Adhana Lagna and Prediction of child birth.

October 14, 2003

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Vishnu,

Thats an excellent suggestion and I also hope that the Gurus/learned

members would share this input on (garb)adhana lagna which is

supposed to be the most accurate of all the three lagnas.

Obviously, I wont ask you how you got the adhana lagna for yourself

(smile) but I am rather curious to know your definition for the same

because the time of conjugal union and the time of fertilization of

the ovum by the spermatozoa can be different, differing in margin by

as much as 7 days.

Another suggestion: many members use web access; so can you please

repost the two jhd charts in text format directly inside the mail?

regards

Hari

vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala

<jvk1305> wrote:

> Dear friends,

>

> I have gone through as many books as i could get my

> hand on but to my surprise i came across only one book

> in which Adhana(conception) was discussed and that too

> a case that was recorded in the 1840's(Jaimini Sutra

> by Prof.P.S.Sastry). I am attaching my horoscope and

> the Adhana chart that maybe off by 5 minutes(either

> way).

>

> I thought it would be nice learning experience for me

> and others as well, if the learned gurus can shed some

> light on this hardly spoken topic.

>

> Hoping to see some excellent analysis from Sri

> Narasimha garu and Sri Ramdasa Rao as is expected from

> them.

>

> warm regards,

>

> Vishnu

>

> The New with improved product search

>

October 14, 2003

Dear Mr.Hari,

Good question!

Prof.Sastry in his book has defined Adhana as the time

of coitus/union and i have also seen the same

definition by Sri Iranganti Rangacharya(Jaimini

Sutramritam). I have simply followed them(winks!)

I have pasted the adhana chart followed by mine below

for the convenience of others.

thanks

Vishnu

Adhana Chart:-

adhana

Natal Chart

July 4, 2003

Time: 2:00:00 am

Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 89 W 24' 04", 43 N 04' 23"

Madison, Wisconsin, USA

Altitude: 863.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo: Subhanu - Ashadha

Tithi: Sukla Panchami (Ju) (49.48% left)

Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

Nakshatra: Makha (Ke) (9.38% left)

Yoga: Siddhi (Ma)

Karana: Balava (Mo)

Hora Lord: Saturn (5 min sign: Cn)

Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Cn)

Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)

Sunrise: 5:27:07 am (July 3)

Sunset: 8:36:04 pm (July 3)

Janma Ghatis: 51.3702

Ayanamsa: 23-54-06.87

Sidereal Time: 19:49:55

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi

Navamsa

Lagna 22 Ar 19' 32.00" Bhar 3 Ar Li

Sun - BK 18 Ge 01' 16.00" Ardr 4 Ge Pi

Moon - PK 12 Le 04' 58.94" Makh 4 Le Cn

Mars - PiK 12 Aq 20' 21.74" Sata 2 Aq Cp

Mercury - MK 16 Ge 38' 28.05" Ardr 3 Ge Aq

Jupiter - AmK 24 Cn 40' 53.94" Asre 3 Cn Aq

Venus - DK 5 Ge 34' 03.11" Mrig 4 Ge Sc

Saturn - GK 10 Ge 00' 40.47" Ardr 2 Ge Cp

Rahu - AK 3 Ta 22' 08.55" Krit 3 Ta Aq

Ketu 3 Sc 22' 08.55" Anu 1 Sc Le

Maandi 6 Ta 16' 34.47" Krit 3 Ta Aq

Gulika 25 Ar 17' 16.21" Bhar 4 Ar Sc

Bhava Lagna 25 Ar 25' 32.67" Bhar 4 Ar Sc

Hora Lagna 3 Pi 38' 48.47" UBha 1 Pi Le

Ghati Lagna 28 Vi 18' 35.84" Chit 2 Vi Vi

Vighati Lagna 1 Le 37' 32.70" Makh 1 Le Ar

Varnada Lagna 4 Ar 01' 39.54" Aswi 2 Ar Ta

Sree Lagna 18 Pi 34' 03.37" Reva 1 Pi Sg

Dhooma 1 Sc 21' 16.00" Visa 4 Sc Cn

Vyatipata 28 Le 38' 44.00" UPha 1 Le Sg

Parivesha 28 Aq 38' 44.00" PBha 3 Aq Ge

Indra Chapa 1 Ta 21' 16.00" Krit 2 Ta Cp

Upaketu 18 Ta 01' 16.00" Rohi 3 Ta Ge

Kaala 10 Ge 42' 51.87" Ardr 2 Ge Cp

Mrityu 18 Cp 04' 38.95" Srav 3 Cp Ge

Artha Prahara 14 Aq 22' 41.26" Sata 3 Aq Aq

Yama Ghantaka 14 Pi 28' 11.87" UBha 4 Pi Sc

+--------------+

| | | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|Ma | |Ju |

| | | |

|-----------| Rasi |-----------|

| | |Mo |

| | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|AL |Ke | |GL |

| | | | |

+--------------+

|Su | | | |

| | | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|Me Ju | |Mo |

|Ra Md | | |

| | | |

|-----------| Navamsa |-----------|

|Ma Sa | |Ke HL |

| | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|AL |Ve Gk |As |GL |

| | | | |

+--------------+

My chart:-

vishnu

Natal Chart

May 13, 1972

Time: 7:40:00 pm

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 78 E 28' 00", 17 N 23' 00"

