Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 OM NAMO SHIVAY Dear Hari, RamaRao Ji and members Looks like its Ok to discuss Punya Chakra: I compiled all the rules last night(that I had) and here they are: (I) Initial Refuge of the departed soul *** 6th HouseDrekkana(16th Drekkana): Sadripu(punishment due to weaknesses) *** 7th house(rebirth occurs soon) *** 8th house drekkana(khara or 22nd drekkana-punishment due to sins) *** Jupiter's power to veto the negative indications and bless (II) (please note that its Immediate and not Intermediate. I had a typo yesterday) Immediate movement of the atma after death *** Planets in Lagna *** Three fold division-Bhu, Bhuva and Swarga Loka (III)Final Abode ***Twelevth house and Importance of Jupiter ***Sastamsa: Dharma and moksha ***Brahma Loka and moksha ***Param padam of Visnu The Sequence of Soul's Journey after death: Time period on earth (ghost), followed by punishments(if any), followed by Journey to higher lokas/planets(if any) , followed by Rebirth(if no Moksha). (I)PLANETS IN LAGNA: Time period when the soul is still on this earth after death: See the Navamsha occupied by the planets in Lagna and multiply by the time period indicated by the planet. The resulting time period is the time, when the soul moves on the earth (or around its relatives or friends after death). The default is Moon (12days), when no planets are in Lagna and in the minimum case its 12 days Saturn: 1 year Sun: 6 months Mercury:2 months Venus: 15days Mars : 1-7 days Moon: 12 days Jupiter: 1 month So if Jupiter is in Lagna at 15 Sagittarius 04, then it's the 5th Navamsha and mutiply with 1 month for Jupiter: So the soul is still on the earth for another 5 months after death. Always take the highest time period given by the planets in the Lagna. If no planets its 12 days. In the maximum case of Saturn in the 9th Navamsha in Lagna, it can be 9 years. (this can also be called the time period that the ghost is present on earth and trying to communicate with its loved/close ones. Also the mind is not yet separated from the soul and the soul can still be entangled in all types of materialistic thoughts and desires connected to his/her life on this earth ) (Presence of Planets in various houses: Analyse like rashi charka, but keep in mind the rules for punya charka related to 6th/7th/8th and 12th houses. Also there are no mahadasas etc involved here since life is pretty much over and ignore those calculations. Also ignore the karakas etc., Just focus on Various planets in varius houses in various Rashis and see where they lead you(Punishments, pardons by jupiter, hell or heavens on rebirth)) (II) Next comes the punishments(if any) which happen when there are planets in 6th/7th/8th houses(definitelyif there are planets in the above mentioned drekkanas of 6th/7th/8th houses): 1. Mars: Krodha(anger) 2. Mercury: Envy/Jealousy 3. Moon: Moha/Attachments to loved ones 4. Saturn: Lobha: Greed linked to materialism 5. Sun: Pride/Intoxication with Power 6. Venus: Involvement (mentally/physically) with other women/men (other than spouse) during life or rather say Venus related sins committed during the lifetime. 7. Jupiter: No sins and Jupiter's graha dristi or of Jupiter is dispositor of above planets will mean pardoned by Jupiter in that area. 8. Rahu: Should be treated like Saturn, I suppose. (III) After this time period the soul goes to different lokas(hell, heavenetc., )CHeck the Hora at the time of death(if I am correct) Please see SaptaLOka article by The Guru here. 1. BHULOKA(remains on EARTH due to MARS's Hora), 2. ANTARIKSHA (FREE SPACE; due to SUN's Hora), 3. SWARGALOKA (Abode of Heavens; due to VENUS's Hora), 4. MAHARLOKA (ABODE OF; due to MERCURY's Hora) 5. JANA LOKA (COMPASSION; due to MOON's Hora), 6. TAPALOKA (ABODE OF PENANCE due to SATURN's Hora) and 7. SATYALOKA (ABODE OF TRUTH DUE TO JUPITER's Hora and this is the highest abode) etc) (IV)FINAL ABODE(12th house and Jupiter): Some rules for interpretations(based on certain charts): 1.No Planets in 12th means that the soul goes to higher lokas after birth and then comes down for rebirth. 2.Jupiter's Graha Aspect on 12th house means heavens and moksha in subsequent birth. 3.10th Lord in 12th and Jupiter's graham aspect on 12th means moksha , but f Jupiter is in 2nd house, then the soul comes back for rebirth 4.Number of planets in 7th house shows how many births will happen: One planet in 7th shows multiple births and if there are three planets in 7th house, then at least 3 births will happen. 5. 7th Lord in 12th means goes to higher planets/lokas. I will come up with my grandfather's punya chart soon in few days. i have yet to analyse it. Regards RMK vedic astrology, "Rajesh Mohan Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > OM NAMO SHIVAY > Dear Hari, RamaRao Ji and members > Well thanks for sharing your thoughts. Now here is the list of topics > on punya chakra(which was partially covered at west coast conference > and I am not even sure whether I am authorized to give this on the > lists, since west coast CDs are already there for detailed > explanations. Pardon me if I am overstepping my limits here. I am > just giving the topic list and detailed lectures are in those CDs > only. ALso its such a big and complex topic, so it was hard to note > down everything at the conference and all I have is this list and > some general interpretations by JYOTISH GURU Shri Sanjay Rath and > even those interpretations are further limited by my own > understanding. I think that those Cds are the best source for Punya > Chakra )..anyway I think he/no will mind giving this topic list away > and then you can make your own interpretations. > > Just compute the punya chakra(rashi chakra at the time and place of > death) and look for the following/planets in following positions: > > (I) Initial Refuge of the departed soul > *** 6th HouseDrekkana(16th Drekkana): Sadripu(punishment due to > weaknesses) > *** 7th house(rebirth occurs soon) > *** 8th house drekkana(khara or 22nd drekkana-punishment due to sins) > *** Jupiter's power to veto the negative indications and bless > > (II) Intermediate movement of the atma after death > *** Planets in Lagna > *** Three fold division-Bhu, Bhuva and Swarga Loka > > (III)Final Abode > ***Twelevth house and Importance of Jupiter > ***Sastamsa: Dharma and moksha > ***Brahma Loka and moksha > ***Param padam of Visnu > > That's all I have and that's all I know. ALso I think he gave that > SaptaLoka articles before the conference to understand it better > (still trying to understand them)...I will try to locate by > grandfather's punya chakra later on and then make my own > interpretations. > Regards > RMK > > > > vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari> > wrote: > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > > > Dear Rajesh, > > > > Good of you to share your thoughts. About a day or two after my > > father died, I awoke from deep dreamless sleep in the middle of the > > night to find a bright, luminous band of light hovering above me > > which faded away in 2~3 seconds. Even granting that I was sleeping > > or my brain may not have been working properly, I got the feeling > > that my father's soul had come to take one last look at me and that > > event started me seriously on the road to learning more about > life's > > mysteries. > > > > I have a request for you: could you please share your learning of > > the punya chakra, taking your grandfather as an example? I would > > love to extend the same principles to my fathers case just to > > understand more. > > > > regards > > Hari > > > > vedic astrology, "Rajesh Mohan Kumaria" > > <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote: > > > OM NAMO SHIVAY > > > Dear Members and Shri RamaRao ji > > > > > > Just read few emails (after 10 days) on this topic. While I agree > > > with Shree RamaRao ji that BK/3rd Lord in Rashi Sandhi and 3rd > > > house/3rdLord/BK being afflicted by malefics caused the death of > > his > > > younger brother(Rama Rao ji,Please accept my deep sympathies and > > good > > > wishes for the soul), yet I think that the charts(rashi and > > > divisional) of any person (under consideration) are the final > > > controller's of one's life. Our charts can influence our > relatives > > > only to some extent and we are not the controllers of their > > > destinies. Just four days ago one of my very good Uncles passed > > away. > > > He was so enthusiastic and strong throughout his life, yet fell > to > > > Cancer(which was also controlled temporarily to large extent). In > > the > > > end he did not wish to live hooked to Glucose and life saving > > > medications (for almost two months) and wished to leave > > peacefully. > > > He told my cousin brother(his son) that he is being held up > > > unnecessarily for so long as four men in white clothes have > > already > > > come to his house to take him away and he could see them clearly. > > His > > > son told him that they are doctors but he corrected him several > > > times by saying that these four are separate from them and > waiting > > in > > > another room but held up due to all the medications etc., to save > > > him. Similarly my mother's mother(maternal grandmother) passed > > away > > > few months ago and prayed to Lord Vishnu to relieve her of all > > pains > > > (she was in hospital due to a broken hip bone at 84) and in the > > end > > > they both left peacefully. > > > > > > So while we all are in MRITYU_LOKA and fear death, yet when the > > final > > > moment comes , most people(if not all) come to terms with reality > > and > > > desire to leave away peacefully. From a living man's perspective, > > its > > > hard to give away all your materialism, loved ones, relatives and > > > this earth so easily, yet from a dying person's perspective, its > > time > > > to leave the world and start another journey (while the living > > > persons who are trying to save the patient are puzzled and try > > > desperately to save him/her, yet the soul desires to continue on > > its > > > journey and gives some final thoughts in mysterious surprise > > manner; > > > Similarly my own paternal grandfather died on Deepawali night in > > > Nov2001 very peacefully at 91; he did not even want to go to any > > > hospital and knew that he will pass away in the night and told > his > > son > > > (my father) to sleep peacefully and that he will be gone during > > the > > > night. He said so and went away few hours later in the sleep; > From > > > the Punya chakra(learnt at west coast conference) drawn, I learnt > > he > > > has left for the heavens. ) > > > > > > (humorously speaking in the end we all are tired of materialism > > > related problems, unemployment/employment related problems, > > diseases, > > > terrorism, wars, children's tensions, spouse's problems etc., etc > > and > > > wish to leave peacefully on our own mysterious journeys and leave > > > this world's woes to those we leave behind, in the same chaotic > > state > > > in which we came to this world ourselves. We came with empty > hands > > > and leave with empty hands, but get involved in never-ending deep > > > materialism throughout our lives due to the tremendous influence > > of > > > KAAL DEVATA, who is supposed to be the real father of Lord SHIVA > > and > > > whom even Lord Shiva is searching continuously.) > > > > > > > > > I thought to share all this , just to provide some comfort and > > > confidence to all, who are still living. Sorry for the long > email, > > > which is not astrologically relevant. > > > Thanks and Regards. > > > RMK. > > > vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao > > <ramadasrao> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ` nmae naray[ay, > > > > om namo näräyaëäya| > > > > Dear Ramesh Ji, > > > > You are corectly said. You can go through my previous mails > > which I > > > sent an hour back. > > > > With Sri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, > > > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > Ramesh Gangaramani <ramesh.gangaramani@a...> wrote: > > > > Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Ramdasji, > > > > > > > > With due respect I wish to share a point that I read in COVA > > about > > > impact of dictum 'Karka Bhava Nasa' on Naisargika karkas and > Chara > > > Karkas. I am sharing this only because of discussion regarding > the > > > applicability of dictum w.r.t various types of karkas. The point > > in > > > no way contradicts effects of planets in Rasi Sandhi explained by > > you. > > > > > > > > Page 376 point 12.11 says that "dictum.......does not always > > apply > > > to natural significators in the houses signified by them. For Sun > > is > > > not bad in the ninth house nor is Jupiter bad in the second or > > ninth > > > nor is Saturn bad in eight house." The chapter gives more > examples > > > like Venus in 7th etc. Further down it goes on to show that in > > cases > > > of Chara Karkas however, the dictum works. > > > > > > > > Though planet being in Rasi Sandhi may have been an important > > > element in the sad incident of loss of your brother, I also feel > > that > > > dictum even if valid for chara karkas may not do so much harm as > > to > > > take the life of co-born. > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Ramesh > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramadas Rao [ramadasrao] > > > > Monday, November 03, 2003 10:59 AM > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Planets in Rasi Sandhi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ` nmae naray[ay, > > > > om namo näräyaëäya| > > > > Dear Jayashree, > > > > I agree with your explanation.But you see my explanation in my > > > previous mail.Budha is not natural BK and he is only Chara BK and > > I > > > dont think being Chara BK,he will not do such a big evil to lose > > my > > > younger brother.But he may do harm about the health of younger co- > > > born and that he did also.This sad incident happened in Guru Dasa > > and > > > Shukra's Antara.Shukra is Chara GK and according to me this is > the > > > reason for my brother's death.Also both are in 2-12 to each > > > other.Also in D-3 chart,3rd house is occupied by Mandi and 3rd > > house > > > is hemmed between Kuja and Ketu and aspected by Shani (V) from > his > > > own house.Also Budha and Kuja does a parivartana and so Kuja > comes > > to > > > Vrischika rasi and eventhough Guru is there aspecting my 3rd > > > house,Kuja, the Badhaka for my Rasi chart and 7th and 12th lord > > for > > > D-3 chart is with Guru and as a result of this Guru's aspect also > > did > > > not help my brother to survive. > > > > I hope this helps you. > > > > With Sri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, > > > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > Jayashree <jayashree_ravi@m...> wrote: > > > > Dear Guruji Shri Ramadas Rao, > > > > > > > > Please pardon my intrusion here, if u deem this question being > > > > inappropriate, but I have one thought that I would like to > > mention > > > > with regards to your loss of your younger brother... Also very > > > sorry > > > > to hear about your loss. > > > > > > > > In your chart, since Mercury happens to be the Bhrartu Karak BK > > > being > > > > placed in 3rd house, doesn't it cause Karako bhava nashya, > > > especially > > > > since the BK is conjoining functional malefic lord of 3 and 12 > > > > Jupiter and 8th lord Sun, also aspected by ® Saturn (though > > > > lagnesh). Since he (Jupiter) is vargottama and as 3rd lord in > 3, > > he > > > > should give good results with respect to all other > signification > > of > > > > 3rd house such as efforts, communications, courage, especially > > > since > > > > he is conjoining Mercury the 9th lord? > > > > > > > > Since I was very interested, I took a look at Dwadasamsa and > saw > > > that > > > > there Mercury the BK is again the 3rd lord placed in Capricorn > 7 > > > from > > > > lagna, while Saturn ® who is lord of 7 and 8 placed in Aries > > and > > > > aspects Mercury with his 10th aspect... Doesn't this suggest > > that > > > > Mercury along with conjoining