RE: Left hand practices

September 10, 2003

Dear Chandrashekharji,

Thanks once again for your open minded thoughts . One can surely expect that from you.

I was unable to understand this line of urs due to my limitation in the english language

"Again hindu scriptures do not have a habit of sweeping unpleasant things,

should they exist, under the carpet and pretending that they do not exist."

1. Did u mean that hindu scriptures state things literally without being judgemental.

2. Maybe I was trying to think differently I mean, i was thinking that if God

created the left hand practices, then he had a specific reason for it or are we

misinterpreting them as in are we being biased

3. Now that link that you have given is exceptional, one thing that struck me

over there was that Paipalada & Saunaka are present with us today and the other

7 branches of Atharvaveda is not present, I presume it is lost - pls correct my

thinking if needed, any idea what was present in the other 7 branches.

4. Yes i am thinking that same thing what u wrote "One has to understand that

what might appear to be left hand to day might not have been viewed as such in

distant past."

Yes this is like some people dont think so that a human can fast for 7 days or

30 days, and those who can think of this as normal, find it tough to imagine a

human can live without food forever as the breatharians have displayed as

reported. It is just a matter of ones experience and perception and mental

judgements - this is what so far i am learning.

Open to correction

Sorry to hear about your maternal Aunt demise, pls accept my condolences.

Best regards,

Sunil

PS: I would try to reply to others very soon

Dear Sunil,

Perhaps it is how one interpretes Vedas that matters.You are right in saying

that God could not create Left hand and right hand practices.It would have been

better if Anantaji had given examples of what he means by left hand

practices.One has to understand that what might appear to be left hand to day

might not have been viewed as such in distant past. Again hindu scriptures do

not have a habit of sweeping unpleasant things, should they exist, under the

carpet and pretending that they do not exist.

I would like to give you a link to understand part of the atharvaveda better. Go

to http://www.swordoftruth.com/swordoftruth/archives/miscarticles/eitav.html

You might get a diferent perspective of Atharva Veda.

Chandrashekhar.

September 10, 2003

Thanks for the brilliant and detailed reply. Although I was confused slightly by

it but finally I gathered the essence of it and esp of the last para.

My humble observations from your post and more queries:-

1. It was suggested that Atharveda is not the original part of the Vedas. As

this is the observation then can it be concluded that these practices mentioned

therein are not of Gods revelations.

2. From the article posted by Shri Chandrashekharji, I came to gather that many

parts of the Atharveda are missing and what is available deals also with

Ayurveda, medicinal herbs , Electricity, marriage rites, tantra etc

Excerpts :-

One of the most exciting topics covered in the Atharvaveda is electricity and

specifically, the detailed description of valuable applications that harness

and utilize this immense source of energy. Some of the applications described,

include important specifications for a control system that harnesses the

intense power of electricity for use as a deadly weapon, utilization of

hydroelectric power for manufacturing and the fission properties of

electricity. These are only some of these amazing instances that clearly

demonstrate how the most advanced scientific laws and phenomenons are described

in the Atharvaveda.

Query:

a) Who might be the author of such great knowledge and if it is God, can we

dispense such information or rather all the information in Atharveda without

rethinking/reapplying it.

b) Could people have gone wrong in their implementation on this knowledge and

thereby giving a bad name to Atharveda.

Since I have not read the Vedas, kindly keep in mind that I am not debating but

just having a curious enquiring mind, and if this in process hurts the belief

of some, I can be asked to leave this topic in peace.

Best wishes to you

In growth

Sunil John

PS: Pls pardon any errors of english

Om Namo Narayanaaya

Sri Raghavendraaya Namaha

Sri Guruve Namaha

Sri Guru Naama Smarana

Pranams

The question posed is absolutely right. Exposition on this aspect is lengthy not

only for the list but also for individuals. Yes there are left hand practices,

and Dr. Apte of Pune University in his research compendium called

MantarAvarnavaha compiles the elucidations. I referred the compendium in my

earlier mail.

What little I know about Vedas, I shall put forth with the blessings from my

Guru and I dedicate to him.

Veda is the sacred knowledge, holy learning, the scriptures. Originally, there

were only three Vedas-Rig, Yajur and Sama Veda, which are collectively called

"TAYIE"-the sacred triad.

But the fourth Veda called Atharva Veda was subsequently added to them.

Each of the Vedas (at least the TRAYIE") has two distinct parts- the MANTRA OR

SAMHITA and BRAHMANA.According to the philosophy and strict faith; the Vedas

are " a -paurusheya ". This means that these are not human compositions,

being supposed to be directly revealed by the SUPREME (HIM) as SHRUTI (that is

what is heard or revealed). SMRITI is what remembered and is the work of human

origin..

