Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Dear Sushmita, My answers are given below. Best regards, Garamond;color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Sarbani mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Garamond"> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> sushmita34 [sushmita34 ] Tuesday, May 13, 2003 2:12 PM To: vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Fasting on UL days 12.0pt"> Dear Learned Sarbani, color:black"> Very nice of you to answer it with so much of depth. The concepts become so clearer. If, I can venture to ask something a bit complicated for me, they say one has to take UL as a serious relationship lasting one year and then count the number of relationships with the next UL being shifted to the 8th from the present one. color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:navy">Sarbani: UL represents spouse. In the modern context, however, people may have had serious relationships with commitments, which may not have materialized into a marriage in the legal sense because of extraneous factors. Such committed relationships, with marriage in mind, and which have lasted at least for a year, are to be considered as Upapadas. Otherwise, please consider them as Darapadas. Darapadas will include flings, brief affairs, casual dating, one-night stands, affairs which are purely motivated by a sexual attraction etc. Those who have had multiple Upapadas, whether in terms of relationships or marriages, will have to count that many Upapadas. For example, if your UL is in Cancer, then the 2nd UL representing the 2nd spouse/relationship will be the 8th from the first one. In this case it will be Aquarius. The third spouse/relationship will be the 8th sign from Aquarius, that is Virgo. And so on. "Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> "Courier New""> 1. In case of a person who has had some serious relationships and now "Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> wants to pursue marriage or giving, should it be advised to fast on the original UL in the Rasi Chart or do we have to calculate the current UL. color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:navy">Sarbani: Fasting is always done on the day of the original UL in the rashi chart, irrespective of the number of relationships or marriages you may have had. "Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt: windowtext"> color:black"> 2. What should be done in the case of Samdhi Lagna's. "Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> "Courier New""> "Courier New"">Sarbani: What is Samdhi Lagna? The lagna of the spouse/fiancé? If so, they will fast on the day of their UL according to their chart. color:black"> 3. On another thought, since Navamsa refers to inherent strengths and also the spouse, would it be more advisable to fast on the UL lords day of the D9 chart. This is in case of girl/boy wanting marriage. "Courier New";color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> "Courier New""> mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">Sarbani: No, fasting is always done on the UL of the rashi chart. Its true that Navamsa represents your spouse, but the fasting has to be done for your own karma, your own betterment…in all aspects of your life…it is a deed that you have to perform. Don’t entangle it with the karma of your spouse. For his karma , he will have to fast on his UL day as per his rashi chart. color:black"> My sincere thanks to you and Kanu priya and others for answering my queries, I hope Guru Sanjay answers on those few remaining questions which Kanu Priya preferred not to reply . Warm regards, Sushmita vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Sushmita, > > The presence of benefics will ease the suffering considerably. Jupiter's > placement in the 12th is considered one of the best positions for the Deva > Guru, as Jupiter represents Vishnu. Posited in Vishnusthana, it is > considered ideal, as it would receive the offering of fasting. The effects > of 'giving' will be duly felt and the fruits of the fasting and sacrifice > will be reaped. Malefics will ensure that you have to give that much more; > that you will have to strive that much harder, expect frustrations, futility > and delays. In the case of the presence of malefics, make sure you keep > stringent, regular fasts followed by the annadana as discussed in the other > mails. Fruits may be reaped after prolonged periods of sacrifice and giving, > dependant upon the degree of maleficance. Mixed planets will give mixed > results, and all of them subject to the normal astrological parameters of > aspects etc. > > If you keep the basic philosophy of Gaunapada in mind then all confusion > regarding whether or not to fast on the lord of AL's day or "what happens > when AL and UL are together, the lords are the same" kind of arguments, will > dispel in a moment. Gaunapada fasting is a necessity for everybody whether > they are unmarried, married or a parivrajak, as it will hasten the process > of giving which is a must for all souls, as we are born for that very > purpose. The giving should be complete, like surrender, like a flowing > stream, and not painful, like the thought of 'giving