Guest guest Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 || Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha || Dear JKDa, First, let us get the chart right! The TZ given by the native is 1Hr East, where as with JHora (Professional Version) I get TZ as 2Hrs East. I get 9 Cancer 39 as rising degree. Let's fix this, then we shall go into D7 and other divisions. Warm Regards Narayan vedic astrology, "j.k. dasgupta" <dgassociates@s...> wrote: > sorry.. 1st child lord sat is in aries.. should be a female instead, as sat is in deblity. here also a discripency > > - > j.k. dasgupta > vedic astrology > Saturday, June 14, 2003 5:34 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Abortion > > > Dear Marcus and Rosemary, > > My comments below, > > regards > > jk > - > Rosemary Innes-Jones > vedic astrology > Friday, June 13, 2003 3:00 AM > Re: [vedic astrology] Abortion > > > Dear Jk, > Thankyou for looking into this chart and this sensitive issue. > On raising this chart, In the D7, I get Mars, Lord of Scorpio, in Pisces, so second pregnancy would be female? > > jk: my mistake.. mars is in Pi. Pi is also considered a male rashi, so should be a male issue only, not a female. but 2nd is a female. so it does match here. in D1 also 7L sat is with Jup, indicating a male child. others also may plz comment on this, why this discripency ! > > however Marcus has confirmed that 1st pregnancy was not lost. then i noticed the strong jup in both D1 & D7. yes it should be a male - as lor sat is in Ar. but there must have been some problem in both the 1st and 3rd pregnancy due to rahu aspect. Marcus may plz check it back and give a feed back. > > Everything else seems to be the same as you say. > For the third pregnancy Mercury is lord of Virgo in Leo, would that not make the child male? Why do you say female? > > jk: parivartana between sun and mer should give a female child, but it's a male.. here also it is not matching. other learned members may plz comment on this. > > If there was a loss of the first pregnancy, due to Rahu, would not the 4th pregnancy also be lost, with the inflence of Ketu residing in Cancer? Ketu-mistake ? > > jk: yes might be > > You mentioned curse of the mother in the second house. Moon is in the second house of the family, so the curse is on the family.Curse of the mother, but why not Venus, curse of the wife, for the family? Mars and Rahu aspect both by graha drishti, but not saturn, so not complete. Anger(Mars) and shock(Rahu) but not grief? ( saturn) > > jk: aspect of any 2 malefic will form the curse and moon is the more benefic planet, so that will lead the effect. others will follow it > > Please can you explain about the curse, and how to read the termination aspects. > In regard to Marcus's question on an astrologers duty, would it not be appropriate for him to tell his client about the consequences of actions, if it could be done very carefully. As the lady is already in quite a state emotionally, the jyotishi would need to re affirm her confidence in herself first, remind her to have faith in God, who chooses life, and to see all things freshly in every new moment. I feel particularly close to this situation, having lived through something similar myself. The fear of losing the husband, and responsibility for the two living children, has to be addresed in her, as if she just follows blindly what her husband directs, when she knows the truth , she is not allowing him to be the greater man that he could be. Whether the husband chooses to stay or leave, would not she be protected in some way, as she has chosen the truthful route. The truth protects, we do not have to protect the truth. Without a husband, life will be more challenging, as I have also found, but having lost 2 husbands through death, and two pregnancys, I do believe one never loses what you need. It is all lessons, all growth and no mistakes. The only mis-take is our view of reality, and a jyotishi's duty is to bring light or the eyes of the veda to those suffering with a mis-take. Her path is hers to direct, not the astrologers, and we must be careful not take the responsibility of the descision away from the client. we can tell about the climate and the influences andthe consequences but we must not claim the result of our counsel. This comes from God. > Thankyou and kind regards, > Rosemary > - > j.k. dasgupta > vedic astrology > Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:05 PM > [vedic astrology] Abortion > > > dear Marcus, > > if you look at D7, she must have lost her 1st child. D7 lagna is even. so count antizodiac and see that 5th house from Ta (Cp) is afflicted by Rahu. Then 1 male (3rd from Cp is Sc and lord in Ari) & 1 female children (3rd from Sc is Vi and lord in Le..but having parivartana witrh Su). This pregnency must be a female again (3rd from Vi is Cn and lord Moon is in Aq). is she telling the truth? i do not see any abortion in the last pregnency. can you give a feed back on this? > > i do not find any reason why this pregnency should be terminated. See he 2nd house. Mer, Moon & Ven afflicted by Rahu & Mars (also in badhaka sthana). Seems to be curse of mother from her past life. Moon is also her AK as well as Asc lord.. with Rahu. Not a very good situation - lot of depresion and eccentric behaviour might be there. Ask her to recite Mrityunjaya mantra regularly to. > > she is running Ju MD. Ju is her DK.. a teaching time for her husband. > > Regards > > jk > > > - > freudenmann > vedic astrology > Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:02 AM > [vedic astrology] Abortion > > > Dear Guru's and group members > > My knowledge as Jyotishi is very limited and the theme is too delicate to mess around with it. > Therefore I