Sun and aspected by Saturn (in > > Rasi) > > > > gives this poor result with respect to younger sibling but for > > > other > > > > significations of the 3rd house, Jupiter indeed gives very good > > > > results? > > > > > > > > Also, since I'm learning Jyotish, I also try with different > > > > ayanamshas and according to Raman, Mercury also undergoes neech- > > > banga > > > > due Venus's placement in Kendra to Moon? (Moon in > > > Aquarius)...Doesn't > > > > this strengthen Mercury's ability to cause Karako bhava nashaya > > due > > > > to cancellation of debility? > > > > > > > > Kindly consider these as those being presented for your view as > > a > > > > learner. > > > > > > > > With best regards, > > > > > > > > Jayashree > > > > vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao > > > <ramadasrao> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ` nmae naray[ay, > > > > > om namo näräyaëäya| > > > > > Dear Vishwanadham Ji, > > > > > The planets which are in Rasi Sandhi eventhough they are > > > vargothama > > > > fail to protect the house characters owned by them.In my chart > > Guru > > > > is Vargothama in 3rd house in his own house of Meena Rasi but > in > > > Rasi > > > > Sandhi and he could not save my younger brother.I lost him when > > he > > > > was 21years old.Other than him,I dont have any brothers or > > sisters. > > > > > I hope this helps you. > > > > > With Sri Hari Vaayu Naama Smarana, > > > > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > > > > > H S Viswanadham <vishwanatham@r...> wrote: > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus & other learned members, > > > > > > > > > > Planets placed in Rasi Sandhis tend to destroy the houses > > owned > > > by > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > Are there any exceptions to this? Like, planets which are > > placed > > > in > > > > Vargottama amsa? > > > > > > > > > > Could any one please clarify. > > > > > > > > > > With much regards > > > > > viswanadham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Post your > > > profile. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > India Matrimony: Find your partner online. 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Guest guest Posted November 6, 2003 Report Share Posted November 6, 2003 HI Rajesh and others in this thread, That was a nice piece of Information and thanks for sharing with us. However you have not mentioned the time period for Rahu & Kethu if they are in Lagna. Plus if we have more than one planet I presume we need to add the time period of each of the planets, that are in Lagna. Do we take the period of Sa for Rahu & Mars for Ke? Another important question. Can we also associate the relatives signified by the planet will be (possibly)interacting with the soul, during the time period when the soul is hoavering around in earth. Thanks and with best regards L Brahma _______________ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Hi Lakshman Thanks for your appreciation, but actually I learnt it form Shri Sanjay Rath only during the west coast conference. SO he is the real person to be thanked for. I do not have answers to your questions..so may be rahu and ketu are to be treated like staurn and mars(not sure)..however the time period is for the planet with maximum length and time periods do not add up. You have a very good question: who are the relatives with whom the soul is trying to communicate after death?(this is my interpretation)Prehaps the learned members and Gurus can answer this one. Infact this is an interetsing topic(punya chakra) since the living people have a hard time to understand where the close relatives have gone after death(and often I have seen that the living people remain sad/depressed for months/years and develop an offensive attitude in life towards their friends and relatives, after they loose some one close especially those people, who are in 50-60 age group and who loose their husband/wife,...they release their anger on their children, freinds, relatives, neighbours etc for years and years and become so unpredictable and unstable in every thing...prehaps punya chakra interpretations can give them some comfort and make such people normal soon for the sake of those who are around them. ) Here's my grandfather's punya chakra(hope to get some comments and learn more here). M.C.Kumaria's departure Natal Chart November 15, 2001 Time: 4:35:00 am Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 77 E 12' 00", 28 N 36' 00" Altitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Vrisha - Nija Aswayuja Tithi: Amavasya (Ra) (34.23% left) Weekday: Wednesday (Me) Nakshatra: Visakha (Ju) (65.01% left) Yoga: Sobhana (Su) Karana: Naga (Ma) Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Pi) Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Cp) Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Moon) Sunrise: 6:45:39 am (November 14) Sunset: 5:25:02 pm (November 14) Janma Ghatis: 54.5563 Ayanamsa: 23-52-41.96 Sidereal Time: 7:50:14 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 0 Li 18' 16.62" Chit 3 Li Li Sun - AK 28 Li 46' 22.42" Visa 3 Li Ge Moon - BK 24 Li 39' 54.65" Visa 2 Li Ta Mars - PK 18 Cp 51' 35.57" Srav 3 Cp Ge Mercury - GK 17 Li 20' 14.73" Swat 4 Li Pi Jupiter ® - MK 21 Ge 33' 31.86" Puna 1 Ge Ar Venus - DK 14 Li 09' 11.68" Swat 3 Li Aq Saturn ® - PiK 19 Ta 04' 39.99" Rohi 3 Ta Ge Rahu - AmK 4 Ge 58' 08.76" Mrig 4 Ge Sc Ketu 4 Sg 58' 08.76" Mool 2 Sg Ta Maandi 26 Vi 11' 30.40" Chit 1 Vi Le Gulika 15 Vi 10' 52.19" Hast 2 Vi Ta Bhava Lagna 25 Vi 11' 41.93" Chit 1 Vi Le Hora Lagna 22 Le 31' 58.92" PPha 3 Le Li Ghati Lagna 14 Ta 32' 49.87" Rohi 2 Ta Ta Vighati Lagna 4 Cp 37' 04.64" USha 3 Cp Aq Varnada Lagna 22 Aq 50' 15.53" PBha 1 Aq Ar Sree Lagna 6 Aq 15' 52.26" Dhan 4 Aq Sc Dhooma 12 Pi 06' 22.42" UBha 3 Pi Li Vyatipata 17 Ar 53' 37.58" Bhar 2 Ar Vi Parivesha 17 Li 53' 37.58" Swat 4 Li Pi Indra Chapa 12 Vi 06' 22.42" Hast 1 Vi Ar Upaketu 28 Vi 46' 22.42" Chit 2 Vi Vi Kaala 12 Ta 28' 01.43" Rohi 1 Ta Ar Mrityu 29 Ge 04' 40.05" Puna 3 Ge Ge Artha Prahara 20 Cn 28' 02.00" Asre 2 Cn Cp Yama Ghantaka 12 Le 05' 19.65" Makh 4 Le Cn Rasi +--------------+ | \ / \ Gk / | | \ / \ Md / | | \ / \ / | | \ / Su \ / | | \ / \ / | |Ke x Me As Ve x HL | | / \ / \ | | / \ Mo / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ 7 / \ | | / \ / \ | | Ma x AL | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | \ / \ / | | x x Ra JuR | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / \ | | / \ / SaR \ | | / \ / GL \ | +--------------+ Sun is at 28Libra46 in the 9th Navamsa. So it has gained 8 navamsas and hence the soul is aorind the earth for 8 X 6 = 48 months. So he is still around us until Nov 2005. Grandfather/Dada ji spent 55 years of life alone rasing his children and grandchildren, since his wife passed away when he was just 34 only(he had two sons and 4 daughters).So he was a Brahmachari during those 55 years and has practially no personal materialistic desires(having lost all his property etc in Pakistan and having reached India on one of those last trains from Pakistan to India in 1947).. ….however he wanted all his children to work hard and become something in independent India. He was an Electrical Engg. Lab Instructor and worked for Engg. Colleges at Roorkee and then for 20 years at Punjab Engg. College Chandigarh for Govt. of India.He worked on same position in Punjab Engg College Lahore(before 1947)..a life dedicated to his children and also dedicated to building and maintaining electrical engg.labs (big motors, electrical meters, appliances, tools etc). So no wonder he had no personal desires as there are no planets in 7th house and also no enemies in 6h house(no jealousy etc., he prayed to Gods whenever he was not working) Saturn in 8th house indicates Lobha/greed ..well he had to earn money and to arrange education and marriages of all his children and so he had to involve himself in materialism from (born in 1910) 1934 to 1971, until he retired. Since saturn is not in 22nd Drekkanna, so he probably will not suffer much punishments in the 8th house(as per rules given). Saturn is in 23rd Drekkanna. No planets in 12th indicates that he ill go to higher lokas and will then be born again. So at least he will see the swargaloka for sometime and that gives me some satisfaction and comfort. Jupiter is also 6th Lord, so most probably he has been pardoned for his sins, if any. He never said a single word against his wife (or any woman) for those 55 years. Practically speaking he lived like a working sadhu (simple man) involved in repairing and rebuilding those electrical meters(tons of them, which my uncle(younger son) messed up all the time and which I never understood in life(how they worked even though he taught me so many times). Surprizingly he went to Haridwar only one time in life after retirement and used to say often that its not good to visit holy places often otherwise God calls you back to his abodes much sooner! That's what we learnt amazingly from his long life…to live strongly and bravely and make less trips to holy places (if you simply want to keep on living until 91,,. no wonder his elder brother had similar views and lived until 100 at least..