up' something. The more > we give, the smoother our life is in all its aspects. For those unmarried, > Gaunapada also brings about marriage as marriage provides another karmic > area for us to 'give'. As I mentioned earlier marriage is not about > physicality but a commitment to give. Otherwise, we would have simply taken > the Arudhapada of the seventh house. Darapada does not denote giving; it > merely pertains to the realities of the physical level. The Arudhapada of > the 12th house denotes giving. As the Gaunapada is only about that, and that > is all that is "gauna' or matters. Sun is the greatest giver, and that is > why the Sun is never malefic for Upapada ("naatra ravih paapa" - Jaimini) > Those with AL and UL together are fortunate, as they have found the spouse > with whom they are one in body, mind and soul. Sri Rama had AL and UL > together. In such situations, giving becomes that much easier, smoother. If > Darapada is conjoined, then it implies that the lover and the spouse are the > same, or that the Darapada converted to Upapada. In both cases, they denote > one person, and hence signify commitment and are ideal situations. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > Sushmita S [sushmita34] > Monday, May 12, 2003 12:08 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Fasting on UL days > > Dear Sarbani, > Thanks a lot for the illuminating knowledge on Gaunapada, it just makes more > sense to me. > On the part wherein you said that a benefic in the 12th house removes all > the curses in a chart, now what if there is a benefic and a malefic > (naisargika) in the 12th house or say that there is a benefic in 12th but > receives drishti of a malefic. > Will this still remove the curses in a chart. > thanks for your reply, > Warm regards, > > Sushmita > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> , "Sarbani Sarkar" < sarbani@s > <sarbani@s> ...> wrote: > > Dear Sushmita and list, > > > > I would just like to add one more point to the discussion. The Arudhapada > of > > the 12th house is known variously as Vyayapada, Upapada and Gaunapada. In > > its highest sense, it is Gaunapada, (gauna meaning that which matters) and > > in its lowest sense, it is Vyayapada (deriving from vyaya bhava) meaning > > expenditure. Gaunapada means giving in the most complete sense when the > > expenditure actually becomes an investment. Marriage/spouse is just one > > aspect of giving where Gaunapada is concerned, implying Upapada is but > just > > a part of it. When you fast on the Gaunapada day, you are striving to make > > your life better in all its aspects, of which your marriage/spouse is just > a > > part, albeit an important one. Vishnu sits in the 12th house receiving all > > that you offer; the more you give, the more He receives, and greater are > the > > blessings that shall be bestowed upon you. All one's sacrifices, 'giving', > > worships, mantras are received by Vishnu in the 12th house. Hence, a > benefic > > in the 12th house causes shubhayoga on the lagna, removing all its curses. > > Upapada thus has nothing to do with physicality but is a commitment, to > > 'dedicate' (arpan), to 'give' to the spouse. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > _____ > > > The New Search > <http://us.rd./search/mailsig/*http://search.> - Faster. > Easier. Bingo. > > > Sponsor > > > > Choose your car now! > - Make - Acura AM General Aston Martin Audi Bentley BMW Buick Cadillac > Chevrolet Chevrolet Truck Chrysler Daewoo Dodge Dodge Truck Ferrari Ford > Ford Truck GMC GMC Truck Honda Hyundai Infiniti Isuzu Jaguar Jeep Kia > Lamborghini Land Rover Lexus Lincoln Lotus Mazda Mazda Truck Mercedes-Benz > Mercury Mitsubishi Nissan Nissan Truck Oldsmobile Plymouth Pontiac Porsche > Rolls-Royce Saab Saturn Subaru Suzuki Toyota Toyota Truck Volkswagen Volvo > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Dear Sarbani, Thank you once again for replying. My confusion on Nav UL fasting was as, D9 represents one's inherent strength, so I was under the thought that UL fasting of that might bring in more deeper/inner results. Thanks for removing that non- productive thought. Samdhi Lagna, maybe I misspelled it, well how can I say, Border Lagna, when the lagna degrees are just on the border or the sign has just changed. Some say that for correct analysis one should consider both lagna and try analysing the chart, so I was thinking then in that case the UL would change and one might have two ULs, so what should one do then. I read Guru Sanjay's article on marriage and since this topic is in one way related to it so I might venture into another query. "Bhagwan Vishnu sits in the ninth house of Dharma and worshipping him with the Astakshari mantra "OM NAMO NARAYANAYA" or meditating with the mantra " OM TAT SAT" is the best remedy." So can anyone married or unmarried recite this mantra for good marriage life, does the Pronunciation have to be perfect, is it one of those mantras as PVRs mail said self correcting mantra in terms of Pronunciation, I mean after many repititions one would get it correct surely. Thanks Mr. Shailesh for the other mail. Warm regards, Sushmita vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Dear Sushmita, > > My answers are given below. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > sushmita34 [sushmita34] > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 2:12 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Fasting on UL days > > Dear Learned Sarbani, > > Very nice of you to answer it with so much of depth. The concepts > become so clearer. > > If, I can venture to ask something a bit complicated for me, they say > one has to take UL as a serious relationship lasting one year and > then count the number of relationships with the next UL being shifted > to the 8th from the present one. > > > Sarbani: UL represents spouse. In the modern context, however, people may > have had serious relationships with commitments, which may not have > materialized into a marriage in the legal sense because of extraneous > factors. Such committed relationships, with marriage in mind, and which have > lasted at least for a year, are to be considered as Upapadas. Otherwise, > please consider them as Darapadas. Darapadas will include flings, brief > affairs, casual dating, one-night stands, affairs which are purely motivated > by a sexual attraction etc. Those who have had multiple Upapadas, whether in > terms of relationships or marriages, will have to count that many Upapadas. > For example, if your UL is in Cancer, then the 2nd UL representing the 2nd > spouse/relationship will be the 8th from the first one. In this case it will > be Aquarius. The third spouse/relationship will be the 8th sign from > Aquarius, that is Virgo. And so on. > > > > 1. In case of a person who has had some serious relationships and now > wants to pursue marriage or giving, should it be advised to fast on > the original UL in the Rasi Chart or do we have to calculate the > current UL. > > > Sarbani: Fasting is always done on the day of the original UL in the rashi > chart, irrespective of the number of relationships or marriages you may have > had. > > 2. What should be done in the case of Samdhi Lagna's. > > Sarbani: What is Samdhi Lagna? The lagna of the spouse/fiancé? If so, they > will fast on the day of their UL according to their chart. > > > 3. On another thought, since Navamsa refers to inherent strengths and > also the spouse, would it be more advisable to fast on the UL lords > day of the D9 chart. This is in case of girl/boy wanting marriage. > > Sarbani: No, fasting is always done on the UL of the rashi chart. Its true > that Navamsa represents your spouse, but the fasting has to be done for your > own karma, your own betterment…in all aspects of your life…it is a deed that > you have to perform. Don't entangle it with the karma of your spouse. For > his karma , he will have to fast on his UL day as per his rashi chart. > > > My sincere thanks to you and Kanu priya and others for answering my > queries, I hope Guru Sanjay answers on those few remaining questions > which Kanu Priya preferred not to reply . > > Warm regards, > > Sushmita > > vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar" > <sarbani@s...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Sushmita, > > > > The presence of benefics will ease the suffering considerably. > Jupiter's > > placement in the 12th is considered one of the best positions for > the Deva > > Guru, as Jupiter represents Vishnu. Posited in Vishnusthana, it is > > considered ideal, as it would receive the offering of fasting. The > effects > > of 'giving' will be duly felt and the fruits of the fasting and > sacrifice > > will be reaped. Malefics will ensure that you have to give that > much more; > > that you will have to strive that much harder, expect frustrations, > futility > > and delays. In the case of the presence of malefics, make sure you > keep > > stringent, regular fasts followed by the annadana as discussed in > the other > > mails. Fruits may be reaped after prolonged periods of sacrifice > and giving, > > dependant upon the degree of maleficance. Mixed planets will give > mixed > > results, and all of them subject to the normal astrological > parameters of > > aspects etc. > > > > If you keep the basic philosophy of Gaunapada in mind then all > confusion > > regarding whether or not to fast on the lord of AL's day or "what > happens > > when AL and UL are together, the lords are the same" kind of > arguments, will > > dispel in a moment. Gaunapada fasting is a necessity for everybody > whether > > they are unmarried, married or a parivrajak, as it will hasten the > process > > of giving which is a must for all souls, as we are born for that > very > > purpose. The giving should be complete, like surrender, like a > flowing > > stream, and not painful, like the thought of 'giving up' something. > The more > > we give, the smoother our life is in all its aspects. For those > unmarried, > > Gaunapada also brings about marriage as marriage provides another > karmic > > area for us to 'give'. As I mentioned earlier marriage is not about > > physicality but a commitment to give. Otherwise, we would have > simply taken > > the Arudhapada of the seventh house. Darapada does not denote > giving; it > > merely pertains to the realities of the physical level. The > Arudhapada of > > the 12th house denotes giving. As the Gaunapada is only about that, > and that > > is all that is "gauna' or matters. Sun is the greatest giver, and > that is > > why the Sun is never malefic for Upapada ("naatra ravih paapa" - > Jaimini) > > Those with AL and UL together are fortunate, as they have found the > spouse > > with whom they are one in body, mind and soul. Sri Rama had AL and > UL > > together. In such situations, giving becomes that much easier, > smoother. If > > Darapada is conjoined, then it implies that the lover and the > spouse are the > > same, or that the Darapada converted to Upapada. In both cases, > they denote > > one person, and hence signify commitment and are ideal situations. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > Sushmita S [sushmita34] > > Monday, May 12, 2003 12:08 PM > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: Fasting on UL days > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > Thanks a lot for the illuminating knowledge on Gaunapada, it just > makes more > > sense to me. > > On the part wherein you said that a benefic in the 12th house > removes all > > the curses in a chart, now what if there is a benefic and a malefic > > (naisargika) in the 12th house or say that there is a benefic in > 12th but > > receives drishti of a malefic. > > Will this still remove the curses in a chart. > > thanks for your reply, > > Warm regards, > > > > Sushmita > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology> , "Sarbani Sarkar" < > sarbani@s > > <sarbani@s> ...> wrote: > > > Dear Sushmita and list, > > > > > > I would just like to add one more point to the discussion. The > Arudhapada > > of > > > the 12th house is known variously as Vyayapada, Upapada and > Gaunapada. In > > > its highest sense, it is Gaunapada, (gauna meaning that which > matters) and > > > in its lowest sense, it is Vyayapada (deriving from vyaya bhava) > meaning > > > expenditure. Gaunapada means giving in the most complete sense > when the > > > expenditure actually becomes an investment. Marriage/spouse is > just one > > > aspect of giving where Gaunapada is concerned, implying Upapada > is but > > just > > > a part of it. When you fast on the Gaunapada day, you are > striving to make > > > your life better in all its aspects, of which your > marriage/spouse is just > > a > > > part, albeit an important one. Vishnu sits in the 12th house > receiving all > > > that you offer; the more you give, the more He receives, and > greater are > > the > > > blessings that shall be bestowed upon you. All one's > sacrifices, 'giving', > > > worships, mantras are received by Vishnu in the 12th house. > Hence, a > > benefic > > > in the 12th house causes shubhayoga on the lagna, removing all > its curses. > > > Upapada thus has nothing to do with physicality but is a > commitment, to > > > 'dedicate' (arpan), to 'give' to the spouse. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Sarbani > > > > > _____ > > > > > > The New Search > > < http://us.rd./search/mailsig/*http://search.> - > Faster. > > Easier. 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Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sushmita, My comments below. Best regards, Garamond;color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Sarbani mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Garamond"> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> sushmita34 [sushmita34 ] Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:29 PM To: vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re:Fasting on UL days 12.0pt"> Dear Sarbani, "Courier New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> Thank you once again for replying. My confusion on Nav UL fasting was as, D9 represents one's inherent strength, so I was under the thought that UL fasting of that might bring in more deeper/inner results. Thanks for removing that non- productive thought. Samdhi Lagna, maybe I misspelled it, well how can I say, Border Lagna, when the lagna degrees are just on the border or the sign has just changed. Some say that for correct analysis one should consider both lagna and try analysing the chart, so I was thinking then in that case the UL would change and one might have two ULs, so what should one do then. color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> "Courier New""> mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">Sarbani: Parasara speaks about Lagna Gandanta. There are three types of Gandantas, Tithi, Nakshatra and Lagna Gandanta. Lagna Gandanta occurs between the junction points of Pisces-Aries, Cancer-Leo and Scorpio-Sagittarius. The ending half ghati of the first sign and the beginning half ghati of the second sign comprise the gandanta zone. Apart from this you have rashi sandhis and bhava sandhis, which are junction points between two signs and two houses respectively. All three types of junctions, that is gandantas, rashi sandhis and bhava sandhis, give differing results. I have never heard of two ULs being seen for Lagna Gandanta natives. I have Lagna Gandanta myself, and no one has ever told me to see two ULs. Neither have I heard my jyotish guru speak about it. The only time you have two ULs is when your 12th house is Scorpio or Aquarius. Since these two signs have