Hyderabad, India

Altitude: 0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Nija Vaisakha

Tithi: Sukla Pratipat (Su) (50.30% left)

Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

Nakshatra: Krittika (Su) (34.53% left)

Yoga: Sobhana (Su)

Karana: Kimstughna (Su)

Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Ta)

Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sc)

Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Jupiter)

Sunrise: 5:47:37 am

Sunset: 6:37:40 pm

Janma Ghatis: 34.6830

Ayanamsa: 23-28-30.73

Sidereal Time: 10:49:35

+--------------+

| | | |HL |

| | | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

| | |Ke |

| | | |

|-----------| Rasi |-----------|

|Ra Md | | |

|AL | | |

| | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|JuR Gk |As | | |

| | | | |

+--------------+

|Md | |Sa HL |Me |

| | | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|Mo Ra | | |

| | | |

|-----------| Navamsa |-----------|

|AL | |JuR Ke |

| | | |

|-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

|Su Ma |As | | |

|Gk | | | |

| | | | |

+--------------+

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Sun Sun 1968-06-09 Moo 1968-09-26 Mar 1969-03-28

Rah 1969-08-03 Jup 1970-06-27 Sat 1971-04-16

Mer 1972-03-28 Ket 1973-02-01 Ven 1973-06-09

Moo Moo 1974-06-09 Mar 1975-04-10 Rah 1975-11-09

Jup 1977-05-09 Sat 1978-09-08 Mer 1980-04-09

Ket 1981-09-08 Ven 1982-04-09 Sun 1983-12-09

Mar Mar 1984-06-09 Rah 1984-11-05 Jup 1985-11-23

Sat 1986-10-30 Mer 1987-12-09 Ket 1988-12-05

Ven 1989-05-03 Sun 1990-07-03 Moo 1990-11-08

Rah Rah 1991-06-09 Jup 1994-02-19 Sat 1996-07-15

Mer 1999-05-22 Ket 2001-12-08 Ven 2002-12-27

Sun 2005-12-27 Moo 2006-11-20 Mar 2008-05-21

Jup Jup 2009-06-09 Sat 2011-07-28 Mer 2014-02-07

Ket 2016-05-15 Ven 2017-04-21 Sun 2019-12-21

Moo 2020-10-08 Mar 2022-02-07 Rah 2023-01-14

Sat Sat 2025-06-09 Mer 2028-06-11 Ket 2031-02-19

Ven 2032-03-30 Sun 2035-05-31 Moo 2036-05-12

Mar 2037-12-11 Rah 2039-01-20 Jup 2041-11-26

Mer Mer 2044-06-08 Ket 2046-11-05 Ven 2047-11-02

Sun 2050-09-02 Moo 2051-07-09 Mar 2052-12-08

Rah 2053-12-05 Jup 2056-06-23 Sat 2058-09-29

Ket Ket 2061-06-08 Ven 2061-11-04 Sun 2063-01-04

Moo 2063-05-12 Mar 2063-12-11 Rah 2064-05-09

Jup 2065-05-27 Sat 2066-05-03 Mer 2067-06-12

Ven Ven 2068-06-08 Sun 2071-10-08 Moo 2072-10-08

Mar 2074-06-08 Rah 2075-08-09 Jup 2078-08-08

Sat 2081-04-08 Mer 2084-06-08 Ket 2087-04-09

--- onlyhari <onlyhari wrote:

> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>

> Dear Vishnu,

>

> Thats an excellent suggestion and I also hope that

> the Gurus/learned

> members would share this input on (garb)adhana lagna

> which is

> supposed to be the most accurate of all the three

> lagnas.

>

> Obviously, I wont ask you how you got the adhana

> lagna for yourself

> (smile) but I am rather curious to know your

> definition for the same

> because the time of conjugal union and the time of

> fertilization of

> the ovum by the spermatozoa can be different,

> differing in margin by

> as much as 7 days.

>

> Another suggestion: many members use web access; so

> can you please

> repost the two jhd charts in text format directly

> inside the mail?

>

> regards

> Hari

>

> vedic astrology, Vishnu

> Jandhyala

> <jvk1305> wrote:

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > I have gone through as many books as i could get

> my

> > hand on but to my surprise i came across only one

> book

> > in which Adhana(conception) was discussed and that

> too

> > a case that was recorded in the 1840's(Jaimini

> Sutra

> > by Prof.P.S.Sastry). I am attaching my horoscope

> and

> > the Adhana chart that maybe off by 5

> minutes(either

> > way).

> >

> > I thought it would be nice learning experience

> for me

> > and others as well, if the learned gurus can shed

> some

> > light on this hardly spoken topic.

> >

> > Hoping to see some excellent analysis from Sri

> > Narasimha garu and Sri Ramdasa Rao as is expected

> from

> > them.

