday, July 05, 2003 1:49 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Ernst, I would think 3rd house in dusthanas , debilitated, would form a powerful Rajyoga. I am not certain he would form Rajyoga in any house. Of course I could be wrong. Chandrashekhar. Ernst Wilhelm wrote: Dear Charashekhar, yes, BPHS gives favorable results to the 3rd lord in the lagna, but I am talking about the 3rd lord being debilitated, whatever the house, forming a raja yoga, which is a different matter. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Friday, July 04, 2003 12:55 PM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Ernst, Does BPHS not attribute similar results to 3rd lord(Neither debilitated nor exalted) in 1st in chapter 24 shloka25? Chandrashekhar. Ernst Wilhelm wrote: Dear Pradeep, yes, so Jupiter will cause raja yoga. There is one thing that gives rise in life- inspired activity, the other is the ability to overcome any obstacles that may come in one's way. Most raja yogas indicate inspired activity that is rewarded. The other type helps us overcome anything in the way, or get rid of what would otherwise get in our way. The 3rd lord debilitated is one such yoga that helps us get rid of what is in the way. One very big thing that gets in the way of success and also wellbeing is the inability to move beyond our paridigm- a problem can only be overcome by being solved on a higher level than it originated. The 3rd lord debilited, or a planet in the 3rd being debilitated gives this quality. Generally the yogas that help give success by overcoming obstacles do not give success the easy way as can other raja yogas. Often these yogas are seen in the charts of those who became successful in difficult times or through difficult experiences. War hereos are one such example. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net -----Original Message----- Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar [PradeepKumar.Vijayadas (AT) sisclear (DOT) com] Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:10 AM vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Ernst Jee So it means, for capri lagnas third house is pisces and hence its lord jupiter if debiliated gives rise to raja yoga.Am i right.Yes the individual about whom i am speaking has got fame and position in life but there was lots of bad luck. Thanks Pradeep -----Original Message----- Ernst Wilhelm [ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net] Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2003 17:02 vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Mofie, 3rd lord debilitates forms a raja yoga, so that is why Jupiter is preferred in lagna in capricorn. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net -----Original Message----- Mofie Augustine [mofieA (AT) netscape (DOT) net] Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:04 AM vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Guru's Yeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a capri lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is more favourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is that though Guru cause the famous Mahapurusha Yoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in lagna?? Can anyone enlighten please? Thanks Mofie onlyhari wrote: ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- Dear Pradeep, Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an individual shall never be short of money or fulfillment of needs. The question is why? regards Hari vedic astrology, "Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar" <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote: > Respected members > > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is present,can > it still give some luck to the individual.I have found this from a > chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it aspects. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > ********************************************************************* ******* > The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the > person addressed. 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Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 Dear Zoran, I think the confusion arises as I was refering to the General statement that 3rd lord debilitated in any house gives rise to Rajyoga. You are refering to Saturn occupying 2nd house, being lord of Capricorn and thus AL being placed in 3rd. But here too Saturn would be 12th from AL and drain away what is earned by Jupiter in 11th from AL. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Zoran Radosavljevic wrote: Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Chandrakeshar, THere is an explicit shloka in Parashara that Lagnesh must be in strength, while 3rd/6th and 8th lords are neecha. In case I mentioned, if lagnesh goes to 2nd, jupiter would be neech in 11th from Arudha Lagna, great finance indeed.. Best wishes Zoran Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote: Dear Zoran, I thought the discussion did not mention anything about Lagnesh in strength, and was about Jupiter in Capricorn occupying Lagna. Or was I wrong? Again for Capricorn, Jupiter is also lord of the 12th. Chandrashekhar. Zoran Radosavljevic wrote: Dear Chandrakeshar, Ernst has given a very valid thinking, 3rd, 6th and 8th lords in debilitation while Lagnesh is well placed, gives Raja Yoga see Parashara. Further, Tasmin Ucha Neecha Ve Shrimanath- Jaimini, so exalted and debilitated grahas are giver of wealth, If Guru is in Capricorn Lagna while, Shani is in own sign in kumbha, a great wealth may come