(the two of them out-lived several of their younger brothers and sisters by decades, even out-lived their own son-in-laws and other relatives)… they kept on walking hilariously… on and on …and living strongly for30/40 years after retirement, while the young generation went to Doctors , hospitals etc and what not! …they both stayed away from hospitals and big holy places!...may be their style/secret of living can help those who are demoralized these days due to this recession etc., ) Thanks and Regards. RMK vedic astrology, "Lakshman Brahma" <lbrahma@h...> wrote: > HI Rajesh and others in this thread, > That was a nice piece of Information and thanks for sharing with us. However > you have not mentioned the time period for Rahu & Kethu if they are in > Lagna. Plus if we have more than one planet I presume we need to add the > time period of each of the planets, that are in Lagna. Do we take the period > of Sa for Rahu & Mars for Ke? > Another important question. Can we also associate the relatives signified by > the planet will be (possibly)interacting with the soul, during the time > period when the soul is hoavering around in earth. > > > Thanks and with best regards > > L Brahma > > _______________ > Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. > https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Rajesh, Thanks for sharing your interpretation of your grandfathers punya chakra. Just a quick question: > Saturn in 8th house indicates Lobha/greed ..well he had to earn > money and to arrange education and marriages of all his children > and so he had to involve himself in materialism from (born in > 1910) 1934 to 1971, until he retired. Since saturn is not in 22nd > Drekkanna, so he probably will not suffer much punishments in the > 8th house(as per rules given). Saturn is in 23rd Drekkanna. Both Sa and Ju are retrograde; so the interpretation may not be always straightforward. We cannot try to justify the placement by reconciling with his present life or what we know of his life. There are many rebirths and Sa may not always indicate for this birth alone. Astrology teaches us to be dispassionate and merge with the universal identity. Secondly, from your description, it appears that your grandfather did his duty (dharma), thats all. how is it to be construed as greed? Dont forget that Sa is the dharma karaka as well. regards Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 OM NAMO SHIVAY Dear Hari Thanks for your comments. Yes you may be right here: My attempts to justify planetary positions by reconciling with his known life, are actually my personal astrological limitations. Retrograde Saturn and Jupiter could indicate some higher expecations/ambitions which could not be fulfiled in this life. Hope other members can throw some light on this thing: What does retrograde planets indicate in punya chakra? Yes everyone (in my family) said that he was not at all greedy. He always lived conservatively within his limited/fixed income and slowly gathered the resources(in independent India) to educate and marry his children, especially his four daughters. By the time he retired he was left with no personal accomodations or land or house (having lived in Govt. house all his life) and eventually he lived in the house constructed by my father. However he was a very proud man with a strong character and always loved India till the end. He had no bitterness in his heart that he was left with just a pension and very little money after working 40 years for the Govt. of India. Also he never regretted loosing all his ancestral properties in Pakistan (while his other relatives cried throughout their lives about those properties and lands etc)and infact he was very happy to be a proud citizen of independent India. So in a certain sense, he lived his life very optimistically(within his resources and income earned by his own efforts) and everyone known to him, said(when he passed away) that he did his duty perfectly(dharma). Thanks for pointing this out..i almost missed this most crucial aspect of his life. His sense of duty towards his family and love for his nation was very strong till his end. (As I have said earlier, punya chakra can give lot of satisfaction to those who loose their life partners in the middle of their lives and then get very angry on their children and friends for years and years. They become completely different angry personalities.) Hope to see some more charts with punya chakra discussions..i know everyone may not feel comfortable on such a personal topic and everyone may not appear to be so perfect if compared to my grandfather (in my own family, none can reach his simplicity and high standards. We are all human and subject to a hundred failures everyday.) But we are not here(on this list) for any type of horoscope comparisions or to become judgemental on the lives of others(after they have gone away). This topic is just for our own satisfaction and learning only. This topic is more like: where did they go next? Its like that the last flight took off but no one saw where it landed next! Thanks and Regards RMK vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote: > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Rajesh, > > Thanks for sharing your interpretation of your grandfathers punya > chakra. Just a quick question: > > > Saturn in 8th house indicates Lobha/greed ..well he had to earn > > money and to arrange education and marriages of all his children > > and so he had to involve himself in materialism from (born in > > 1910) 1934 to 1971, until he retired. Since saturn is not in 22nd > > Drekkanna, so he probably will not suffer much punishments in the > > 8th house(as per rules given). Saturn is in 23rd Drekkanna. > > Both Sa and Ju are retrograde; so the interpretation may not be > always straightforward. We cannot try to justify the placement by > reconciling with his present life or what we know of his life. There > are many rebirths and Sa may not always indicate for this birth > alone. Astrology teaches us to be dispassionate and merge with the > universal identity. > > Secondly, from your description, it appears that your grandfather > did his duty (dharma), thats all. how is it to be construed as > greed? Dont forget that Sa is the dharma karaka as well. > > regards > Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 Dear friends, Birth and Punya Charts of my younger brother are attached who died short of his 40th birthday. He was an emergency doctor by profession,waiting for metro train when he likely had a heart attack/cerebral hammerage(No autopsy was done).He was taken to the same emergency hospital by the paramedics. We feel he was already dead by the time he was taken to the hospital. The paramedics reached the metro station 15 minutes after other passengers called 911. Most surprising is the dasa of his AK and yogakarka Venus and Antara of his lagna lord Saturn ,two planets which should have been protecting him.