> >

> > warm regards,

> >

> > Vishnu

> >

> > The New with improved product

> search

> >

>

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October 15, 2003

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Vishnu,

Thanks for your reply. If I have understood it correctly, you are

giving the adhana lagna and would like to know when the child would

be born, is it not? And you are giving your chart for cross-

reference (Did you get married during Ra-Ve?).

Now, by a strange coincidence, I was reading the first chapter of

Satyacharya's principles and therein, there are three definitions

given for the birth lagna. It is clearly mentioned that the first

definition (ie garbadhana lagna) should be taken as the correct

birth lagna but in the absence of correct information, the time when

the child is actually delivered (touching the earth) can be taken as

the birth lagna. Even here there is a bit of controversy (umbilical

cord, first breath or cry etc).

But Satyacharya clearly mentions that the garbadhana lagna should be

given preference over the other types of birth lagna! So what is the

need for predicting child birth, when the time of birth is known?!!

If we take the time of birth to be the time when the atman (soul)

enters into the lady's womb (usually at the time of conjugal union?

and usually via the father?), then you already have the chart for

the child!

After a brief scan at the chart you have provided for the adhana

lagna, I am a bit concerned at the presence of Gullika in the first

house and Rahu & Mandi in the 2nd house respectively. Let us see

what Shri Ramadas has to say about this as he is an expert in these

areas.

Lets hope that the Gurus are able to educate us on this fascinating

case study.

regards

Hari

vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala

<jvk1305> wrote:

> Dear Mr.Hari,

>

> Good question!

>

> Prof.Sastry in his book has defined Adhana as the time

> of coitus/union and i have also seen the same

> definition by Sri Iranganti Rangacharya(Jaimini

> Sutramritam). I have simply followed them(winks!)

>

> I have pasted the adhana chart followed by mine below

> for the convenience of others.

>

> thanks

> Vishnu

October 15, 2003

Om Gurave namah

Dear hari

The words Nisheka and adhana have been used loosely in the context mentioned.

Nisheka is the time of union and adhana is the time of fertilisation of the

ovum or the start of pregnancy.

As you said, the times can be different and to this I fully agree as it is an

established scientific fact. By using Nisheka for adhana calculations, the late

Santanam has perhaps, overlooked this vital fact.

Best wishes

Sanjay Rath

-

onlyhari

vedic astrology

Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:56 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Adhana Lagna and Prediction of child birth.

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||Dear Vishnu,Thats an excellent suggestion and I also

hope that the Gurus/learned members would share this input on (garb)adhana

lagna which is supposed to be the most accurate of all the three

lagnas.Obviously, I wont ask you how you got the adhana lagna for yourself

(smile) but I am rather curious to know your definition for the same because

the time of conjugal union and the time of fertilization of the ovum by the

spermatozoa can be different, differing in margin by as much as 7 days.Another

suggestion: many members use web access; so can you please repost the two jhd

charts in text format directly inside the mail?regardsHari--- In

vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala <jvk1305> wrote:> Dear

friends,> > I have gone through as many books as i could get my> hand on but to

my surprise i came across only one book> in which Adhana(conception) was

discussed and that too> a case that was recorded in the 1840's(Jaimini Sutra>

by Prof.P.S.Sastry). I am attaching my horoscope and> the Adhana chart that

maybe off by 5 minutes(either> way). > > I thought it would be nice learning

experience for me> and others as well, if the learned gurus can shed some>

light on this hardly spoken topic.> > Hoping to see some excellent analysis

from Sri> Narasimha garu and Sri Ramdasa Rao as is expected from> them.> > warm

regards,> > Vishnu> > > > > >

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October 15, 2003

Dear Hari,

No, I got married in Ra-Me(July 1, 1999). If one were

to go by Satyacharya's principles.....this world of

astrology would have filled with adhana charts rather

than janma charts!

Vishnu

--- onlyhari <onlyhari wrote:

> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>

> Dear Vishnu,

>

> Thanks for your reply. If I have understood it

> correctly, you are

> giving the adhana lagna and would like to know when

> the child would

> be born, is it not? And you are giving your chart

> for cross-

> reference (Did you get married during Ra-Ve?).

>

> Now, by a strange coincidence, I was reading the

> first chapter of

> Satyacharya's principles and therein, there are

> three definitions

> given for the birth lagna. It is clearly mentioned

> that the first

> definition (ie garbadhana lagna) should be taken as

> the correct

> birth lagna but in the absence of correct

> information, the time when

> the child is actually delivered (touching the earth)

> can be taken as

> the birth lagna. Even here there is a bit of

> controversy (umbilical

> cord, first breath or cry etc).

>

> But Satyacharya clearly mentions that the garbadhana

> lagna should be

> given preference over the other types of birth

> lagna! So what is the

> need for predicting child birth, when the time of

> birth is known?!!

> If we take the time of birth to be the time when the

> atman (soul)

> enters into the lady's womb (usually at the time of

> conjugal union?

> and usually via the father?), then you already have

> the chart for

> the child!

>

> After a brief scan at the chart you have provided

> for the adhana

> lagna, I am a bit concerned at the presence of

> Gullika in the first

> house and Rahu & Mandi in the 2nd house

> respectively. Let us see

> what Shri Ramadas has to say about this as he is an

> expert in these

> areas.