Best wishes Zoran Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote: Dear Mofie, mahapurusha yoga is given rise to in any of the Quadrants, and not just 7th. The reason for Jupiter's good result in debilitation is that Jupiter is said to harm the house that he is placed in (Sthana Bhrashta), in exaltation his strength increases. Again he aspects his exaltation sign when placed in debilitation, leading to beneficial effects. As a matter of fact one learned Jyotishi, Shri Katwe, was of the firm opinion that it is the debilitated planets that give rise to benefic yogas. Of course this is not a generally held opinion. Chandrashekhar. Mofie Augustine wrote: Dear Guru's Yeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a capri lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is more favourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is that though Guru cause the famous Mahapurusha Yoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in lagna?? Can anyone enlighten please? Thanks Mofie onlyhari wrote: ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- Dear Pradeep, Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an individual shall never be short of money or fulfillment of needs. The question is why? regards Hari vedic astrology , "Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar" <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote: > Respected members > > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is present,can > it still give some luck to the individual.I have found this from a > chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it aspects. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > ********************************************************************* ******* > The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the > person addressed. If you have received this message in error, please notify > us immediately by electronic mail, by telephone or by fax at the above num- > bers. > > E-mail communications are not secure and therefore we do not accept any res- > ponsibility for the confidentiality or altered contents of this message. > > Please be aware that SIS Group and its subsidiary companies cannot accept > any orders or other legally binding correspondence with a participant as > part of an E-mail. The views expressed above are not necessarily those held > by SIS Group and its subsidiary companies and not binding for them. > ********************************************************************* ***exfe Archives: vedic astrology Group info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- Terms of Service . Archives: vedic astrology Group info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- Terms of Service . Archives: vedic astrology Group info: vedic astrology/info.html Terms of Service .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, disagreeing is as good as agreeing, especially when it concernes debilitated planets, which when it comes down to it, I think, really have to be looked at very, very carefully. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:21 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Ernst, For Leo ascendant does not venus also become lord of the 10th house, and the kendradhipati gets reduced being debilitated. Again I suspect his successes might have come when VenusMaha- Venus Antar was running as it would give contra results per Laghu Parashari. Anyway, let us say we agree to disagree.Chandrashekhar.Ernst Wilhelm wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, in respect to the 3rd lord debilitated forming raja yoga, in the chart of Martin Harris, the music manager for his wife, Dona Lewis, 5/8/1955 5:55 Borehamwood UK, had great succes in Venus/Moon when Dona Lewis' song became the most ever played song on the radio or something like that. In the horoscope of Oscar Wilde, Leo Lagna with Venus as 3rd lord debilitated in 2nd, he had his greatest success in Venus dasa, though he was also imprisoned in Venus/Rahu. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Sunday, July 06, 2003 1:33 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Ernst,But the example you have given is of a person who has 3rd lord debilitated in 6th . This is lord of the 3rd in 6th a classic yoga strengthened by debilitation. I was talking about other houses which are benefic with 3rd lrd debilitated there. I know that in ascendant it might give some problems to siblings.Hence the query.Chandrashekhar.Ernst Wilhelm wrote: Dear Chadrashekhar, yes, he would form raja yoga in any other house, but if joined with a good house lord that house lord will suffer on account of his debilitation. Demi moore is one such example who has Mars as third lord debilitated in the 6th house and who rose to fame in Mars dasa in the 80's. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Saturday, July 05, 2003 1:49 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Ernst,I would think 3rd house in dusthanas , debilitated, would form a powerful Rajyoga. I am not certain he would form Rajyoga in any house. Of course I could be wrong.Chandrashekhar.Ernst Wilhelm wrote: Dear Charashekhar, yes, BPHS gives favorable results to the 3rd lord in the lagna, but I am talking about the 3rd lord being debilitated, whatever the house, forming a raja yoga, which is a different matter. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Chandrashekhar Sharma [boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Friday, July 04, 2003 12:55 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Ernst,Does BPHS not attribute similar results to 3rd lord(Neither debilitated nor exalted) in 1st in chapter 24 shloka25?Chandrashekhar.Ernst Wilhelm wrote: Dear Pradeep, yes, so Jupiter will cause raja yoga. There is one thing that gives rise in life- inspired activity, the other is the ability to overcome any obstacles that may come in one's way. Most raja yogas indicate inspired activity that is rewarded. The other type helps us overcome anything in the way, or get rid of what would otherwise get in our way. The 3rd lord debilitated is one such yoga that helps us get rid of what is in the way. One very big thing that gets in the way of success and also wellbeing is the inability to move beyond our paridigm- a problem can only be overcome by being solved on a higher level than it originated. The 3rd lord debilited, or a planet in the 3rd being debilitated gives this quality. Generally the yogas that help give success by overcoming obstacles do not give success the easy way as can other raja yogas. Often these yogas are seen in the charts of those who became successful in difficult times or through difficult experiences. War hereos are one such example. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar [PradeepKumar.Vijayadas (AT) sisclear (DOT) com] Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:10 AMvedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Ernst Jee So it means, for capri lagnas third house is pisces and hence its lord jupiter if debiliated gives rise to raja yoga.Am i right.Yes the individual about whom i am speaking has got fame and position in life but there was lots of bad luck. Thanks Pradeep Ernst Wilhelm [ernst (AT) vedic astrology (DOT) net] Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2003 17:02vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA. Dear Mofie, 3rd lord debilitates forms a raja yoga, so that is why Jupiter is preferred in lagna in capricorn. Jai Ram, Ernst Wilhelm www.vedic astrology.net Mofie Augustine [mofieA (AT) netscape (DOT) net] Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:04 AMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.Dear Guru'sYeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a capri lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is morefavourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is that though Guru cause the famous MahapurushaYoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in lagna?? Can anyone enlighten please?Thanks Mofieonlyhari wrote: ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---Dear Pradeep,Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an individual shall never be short of money or fulfillment of needs.The question is why?regardsHarivedic astrology, "Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar" <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote:> Respected members> > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is present,can> it still give some luck to the individual.I have found this from a> chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it aspects.> > Thanks> Pradeep> > > ****************************************************************************> The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the> person addressed. 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Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Anna, Dear`Zoran, Thanks, this is very important. I know how busy you are now, but e your posts are 'right to the point' less theorethical, more pragmatic- my favourite 'coctail' To make long story short, please write! Good luck Thanks, I will... How do you live on 40C? Anna I can manage...just never think about the temperature...mental trick:) Best wishes Zoran Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa (AT) NSpoint (DOT) net> wrote: Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Anna, > > > What would be the reason/s/ for favourable result/s/ of 3rdL in lagna? > Courage...? > > > > Thanks, > > Anna > If the 3rd lord is placed in lagna, a person would get all significations of budh (natural ruler), intelligence, skills, witt, dexterity, nimbleness, skills in communications and arts, will be always on the move, etc, Also, there would be signfications of Mangal (karaka), such as courage, firmness, strength of mind and body, physical capacity, energy, etc. If Lagnesh is favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as exalted Surya, while if lagnesh is unfavourable, this 3rd lord will act as neecha shani, Hope this helps, Zoran Archives: vedic astrology Group info: vedic astrology/info.html Terms of Service .. SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! Archives: vedic astrology Group info: vedic astrology/info.html Terms of Service .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Chandrakeshar, I agree that debilitated 3rd lord can give Raj Yoga if placed in any house, yet I beleive that the other factors should agree. Do you know the principles from Bhavarth Ratnakar, why as for example is Shani good in debilitation for dhanu lagna? If Not I shall explain soon... Must go to sleep.. Best wishes Zoran Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote: Dear Zoran, I think the confusion arises as I was refering to the General statement that 3rd lord debilitated in any house gives rise to Rajyoga. You are refering to Saturn occupying 2nd house, being lord of Capricorn and thus AL being placed in 3rd. But here too Saturn would be 12th from AL and drain away what is earned by Jupiter in 11th from AL. Regards, Chandrashekhar. Zoran Radosavljevic wrote: Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Chandrakeshar, THere is