(360 degree solar years) I will be thankful if some learned members could try reconcile the above and also comment on the Punya chart. With regards and thanks, Jagmeet Attachment: (application/octet-stream) AnD.jhd [not stored] Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Punya chart.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 Dear Jagmeet Please type/copy-paste the birth and punya chakra data, since attachments are no longer stored on and this data is needed Thanks RMK vedic astrology, jagmeet s dheendsa <jsdheendsa@j...> wrote: > Dear friends, > Birth and Punya Charts of my younger brother are attached who died short > of his 40th birthday. He was an emergency doctor by profession,waiting > for metro train when he likely had a heart attack/cerebral hammerage (No > autopsy was done).He was taken to the same emergency hospital by the > paramedics. We feel he was already dead by the time he was taken to the > hospital. The paramedics reached the metro station 15 minutes after other > passengers called 911. > Most surprising is the dasa of his AK and yogakarka Venus and Antara of > his lagna lord Saturn ,two planets which should have been protecting > him.(360 degree solar years) > I will be thankful if some learned members could try reconcile the above > and also comment on the Punya chart. > With regards and thanks, > Jagmeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 Dear Rajesh Ji, The two charts are given below. Dear Chandershekhar Ji, Thanks for answering my query.But I still have doubts No doubt Sat is 2nd lord,a maraka house but it is still the Lagna lord.At a glance from a chart, I would have found it difficult to infer that AK and Lagna lord dasa/antardasa will kill a native specially when they have high ista phal. with regards, Jagmeet AD Natal Chart June 26, 1961Time: 21:06:28Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 75 E 35' 00", 30 N 17' 00" Dhanaula, IndiaAltitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Nija JyeshthaTithi: Sukla Trayodasi (Ju) (13.50% left)Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo)Nakshatra: Anuraadha (Sa) (5.43% left)Yoga: Subha (Su)Karana: Taitula (Me)Hora Lord: Saturn (5 min sign: Le)Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Aq)Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus) Sunrise: 5:30:37Sunset: 19:29:57Janma Ghatis: 38.9935 Ayanamsa: 23-12-54.78Sidereal Time: 14:56:53 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 6 Cp 24' 34.13" USha 3 Cp AqSun - PK 11 Ge 33' 46.03" Ardr 2 Ge CpMoon - BK 15 Sc 56' 32.14" Anu 4 Sc ScMars - GK 5 Le 25' 00.42" Makh 2 Le TaMercury ® - MK 12 Ge 50' 58.04" Ardr 2 Ge CpJupiter ® - PiK 12 Cp 23' 08.09" Srav 1 Cp ArVenus - AK 26 Ar 00' 26.95" Bhar 4 Ar ScSaturn ® - DK 4 Cp 56' 07.06" USha 3 Cp AqRahu - AmK 6 Le 46' 22.16" Makh 3 Le GeKetu 6 Aq 46' 22.16" Sata 1 Aq SgMaandi 10 Cp 59' 16.36" Srav 1 Cp ArGulika 0 Cp 34' 21.83" USha 2 Cp CpUranus 29 Cn 52' 53.98" Asre 4 Cn PiNeptune ® 15 Li 28' 33.29" Swat 3 Li AqPluto 12 Le 43' 41.92" Makh 4 Le CnBhava Lagna 4 Aq 54' 16.20" Dhan 4 Aq ScHora Lagna 28 Vi 51' 56.83" Chit 2 Vi ViGhati Lagna 10 Vi 44' 58.72" Hast 1 Vi ArVighati Lagna 10 Ge 10' 08.17" Ardr 2 Ge CpVarnada Lagna 5 Cn 16' 30.97" Push 1 Cn LeSree Lagna 16 Sg 51' 01.84" PSha 2 Sg ViPranapada Lagna 10 Li 47' 18.63" Swat 2 Li CpIndu Lagna 15 Li 56' 32.14" Swat 3 Li AqDhooma 24 Li 53' 46.03" Visa 2 Li TaVyatipata 5 Vi 06' 13.97" UPha 3 Vi AqParivesha 5 Pi 06' 13.97" UBha 1 Pi LeIndra Chapa 24 Ar 53' 46.03" Bhar 4 Ar ScUpaketu 11 Ta 33' 46.03" Rohi 1 Ta ArKaala 0 Pi 51' 28.75" PBha 4 Pi CnMrityu 22 Ar 55' 10.57" Bhar 3 Ar LiArtha Prahara 14 Ta 21' 37.44" Rohi 2 Ta TaYama Ghantaka 3 Ge 00' 51.50" Mrig 3 Ge LiPrana Sphuta 2 Sc 37' 12.49" Visa 4 Sc CnDeha Sphuta 8 Cp 06' 38.93" USha 4 Cp PiMrityu Sphuta 15 Vi 34' 18.83" Hast 2 Vi TaTrisphuta 26 Cp 18' 10.26" Dhan 1 Cp LeV2 5 Vi 16' 30.97" UPha 3 Vi AqV3 5 Sc 16' 30.97" Anu 1 Sc LeV4 5 Cp 16' 30.97" USha 3 Cp AqV5 5 Pi 16' 30.97" UBha 1 Pi LeV6 5 Ta 16' 30.97" Krit 3 Ta AqV7 5 Cn 16' 30.97" Push 1 Cn LeV8 5 Vi 16' 30.97" UPha 3 Vi AqV9 5 Sc 16' 30.97" Anu 1 Sc LeV10 5 Cp 16' 30.97" USha 3 Cp AqV11 5 Pi 16' 30.97" UBha 1 Pi LeV12 5 Ta 16' 30.97" Krit 3 Ta AqKunda 9 Ge 10' 04.74" Ardr 1 Ge Sg Rasi +--------------+| \ / \ / || \ Ke / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / JuR \ / || \ / \ / || x Md As Gk x Mo || / \ / \ || / \ SaR / \ || / \ / \ || / \ 10 / \ || / \ / \ || Ve x AL || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || x x GL HL || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / Su \ / Ma \ || / MeR \ / Ra \ |+--------------+ Navamsa +--------------+| \ / \ MeR Gk / || \ / \ Su / || \ / \ / || \ / SaR \ / ||Md \ / \ / ||JuR GL x As x Ke || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ 11 / Ve \ || / \ / \ || Ma x Mo || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / ||Ra x x AL || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / HL \ || / \ / \ |+--------------+ Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Sat Sat 1943-07-09 Merc 1946-07-12 Ket 1949-03-19 Ven 1950-04-28 Sun 1953-06-29 Moon 1954-06-10 Mars 1956-01-10 Rah 1957-02-17 Jup 1959-12-27 Merc Merc 1962-07-09 Ket 1964-12-05 Ven 1965-12-03 Sun 1968-10-03 Moon 1969-08-09 Mars 1971-01-07 Rah 1972-01-05 Jup 1974-07-25 Sat 1976-10-31 Ket Ket 1979-07-09 Ven 1979-12-06 Sun 1981-02-02 Moon 1981-06-10 Mars 1982-01-10 Rah 1982-06-08 Jup 1983-06-27 Sat 1984-06-01 Merc 1985-07-12 Ven Ven 1986-07-09 Sun 1989-11-09 Moon 1990-11-09 Mars 1992-07-09 Rah 1993-09-09 Jup 1996-09-09 Sat 1999-05-08 Merc 2002-07-09 Ket 2005-05-07 Sun Sun 2006-07-09 Moon 2006-10-28 Mars 2007-04-25 Rah 2007-09-04 Jup 2008-07-27 Sat 2009-05-13 Merc 2010-04-25 Ket 2011-03-02 Ven 2011-07-09 Moon Moon 2012-07-09 Mars 2013-05-07 Rah 2013-12-09 Jup 2015-06-08 Sat 2016-10-10 Merc 2018-05-08 Ket 2019-10-11 Ven 2020-05-07 Sun 2022-01-07 Mars Mars 2022-07-09 Rah 2022-12-06 Jup 2023-12-24 Sat 2024-11-30 Merc 2026-01-07 Ket 2027-01-05 Ven 2027-06-02 Sun 2028-08-03 Moon 2028-12-09 Rah Rah 2029-07-09 Jup 2032-03-19 Sat 2034-08-16 Merc 2037-06-20 Ket 2040-01-08 Ven 2041-01-25 Sun 2044-01-26 Moon 2044-12-21 Mars 2046-06-20 Jup Jup 2047-07-10 Sat 2049-08-28 Merc 2052-03-07 Ket 2054-06-14 Ven 2055-05-20 Sun 2058-01-19 Moon 2058-11-10 Mars 2060-03-07 Rah 2061-02-12 Punya chart Natal Chart May 3, 2001Time: 7:25:33Time Zone: 4:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 79 W 25' 00", 43 N 40' 00" Toronto, CanadaAltitude: 0.00 meters Lunar Yr-Mo: Vrisha - VaisakhaTithi: Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) (45.12% left)Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju)Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (5.66% left)Yoga: Vyaghata (Ve)Karana: Vishti (Sa)Hora Lord: Mars (5 min sign: Cp)Mahakala Hora: Jupiter (5 min sign: Ar)Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Jupiter) Sunrise: 6:11:20Sunset: 20:19:06Janma Ghatis: 3.0920 Ayanamsa: 23-46-09.93Sidereal Time: 20:53:36 Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa Lagna 13 Ta 33' 45.90" Rohi 2 Ta TaSun - BK 19 Ar 19' 33.58" Bhar 2 Ar ViMoon - AK 25 Le 54' 43.79" PPha 4 Le ScMars - GK 4 Sg 52' 45.74" Mool 2 Sg TaMercury - DK 0 Ta 51' 49.66" Krit 2 Ta CpJupiter - AmK 20 Ta 15' 30.87" Rohi 4 Ta CnVenus - PiK 10 Pi 49' 24.60" UBha 3 Pi LiSaturn - PK 7 Ta 46' 25.70" Krit 4 Ta PiRahu - MK 15 Ge 25' 47.63" Ardr 3 Ge AqKetu 15 Sg 25' 47.63" PSha 1 Sg LeMaandi 27 Ge 59' 16.88" Puna 3 Ge GeGulika 17 Ge 05' 57.70" Ardr 4 Ge PiUranus 0 Aq 47' 28.62" Dhan 3 Aq LiNeptune 14 Cp 59' 34.75" Srav 2 Cp TaPluto ® 20 Sc 57' 20.65" Jye 2 Sc CpBhava Lagna 7 Ta 49' 41.76" Krit 4 Ta PiHora Lagna 26 Ta 22' 49.78" Mrig 1 Ta LeGhati Lagna 22 Cn 02' 13.84" Asre 2 Cn CpVighati Lagna 0 Ta 19' 14.12" Krit 2 Ta CpVarnada Lagna 9 Cn 56' 35.68" Push 2 Cn ViSree Lagna 23 Ar 11' 28.19" Bhar 3 Ar LiPranapada Lagna 0 Ta 22' 13.96" Krit 2 Ta CpIndu Lagna 25 Aq 54' 43.79" PBha 2 Aq TaDhooma 2 Vi 39' 33.58" UPha 2 Vi CpVyatipata 27 Li 20' 26.42" Visa 3 Li GeParivesha 27 Ar 20' 26.42" Krit 1 Ar SgIndra