>

> Lets hope that the Gurus are able to educate us on

> this fascinating

> case study.

>

> regards

> Hari

>

> vedic astrology, Vishnu

> Jandhyala

> <jvk1305> wrote:

> > Dear Mr.Hari,

> >

> > Good question!

> >

> > Prof.Sastry in his book has defined Adhana as the

> time

> > of coitus/union and i have also seen the same

> > definition by Sri Iranganti Rangacharya(Jaimini

> > Sutramritam). I have simply followed them(winks!)

> >

> > I have pasted the adhana chart followed by mine

> below

> > for the convenience of others.

> >

> > thanks

> > Vishnu

>

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October 15, 2003

om sarvamohinyai vidmahe viçvajananiyai dhémahi

tannaù çakti pracodayät|

Dear Vishnu,

Finally Hari has put on my head.( Smile ).Now let me take your chart

first.I have rectified your birth time as 19 : 42 : 04 Hrs.Now Lagna

is Vrischika and 5th lord is Guru who is Vakra in 2nd house.So Guru

can give the results of 2nd as well as 1st house.Guru is in the

nakshatra of poorvashada nakshatra ruled by Shukra who has been

aspected by Guru itself and Kuja is also with Shukra.Shukra

indicates female child.Also both Shukra and Kuja are in Aridra ruld

by Rahu who is in Makara which indicates also a female.But as Rahu

is a node,he may create trouble in progenic issues.Your natural Atma

Karaka Surya is exalted in Mesha along with Budha but is 6th from

Lagna and 5th from Guru.In D-7 chart, Lagna is Simha and 5th is

occupied by Chandra indicating a female child as first issue.At

present rahu Dasa- Shukra's Antara running and both are in

Shashtashtaka to each other.but from Guru ® ,Shukra is in 7th.So

Guru will try to help you.The time of copulation was during Surya's

Pratyantara and Surya is in 5th from Guru ® and is in 11th from

Shukra the Antara Lord.So by looking into these,I can tell you that

there is a possibility of a female child .But I have a doubt as both

Guru ® and its nakshatra dispositor Shukra both are in Dwiswabhava

Rasi,there may be possibilty of twin children.

Now let me come to Adhana Lagna.Adhana Lagna is Mesha and 4th is

occupied by exalted Guru.5th is again occupied by Chandra.agna lord

Kuja is in 11th but in a enemical house.5th lord Surya is in 3rd but

afflicted by Shani and Shukra who are his enemies.Surya is also in

the Nakshatra of Aridra ruled by Rahu and and Rahu is in 2nd house

exalted.Now let me come to Navamsha chart.Surya is in Meena Rasi

which is going to be exalted,Chandra is in his own house,Kuja is

exalted,Shukra is in Vrischika Navamsha.Now eventhough Kuja is

exalted Shani is also there.Now in Brihat Jataka of Varaha Mihira,he

says Garbhadana is done by Surya,Chandra,Kuja and Shukra.He also

says during Garbhadana time,if these planets are in Swa navamsha

ie.,in their own house ( Not Vargothama ),then there will be

garbhadana.In your case, Surya is going to be exalted and so it is

powerful,Chandra in his own Navamsha,Kuja is exalted but Shukra is

in Vrischika navamsha .So in this case actually Kuja is afflicted by

Shani ,so 6th month will be critical for the pregnancy.Worshipping

of Godess Durga will help in reducing the evil effects.Also the

afflicting planet is Shani,chanting of Sri Vishnu Sahasra naama

Stotra daily will be of great help.

I also Pray Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari to Bless you with

a child.

With Sri Bhuvaneshwari Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

vedic astrology, Vishnu Jandhyala

<jvk1305> wrote:

> Dear Mr.Hari,

>

> Good question!

>

> Prof.Sastry in his book has defined Adhana as the time

> of coitus/union and i have also seen the same

> definition by Sri Iranganti Rangacharya(Jaimini

> Sutramritam). I have simply followed them(winks!)

>

> I have pasted the adhana chart followed by mine below

> for the convenience of others.

>

> thanks

> Vishnu

>

Adhana Chart:-

>

> adhana

>

> Natal Chart

>

> July 4, 2003

> Time: 2:00:00 am

> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> Place: 89 W 24' 04", 43 N 04' 23"

> Madison, Wisconsin, USA

> Altitude: 863.00 meters

>

> Lunar Yr-Mo: Subhanu - Ashadha

> Tithi: Sukla Panchami (Ju) (49.48% left)

> Weekday: Thursday (Ju)

> Nakshatra: Makha (Ke) (9.38% left)

> Yoga: Siddhi (Ma)

> Karana: Balava (Mo)

> Hora Lord: Saturn (5 min sign: Cn)

> Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Cn)

> Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)

>

> Sunrise: 5:27:07 am (July 3)

> Sunset: 8:36:04 pm (July 3)

