Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Om Namah Shivaya Dear Narayanji, Thank you very much for your kind explanation and time. Actually while checking with my friend again, I found out his birth time is 2.32 AM, not 3.22 AM, as wrongly quoted by me. With this time every thing is crystal clear. Please accept my apologies, for the wrong data. With your blessings, Palanivelu L.M vedic astrology, "naaraayana_iyer" <narayan@s...> wrote: > Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha || > > Dear Palanivelu, > > There are too many rules and exceptions in predicting the sex of > child. There are some standard rules, which can be applied, but that > is not sufficient. However ,this is a fertile area for research and > much effort needs to be put into it. > > > What we could do is to cross-verify the features/characteristics of > child using saptamsa Lagna with the Natal chart of the kid. This can > only be done when the child is born, otherwise just experiment and > share your research findings with the list. > > For example, in the chart given, if we move the lagna to Taurus (this > would mean an addition of 19 minutes!), then 5L in reverse is Saturn > with Moon indicating a girl. The 7L is Mars with Rahu indicating a > boy! > > Now we use Capricorn and Taurus as Lagna for cross-verifying the > childs nature. Here Capricorn has a strong Saturn with Moon, > indicating child will have a strong Saturn and have a tendecy to > worry. This also shows a pessimistic outlook. The girl could be short- > tempred (Mars & Rahu in 5th) afflicting the Intelligence .. so on. > > Similarly the Boy may have nodal influence on his Ascendant as we > have Taurus rising in Saptamsa. He will also be hot-headed and > impulsive Mars&Rahu on Lagna. Remember COVA chapter 5, Gurudeva says > that 5th house is same as 1st house and planets in there has a say on > the lagna. A strong Jupiter aspecting the combination keeps the > temper under control, hence look for this. Another point, the lord of > Lagna of 2nd child is Venus in Marana Sthana in 6H ... points to > premature birth! > > Also, this a males chart, hence 5th house is contrlling and 6th house > is Maraka Sthana ... showing to problems with progeny and procreation! > > So, like this, compare the reading from Saptamsa Chart with that from > the Natal Chart and see if it makes sense. > > My readin could be completely wrong here, but rules I followed is > correct, so if nature of the kids are different then Saptamsa Lagna > should be different. Experiment with it and let us know. > > Good Luck & Hope this Helps. > > Warm Regards > Narayan > > > > vedic astrology, "palsdevi" <palsdevi> > wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > > Dear respected members, > > > > I have a chart of my friend who has 2 kids, first a > > girl and the second one, boy. I checked his D7 chart, > > to confirm these, but in vain. > > > > His saptamsa lagna is Aries, an odd sign. So I counted > > zodiacally and the 5th house lord, Sun, is in Sagittarius > > w/o any other planets. It is an odd sign, so according > > to this, the sex of the first child is boy. But in reality, > > it's a girl. > > > > The 2nd pregnancy lord (7th house) Venus is in it's own > > house Libra, an odd sign w/o any association. Hence it > > has to be a boy. It matches the 2nd issue, in reality. > > > > The D7 lagna changes to Pisces, if the time is changed > > by 2 minutes and 6 seconds earlier. Even that does not > > match. Could you please educate me as where I have gone > > wrong. > > > > My friend's birth data is: > > 5 September 1967, 3:22 AM IST, New Delhi. > > > > Thanks, > > Palanivelu L.M > > > > p.s: I do not know as how to attach his jhd chart to this > > email. Appreciate your input on this regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 || Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha || Dear Palanivelu, No problem. Point is, try using the technique I gave and you will see it working and it should work ... that is the whole point of using Saptamsa and the Inidvidual Child Lagna!! So ignore the reading, but use the logic and test it for yourself. Good Luck Warm Regards Narayan vedic astrology, "palsdevi" <palsdevi> wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya > > Dear Narayanji, > > Thank you very much for your kind explanation and time. > Actually while checking with my friend again, I found > out his birth time is 2.32 AM, not 3.22 AM, as wrongly > quoted by me. With this time every thing is crystal clear. > Please accept my apologies, for the wrong data. > > With your blessings, > Palanivelu L.M > > > > vedic astrology, "naaraayana_iyer" > <narayan@s...> wrote: > > Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha || > > > > Dear Palanivelu, > > > > There are too many rules and exceptions in predicting the sex of > > child. There are some standard rules, which can be applied, but > that > > is not sufficient. However ,this is a fertile area for research and > > much effort needs to be put into it. > > > > > > What we could do is to cross-verify the features/characteristics of > > child using saptamsa Lagna with the Natal chart of the kid. This > can > > only be done when the child is born, otherwise just experiment and > > share your research findings with the list. > > > > For example, in the chart given, if we move the lagna to Taurus > (this > > would mean an addition of 19 minutes!), then 5L in reverse is > Saturn > > with Moon indicating a girl. The 7L is Mars with Rahu indicating a > > boy! > > > > Now we use Capricorn and Taurus as Lagna for cross-verifying the > > childs nature. Here Capricorn has a strong Saturn with Moon, > > indicating child will have a strong Saturn and have a tendecy to > > worry. This also shows a pessimistic outlook. The girl could be > short- > > tempred (Mars & Rahu in 5th) afflicting the Intelligence .. so on. > > > > Similarly the Boy may have nodal influence on his Ascendant as we > > have Taurus rising in Saptamsa. He will also be hot-headed and > > impulsive Mars&Rahu on Lagna. Remember COVA chapter 5, Gurudeva > says > > that 5th house is same as 1st house and planets in there has a say > on > > the lagna. A strong Jupiter aspecting the combination keeps the > > temper under control, hence look for this. Another point, the lord > of > > Lagna of 2nd child is Venus in Marana Sthana in 6H ... points to > > premature birth! > > > > Also, this a males chart, hence 5th house is contrlling and 6th > house > > is Maraka Sthana ... showing to problems with progeny and > procreation! > > > > So, like this, compare the reading from Saptamsa Chart with that > from > > the Natal Chart and see if it makes sense. > > > > My readin could be completely wrong here, but rules I followed is > > correct, so if nature of the kids are different then Saptamsa Lagna > > should be different. Experiment with it and let us know. > > > > Good Luck & Hope this Helps. > > > > Warm Regards > > Narayan > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "palsdevi" <palsdevi> > > wrote: > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > > > > Dear respected members, > > > > > > I have a chart of my friend who has 2 kids, first a > > > girl and the second one, boy. I checked his D7 chart, > > > to confirm these, but in vain. > > > > > > His saptamsa lagna is Aries, an odd sign. So I counted > > > zodiacally and the 5th house lord, Sun, is in Sagittarius > > > w/o any other planets. It is an odd sign, so according > > > to this, the sex of the first child is boy. But in reality, > > > it's a girl. > > > > > > The 2nd pregnancy lord (7th house) Venus is in it's own > > > house Libra, an odd sign w/o any association. Hence it > > > has to be a boy. It matches the 2nd issue, in reality. > > > > > > The D7 lagna changes to Pisces, if the time is changed > > > by 2 minutes and 6 seconds earlier. Even that does not > > > match. Could you please educate me as where I have gone > > > wrong. > > > > > > My friend's birth data is: > > > 5 September 1967, 3:22 AM IST, New Delhi. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Palanivelu L.M > > > > > > p.s: I do not know as how to attach his jhd chart to this > > > email. Appreciate your input on this regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2003 Report Share Posted June 5, 2003 Shri Krsna, Kindly find my chart enclosed. I remember we aborted first pregancy. Regards Ramesh --- Dhira Krsna BCS <Dhira.Krsna.BCS wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > > >Because of the differences I have started wondering > if > >I need to account for misscarriages or abortions in > >the analysis. > > Of course you have to account miscarriages as well. > If you like, you can > send your chart. > > Yours, > Dhira Krsna dasa, > Jyotisha > http://www.radhadesh.com > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. http://calendar. Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Ramesh.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Dear Dhira Krsnaji, I am grateful to you for your kind exlanation. Your reading is accurate in all respects, except that the last child is a Female. Honestly I wasn't counting in reverse! So may be it is time for me to do some more reading. 1st Child: I can see the reasons for the child being aborted. 2nd Child: Yes it is a female child with Cancer Lagna. 3rd child: True that was an abortion too! I shall appreciate if you can elaborate the logic (reading it as abortion) for my learning. 4th Child: Yes it is a male child. 11th house as counted from reverse is Pisces. Lord Jupiter is placed in Cancer. I trust this is because of Cancer which gives a male child even though it is an even sign. 5th Child: This is a female child. By extending the same logic, I presume this is to be seen from the Saptmsa lagna rasi which is Capricon, lord Saturn is placed in Libra. Libra is an odd sign which probably led you to predict a male child. There must be other reasons for the child actually being a female! There are 2 more clarifications where I need help in understanding. 1. You have stated that Jupiter has "no Navamsa". Can you kindly explain the meaning to me please? 2. From your mail I gather that one needs to calculate number of planets between lagna and 5th Lord of Rasi chart in D9. Is it correct? Would this include the planets placed in Lagna Rasi and planets placed in Rasi occupied by 5L? Can you use my case as an exaple please? I appreciate your help and efforts. Many thanks. Kind regards Ramesh --- Dhira Krsna BCS <Dhira.Krsna.BCS wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > > Hare Rama Krsna! > > >Kindly find my chart enclosed. I remember we > aborted > >first pregancy. > > I suppose, seeing from your name, that you are a > male? See your Saptamsa, > lagna is even sign, so 5th in reverse, Virgo, will > show first child. It > has Moon-Ketu, Moon is your atmakaraka and with Ketu > it shows that you > would abort the child. Mercury, the lord, is in 9th, > with it's dispositor > Venus in marana karaka sthana in 6th from it with > exalted Saturn, Saptamsa > lagna lord, which shows that the child would die. > 2nd child, the lord is > Moon with Ketu and in Virgo, female sign, would give > a girl. 3rd child, I > think, will have been a miscarriage again, and after > you may have had 1 or > 2 boys? > > Look at rasi chart also: 5th lord in 6th, while 5th > house is aspected by > Rahu and 5th lord by 6th lord Saturn, shows that you > will go through quite > some karma in regard to children. 5th lord has got > no Navamsas, but being > in vargottama, it is powerful enough to give a > child. > > Navamsa confirms the loss of 2 children: count from > lagna till Jupiter, > and see that 2 malefics are there, Sun and Ketu, > thus 2 children lost, and > a total of 3 children is given, 2 boys, 1 girl. > > Yours, > Dhira Krsna dasa, > Jyotisha > http://www.radhadesh.com > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. http://calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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