would like to ask humbly for your advice. > > A 43 year old woman has approached me some time ago with the question on how to appease her mind and God for an abortion she has done about 1 year ago. We came, in a long talk, to the conclusion that taking up yoga exercises and chanting the mantra Om Namaha Shivaya, do meditation daily and pray to God would help to work with this load. Important was to make her understand that God will forgive us only if we forgive ourselves. She has taken up all exercises with extreme care and slowly it seemed as if she could find some peace of mind. > > Now she has approached me 2 days ago to let me know that she is pregnant again and was scared to death to go through this decision again. Her Husband/Partner does not want the child and is opposing it drastically. He had an operation done in January and now wants to sue the doctor. Their relation is anyway not extremely stable and a 3rd child brings a big conflict between them. She feels blessed to have the chance to do better this time but on the other side faces a single life with 3 children and no money. > > > The lady has a quite difficult chart with 5 planets in the second house. Chart attached. > Female, 24/08/1960, 04:10:00, DST/WT 0, Basel (Bale), , Switzerland, Time Zone 1.00, Lat. 47 N 33, Long. 7 E 35, Tithi-2nd Tithi-Dvitiya of Waxing Moon > > Looking at the Vishottari Dasa we see that she has entered into JU-SA-SA-SA with commencement of this pregnancy. > SA retrograde in the 6th house as Lord of 7 and 8 does not indicate a great next future. Even though SA is in the same house with Jupiter both are aspected by MA and RA. JU himself is also tinted by its rulership of the 6th house. SA occupies in the Saptamsha chart the 12th house indicating loss and spiritual lessons to be learned. and Jupiter lords and occupies the 8th house. > She is starting her second cycle of Sadhesati on the 09.May.2004. shortly after the birth of the child which means that there is great suffering to come. > > What is my duty? > What should I suggest? > I know that abortion is killing and is tabou. But is it my right to judge and say so? > > > Thank you very much for your patience > > Humbly yours > Marcus > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 dear Narayan, namaste. i was seeing from the attached chart itself. yes if we take Tz as 2 Hrs then we get D7 lagna as Pi. even rashi, 1st. : 9L Ma is in Pi - a male child, 2nd.: 7L Me is in Le in arivartana with Sun. a female child 3rd. : Now 5L moon is in Aq. should it not be a female child? 4th. : Is there any indication of abortion? because of Ke either it should have ended with the last child or next child should be seen from Ge (as i know). then i do not see any indication of abortion except aspect of mars of course (which may show loss of pregnancy due to bleeding or medical reasons, if i am correct). if we consider Ta for next child (considering manduka gati as usual) - then of course it has aspect of rahu and also lord Ve is with Rahu. or the chart requires BT rectification! regards jk - > vedic astrology, "naaraayana_iyer" > <narayan@s...> wrote: > || Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha || > > Dear JKDa, > > First, let us get the chart right! The TZ given by the native is 1Hr > East, where as with JHora (Professional Version) I get TZ as 2Hrs > East. I get 9 Cancer 39 as rising degree. > > Let's fix this, then we shall go into D7 and other divisions. > > Warm Regards > Narayan > > > > > vedic astrology, "j.k. dasgupta" > <dgassociates@s...> wrote: > > sorry.. 1st child lord sat is in aries.. should be a female > instead, as sat is in deblity. here also a discripency > > > > - > > j.k. dasgupta > > vedic astrology > > Saturday, June 14, 2003 5:34 PM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Abortion > > > > > > Dear Marcus and Rosemary, > > > > My comments below, > > > > regards > > > > jk > > - > > Rosemary Innes-Jones > > vedic astrology > > Friday, June 13, 2003 3:00 AM > > Re: [vedic astrology] Abortion > > > > > > Dear Jk, > > Thankyou for looking into this chart and this sensitive issue. > > On raising this chart, In the D7, I get Mars, Lord of Scorpio, > in Pisces, so second pregnancy would be female? > > > > jk: my mistake.. mars is in Pi. Pi is also considered a male > rashi, so should be a male issue only, not a female. but 2nd is a > female. so it does match here. in D1 also 7L sat is with Jup, > indicating a male child. others also may plz comment on this, why > this discripency ! > > > > however Marcus has confirmed that 1st pregnancy was not lost. > then i noticed the strong jup in both D1 & D7. yes it should be a > male - as lor sat is in Ar. but there must have been some problem in > both the 1st and 3rd pregnancy due to rahu aspect. Marcus may plz > check it back and give a feed back. > > > > Everything else seems to be the same as you say. > > For the third pregnancy Mercury is lord of Virgo in Leo, would > that not make the child male? Why do you say female? > > > > jk: parivartana between sun and mer should give a female child, > but it's a male.. here also it is not matching. other learned > members may plz comment on this. > > > > If there was a loss of the first pregnancy, due to Rahu, would > not the 4th pregnancy also be lost, with the inflence of Ketu > residing in Cancer? Ketu-mistake ? > > > > jk: yes might be > > > > You mentioned curse of the mother in the second house. Moon is > in the second house of the family, so the curse is on the > family.Curse of the mother, but why not Venus, curse of the wife, > for the family? Mars and Rahu aspect both by graha drishti, but not > saturn, so not complete. Anger(Mars) and shock(Rahu) but not grief? > ( saturn) > > > > jk: aspect of any 2 malefic will form the curse and moon is the > more benefic planet, so that will lead the effect. others will > follow it > > > > Please can you explain about the curse, and how to read the > termination aspects. > > In regard to Marcus's question on an astrologers duty, would it > not be appropriate for him to tell his client about the consequences > of actions, if it could be done very carefully. As the lady is > already in quite a state emotionally, the jyotishi would need to re > affirm her confidence in herself first, remind her to have faith in > God, who chooses life, and to see all things freshly in every new > moment. I feel particularly close to this situation, having lived > through something similar myself. The fear of losing the husband, > and responsibility for the two living children, has to be addresed > in her, as if she just follows blindly what her husband directs, > when she knows the truth , she is not allowing him to be the greater > man that he could be. Whether the husband chooses to stay or leave, > would not she be protected in some way, as she has chosen the > truthful route. The truth protects, we do not have to protect the > truth. Without a husband, life will be more challenging, as I have > also found, but having lost 2 husbands through death, and two > pregnancys, I do believe one never loses what you need. It is all > lessons, all growth and no mistakes. The only mis-take is our view > of reality, and a jyotishi's duty is to bring light or the eyes of > the veda to those suffering with a mis-take. Her path is hers to > direct, not the astrologers, and we must be careful not take the > responsibility of the descision away from the client. we can tell > about the climate and the influences andthe consequences but we must > not claim the result of our counsel. This comes from God. > > Thankyou and kind regards, > > Rosemary > > - > > j.k. dasgupta > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:05 PM > > [vedic astrology] Abortion > > > > > > dear Marcus, > > > > if you look at D7, she must have lost her 1st child. D7 lagna > is even. so count antizodiac and see that 5th house from Ta (Cp) is > afflicted by Rahu. Then 1 male (3rd from Cp is Sc and lord in Ari) & > 1 female children (3rd from Sc is Vi and lord in Le..but having > parivartana witrh Su). This pregnency must be a female again (3rd > from Vi is Cn and lord Moon is in Aq). is she telling the truth? i > do not see any abortion in the last pregnency. can you give a feed > back on this? > > > > i do not find any reason why this pregnency should be > terminated. See he 2nd house. Mer, Moon & Ven afflicted by Rahu & > Mars (also in badhaka sthana). Seems to be curse of mother from her > past life. Moon is also her AK as well as Asc lord.. with Rahu. Not > a very good situation - lot of depresion and eccentric behaviour > might be there. Ask her to recite Mrityunjaya mantra regularly to. > > > > she is running Ju MD. Ju is her DK.. a teaching time for her > husband. > > > > Regards > > > > jk > > > > > > - > > freudenmann > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:02 AM > > [vedic astrology] Abortion > > > > > > Dear Guru's and group members > > > > My knowledge as Jyotishi is very limited and the theme is too > delicate to mess around with it. > > Therefore I would like to ask humbly for your advice. > > > > A 43 year old woman has approached me some time ago with the > question on how to appease her mind and God for an abortion she has > done about 1 year ago. We came, in a long talk, to the conclusion > that taking up yoga exercises and chanting the mantra Om Namaha > Shivaya, do meditation daily and pray to God would help to work with > this load. Important was to make her understand that God will > forgive us only if we forgive ourselves. She has taken up all > exercises with extreme care and slowly it seemed as if she could > find some peace of mind. > > > > Now she has approached me 2 days ago to let me know that she > is pregnant again and was scared to death to go through this > decision again. Her Husband/Partner does not want the child and is > opposing it drastically. He had an operation done in January and now > wants to sue the doctor. Their relation is anyway not extremely > stable and a 3rd child brings a big conflict between them. She feels > blessed to have the chance to do better this time but on the other > side faces a single life with 3 children and no money. > > > > > > The lady has a quite difficult chart with 5 planets in the > second house. Chart attached. > > Female, 24/08/1960, 04:10:00, DST/WT 0, Basel (Bale), , > Switzerland, Time Zone 1.00, Lat. 47 N 33, Long. 7 E 35, Tithi-2nd > Tithi-Dvitiya of Waxing Moon > > > > Looking at the Vishottari Dasa we see that she has entered > into JU-SA-SA-SA with commencement of this pregnancy. > > SA retrograde in the 6th house as Lord of 7 and 8 does not > indicate a great next future. Even though SA is in the same house > with Jupiter both are aspected by MA and RA. JU himself is also > tinted by its rulership of the 6th house. SA occupies in the > Saptamsha chart the 12th house indicating loss and spiritual lessons > to be learned. and Jupiter lords and occupies the 8th house. > > She is starting her second cycle of Sadhesati on the > 09.May.2004. shortly after the birth of the child which means that > there is great suffering to come. > > > > What is my duty? > > What should I suggest? > > I know that abortion is killing and is tabou. But is it my > right to judge and say so? > > > > > > Thank you very much for your patience > > > > Humbly yours > > Marcus > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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