an explicit shloka in Parashara that Lagnesh must be in strength, while 3rd/6th and 8th lords are neecha. In case I mentioned, if lagnesh goes to 2nd, jupiter would be neech in 11th from Arudha Lagna, great finance indeed.. Best wishes Zoran Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote: Dear Zoran, I thought the discussion did not mention anything about Lagnesh in strength, and was about Jupiter in Capricorn occupying Lagna. Or was I wrong? Again for Capricorn, Jupiter is also lord of the 12th. Chandrashekhar. Zoran Radosavljevic wrote: Dear Chandrakeshar, Ernst has given a very valid thinking, 3rd, 6th and 8th lords in debilitation while Lagnesh is well placed, gives Raja Yoga see Parashara. Further, Tasmin Ucha Neecha Ve Shrimanath- Jaimini, so exalted and debilitated grahas are giver of wealth, If Guru is in Capricorn Lagna while, Shani is in own sign in kumbha, a great wealth may come Best wishes Zoran Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote: Dear Mofie, mahapurusha yoga is given rise to in any of the Quadrants, and not just 7th. The reason for Jupiter's good result in debilitation is that Jupiter is said to harm the house that he is placed in (Sthana Bhrashta), in exaltation his strength increases. Again he aspects his exaltation sign when placed in debilitation, leading to beneficial effects. As a matter of fact one learned Jyotishi, Shri Katwe, was of the firm opinion that it is the debilitated planets that give rise to benefic yogas. Of course this is not a generally held opinion. Chandrashekhar. Mofie Augustine wrote: Dear Guru's Yeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a capri lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is more favourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is that though Guru cause the famous Mahapurusha Yoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in lagna?? Can anyone enlighten please? Thanks Mofie onlyhari wrote: ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- Dear Pradeep, Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an individual shall never be short of money or fulfillment of needs. The question is why? regards Hari vedic astrology , "Vijayadas, Pradeep Kumar" <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote: > Respected members > > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is present,can > it still give some luck to the individual.I have found this from a > chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it aspects. > > Thanks > Pradeep > > > ********************************************************************* ******* > The content of this e-mail is intended only for the confidential use of the > person addressed. If you have received this message in error, please notify > us immediately by electronic mail, by telephone or by fax at the above num- > bers. > > E-mail communications are not secure and therefore we do not accept any res- > ponsibility for the confidentiality or altered contents of this message. > > Please be aware that SIS Group and its subsidiary companies cannot accept > any orders or other legally binding correspondence with a participant as > part of an E-mail. The views expressed above are not necessarily those held > by SIS Group and its subsidiary companies and not binding for them. > ********************************************************************* ***exfe Archives: vedic astrology Group info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- Terms of Service .. Archives: vedic astrology Group info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- Terms of Service .. Archives: vedic astrology Group info: vedic astrology/info.html To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- Terms of Service .. Archives: vedic astrology Group info: vedic astrology/info.html Terms of Service .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 Dear Rani, Neecha means debilitated. Perhaps you mean Avarohi Planet, the planet who passes his place of exaltation and approaches debilitation.As Mercury has passed his place of exaltation Virgo and approaching Pisces in Sagitarius he would be called Avarohi. The strength of VRY would be less than if he is in pisces. Chandrashekhar. raindancer_1998 [raindancer_1998 ]Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:30 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.dear Chandrashekharji, thank you for answering my question so wonderfully. This made it very clear. I have one other question though:does this mean that a "neecha" planet (or one in fall, like the mercury in sagittarius) would mean the same in a VRY as a debilitated planet (as in mercury in Pisces) in a dusthana? or would there be degrees in the strength of the VRY? I am trying to understand whether I would treat the VRY differently if the planet was in debilitation as opposed to being "neecha" or "fall". many thanks!rani.vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma" <boxdel> wrote:> Dear Rani,> VRY are of diferent strength, as the mane suggests the yoga occurs as the results are reverse of what is likely applying normal rules.The reason, or if you prefer, logic behind the yoga is a dusthana lord harms the house in which he is posited. If in another dusthana he spoils the results of the dusthana thus giving good results of that bhava. Now Debilitated malefic(even if functional here) is even greater malefic and hence destruction of bad effects is also proportionately greater.So the VRY caused thus is much more powerful than that caused by only the dusthana lord non debilitated.