Chapa 2 Pi 39' 33.58" PBha 4 Pi CnUpaketu 19 Pi 19' 33.58" Reva 1 Pi SgKaala 8 Le 50' 18.60" Makh 3 Le GeMrityu 19 Vi 41' 00.23" Hast 3 Vi GeArtha Prahara 10 Li 00' 17.17" Swat 2 Li CpYama Ghantaka 7 Ta 10' 57.74" Krit 4 Ta PiPrana Sphuta 24 Cp 54' 47.21" Dhan 1 Cp LeDeha Sphuta 14 Vi 23' 48.00" Hast 2 Vi TaMrityu Sphuta 19 Li 01' 17.45" Swat 4 Li PiTrisphuta 28 Cp 19' 52.66" Dhan 2 Cp ViV2 9 Vi 56' 35.68" UPha 4 Vi PiV3 9 Sc 56' 35.68" Anu 2 Sc ViV4 9 Cp 56' 35.68" USha 4 Cp PiV5 9 Pi 56' 35.68" UBha 2 Pi ViV6 9 Ta 56' 35.68" Krit 4 Ta PiV7 9 Cn 56' 35.68" Push 2 Cn ViV8 9 Vi 56' 35.68" UPha 4 Vi PiV9 9 Sc 56' 35.68" Anu 2 Sc ViV10 9 Cp 56' 35.68" USha 4 Cp PiV11 9 Pi 56' 35.68" UBha 2 Pi ViV12 9 Ta 56' 35.68" Krit 4 Ta PiKunda 18 Cp 34' 58.06" Srav 3 Cp Ge Rasi +--------------+| \ Md Gk / \ / || \ Ra / \ Su / || \ / \ / || \ / Me \ / || \ / \ / ||GL x Sa As HL x Ve || / \ / \ || / \ Ju / \ || / \ / \ || / \ 2 / \ || / \ / \ || Mo x || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || x x AL || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / Ma \ || / \ / Ke \ |+--------------+ Navamsa +--------------+| \ / \ / || \ Md / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / Ma \ / || \ / \ / AL ||Ju x As x Gk Sa || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / HL \ 2 / \ || / \ / \ || Ke x Ra || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / ||Su x Mo x GL Me || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / Ve \ / \ || / \ / \ |+--------------+ Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Ven Ven 1982-06-21 Sun 1985-10-23 Moon 1986-10-23 Mars 1988-06-21 Rah 1989-08-23 Jup 1992-08-23 Sat 1995-04-20 Merc 1998-06-21 Ket 2001-04-20 Sun Sun 2002-06-21 Moon 2002-10-11 Mars 2003-04-08 Rah 2003-08-17 Jup 2004-07-10 Sat 2005-04-26 Merc 2006-04-08 Ket 2007-02-13 Ven 2007-06-22 Moon Moon 2008-06-21 Mars 2009-04-20 Rah 2009-11-22 Jup 2011-05-21 Sat 2012-09-23 Merc 2014-04-20 Ket 2015-09-23 Ven 2016-04-20 Sun 2017-12-22 Mars Mars 2018-06-22 Rah 2018-11-19 Jup 2019-12-08 Sat 2020-11-13 Merc 2021-12-22 Ket 2022-12-19 Ven 2023-05-15 Sun 2024-07-16 Moon 2024-11-22 Rah Rah 2025-06-21 Jup 2028-03-02 Sat 2030-07-29 Merc 2033-06-03 Ket 2035-12-22 Ven 2037-01-08 Sun 2040-01-09 Moon 2040-12-04 Mars 2042-06-03 Jup Jup 2043-06-22 Sat 2045-08-11 Merc 2048-02-19 Ket 2050-05-28 Ven 2051-05-03 Sun 2054-01-03 Moon 2054-10-24 Mars 2056-02-20 Rah 2057-01-26 Sat Sat 2059-06-22 Merc 2062-06-25 Ket 2065-03-03 Ven 2066-04-11 Sun 2069-06-12 Moon 2070-05-25 Mars 2071-12-26 Rah 2073-02-01 Jup 2075-12-11 Merc Merc 2078-06-22 Ket 2080-11-19 Ven 2081-11-17 Sun 2084-09-17 Moon 2085-07-23 Mars 2086-12-22 Rah 2087-12-20 Jup 2090-07-08 Sat 2092-10-14 Ket Ket 2095-06-22 Ven 2095-11-20 Sun 2097-01-18 Moon 2097-05-25 Mars 2097-12-25 Rah 2098-05-22 Jup 2099-06-10 Sat 2100-05-16 Merc 2101-06-26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 Dear Jagmeet ji, With all due regards, here are my humble thoughts. I just went to those things which strike me first and its not necessayr that I am right at all. Please accept my good wishes for the soul and hope this analysis gives you strength to continue and go deeper further in this analysis(i am also learning here) Ashtakavarga of Saturn 1. The 8th place from Saturn in a nativity is reckoned as Mrityu Sthana and the same also denotes the longevity. Total up the number from Rekhas from Ascendent to Saturn . The disease and enemity will come up in the year equal to total number of rekhas. Also total the Rekhas from Saturn to Ascendent in the Ashtakavarga of Saturn and the danger of the disease in the year equivalent to the total number of rekhas be predicted. The sum total of the two numbers of Rekhas will denote the year in which the native will faced death or death like stress. Saturn is in Capricorn , so the first diseases/attack happens in 5th year of life and then the sumtotal of rekhas from Saturn to Ascendent is 39. So second offense happens in 39th year and finally death type stress happens in 44th year of life Contemplation of death: 2. The number of Rekhas in 8th place from Saturn in the Ashtakavarga of Saturn be multiplied by total shodhya Pinda(Ashtakavarga of Saturn) and the product be divided by 27 and the Nakshatara equivalent to the remainder on counting from Aswini and its trinal(10th and 19th) Nakshataras , when transited by Saturn can indicate death of the native Here the shodya Pinda is 186 and the 8th place from saturn has no (zero) rekhas. So Saturn's transit over ashwini nakshatara itself and its trinal nakshataras(Makha and Moola) can cause death. 3. Also the product be divided by 12 and the sign denoted by the remainder and its trinal (10th and 19th) Nakshataras , when transited by Saturn can indicate death/death like stress of the native 186 * 0 /12 ..remainder is 12. So uttaraphalguni(26Leo40 to 10Vi00) and its trinal (Uttarashaada..26Sg40 to 10Cp00 and Krittika (26Ar40 to 10Ta00)) nakshataras when trasnitted by Saturn indicates death like stress. Unfortunately Saturn was in Krittika on that day and he was passing through 39th year of life, so it's a double attack by Saturn in transit and Saturn in the Rashi chart. Saturn is Lagna Lord as well as Markesha in the chart. Also saturn is in the nakshatra lorded byS un, who is the 8th Lord in the Rashi chart and placed badly in the 6th house of enemies and diseases. Now why did Saturn act as Markesha and not as Lagna Lord is the critical question? may be the answer can come from determination of life length using three pairs method? Or is the atamkaraka Venu rendered weak since its dispositor Mars is in the 8th house…now sometimes we see Rashi Lordship and sometimes Nakshatara Lordship t justify/reach the results..which Lord ship is more important and to be considered? There are so many schools of thoughts/methodologies in vedic astrology. Ofcourse above all is the never ending Bhavat Bhavam Analysis(I remember that Shri RamaRao ji had once (long time ago )done a long analysis of 4/5 pages just on 10th house only..still understanding it whenever I get time). So may be Bhavat Bhavam analysis of Lagna/8th Lord/Atamkaraka has to be done here.(never mind, who in his normal senses will do all types of death analysis when one is still living and moving around) First Lord and 8th Lord pair (Saturn in Capricorn and Sun in Gemini) Moveable sign + Dual Sign = Short Life span Lagna and Hora Lagna(Capricorn and Virgo) Moveable + Dual = Short Life Span Saturn and Moon(Capricorn and Scorpio) Moveable + Fixed = Middle Life Span. So did he have a short life of just 36 years? well he did reach 39plus. (Moveable+ Movebale= Long Life Dual+Fixed = long Life Dual+Dual = Middle Life Fixed + Moveable = Middle Life Span Moveable+ Dual = Short Life Span Fixed+Fixed = Short Life Span ) PUNYA CHAKRA Saturn is at 7Taurus46 and so it has gained 2 Navamshas indictaing that the soul is still around for 2 X 1 = 2 years on this earth after death.No planets in 6th indicates no enemies and no jealousy. Hence No punishments. 7th house shows no planets and hence no desires left at/after death. 8th house has Mars And Ketu. Ketu is in 23rd Drekkanna and hence no punishments. Dispositor Of Mars and Ketu is Jupiter so all his anger/krodha etc has been pardoned by jupiter(due to his good work and fulfillment of duties/dharma) Jupiter is also the dispositor of Venus and so all his relationships/dealings with women have also been pardoned by great Jupiter. He appears to be a very excellent man/noble soul with all these pardons form Jupiter. Sun in 12th house indicates some great pride/intoxication with power. I really do not know whether he is pardoned here since its dispositor is Mars whose dispositor is Jupiter or he simple got a big lecture to be humble after death(since all other things have already been pardoned by Jupiter)… Since he left in Mars's Hora, so he is still in Bhuloloka(earth) after death and Rahu in 2nd House(10th Lord in 2nd house) indicates that he has taken rebirth/will take rebirth soon. So he did have desires to be born again and that seems to have been granted. So please be rest assured that his soul is continuing on its own unique journey in its own relaxed manner. That's all I know sofar. With great regards and good wishes for the departed soul, Regards, RMK. vedic astrology, jagmeet s dheendsa <jsdheendsa@j...