A challenge to Vedic astrology

[Guest guest]

Please consider this a very sincere request to

understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works.

 

I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person.

The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st

1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north,

Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west.

 

Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds,

what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner

world, family, longevity.

 

Regards,

RK

[Guest guest]

Hi Ralf,

 

We haven't had a puzzle on this list in a long time. I am interested

in trying this puzzle if I have a little time tonight. But, what is

the timezone of birth??

 

Thanks in advance.

 

May Jupite's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> Please consider this a very sincere request to

> understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works.

>

> I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person.

> The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st

> 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north,

> Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west.

>

> Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds,

> what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner

> world, family, longevity.

>

> Regards,

> RK

[Guest guest]

|| Om Gurave Namah ||

Dear RK,

 

Siblings:

Could have had an immediate elder brother and before that another

elder brother. Immediate following him there could have possibly been

a sister.

 

Children:

First child could have been a male child(possible trouble with it).

 

Profession:

Might have moved away from birthplace for profession. May not be

employed but be in a independant business.

 

Warm Regards

S. Prabhakaran

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "krueger_ralf" <ani_ana@h...>

wrote:

> Please consider this a very sincere request to

> understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works.

>

> I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person.

> The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st

> 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north,

> Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west.

>

> Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds,

> what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner

> world, family, longevity.

>

> Regards,

> RK

[Guest guest]

A lot of secret activity, Rahu in the 12th.

 

Venus is Darakaraka and 9th lord in rasi sandhi with the Sun and

Mercury, very odd sexual experiences. Gulika and Mandi in the 9th

house too, fall in dharma.

 

Jupiter and the 5th lord are very afflicted and retrograde, state of

mind is highly questionable, not a normal mind by any means.

 

Moon is the atmakaraka and it lords the 11th, house of desires, there

will problems with showing compassion towards others and dealing with

his own desires.

 

Mars is the lord of the 3rd and 8th and is in marana karaka sthana

in the 7th, 7th lord is the badhak lord and retrograde with Saturn,

Rahu is aspecting 7th lord, retrograde Saturn is aspecting 7th, Moon

the Atmakaraka in 7th, Venus being the darakaraka and the 7th house

being the badhak house! This all points to something really messy

focussing on relationships, unnatural desires and sexuality.

 

3rd and 8th lord Mars is in marana karaka. Lagna/10th lord Mercury is

combust. Life span can't be that great. Mars and Rahu in the 3rd and

8th from Arudha lagna indicates he will have a sudden and violent

death.

 

Karakamsa is pisces, Saturn and Rahu indicate the Ishta Devata. Rahu

is in debility in navamsa and Saturn is in the 9th from Karakamsa,

this suggests sorrow ( Saturn ) and diabolical actions ( Rahu ) play

an important part in his life. Similar to George Bush's chart, he too

has Saturn/Rahu as the Ishta Devata, sorrow/suffering/terrorism.

 

Furthermore the position of Gulika in Karakamsa, Mars in trines to

this, Mandi and Gulika in 9th in Rasi suggests one who poisons

others. A drug dealer or pimp perhaps?

 

This is all providing the birth time is correct and Lagna is Virgo.

 

love

jaan

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "krueger_ralf" <ani_ana@h...>

wrote:

> Please consider this a very sincere request to

> understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works.

>

> I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person.

> The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st

> 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north,

> Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west.

>

> Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds,

> what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner

> world, family, longevity.

>

> Regards,

> RK

[Guest guest]

Aum Namah Shivaya

 

 

Nowadays as I am busy with too many commitments (as always, and who isn’t!) I

only browse through the posts very quickly. On seeing this mail I almost

decided to skip it. But seeing the tone and spirit in which the query was

addressed, I decided to just take a look at the quiz/puzzle/query. One look at

the chart and I wanted to go deeper. As the objective behind the query seems to

be a sincere wish to understand and appreciate how “vedic astrology works”

(interestingly the chart chosen is a good model chart for demonstrating the

basics!), I will attempt the blind chart. Since I do not have much time, I will

address the most significant points in an order of priority. As is my usual

habit, I will try to explain as much as possible (within the constraints of

time and space) at least as far as the main points are concerned.

 

All astrological work depends on the use of right data. Though the Time Zone has

not been mentioned judging from the co-ordinates, the time zone **could be** 5

or 6 hours. 5 hrs if there is a correction of one hour for this date, again

judging from the co-ordinates (my atlas which I compiled for the software

developed by me gives it so). Since someone else (was it jaan?) also seems to

have used a Virgo ascendant, guess it is right. As the time of birth has been

mentioned as 04:34 pm, looks like the birth time is either recorded accurately

or is assumed to be accurate. Please note that some of the following

interpretations will change if the birth time is inaccurate. I am using a Virgo

ascendant with roughly 26 degrees.