> Janma Ghatis: 51.3702

>

> Ayanamsa: 23-54-06.87

> Sidereal Time: 19:49:55

>

> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi

> Navamsa

>

> Lagna 22 Ar 19' 32.00" Bhar 3 Ar Li

> Sun - BK 18 Ge 01' 16.00" Ardr 4 Ge Pi

> Moon - PK 12 Le 04' 58.94" Makh 4 Le Cn

> Mars - PiK 12 Aq 20' 21.74" Sata 2 Aq Cp

> Mercury - MK 16 Ge 38' 28.05" Ardr 3 Ge Aq

> Jupiter - AmK 24 Cn 40' 53.94" Asre 3 Cn Aq

> Venus - DK 5 Ge 34' 03.11" Mrig 4 Ge Sc

> Saturn - GK 10 Ge 00' 40.47" Ardr 2 Ge Cp

> Rahu - AK 3 Ta 22' 08.55" Krit 3 Ta Aq

> Ketu 3 Sc 22' 08.55" Anu 1 Sc Le

> Maandi 6 Ta 16' 34.47" Krit 3 Ta Aq

> Gulika 25 Ar 17' 16.21" Bhar 4 Ar Sc

> Bhava Lagna 25 Ar 25' 32.67" Bhar 4 Ar Sc

> Hora Lagna 3 Pi 38' 48.47" UBha 1 Pi Le

> Ghati Lagna 28 Vi 18' 35.84" Chit 2 Vi Vi

> Vighati Lagna 1 Le 37' 32.70" Makh 1 Le Ar

> Varnada Lagna 4 Ar 01' 39.54" Aswi 2 Ar Ta

> Sree Lagna 18 Pi 34' 03.37" Reva 1 Pi Sg

> Dhooma 1 Sc 21' 16.00" Visa 4 Sc Cn

> Vyatipata 28 Le 38' 44.00" UPha 1 Le Sg

> Parivesha 28 Aq 38' 44.00" PBha 3 Aq Ge

> Indra Chapa 1 Ta 21' 16.00" Krit 2 Ta Cp

> Upaketu 18 Ta 01' 16.00" Rohi 3 Ta Ge

> Kaala 10 Ge 42' 51.87" Ardr 2 Ge Cp

> Mrityu 18 Cp 04' 38.95" Srav 3 Cp Ge

> Artha Prahara 14 Aq 22' 41.26" Sata 3 Aq Aq

> Yama Ghantaka 14 Pi 28' 11.87" UBha 4 Pi Sc

>

> +--------------+

> | | | |Ve Sa |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Ma | |Ju |

> | | | |

> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> | | |Mo |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |AL |Ke | |GL |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> +--------------+

> |Su | | | |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Me Ju | |Mo |

> |Ra Md | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------| Navamsa |-----------|

> |Ma Sa | |Ke HL |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |AL |Ve Gk |As |GL |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

My chart:-

>

> vishnu

>

> Natal Chart

>

> May 13, 1972

> Time: 7:40:00 pm

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 78 E 28' 00", 17 N 23' 00"

> Hyderabad, India

> Altitude: 0.00 meters

>

> Lunar Yr-Mo: Paridhavi - Nija Vaisakha

> Tithi: Sukla Pratipat (Su) (50.30% left)

> Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> Nakshatra: Krittika (Su) (34.53% left)

> Yoga: Sobhana (Su)

> Karana: Kimstughna (Su)

> Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Ta)

> Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Sc)

> Kaala Lord: Jupiter (Mahakala: Jupiter)

>

> Sunrise: 5:47:37 am

> Sunset: 6:37:40 pm

> Janma Ghatis: 34.6830

>

> Ayanamsa: 23-28-30.73

> Sidereal Time: 10:49:35

>

> +--------------+

> | | | |HL |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> | | |Ke |

> | | | |

> |-----------| Rasi |-----------|

> |Ra Md | | |

> |AL | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |JuR Gk |As | | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> +--------------+

