Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna, Namaste Aman Ji, With your permission, I would like to give my opinion here. With my experience, (I am only about 10 months into Jyotish) and seen my own prediction have come true using my favorite Narayana Dasa upto the Deha-AntarDasa level. So I beg to dis-agree with you here. I would say we can not blame the system's accuracy, if the practitioner's knoweldge is not perfect, isn't it. If you go into archives, you will find tons of examples, exercises by Narasimha Ji and his brother Vijay, Narayana Iyer Ji and other studetns have discussed the Narayana Dasa in great deatail and even upto Deha-AntarDasa Level. That is how I have practised and learned this great dasa system. When you have decided to look into the archives, I would suggest to have the Narayana Dasa Book by Sanjay Ji and also the Narasimha Ji's book handy apart from your Sri KNRao Ji's books. Regarding V-Dasa upto 6 levels, I love this method and now I have two methods to verify my own thoughts. Thanks to Narasimha Ji for sharing this with us. Hope this will give you an idea on how some one else perceives the Narayana Dasa'a Capabilities in a different way. Regards Raghunadha Rao vedic astrology, "Aman sood" <amansr99@r...> wrote: > Dear Narsimahaji > From my experience I have seen Narayana Dasa does not Give accurate results.I am not sure if there is any basis for Narayana Dasa.Vimsohhatri Gives The best results. > OM > AMAN > > On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 Narasimha P.V.R. Rao wrote : > >Dear Kasim ji, > > > >Lagna's longitude is taken just like that of planets and the same procedure is applied. > > > >You are right. If lagna is in Leo in rasi chart, it can only be in Cancer or Leo in Kashinatha Hora chart. It cannot be in Scorpio as I mentioned. > > > >The idea was anyway that the lagna in hora chart does not matter when finding the Hora Narayana dasa. > > > >I cut & pasted that paragraph from an old article of mine on Dasamsa Narayana dasa and changed 10th lord Venus to 2nd lord Mercury. I left Scorpio alone and should've changed it to Cancer! Thank you for being alert and pointing this out. > > > >May Jupiter's light shine on us, > >Narasimha > > > > > Dear Narashimaji > > > Thank you for sharing this information. > > > > > > Theres only one thing I could not grasp. > > > > > > How does one find out the lagna of D2 Kashinatha Hora chart. > > > > > > I assume you take lagna degree in ascendant of Rasi chart => See whether > > > Rasi is odd or even and whether lagna degree is above or below 15 degrees. > > > And accordingly calculate appropriate rising sign in D2. > > > > > > > > > But in your mini example: > > > > > > "For example, suppose Leo rises in rasi chart and Scorpio rises in hora > > > chart. The 2nd house of rasi chart is Virgo. Its lord is Mercury. Suppose > > > Mercury is in Cancer in hora chart. Take Cancer as lagna. Start Hora > > > Narayana dasa from the stronger of Cancer and Capricorn and find dasa > > > sequence and dasa lengths treating hora chart as rasi chart." > > > > > > > > > Is it not impossible for Scorpio to rise in hora chart if leo rises in rasi > > > chart? > > > > > > I would have thought that if leo rises in rasi then only leo or cancer can > > > rise in hora. > > > > > > Just like a Sag rising in Rasi can only have Sag or Pisces rising in Hora. > > > > > > This is my perplexion. Hope you can help. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Kasim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Dear Aman ji, From my experience, Narayana dasa is the king of dasas. Also from my experience, some people like passing judgments on dasas that they do not know well enough. It is far more difficult to understand how a dasa works, than, say, simply declare that a dasa does not work. The latter's quite easy to do! Of course, Vimsottari dasa is an excellent dasa. Vimsottari dasa shows the outlook of the mind and how the mind experiences the world around it. Narayana dasas of various vargas show the ground reality and track the changes in various environments under which one operates. Padanaathaamsa dasa (a variation of Narayana dasa) shows how the interaction with various environments impacts one's image and status. Each of the above three is a very important dasa. Each offers a unique perspective into one's life. May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha > Dear Narsimahaji> From my experience I have seen Narayana Dasa does not Give accurate results.I am not sure if there is any basis for Narayana Dasa.Vimsohhatri Gives The best results.> OM> AMAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2003 Report Share Posted December 3, 2003 Dear and respected members I have seen references about Vimsottari Dasha being related to the mental perception of an individual,by Narasimha Rao ji.My knowledge is limited.But i have some doubts and i would be really happy and grateful if my doubts are cleared as this could help me in builiding my fundamentals. For eg eventhough Aiswarya Rai was the Miss world,this doesn't mean that she enjoyed total mental happiness during that period.This may be true as the person might have had personal difficulties or worries.But in current world one can never assume that she was unhappy just because of her material success.May be the side effects of material success could have caused problems.The very feeling of material success will never make her unhappy.Only in the case of saints there can be an effect.Even with them material success wont bring unhappiness - they won't feel any difference. Material success for common souls (to be honest, majority in the current world are only common souls) is not a perception.It is a reality.If one has money or power or luxury or fame he will percieve it as success.There is no other perception.Only relative perceptions