> wrote: > Dear Rajesh Ji, > The two charts are given below. > > Dear Chandershekhar Ji, > Thanks for answering my query.But I still have doubts > No doubt Sat is 2nd lord,a maraka house but it is still the Lagna lord.At > a glance from a chart, I would have found it difficult to infer that AK > and Lagna lord dasa/antardasa will kill a native specially when they have > high ista phal. > with regards, > Jagmeet > AD > > Natal Chart > > June 26, 1961 > Time: 21:06:28 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 75 E 35' 00", 30 N 17' 00" > Dhanaula, India > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Plava - Nija Jyeshtha > Tithi: Sukla Trayodasi (Ju) (13.50% left) > Vedic Weekday: Monday (Mo) > Nakshatra: Anuraadha (Sa) (5.43% left) > Yoga: Subha (Su) > Karana: Taitula (Me) > Hora Lord: Saturn (5 min sign: Le) > Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Aq) > Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus) > > Sunrise: 5:30:37 > Sunset: 19:29:57 > Janma Ghatis: 38.9935 > > Ayanamsa: 23-12-54.78 > Sidereal Time: 14:56:53 > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > > Lagna 6 Cp 24' 34.13" USha 3 Cp Aq > Sun - PK 11 Ge 33' 46.03" Ardr 2 Ge Cp > Moon - BK 15 Sc 56' 32.14" Anu 4 Sc Sc > Mars - GK 5 Le 25' 00.42" Makh 2 Le Ta > Mercury ® - MK 12 Ge 50' 58.04" Ardr 2 Ge Cp > Jupiter ® - PiK 12 Cp 23' 08.09" Srav 1 Cp Ar > Venus - AK 26 Ar 00' 26.95" Bhar 4 Ar Sc > Saturn ® - DK 4 Cp 56' 07.06" USha 3 Cp Aq > Rahu - AmK 6 Le 46' 22.16" Makh 3 Le Ge > Ketu 6 Aq 46' 22.16" Sata 1 Aq Sg > Maandi 10 Cp 59' 16.36" Srav 1 Cp Ar > Gulika 0 Cp 34' 21.83" USha 2 Cp Cp > Uranus 29 Cn 52' 53.98" Asre 4 Cn Pi > Neptune ® 15 Li 28' 33.29" Swat 3 Li Aq > Pluto 12 Le 43' 41.92" Makh 4 Le Cn > Bhava Lagna 4 Aq 54' 16.20" Dhan 4 Aq Sc > Hora Lagna 28 Vi 51' 56.83" Chit 2 Vi Vi > Ghati Lagna 10 Vi 44' 58.72" Hast 1 Vi Ar > Vighati Lagna 10 Ge 10' 08.17" Ardr 2 Ge Cp > Varnada Lagna 5 Cn 16' 30.97" Push 1 Cn Le > Sree Lagna 16 Sg 51' 01.84" PSha 2 Sg Vi > Pranapada Lagna 10 Li 47' 18.63" Swat 2 Li Cp > Indu Lagna 15 Li 56' 32.14" Swat 3 Li Aq > Dhooma 24 Li 53' 46.03" Visa 2 Li Ta > Vyatipata 5 Vi 06' 13.97" UPha 3 Vi Aq > Parivesha 5 Pi 06' 13.97" UBha 1 Pi Le > Indra Chapa 24 Ar 53' 46.03" Bhar 4 Ar Sc > Upaketu 11 Ta 33' 46.03" Rohi 1 Ta Ar > Kaala 0 Pi 51' 28.75" PBha 4 Pi Cn > Mrityu 22 Ar 55' 10.57" Bhar 3 Ar Li > Artha Prahara 14 Ta 21' 37.44" Rohi 2 Ta Ta > Yama Ghantaka 3 Ge 00' 51.50" Mrig 3 Ge Li > Prana Sphuta 2 Sc 37' 12.49" Visa 4 Sc Cn > Deha Sphuta 8 Cp 06' 38.93" USha 4 Cp Pi > Mrityu Sphuta 15 Vi 34' 18.83" Hast 2 Vi Ta > Trisphuta 26 Cp 18' 10.26" Dhan 1 Cp Le > V2 5 Vi 16' 30.97" UPha 3 Vi Aq > V3 5 Sc 16' 30.97" Anu 1 Sc Le > V4 5 Cp 16' 30.97" USha 3 Cp Aq > V5 5 Pi 16' 30.97" UBha 1 Pi Le > V6 5 Ta 16' 30.97" Krit 3 Ta Aq > V7 5 Cn 16' 30.97" Push 1 Cn Le > V8 5 Vi 16' 30.97" UPha 3 Vi Aq > V9 5 Sc 16' 30.97" Anu 1 Sc Le > V10 5 Cp 16' 30.97" USha 3 Cp Aq > V11 5 Pi 16' 30.97" UBha 1 Pi Le > V12 5 Ta 16' 30.97" Krit 3 Ta Aq > Kunda 9 Ge 10' 04.74" Ardr 1 Ge Sg > > Rasi > +--------------+ > | \ / \ / | > | \ Ke / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / JuR \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | x Md As Gk x Mo | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ SaR / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ 10 / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | Ve x AL | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | x x GL HL | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / Su \ / Ma \ | > | / MeR \ / Ra \ | > +--------------+ > > Navamsa > +--------------+ > | \ / \ MeR Gk / | > | \ / \ Su / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / SaR \ / | > |Md \ / \ / | > |JuR GL x As x Ke | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ 11 / Ve \ | > | / \ / \ | > | Ma x Mo | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > |Ra x x AL | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / HL \ | > | / \ / \ | > +--------------+ > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > > Sat Sat 1943-07-09 Merc 1946-07-12 Ket 1949-03-19 > Ven 1950-04-28 Sun 1953-06-29 Moon 1954-06-10 > Mars 1956-01-10 Rah 1957-02-17 Jup 1959-12-27 > Merc Merc 1962-07-09 Ket 1964-12-05 Ven 1965-12-03 > Sun 1968-10-03 Moon 1969-08-09 Mars 1971-01-07 > Rah 1972-01-05 Jup 1974-07-25 Sat 1976-10-31 > Ket Ket 1979-07-09 Ven 1979-12-06 Sun 1981-02-02 > Moon 1981-06-10 Mars 1982-01-10 Rah 1982-06-08 > Jup 1983-06-27 Sat 1984-06-01 Merc 1985-07-12 > Ven Ven 1986-07-09 Sun 1989-11-09 Moon 1990-11-09 > Mars 1992-07-09 Rah 1993-09-09 Jup 1996-09-09 > Sat 1999-05-08 Merc 2002-07-09 Ket 2005-05-07 > Sun Sun 2006-07-09 Moon 2006-10-28 Mars 2007-04-25 > Rah 2007-09-04 Jup 2008-07-27 Sat 2009-05-13 > Merc 2010-04-25 Ket 2011-03-02 Ven 2011-07-09 > Moon Moon 2012-07-09 Mars 2013-05-07 Rah 2013-12-09 > Jup 2015-06-08 Sat 2016-10-10 Merc 2018-05-08 > Ket 2019-10-11 Ven 2020-05-07 Sun 2022-01-07 > Mars Mars 2022-07-09 Rah 2022-12-06 Jup 2023-12-24 > Sat 2024-11-30 Merc 2026-01-07 Ket 2027-01-05 > Ven 2027-06-02 Sun 2028-08-03 Moon 2028-12-09 > Rah Rah 2029-07-09 Jup 2032-03-19 Sat 2034-08-16 > Merc 2037-06-20 Ket 2040-01-08 Ven 2041-01-25 > Sun 2044-01-26 Moon 2044-12-21 Mars 2046-06-20 > Jup Jup 2047-07-10 Sat 2049-08-28 Merc 2052-03-07 > Ket 2054-06-14 Ven 2055-05-20 Sun 2058-01-19 > Moon 2058-11-10 Mars 2060-03-07 Rah 2061-02-12 > > > Punya chart > > Natal Chart > > May 3, 2001 > Time: 7:25:33 > Time Zone: 4:00:00 (West of GMT) > Place: 79 W 25' 00", 43 N 40' 00" > Toronto, Canada > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vrisha - Vaisakha > Tithi: Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) (45.12% left) > Vedic Weekday: Thursday (Ju) > Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Ve) (5.66% left) > Yoga: Vyaghata (Ve) > Karana: Vishti (Sa) > Hora Lord: Mars (5 min sign: Cp) > Mahakala Hora: Jupiter (5 min sign: Ar) > Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Jupiter) > > Sunrise: 6:11:20 > Sunset: 20:19:06 > Janma Ghatis: 3.0920 > > Ayanamsa: 23-46-09.93 > Sidereal Time: 20:53:36 > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > > Lagna 13 Ta 33' 45.90" Rohi 2 Ta Ta > Sun - BK 19 Ar 19' 33.58" Bhar 2 Ar Vi > Moon - AK 25 Le 54' 43.79" PPha 4 Le Sc > Mars - GK 4 Sg 52' 45.74" Mool 2 Sg Ta > Mercury - DK 0 Ta 51' 49.66" Krit 2 Ta Cp > Jupiter - AmK 20 Ta 15' 30.87" Rohi 4 Ta Cn > Venus - PiK 10 Pi 49' 24.60" UBha 3 Pi Li > Saturn - PK 7 Ta 46' 25.70" Krit 4 Ta Pi > Rahu - MK 15 Ge 25' 47.63" Ardr 3 Ge Aq > Ketu 15 Sg 25' 47.63" PSha 1 Sg Le > Maandi 27 Ge 59' 16.88" Puna 3 Ge Ge > Gulika 17 Ge 05' 57.70" Ardr 4 Ge Pi > Uranus 0 Aq 47' 28.62" Dhan 3 Aq Li > Neptune 14 Cp 59' 34.75" Srav 2 Cp Ta > Pluto ® 20 Sc 57' 20.65" Jye 2 Sc Cp > Bhava Lagna 7 Ta 49' 41.76" Krit 4 Ta Pi > Hora Lagna 26 Ta 22' 49.78" Mrig 1 Ta Le > Ghati Lagna 22 Cn 02' 13.84" Asre 2 Cn Cp > Vighati Lagna 0 Ta 19' 14.12" Krit 2 Ta Cp > Varnada Lagna 9 Cn 56' 35.68" Push 2 Cn Vi > Sree Lagna 23 Ar 11' 28.19" Bhar 3 Ar Li > Pranapada Lagna 0 Ta 22' 13.96" Krit 2 Ta Cp > Indu Lagna 25 Aq 54' 43.79" PBha 2 Aq Ta > Dhooma 2 Vi 39' 33.58" UPha 2 Vi Cp > Vyatipata 27 Li 20' 26.42" Visa 3 Li Ge > Parivesha 27 Ar 20' 26.42" Krit 1 Ar Sg > Indra Chapa 2 Pi 39' 33.58" PBha 4 Pi Cn > Upaketu 19 Pi 19' 33.58" Reva 1 Pi Sg > Kaala 8 Le 50' 18.60" Makh 3 Le Ge > Mrityu 19 Vi 41' 00.23" Hast 3 Vi Ge > Artha Prahara 10 Li 00' 17.17" Swat 2 Li Cp > Yama Ghantaka 7 Ta 10' 57.74" Krit 4 Ta Pi > Prana Sphuta 24 Cp 54' 47.21" Dhan 1 Cp Le > Deha Sphuta 14 Vi 23' 48.00" Hast 2 Vi Ta > Mrityu Sphuta 19 Li 01' 17.45" Swat 4 Li Pi > Trisphuta 28 Cp 19' 52.66" Dhan 2 Cp Vi > V2 9 Vi 56' 35.68" UPha 4 Vi Pi > V3 9 Sc 56' 35.68" Anu 2 Sc Vi > V4 9 Cp 56' 35.68" USha 4 Cp Pi > V5 9 Pi 56' 35.68" UBha 2 Pi Vi > V6 9 Ta 56' 35.68" Krit 4 Ta Pi > V7 9 Cn 56' 