> |Md | |Sa HL |Me |

> | | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Mo Ra | | |

> | | | |

> |-----------| Navamsa |-----------|

> |AL | |JuR Ke |

> | | | |

> |-----------+-----------------------+-----------|

> |Su Ma |As | | |

> |Ve GL | | | |

> |Gk | | | |

> | | | | |

> +--------------+

>

> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

>

> Sun Sun 1968-06-09 Moo 1968-09-26 Mar 1969-03-28

> Rah 1969-08-03 Jup 1970-06-27 Sat 1971-04-16

> Mer 1972-03-28 Ket 1973-02-01 Ven 1973-06-09

> Moo Moo 1974-06-09 Mar 1975-04-10 Rah 1975-11-09

> Jup 1977-05-09 Sat 1978-09-08 Mer 1980-04-09

> Ket 1981-09-08 Ven 1982-04-09 Sun 1983-12-09

> Mar Mar 1984-06-09 Rah 1984-11-05 Jup 1985-11-23

> Sat 1986-10-30 Mer 1987-12-09 Ket 1988-12-05

> Ven 1989-05-03 Sun 1990-07-03 Moo 1990-11-08

> Rah Rah 1991-06-09 Jup 1994-02-19 Sat 1996-07-15

> Mer 1999-05-22 Ket 2001-12-08 Ven 2002-12-27

> Sun 2005-12-27 Moo 2006-11-20 Mar 2008-05-21

> Jup Jup 2009-06-09 Sat 2011-07-28 Mer 2014-02-07

> Ket 2016-05-15 Ven 2017-04-21 Sun 2019-12-21

> Moo 2020-10-08 Mar 2022-02-07 Rah 2023-01-14

> Sat Sat 2025-06-09 Mer 2028-06-11 Ket 2031-02-19

> Ven 2032-03-30 Sun 2035-05-31 Moo 2036-05-12

> Mar 2037-12-11 Rah 2039-01-20 Jup 2041-11-26

> Mer Mer 2044-06-08 Ket 2046-11-05 Ven 2047-11-02

> Sun 2050-09-02 Moo 2051-07-09 Mar 2052-12-08

> Rah 2053-12-05 Jup 2056-06-23 Sat 2058-09-29

> Ket Ket 2061-06-08 Ven 2061-11-04 Sun 2063-01-04

> Moo 2063-05-12 Mar 2063-12-11 Rah 2064-05-09

> Jup 2065-05-27 Sat 2066-05-03 Mer 2067-06-12

> Ven Ven 2068-06-08 Sun 2071-10-08 Moo 2072-10-08

> Mar 2074-06-08 Rah 2075-08-09 Jup 2078-08-08

> Sat 2081-04-08 Mer 2084-06-08 Ket 2087-04-09

>

--- onlyhari <onlyhari> wrote:

> > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

> >

> > Dear Vishnu,

> >

> > Thats an excellent suggestion and I also hope that

> > the Gurus/learned

> > members would share this input on (garb)adhana lagna

> > which is

> > supposed to be the most accurate of all the three

> > lagnas.

> >

> > Obviously, I wont ask you how you got the adhana

> > lagna for yourself

> > (smile) but I am rather curious to know your

> > definition for the same

> > because the time of conjugal union and the time of

> > fertilization of

> > the ovum by the spermatozoa can be different,

> > differing in margin by

> > as much as 7 days.

> >

> > Another suggestion: many members use web access; so

> > can you please

> > repost the two jhd charts in text format directly

> > inside the mail?

> >

> > regards

> > Hari

> >

> > vedic astrology, Vishnu

> > Jandhyala

> > <jvk1305> wrote:

> > > Dear friends,

> > >

> > > I have gone through as many books as i could get

> > my

> > > hand on but to my surprise i came across only one

> > book

> > > in which Adhana(conception) was discussed and that

> > too

> > > a case that was recorded in the 1840's(Jaimini

> > Sutra

> > > by Prof.P.S.Sastry). I am attaching my horoscope

> > and

> > > the Adhana chart that maybe off by 5

> > minutes(either

> > > way).

> > >

> > > I thought it would be nice learning experience

> > for me

> > > and others as well, if the learned gurus can shed

> > some

> > > light on this hardly spoken topic.

> > >

> > > Hoping to see some excellent analysis from Sri

> > > Narasimha garu and Sri Ramdasa Rao as is expected

> > from

> > > them.

> > >

> > > warm regards,

> > >

> > > Vishnu

> > >

> > > The New with improved product

> > search

> > >

> >

>

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October 15, 2003

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Shri Ramadas,

I guess the combination of Vishnu and Hari is too irresistable!

(smile).

regards

Hari

> Dear Vishnu,

> Finally Hari has put on my head.( Smile ).

October 16, 2003

OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

Dear Hari,

(Smile).Hari Sarvothama.

With Sri Naarayana Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari>

wrote:

> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>

> Dear Shri Ramadas,

>

> I guess the combination of Vishnu and Hari is too irresistable!

> (smile).

>

> regards

> Hari

>

> > Dear Vishnu,

> > Finally Hari has put on my head.( Smile ).

October 16, 2003

Dear Sanjay Rath,

Hare Rama Krsna!

How then can we calculate the fortunes of the pregnancy if we have to

calculate from time of fertilisation which is in no way possible to

determine by ordinary means? One cannot put a clock timing on

fertilisation, however to time the coitus is possible. It doesn't make

sense to me, to accept adhana lagna as time of fertilisation, and

calculate the pregnancy from there, unless you give us a method to

determine astrologically at what time fertilisation will take place given

the timing of coitus. See the logic: if coitus doesn't take place, then

there will be no chance of a pregnancy, thus coitus is the direct cause of

pregnancy and the time of coitus is taken for determining the fortunes of

pregnancy, and to determine the possible birth time. How else will we see

adhana lagna?

>The words Nisheka and adhana have been used loosely in the context

>mentioned. Nisheka is the time of union and adhana is the time of

>fertilisation of the ovum or the start of pregnancy.

>As you said, the times can be different and to this I fully agree as it

>is an established scientific fact. By using Nisheka for adhana

>calculations, the late Santanam has perhaps, overlooked this vital fact.

It looks like a similar controversial point like what is actually the time

of birth. May Jupiter enlighten us.