dual lordships, there are two ULs. yes"> color:black"> I read Guru Sanjay's article on marriage and since this topic is in one way related to it so I might venture into another query. "Bhagwan Vishnu sits in the ninth house of Dharma and worshipping him with the Astakshari mantra "OM NAMO NARAYANAYA" or meditating with the mantra " OM TAT SAT" is the best remedy." So can anyone married or unmarried recite this mantra for good marriage life, does the Pronunciation have to be perfect, is it one of those mantras as PVRs mail said self correcting mantra in terms of Pronunciation, I mean after many repititions one would get it correct surely. color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Courier New"">Sarbani: I think you should ask this question to Sanjayji directly, because this is stepping in a different direction. I think we should always strive to perfect our pronunciations. Being a Bengali I have atrocious Sanskrit pronunciation which will not be perfected even in the next three births, but that does not mean I do not try. The main thing is bhakti. If you have bhakti in your heart and sincerely seek God, he will surely listen to you. So whatever mantra you recite, ensure that it is chanted with pure devotion and simultaneously try to perfect your pronunciation. color:black"> Thanks Mr. Shailesh for the other mail. Warm regards, Sushmita vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Dear Sushmita, > > My answers are given below. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > sushmita34 [sushmita34] > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 2:12 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Fasting on UL days > > Dear Learned Sarbani, > > Very nice of you to answer it with so much of depth. The concepts > become so clearer. > > If, I can venture to ask something a bit complicated for me, they say > one has to take UL as a serious relationship lasting one year and > then count the number of relationships with the next UL being shifted > to the 8th from the present one. > > > Sarbani: UL represents spouse. In the modern context, however, people may > have had serious relationships with commitments, which may not have > materialized into a marriage in the legal sense because of extraneous > factors. Such committed relationships, with marriage in mind, and which have > lasted at least for a year, are to be considered as Upapadas. Otherwise, > please consider them as Darapadas. Darapadas will include flings, brief > affairs, casual dating, one-night stands, affairs which are purely motivated > by a sexual attraction etc. Those who have had multiple Upapadas, whether in > terms of relationships or marriages, will have to count that many Upapadas. > For example, if your UL is in Cancer, then the 2nd UL representing the 2nd > spouse/relationship will be the 8th from the first one. In this case it will > be Aquarius. The third spouse/relationship will be the 8th sign from > Aquarius, that is Virgo. And so on. > > > > 1. In case of a person who has had some serious relationships and now > wants to pursue marriage or giving, should it be advised to fast on > the original UL in the Rasi Chart or do we have to calculate the > current UL. > > > Sarbani: Fasting is always done on the day of the original UL in the rashi > chart, irrespective of the number of relationships or marriages you may have > had. > > 2. What should be done in the case of Samdhi Lagna's. > > Sarbani: What is Samdhi Lagna? The lagna of the spouse/fiancé? If so, they > will fast on the day of their UL according to their chart. > > > 3. On another thought, since Navamsa refers to inherent strengths and > also the spouse, would it be more advisable to fast on the UL lords > day of the D9 chart. This is in case of girl/boy wanting marriage. > > Sarbani: No, fasting is always done on the UL of the rashi chart. Its true > that Navamsa represents your spouse, but the fasting has to be done for your > own karma, your own betterment…in all aspects of your life…it is a deed that > you have to perform. Don't entangle it with the karma of your spouse. For > his karma , he will have to fast on his UL day as per his rashi chart. > > > My sincere thanks to you and Kanu priya and others for answering my > queries, I hope Guru Sanjay answers on those few remaining questions > which Kanu Priya preferred not to reply . > > Warm regards, > > Sushmita > > vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar" > <sarbani@s...