> About fall, if one undersatnds tha antiquity of vedic jyotish, it should be obvious that what we call yogas or tenets of other systems of astrology have a base in Vedic Astrology only.The reason that they were thought to have come from other system is that in ancient times the practice was to memorise shashtras rather than write it down.> Vedic astrology has given results of Aarohi and Avarohi planest in details. This means planet approaching its exaltation and debilitation respectively.> The answer to both your question is yes.> Chandrashekhar.> - > raindancer_1998 > vedic astrology > Friday, July 11, 2003 9:56 AM> [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.> > > Dear Chandrashekhar, I just checked BPHS and it is still confusing > to me. would a planet need to be "debilitated" to have VRY or > whether just being a dusthana planet in the dusthana house could > give rise to the yoga. also, would a planet in "fall", not > debilitation, be part of the yoga? or is "fall" solely a western > concept (as it seems I haven't encountered this word in jyotish at > all)? > > also, can you please tell me:> > 1) would mercury ruler of 3rd and 12th in 6th be VRY, and > > 2) would venus in virgo in 4th house opposite jupiter in pisces in > 10th be NBRY? > > many thanks.> > rani.> > > --- In vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma > <boxdel> wrote:> > Dear Zoran,> > I think the confusion arises as I was refering to the General > statement > > that 3rd lord debilitated in any house gives rise to Rajyoga. You > are > > refering to Saturn occupying 2nd house, being lord of Capricorn > and thus > > AL being placed in 3rd. But here too Saturn would be 12th from AL > and > > drain away what is earned by Jupiter in 11th from AL.> > Regards,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > Zoran Radosavljevic wrote:> > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya,> > > Dear Chandrakeshar,> > > THere is an explicit shloka in Parashara that Lagnesh must be in > > > strength, while 3rd/6th and 8th lords are neecha. In case I > mentioned, > > > if lagnesh> > > goes to 2nd, jupiter would be neech in 11th from Arudha Lagna, > great > > > finance indeed..> > > Best wishes> > > Zoran> > >> > > Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote:> > >> > >> Dear Zoran,> > >> I thought the discussion did not mention anything about Lagnesh > in > > >> strength, and was about Jupiter in Capricorn occupying Lagna. > Or was > > >> I wrong? Again for Capricorn, Jupiter is also lord of the 12th.> > >> Chandrashekhar.> > >>> > >> Zoran Radosavljevic wrote:> > >>> > >>> Dear Chandrakeshar,> > >>> Ernst has given a very valid thinking, 3rd, 6th and 8th lords > in > > >>> debilitation while Lagnesh is well placed, gives Raja Yoga> > >>> see Parashara. Further, Tasmin Ucha Neecha Ve Shrimanath- > Jaimini, > > >>> so exalted and debilitated grahas are giver of wealth,> > >>> If Guru is in Capricorn Lagna while, Shani is in own sign in > kumbha, > > >>> a great wealth may come> > >>> Best wishes> > >>> Zoran> > >>>> > >>> Chandrashekhar Sharma wrote:> > >>>> > >>>> Dear Mofie,> > >>>> mahapurusha yoga is given rise to in any of the Quadrants, > and not > > >>>> just 7th. The reason for Jupiter's good result in > debilitation is > > >>>> that Jupiter is said to harm the house that he is placed in > (Sthana > > >>>> Bhrashta), in exaltation his strength increases. Again he > aspects > > >>>> his exaltation sign when placed in debilitation, leading to > > >>>> beneficial effects. As a matter of fact one learned Jyotishi, > Shri > > >>>> Katwe, was of the firm opinion that it is the debilitated > planets > > >>>> that give rise to benefic yogas. Of course this is not a > generally > > >>>> held opinion.> > >>>> Chandrashekhar.> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Mofie Augustine wrote:> > >>>>> > >>>>> Dear Guru's> > >>>>>> > >>>>> Yeah I too had read somewhere in list before that for a > capri > > >>>>> lagna natives, a debiliated Guru in lagna is more> > >>>>> favourable for them than a exalted Guru in the 7th. Why is > that > > >>>>> though Guru cause the famous Mahapurusha> > >>>>> Yoga in the 7th but it's still better to have Guru deb. in > lagna?? > > >>>>> Can anyone enlighten please?> > >>>>>> > >>>>> Thanks> > >>>>>> > >>>>> Mofie> > >>>>>> > >>>>> onlyhari wrote:> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---> > >>>>>> Dear Pradeep,> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes, it can give luck to the individual and such an > individual shall> > >>>>>> never be short of money or fulfillment of needs.> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> The question is why?> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> regards> > >>>>>> Hari> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> --- In vedic astrology , "Vijayadas, > Pradeep Kumar"> > >>>>>> <PradeepKumar.Vijayadas@s...> wrote:> > >>>>>> > Respected members> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > If a debiliated jupiter (Jupiter in capricorn) in lagna is> > >>>>>> present,can> > >>>>>> > it still give some luck to the individual.I have found > this from a> > >>>>>> > chart.Can this jupiter still bless the houses which it > aspects.> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > Thanks> > >>>>>> > Pradeep> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> > *********************************************************************> > >>>>>> *******> > >>>>>> > The content of this e-mail is intended only for the > confidential> > >>>>>> use of the> > >>>>>> > person addressed. 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