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotisha

http://www.radhadesh.com

October 16, 2003

||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

Dear Shri Chandrasekhar,

My apologies for the mistake; I had mixed up with time for ovulation

and time of release into fallopian tubes which can be upto 7 days. I

did an internet search and found that sperm can survive for upto 6

hours (depending on rate of dehydration) outside the human body and

upto 48 hours inside the human body.

Dear Shri Dhira Krsna,

Interesting posts by you on this topic. Thanks. In Satya Jataka,

three reference times are mentioned for calculating the birth lagna.

Now my question is why did the sages mention these times? If they

were not important, they would not have bothered to dictate it in

the best interests of brevity. Moreover Satyacharya says that "in

the absence of information concerning the first two times, the third

time may be taken for calculating the birth lagna". That means, in

terms of accuracy, there is an order and if the adhana lagna is

known, what is the need to predict childbirth? That is, the child is

already born! As Sanjay and Chandrasekhar have pointed out, there is

a need for clarifying the semantics of nisheka and adhana.

I dont buy your logic that there has to be conception following

after conjugal union. If that were the case, we would be assured of

a 100% strike rate each time we have coitus! When does the atman

(soul) reincarnate? Does the atman enter the womb at the time of

conjugal union or at the time of fertilization of the egg? These are

the questions to be resolved.

regards

Hari

October 17, 2003

Dear Hari,

If I may extend you logic, does every successful

fertilisation lead to child birth? Obviously, not.

This topic can get murkier as you dig deep into it, no

wonder, its hardly discussed.

Just as death is end of life........birth is the end

of adhana. I would like to believe that adhana chart

is used for predicting the course of pregnancy until

birth.

You are right when you say not every conjugal union

lead to fertilisation, but if you refer to Sri

Ramadasa Rao's post where he has quoted the Brihat

Jataka....there must also be conditions in the adhana

chart to develop into a full pregnancy just as there

must be conditions in a birth chart for sustenance.

warm regards,

Vishnu

--- onlyhari <onlyhari wrote:

> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>

> Dear Shri Chandrasekhar,

>

> My apologies for the mistake; I had mixed up with

> time for ovulation

> and time of release into fallopian tubes which can

> be upto 7 days. I

> did an internet search and found that sperm can

> survive for upto 6

> hours (depending on rate of dehydration) outside the

> human body and

> upto 48 hours inside the human body.

>

> Dear Shri Dhira Krsna,

>

> Interesting posts by you on this topic. Thanks. In

> Satya Jataka,

> three reference times are mentioned for calculating

> the birth lagna.

> Now my question is why did the sages mention these

> times? If they

> were not important, they would not have bothered to

> dictate it in

> the best interests of brevity. Moreover Satyacharya

> says that "in

> the absence of information concerning the first two

> times, the third

> time may be taken for calculating the birth lagna".

> That means, in

> terms of accuracy, there is an order and if the

> adhana lagna is

> known, what is the need to predict childbirth? That

> is, the child is

> already born! As Sanjay and Chandrasekhar have

> pointed out, there is

> a need for clarifying the semantics of nisheka and

> adhana.

>

> I dont buy your logic that there has to be

> conception following

> after conjugal union. If that were the case, we

> would be assured of

> a 100% strike rate each time we have coitus! When

> does the atman

> (soul) reincarnate? Does the atman enter the womb at

> the time of

> conjugal union or at the time of fertilization of

> the egg? These are

> the questions to be resolved.

>

> regards

> Hari

>

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Dear Krsna Dasa & Ramadasa Rao,

> Vishnu, have you taken the time of adhana lagna

> accurately, that means

> exactly the time the semen falls into the womb?

Yes, although the time could be off by 5 minutes

either way!

There are no indications of twins yet, although they

run through our family.

The ultrasound revealed some strange growth(a band of

tissue) which the doctors have not been able to

identify(other than the baby).

Chaturthi crossed my mind but with Simha

Lagna(Leo).......i am expecting Simha

Lagna(Leo).......with Moon in Leo as well.....i.e,

Chaturdasi/April 1st.

Let us see how things evolve.

warm regards,

Vishnu

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om sarvamohinyai vidmahe viçvajananiyai dhémahi

tÚ> zi´ àcaedyat!,

tannaù çakti pracodayät|Dear Vishnu,

Yes,Let us wait but as I said 6th month may be little troublesome and so follow

the remedial measures I wrote before.

With Sri bhuvaneshwari Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.Vishnu Jandhyala <jvk1305 > wrote:

Dear Krsna Dasa & Ramadasa Rao,> Vishnu, have you taken the time of adhana

lagna> accurately, that means> exactly the time the semen falls into the

womb?Yes, although the time could be off by 5 minuteseither way!There are no

indications of twins yet, although theyrun through our family.The ultrasound

revealed some strange growth(a band oftissue) which the doctors have not been

able toidentify(other than the baby).Chaturthi crossed my mind but with

SimhaLagna(Leo).......i am expecting SimhaLagna(Leo).......with Moon in Leo as

well.....i.e,Chaturdasi/April 1st.Let us see how things evolve.warm

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om sarvamohinyai vidmahe viçvajananiyai dhémahi

tÚ> zi´ àcaedyat!,

tannaù çakti pracodayät|Dear Hari and Vishnu,

Here is firther supporting Shlokas from Varaha mihira's Brihat Jataka ;

kill"na<k…raiSw cmaRNgjcetmta>,

kalilaghanäìkurästhi carmängajacetamatäù|

istk…jsUyRc<ÔaikRbuxa>prt>.

sitakujasüryacandrärkibudhäùparataù||

%dypcNÔsUyRnawa>,

udayapacandrasüryanäthäù|

³mzaegixtaÉviNt zuÉa zuÉNc masaixpteSsÔ‚z<.

kramaçogadhitäbhavanti çubhä çubhanca mäsädhipatessadruçaà||

Here Varaha Mihiracharya tells about the lordship of the planets for 9 months of pregnancy.