VEDANGA are certain classes of Vedas regarded as auxiliary to the Vedas and

designed to aid in the correct pronunciation and interpretation of the text and

right employment of Mantras in ceremonials. VEDANGA are six:

SHIKSHA: Science of proper articulation and pronunciation CHANDSA: Science of

prosody VYAKARNA: Grammar NIRUKTA: Etymological explanation of difficult Vedic

works Jyothisha Kalpa:Ritual/Ceremonials

THE END OF VEDAS

1. UPANISHADS: Comes at the end of Vedas

2. The last of the SIX principal DARSANAS or systems of this philosophy because

it teaches the ultimate aim and scope of Veda or because it is based on

UPANISHADS which comes at the end of Vedas. This system of philosophy is

sometimes called UTTARAMIMAMSA and this being regarded as sequel to Jaimini's

POORVAMIMAMSA. This POORVAMIMAMSA is quite a distinct system.

These MIMAMSA are the popular pantheistic creed of HINDU philosophy, regarding

as it does, the world as synthetically derived as ONE ETERNAL PRINCIPLE, the

BRAHMAN or SUPREME SPIRIT.

Now I leave this to you to understand why Atharva Veda is separated with the

TRAYIE.ATHARVA VEDA also deals with TANTRAS and MANTRAS fro Spiritual

emancipation, including liberation during ones own life time in VEDANTA as

JEEVAN MUKTI.I do not want to give examples of certain VIBHATSYA (hateful for

normal SATWICKS) Rituals as espoused in this VEDA for attaining SIDDHIS.Let us

not emphasise on this.

What VEDAS (TRAYIE) speaks of good of way of living to attain HIM. There are

processes and to me this ATHARVA VEDA is process book, if we take the SATWICK

VRITTIS.

What is VEDA? I have already stated. And to the extension to the above BIBLE is

the VEDA for Christians and KORAN for Muslims, if you really see the spirit in

the interpretation of VEDAS, in general. Hindu DHARMA rests on VEDIC philosophy

and it is the way of living. The same way of living has been propagated by

prophet Mohammed (Peace be on him) and Christ, as one school of thought and

thus transformed into respective religion. We can quote other religions and

prophets also.

One thing "AAKASHAT PATHITHAM THOYAM, SAAGRAM PRATI GATCHATI""(All water falling

from sky, joins the Ocean). So what ever and the way we practice, ultimately is

to reach HIM.SAT KARMA is what the ultimate requirement is.

Please read this last para in the context of your Query. The last para will seem

to be deviating but a careful attention will make this falling in place.

I do not know any other exposition beyond this. This is only the TRUTH I know

about VEDAS with the blessings from GURU.

Regards

Ananthakrishnan Parthasarathy

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September 10, 2003

Om Namo Narayanaaya

Sri Raghavendraaya Namaha

Sri Guruve Namaha

Sri Guru Naama Smarana

Pranams Mr.Sunil

For your I query: You would have gathred from my post that this is not part of

TRAYIE.One school of thought is that it is deriavative of TRAYIE.If you kindly

go through the para talking about TRAYIE, you can place this Veda as Shruthi or

Smrithi.You please use your judgement.

For the Second Query, I never stated that Atharveda speaks only the Left hand

practices. There are tantras for both the practices.There are enough matter on

Right hand practices ,Ayurveda,marriage rites etc. It is a Process book for me

and that is my interpretation.If you look at atharveda in piety, it is indeed a

Veda-might be a human origin/through interpretations.

Sunil Sir,I appreciate your queries on Vedas and this philosophy.I also go

through Koran interpretation and Hadith etc. to seek the common thread which

holds this mankind..This Koran like is a Veda to me as the prohet Mohammad

(peace be on him) brought this out as Sruthi from HIM (ALLAH).Later on ,such

Vedas with human intervention and interpretations became Smrithis.

It looks nice when you do the basic researchs on various schools of thoughts

with an open mind.You get lots of revelations.I do not think this will be

relevant to this group. We can desist from these expositions.

I just wanted to submit that "Jyothisha is indeed Vedic". That was message from

the last two messages in my post.

Mr.Rajeev,who raised this issue of being Astrology Vedic or not, will learn this

TRUTH,through his own experiences and way. You have to first disbelieve to

believe something.

Regards

Ananth.Sunil John <suniljohn (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Ananthji,