can vary(What i see as more satisfactory can be less satisfactory for another,this is purely subjectivity due to diminishing marginal utility).But it is definitely a reality and not perception alone, only the degree varies.Of course in addition to this the individual might have mental tensions due to other reasons as well. Let us assume that Vimsottari dasha reveals mental perceptions(may be as moon is related to mind?).Thus if an individual has material success in todays material world he should be happy about that success.In that case Vimsottari Dasha should be able to reveal this success,which is real material success as well as percieved material success.If the dasha period is supposed to give mixed perception (good + bad feeling) then Vimsottari should reveal that. Thus, as Vimsottari Dasha is about analysing the minds perception, mind should be able to percieve success as well as unhappiness.Thus from my logic i cannot understand why Vimsottari Dasha should not be in a position to reveal material success.The relevance of my undersatnding is supported by the mental nature of todays world - Purely Material(ofcourse an exception of 1% can be there) ! Also if Vimsottari is all about minds perception,why should we use other nakshathras like - Lagna, Utpanna and all.Minds main connection is with Moon - whether moon is strong or weak perception is felt through mind. The learned members are scholars with lots of experience and hence a question from a beginner may not have much significance.But this has been puzlling me since, my observation of various Dasha systems.(I cannot comment on other dashas as i have little knowledge). Kindly throw light. Respect Pradeep vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Dear Aman ji, > > From my experience, Narayana dasa is the king of dasas. > > Also from my experience, some people like passing judgments on dasas that they do not know well enough. It is far more difficult to understand how a dasa works, than, say, simply declare that a dasa does not work. The latter's quite easy to do! > > Of course, Vimsottari dasa is an excellent dasa. > > Vimsottari dasa shows the outlook of the mind and how the mind experiences the world around it. Narayana dasas of various vargas show the ground reality and track the changes in various environments under which one operates. Padanaathaamsa dasa (a variation of Narayana dasa) shows how the interaction with various environments impacts one's image and status. > > Each of the above three is a very important dasa. Each offers a unique perspective into one's life. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha > > > Dear Narsimahaji > > From my experience I have seen Narayana Dasa does not Give accurate results.I am not sure if there is any basis for Narayana Dasa.Vimsohhatri Gives The best results. > > OM > > AMAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2003 Report Share Posted December 4, 2003 Dear Partha Ji Your mail made me to serach for the cognitive term Perception. ''Sensation tells us there are objects in the world outside ourselves; perception tells us what and where they are and what they are doing. Together, our sensations and perceptions link our brains to the world and allow us to form mental representations of reality.'' Thus when I perceive material success in another person - my brain is able to identify(or conform with) in that person, 'my understanding' about material success.If I am perceiving material success in me - I am able to identify that in myself. Thus I understand your explanation.Perception is trying to identify with, what we have defined as reality. But it is maya and the real Reality is different. But when an astrologer mentions the term perception or 'reality', I belive he is mentioning the maya and not the reality.Thus Vimsottari is revealing Maya or Reality ? I believe it is revealing Maya,the same is with Narayana or any other dasha used in todays context by astrologers.If it reveals the Reality then the soul is enlightened and it will not see maya any more.Whatever Bhagavan reveals in this world is Maya though our aim is to see reality.Thus all the tools we use today are the same.There is no difference at all.The diffrence lies only in the way we approach the tool. Arudha itself if understood in this terms is Maya.The reality is self.But we ourselves don't know who we are (or the reality) until we are enlightened.Thus our perception about ourselves is Arudha or Maya, as is the case with our perception about others until realization. Thus we cannot say one represents mental perceptions and the other represents something else.In this world when we are trying to see something it is the same until you rise. Thus my opinion is Vimsottari or Narayana sees the same thing.We are interpreting in different ways because of our dual feeling.But if Narayana represents the 'Reality' then we wont be able to understand it at all. We can choose what we like.Vimsottari explains things in one way Narayana in another.Perception is different I agree but finally what is perceived is the same.Because only Maya can be perceived. Thus if Aiswarya Rai perceives material success she has experienced something what she thinks as success.If others see success in her they see what they understand as success.If she has pain inside her it is her perception of non happiness which gives the feeling of pain.In fact all are perception.Where is the Reality then? Thus any tool which is divine - (these tools are only discoveries - not inventions - it was there and will be for ever) can reveal all.It all matters what we want to see. Thus I agree with you Partha Ji if Narayana Dasha is for seeing 'Reality' - then we cannot use it for seeing perception.There is a big difference. I was able to see this diffrence only because of your guidance.He comes in many forms.He makes you speak.He makes