In the 1st month,there is only some formation of Pinda or irregular shape is

ruled by Shukra,2nd month,it becomes hard and is controlled by Kuja,in the 3rd

month,body parts will grow and this is lorded by Guru,the 4th month ,bones will

grom and is lorded by Surya.In the 5th month,skin will form and this is lorded

by Chandra,the 6th month,hairs and other body parts will form and movement

inside Garbha Kosha or Uterus will start and this is controlled by SHANI,in the

7th month, the organs connected to Jnaana or knowledge ie., central nervous

system inside brain will grow and this is lorded by Budha,in the 8th,it is

controlled by garbha Lagnadhipathy,9th month is controlled by Chandra and

finally the

10th month or delivery period is controlled by Surya.Here again the reason for

the lordships for 8th,9th and 10th months are given in Lagna Chandrika and as

per that during 8th month,the child inside mother's Garbha Kosha will get the

food from mother through a channel or Naala.Also there will be blood

circulation between mother and child through this Naala or channel and for this

Garbha Lagnadhipaty is responsible and it says it ill be difficult to find out

this lordship unless we know the Garbhadhana timing.In the 9th month,mother

gets sensation of delivery and this is lorded by Chandra and finally in the

10th month ie., 9 days after completion of 9th month delivery takes place and

this is lorded by Surya.

I hope this helps you.

With Sri Bhuvaneshwari Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

Vishnu Jandhyala <jvk1305 > wrote:

Dear Hari,If I may extend you logic, does every successfulfertilisation lead to

child birth? Obviously, not.This topic can get murkier as you dig deep into it,

nowonder, its hardly discussed.Just as death is end of life........birth is the

endof adhana. I would like to believe that adhana chartis used for predicting

the course of pregnancy untilbirth.You are right when you say not every

conjugal unionlead to fertilisation, but if you refer to SriRamadasa Rao's post

where he has quoted the BrihatJataka....there must also be conditions in the

adhanachart to develop into a full pregnancy just as theremust be conditions in

a birth chart for sustenance. warm regards,Vishnu--- onlyhari

<onlyhari > wrote:> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||> > Dear Shri

Chandrasekhar,> > My apologies for the mistake; I had mixed up with> time for

ovulation > and time of release into fallopian tubes which can> be upto 7 days.

I > did an internet search and found that sperm can> survive for upto 6 > hours

(depending on rate of dehydration) outside the> human body and > upto 48 hours

inside the human body.> > Dear Shri Dhira Krsna,> > Interesting posts by you on

this topic. Thanks. In> Satya Jataka, > three reference times are mentioned for

calculating> the birth lagna. > Now my question is why did the sages mention

these> times? If they > were not important, they would not have bothered to>

dictate it in > the best interests of brevity. Moreover Satyacharya> says that

"in > the absence of information concerning the first two> times, the third >

time may be taken for

calculating the birth lagna".> That means, in > terms of accuracy, there is an

order and if the> adhana lagna is > known, what is the need to predict

childbirth? That> is, the child is > already born! As Sanjay and Chandrasekhar

have> pointed out, there is > a need for clarifying the semantics of nisheka

and> adhana.> > I dont buy your logic that there has to be> conception

following > after conjugal union. If that were the case, we> would be assured

of > a 100% strike rate each time we have coitus! When> does the atman > (soul)

reincarnate? Does the atman enter the womb at> the time of > conjugal union or

at the time of fertilization of> the egg? These are > the questions to be

resolved. > > regards> Hari> > Do you

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|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Hari,

You said

When does the atman (soul) reincarnate? Does the atman enter the womb at

the time of conjugal union or at the time of fertilization of the egg?

However what bothers me is more basic and fundamental to this.

We know that sperm lives and dies, ovum lives and dies. If that's true,

probably they have an Atma when they are living. Was their two Atma in

them or one! If we apply logic, we say two. What happens when they

unite? One of the atma goes where? When does the atma of the child comes

to the fertilised egg? Gurudev says that the atma (Sun) is contributed

by father (Sun - through sperm), whereas the body (Moon) is contributed

by Mother (Moon- through Egg). If this is so then only sperm contains

Atma and Egg doesnot. If egg does not contain atma, it should be dead!

Hmm... we are stuck...

But, bottomline is that how do we say what contains atma and what

doesnot!

Best Wishes

Sarajit

onlyhari [onlyhari]

Friday, October 17, 2003 11:19 AM

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