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Sushmita, > > > > The presence of benefics will ease the suffering considerably. > Jupiter's > > placement in the 12th is considered one of the best positions for > the Deva > > Guru, as Jupiter represents Vishnu. Posited in Vishnusthana, it is > > considered ideal, as it would receive the offering of fasting. The > effects > > of 'giving' will be duly felt and the fruits of the fasting and > sacrifice > > will be reaped. Malefics will ensure that you have to give that > much more; > > that you will have to strive that much harder, expect frustrations, > futility > > and delays. In the case of the presence of malefics, make sure you > keep > > stringent, regular fasts followed by the annadana as discussed in > the other > > mails. Fruits may be reaped after prolonged periods of sacrifice > and giving, > > dependant upon the degree of maleficance. Mixed planets will give > mixed > > results, and all of them subject to the normal astrological > parameters of > > aspects etc. > > > > If you keep the basic philosophy of Gaunapada in mind then all > confusion > > regarding whether or not to fast on the lord of AL's day or "what > happens > > when AL and UL are together, the lords are the same" kind of > arguments, will > > dispel in a moment. Gaunapada fasting is a necessity for everybody > whether > > they are unmarried, married or a parivrajak, as it will hasten the > process > > of giving which is a must for all souls, as we are born for that > very > > purpose. The giving should be complete, like surrender, like a > flowing > > stream, and not painful, like the thought of 'giving up' something. > The more > > we give, the smoother our life is in all its aspects. For those > unmarried, > > Gaunapada also brings about marriage as marriage provides another > karmic > > area for us to 'give'. As I mentioned earlier marriage is not about > > physicality but a commitment to give. Otherwise, we would have > simply taken > > the Arudhapada of the seventh house. Darapada does not denote > giving; it > > merely pertains to the realities of the physical level. The > Arudhapada of > > the 12th house denotes giving. As the Gaunapada is only about that, > and that > > is all that is "gauna' or matters. Sun is the greatest giver, and > that is > > why the Sun is never malefic for Upapada ("naatra ravih paapa" - > Jaimini) > > Those with AL and UL together are fortunate, as they have found the > spouse > > with whom they are one in body, mind and soul. Sri Rama had AL and > UL > > together. In such situations, giving becomes that much easier, > smoother. If > > Darapada is conjoined, then it implies that the lover and the > spouse are the > > same, or that the Darapada converted to Upapada. In both cases, > they denote > > one person, and hence signify commitment and are ideal situations. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > Sushmita S [sushmita34] > > Monday, May 12, 2003 12:08 PM > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: Fasting on UL days > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > Thanks a lot for the illuminating knowledge on Gaunapada, it just > makes more > > sense to me. > > On the part wherein you said that a benefic in the 12th house > removes all > > the curses in a chart, now what if there is a benefic and a malefic > > (naisargika) in the 12th house or say that there is a benefic in > 12th but > > receives drishti of a malefic. > > Will this still remove the curses in a chart. > > thanks for your reply, > > Warm regards, > > > > Sushmita > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology> , "Sarbani Sarkar" < > sarbani@s > > <sarbani@s> ...> wrote: > > > Dear Sushmita and list, > > > > > > I would just like to add one more point to the discussion. The > Arudhapada > > of > > > the 12th house is known variously as Vyayapada, Upapada and > Gaunapada. In > > > its highest sense, it is Gaunapada, (gauna meaning that which > matters) and > > > in its lowest sense, it is Vyayapada (deriving from vyaya bhava) > meaning > > > expenditure. Gaunapada means giving in the most complete sense > when the > > > expenditure actually becomes an investment. Marriage/spouse is > just one > > > aspect of giving where Gaunapada is concerned, implying Upapada > is but > > just > > > a part of it. When you fast on the Gaunapada day, you are > striving to make > > > your life better in all its aspects, of which your > marriage/spouse is just > > a > > > part, albeit an important one. Vishnu sits in the 12th house > receiving all > > > that you offer; the more you give, the more He receives, and > greater are > > the > > > blessings that shall be bestowed upon you. All one's > sacrifices, 'giving', > > > worships, mantras are received by Vishnu in the 12th house. > Hence, a > > benefic > > > in the 12th house causes shubhayoga on the lagna, removing all > its curses. > > > Upapada thus has nothing to do with physicality but is a > commitment, to > > > 'dedicate' (arpan), to 'give' to the spouse. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Sarbani > > > > > _____ > > > > > > The New Search > > < http://us.rd./search/mailsig/*http://search.> - > Faster. > > Easier. 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Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Dear Sarbani, Was reading yr post and got a doubt. vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> wrote: > only time you have two ULs is when your 12th house is Scorpio or Aquarius. > Since these two signs have dual lordships, there are two ULs. My understanding was that for Sc/Aq we will take the stronger of the two lords and then find the UL. Although I have Saggi asc and have both Ke and Ma in the 11th and so the UL is 10th, but was wondering if they were placed in different houses then shud I have considered 2 ULs? Best Regards, Shiv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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