me understand as well. This is my view.Other Guru jis may guide me towards reality if i am wrong. Respect Pradeep vedic astrology, "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote: > Dear Pradeep > > Let us understand the term perception. According to the definition > given by psychologists, Perception is the "meaning" given to a > reality. > > What is this meaning. This "meaning" is an interpretation, a > simplification , an understanding and a "feeling" of a reality. > > In essence everything in this world in this universe that > has "manifested" is a "perception". This manifestation of > the "reality" that is Narayana, or the Samba shiva can be seen in the > form of "Lakshmi" and "pravati". > > The reality is the winning of Wimbledon, that is all about it. Tennis > players are hungry for that elusive trophy, once the "Narayana" gives > consent for a "yoga", there is the flow of "prakriti", money, fame > and rewards for the "reality". > > Reality is not a "name". It is not a "term", it is "indescribable". > it is "unmanifested", it is a "truth", it is interval between "two > thoughts", it is the "light of Sun". > > based on this understanding, try to understand that Even "Narayana > Dasa" shows "perceptions" only!!!, Vimshottari Dasa shows it at a > mental level, Narayana dasa shows it at a "Sahasrara" level. > > But If we cannot understand Narayana dasa, then let us leave it for > the experts for experimentations. > But it is the best tool, the best of best, no doubt about it. > > You might say, unless i "seeresults" how can i "believe" in things. > > This seeing is of the "mind", it is not of "intellect", THe mind can > only percieve, it cannot know the "actual cause". > > Many a times we have coincidences, miracles in life. Can you find out > through "astrology" the reasons for the same. The available > literature is not "sufficient" to know the cause. > > The causes have been "tried" through "Narayana dasa", but people have > misunderstood the "Great tool". > > I feel, this tool is much ahead of "its time". Vimshottari > is "excellent" for people, because 99% people in this world can see > only what is "visible to naked eye", what is heard through "physical > ear" and what is sensed through "physical senses". > > We think thus we are. > One man's poison is another man's nectar. The reason is we are trying > to find "posions" and nectars, in this mrityloka. The loka of no > return, the loka of Torture. The loka where happiness is for short > durations. > > Try to realise the truth.Try to realise the Narayana. > regards > partha > > > > > vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" > <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > > Dear and respected members > > > > I have seen references about Vimsottari Dasha being related to the > > mental perception of an individual,by Narasimha Rao ji.My knowledge > > is limited.But i have some doubts and i would be really happy and > > grateful if my doubts are cleared as this could help me in > builiding > > my fundamentals. > > > > For eg eventhough Aiswarya Rai was the Miss world,this doesn't mean > > that she enjoyed total mental happiness during that period.This may > > be true as the person might have had personal difficulties or > > worries.But in current world one can never assume that she was > > unhappy just because of her material success.May be the side > effects > > of material success could have caused problems.The very feeling of > > material success will never make her unhappy.Only in the case of > > saints there can be an effect.Even with them material success wont > > bring unhappiness - they won't feel any difference. > > > > Material success for common souls (to be honest, majority in the > > current world are only common souls) is not a perception.It is a > > reality.If one has money or power or luxury or fame he will > percieve > > it as success.There is no other perception.Only relative > perceptions > > can vary(What i see as more satisfactory can be less satisfactory > for > > another,this is purely subjectivity due to diminishing marginal > > utility).But it is definitely a reality and not perception alone, > > only the degree varies.Of course in addition to this the individual > > might have mental tensions due to other reasons as well. > > > > Let us assume that Vimsottari dasha reveals mental perceptions (may > be > > as moon is related to mind?).Thus if an individual has material > > success in todays material world he should be happy about that > > success.In that case Vimsottari Dasha should be able to reveal this > > success,which is real material success as well as percieved > material > > success.If the dasha period is supposed to give mixed perception > > (good + bad feeling) then Vimsottari should reveal that. > > > > Thus, as Vimsottari Dasha is about analysing the minds perception, > > mind should be able to percieve success as well as unhappiness.Thus > > from my logic i cannot understand why Vimsottari Dasha should not > be > > in a position to reveal material success.The relevance of my > > undersatnding is supported by the mental nature of todays world - > > Purely Material(ofcourse an exception of 1% can be there) ! > > > > Also if Vimsottari is all about minds perception,why should we use > > other nakshathras like - Lagna, Utpanna and all.Minds main > connection > > is with Moon - whether moon is strong or weak perception is felt > > through mind. > > > > The learned members are scholars with lots of experience and hence > a > > question from a beginner may not have much significance.But this > has > > been puzlling me since, my observation of various Dasha systems. (I > > cannot comment on other dashas as i have little knowledge). Kindly > > throw light. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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