35.68" Push 2 Cn Vi > V8 9 Vi 56' 35.68" UPha 4 Vi Pi > V9 9 Sc 56' 35.68" Anu 2 Sc Vi > V10 9 Cp 56' 35.68" USha 4 Cp Pi > V11 9 Pi 56' 35.68" UBha 2 Pi Vi > V12 9 Ta 56' 35.68" Krit 4 Ta Pi > Kunda 18 Cp 34' 58.06" Srav 3 Cp Ge > > Rasi > +--------------+ > | \ Md Gk / \ / | > | \ Ra / \ Su / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / Me \ / | > | \ / \ / | > |GL x Sa As HL x Ve | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ Ju / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ 2 / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | Mo x | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | x x AL | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / Ma \ | > | / \ / Ke \ | > +--------------+ > > Navamsa > +--------------+ > | \ / \ / | > | \ Md / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / Ma \ / | > | \ / \ / AL | > |Ju x As x Gk Sa | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / HL \ 2 / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | Ke x Ra | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > | \ / \ / | > |Su x Mo x GL Me | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > | / Ve \ / \ | > | / \ / \ | > +--------------+ > > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): > > Ven Ven 1982-06-21 Sun 1985-10-23 Moon 1986-10-23 > Mars 1988-06-21 Rah 1989-08-23 Jup 1992-08-23 > Sat 1995-04-20 Merc 1998-06-21 Ket 2001-04-20 > Sun Sun 2002-06-21 Moon 2002-10-11 Mars 2003-04-08 > Rah 2003-08-17 Jup 2004-07-10 Sat 2005-04-26 > Merc 2006-04-08 Ket 2007-02-13 Ven 2007-06-22 > Moon Moon 2008-06-21 Mars 2009-04-20 Rah 2009-11-22 > Jup 2011-05-21 Sat 2012-09-23 Merc 2014-04-20 > Ket 2015-09-23 Ven 2016-04-20 Sun 2017-12-22 > Mars Mars 2018-06-22 Rah 2018-11-19 Jup 2019-12-08 > Sat 2020-11-13 Merc 2021-12-22 Ket 2022-12-19 > Ven 2023-05-15 Sun 2024-07-16 Moon 2024-11-22 > Rah Rah 2025-06-21 Jup 2028-03-02 Sat 2030-07-29 > Merc 2033-06-03 Ket 2035-12-22 Ven 2037-01-08 > Sun 2040-01-09 Moon 2040-12-04 Mars 2042-06-03 > Jup Jup 2043-06-22 Sat 2045-08-11 Merc 2048-02-19 > Ket 2050-05-28 Ven 2051-05-03 Sun 2054-01-03 > Moon 2054-10-24 Mars 2056-02-20 Rah 2057-01-26 > Sat Sat 2059-06-22 Merc 2062-06-25 Ket 2065-03-03 > Ven 2066-04-11 Sun 2069-06-12 Moon 2070-05-25 > Mars 2071-12-26 Rah 2073-02-01 Jup 2075-12-11 > Merc Merc 2078-06-22 Ket 2080-11-19 Ven 2081-11-17 > Sun 2084-09-17 Moon 2085-07-23 Mars 2086-12-22 > Rah 2087-12-20 Jup 2090-07-08 Sat 2092-10-14 > Ket Ket 2095-06-22 Ven 2095-11-20 Sun 2097-01-18 > Moon 2097-05-25 Mars 2097-12-25 Rah 2098-05-22 > Jup 2099-06-10 Sat 2100-05-16 Merc 2101-06-26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 Dear Ash Ji,Chandershekhar Ji and Rajesh Ji,, I am thankful to all of you for studying the chart of my late brother from diffrent angles and systems.I am going through your replies and will go through them again and again for improving my learning.You have all been very kind.As my sister-in-law had contacted some psychics to know about my late brother I will pass on Rajesh Ji's infrences to her and my parents who will be much at peace with everything.No doubts he had fulfilled his dharma in life because about 10 years before his death he had cancer.He worked hard to make his family financially secure.Out of four of us he was the one who troubled our parents the least while growing up and even after growing up. With regards and heartfelt thanks, Jagmeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2003 Report Share Posted November 10, 2003 Dear Jagmeet, May your brother's noble soul rest in peace. Having read tomes on "After Life" by the renowned psychic Sylvia Browne who is a Medium as well, I am convinced that the dead are more alive than us mortals and look out for their kith and kin even in the Other World. Regards, Polly vedic astrology, jagmeet s dheendsa <jsdheendsa@j...> wrote: > Dear Ash Ji,Chandershekhar Ji and Rajesh Ji,, > I am thankful to all of you for studying the chart of my late brother > from diffrent angles and systems.I am going through your replies and will > go through them again and again for improving my learning.You have all > been very kind.As my sister-in-law had contacted some psychics to know > about my late brother I will pass on Rajesh Ji's infrences to her and my > parents who will be much at peace with everything.No doubts he had > fulfilled his dharma in life because about 10 years before his death he > had cancer.He worked hard to make his family financially secure.Out of > four of us he was the one who troubled our parents the least while > growing up and even after growing up. > With regards and heartfelt thanks, > Jagmeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 Dear Members Here are some more thoughts on this topic: As per Karmic theory, a human being is born only 9 times during 84 million yonis/births as other life forms. Out of these 9 births, 4 are that of a man, 4 are of a woman and the middle one is always that of an enuch/hermaprodite (KTShubhkarkan's books).There are several sequences possible of alternate male/female births or four births of same sex, followed by enuch birth and followed by four births of other sex. So the Supreme God has several surprizes and humilating lessons reseverd for us. For all those strong and macho men, it can be very humilating thought that their next birth can be that of a woman and they will have to perform all the womanly duties in next life/or simply live as a woman for several years. On the otherhand, its equally humilating for the die-hard feminists to acknowledge that their next birth can be that of a man, whom they love to hate most in this birth. Not only that al the 9 Nava Rasa(9 tastes) must be experienced by all in various births i.e, Sringara(Love), Vira (Heroism), Bhibhatsa (Disgust), Raudra(Anger/Fury), Mirth(hasya), Terror, Pity, wonder and Tranquility/contentment/Paternal fondness. So if one has experienced more of one type of taste in last life, then he/she will experience less of that taste in this life. That pretty much explains why people with same rashi chart have different destinies(with or without taking divisional charts in consideration). Recently I have seen/felt how planets take away life(its always easy to mention the word death and always difficult to describe the processes that lead to it), when one of my Uncles passed away. He was so strong and so enthusiastic about life in general, yet he remained humble throughout his life(perhaps that thing helped him) and in the end prayed to gods to relieve him from a painful existence state (considering the fact that he was still very healthy and very active until the very last few months of his life. He was just 60 only and rather looked like 45 only). So in the end not much time is available (before those four men/women in white come to take us away, as he kept mentioning them few days before he left... only he could see them.)Gone are the so called good old days when one could go to the forest and spent 25/35 years in tapasaya mode after retirement and reach the great sanyasi status(there is no guarantee thesedays even with most modern medcines, people pass away at 45/50/60 age only).. In general available time on this earth, becomes shorter and shorter suddenly thesedays. So its better to achieve some punya(good karma accumulation) in this life rather than trying to achieve/activate rajyogas by all types of remedial measures and this punya can help of make the transition from this world to other smooth in the end. Also all types of remedial measures(gemstones, luckystones, kavach, bracelets, yantaras, special puja to control the planets, etc) are just postponement of the planetary punishments, which come later on in life and are even more severe sometimes. So may be a small punishment has been postponed temporarily and the bigger one will come in future(in this very life or a next life). May be the mantras and punya karma(good deeds) are the best remedy for all times. Thanks and Regards. RMK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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