Guest guest Posted September 18, 2003 Report Share Posted September 18, 2003 I just checked my resources to be absolutely sure, and it is true that JU sees ME as an enemy, but ME traditionally sees JU as a neutral. Thus the Guru has to deal with the difficulties of the student, whereas the student must Choose to follow the Guru, and spiritual life...the long and winding road. Just a Note, Namaste- Ashwin kpkanitkar <kpkanitkar > wrote: Respected NarsimhajiThis post is really very good and informative and refines ones views to look at Mercury and Jupitor astrologically. As they are considered as bitter enemies towards each other still the concept behind Student Teacher relations really helps to learn astrology in a different way.Thank you very much for such a informative post.RegardsKPK--- In vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote:> Namaste Samarth,> > > From Jupiter .. Mercury in 1,4,7,10 = Poor> > From Jupiter .. Mercury in 3,5,8,11 = Medium> > From Jupiter .. Mercury in 2,6,9,12 = Excellent> > I want to add another perspective to this.> > Let us go back to Parasara's teachings and see which houses were defined as good houses for Mercury from Jupiter and which houses were defined as good houses for Jupiter from Mercury.> > Good houses for Mercury with respect to Jupiter are 6th, 8th, 11th and 12th houses.> Good houses for Jupiter with respect to Mercury are 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 9th, 10th and 11th.> > One may be surprised to find that 3 out of 4 benefic places for Mercury with respect to Jupiter are dusthanas. After all, a good student invariably causes a lot of trouble to his guru!> > Jupiter represents intellect (dhee) and Mercury represents scholarship and learning ability as per Parasara. Intellect and the spirit of learning are like guru and sishya.> > The 6th house is the middle house of artha trikona. It shows the activity of overcoming obstacles in the process of serving purpose (serving purpose is 10th). The purpose (artha) served by the intellect (Jupiter) is to finally guide the mind (Moon) and self (lagna). Mercury has no place in the final artha (10th house), but he figures in the intermediate stage of overcoming obstacles. One's spirit of learning and knowledge (Mercury) challenges (6th) one's intellect (Jupiter) and that helps intellect (Jupiter) serve its purpose!> > Just as a good sishya probes a guru and argues with him, one's learning ability probes and challenges one's intellect (and that is beneficial to the intellect).> > Learning ability (Mercury or student) is benefic when probing and serving (6th) or forcing contemplation/tapasya (8th) or giving gains to (11th - what are the desires of intellect? What are its gains? Think!) or receiving from (12th) intellect (Jupiter or teacher)! That is why they are the benefic places for Mercury with respect to Jupiter!> > OTOH, Jupiter (intellect or teacher) is best placed in 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 9th, 10th and 11th from Mercury. Why?> > Teacher benefits a student when with him (1st). Note that a teacher benefits a student merely by being with him, but a student does not benefit a teacher when he is merely with him. He benefits teacher only when engaged in 6th, 8th, 11th and 12th house activities of guru!> > Student (learning ability or Mercury) also benefits when teacher (intellect or Jupiter) is placed in 2nd (resources), 4th (learning/direction), 5th (abilities), 6th (probing/challenging), 9th (sense of dharma), 10th (karma) and 11th (gains). A teacher should stay with a student, be his resource, make him learn, impact his abilities, probe him, define his dharma and karma and result in the gain of knowledge.> > There is a lot of meaning hidden in ashtakavarga definition. Those numbers are not arbitrary. Numbers used in each ashtakavarga and for each planet have a clear meaning (that is intuitive!). The correct understanding will require> > (1) understanding what each house stands for - not in terms of a huge list of things, but in terms of a basic axiom of one thing per house> (2) understanding what each reference (lagna, Sun, Moon, Mars etc) stands for (perhaps using real life analogies like teacher and student)> (3) being able to derive the meaning of each house with respect to each reference> (4) understanding the interaction between various planets and things denoted by them (e.g. intellect and spirit of learning, intellect and mind, soul and mind, initiative and mind etc)> > I'll be covering all the above in detail and then covering Moon lagna and Sun lagna in greater detail, at this weekend's workshop at Edison, NJ.> > If you are interested and need more details, please contact Narayan Iyer at narayan@s... or naaraayana_iyer> > For info on all workshops, please go to> > vedic astrology> > and look for the file SJC_WW_2003_Schedule.doc.> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> NarasimhaArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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