 

In real life one can always verify, rectify and then proceed. But in puzzles, a

quiz etc, an element of risk is involved, when the astrologer has to use time

sensitive techniques. But with faith reposed in the ishta devata and the help

of a prasna chart I will proceed with the blind chart. Details of Prasna chart:

Time: 16 hrs 28 min 55seconds, 17th September 2003, Sydney, Australia. The

prasna chart confirms the role of Mars, Saturn, Venus, Mercury, 1st, 7th and

the 8th houses as also the 4th house as the main focus in the blind chart. So I

assume that the details of the chart as used by me are probably accurate enough,

accurate at least with respect to the level of details used in the analysis

here.

 

The first step in chart reading involves a thorough study of the angles. The

angles or quadrants are called the kendras in jyotish and are pivotal. Hence

the all important kendras are also called ‘Vishnu stanas’. Vishnu is the God

who sustains the Universe and likewise it is the kendras that are the pillars

of a chart. The four kendras can further be grouped or studied as an axis each.

So we have the 1/7 and 4/10 axis.

 

While the 1/7 axis tells us about how one (1st) interacts with others, how one

reaches out to the others (7th), the 4/10 axis tells about one’s sense of

identity, about the way one expresses oneself, the objective towards which one

is working, and the experiences from which one is coming. Afflicted kendras

weaken a chart just as weak pillars cannot support a building. Such afflictions

should be re-confirmed again by looking into other factors. For instance the 4th

house affliction has to be verified with respect to the Moon while the 7th

affliction (as far as relationship is concerned) should be further ascertained

from Venus. After ascertaining from these basic steps, one has to proceed to

the finer checks involving the Nakshatras, divisional charts and the relevant

special techniques.

 

 

One of the key themes in this chart is an afflicted childhood and emotional

dissatisfaction/unhappiness related to the mother and a consequently disturbed

mind. Some quick pointers to the same effect:

 

Afflicted 4th. Saturn the 6th lord in the 4th. Though Jupiter too is there,

Jupiter cannot exercise full damage control because he loses part of his

natural benefic nature because of the kendradhipatya dosha. As he owns two

kendras (4th and 7th) and is in the 4th (a very important Kendra) he is not

empowered to do much good. At best he may be a neutral. But the affliction to

the 4th by Saturn further gets confirmed when considers Moon the 4th lord for

the Natural zodiac and also the karaka for Mother and Mind.

Moon too is afflicted by the most malefic Mars (he owns the most malefic 8th

house as also the other not so good 3rd house and is the worst planet for a

Virgo ascendant). Further confirming the affliction of the Moon is his

presence in a serpent decante (sarpa drekkana). In my experience serpent

decantes have a four-fold significance

in medical astrology,

mental afflictions,

alchohol and drug abuse

and finally depending on other factors even in spiritual experiences!!

 

But I should warn a beginner against the flippant use of such finer

nuances unless (s)he is sure of the other preliminary checks. Only after such

checks should one use the serpent decantes.

 

The most malefic eighth lord Mars is in the 7th in Pisces in Saturn’s Nakshatra

in Uttarabhadra 4th quarter thus putting him in his own Navamsa- Scorpio where

he is in the company of the Nakshatra lord Saturn! If the ascendant degree used

by me (roughly Virgo 26degrees) is accurate Scorpio becomes the 4th house in the

Navamsa too and clinches the role of the afflicted 4th house and afflicted Moon

in the Rasi chart.

 

While there are other points too that merit discussion, I will cut short and now

take you to the other equally important and afflicted angle- the seventh.

 

1. It has already been mentioned about the afflicted 7th house with Mars

and Moon in a serpent decante.

2. The most malefic 8th lord and 3rd lord Mars is the worst malefic for a

Virgo lagna. In addition to his role as the most malefic for a Virgo ascendant,

he also functions as an 8th lord in the seventh. That Mars is especially bad due

to the influence of Saturn on Mars in this chart has already been indicated

above.

 

Venus the natural significator for relationships is the 2nd (family) and 9th

(father, luck, Guru etc) lord in the 8th in rasi-sandhi. Again not good for

relationships and family life.

 

As a result of the strongly afflicted 1/7 axis the person will find difficulty

in relating to the others (7th house), to the world at large. With the 4th

house affliction as well as the afflicted Moon, one thing comes across clearly.

 

 

The fourth house governs the feelings of belonging, being at home, and being

connected. It symbolizes psychological structures that are genetically inbuilt

or formed in earliest life. This chart reveals a lack of the much needed

emotional support at home, from the parents, especially the mother. The subject

seems to be an insecure and introversive person who deals with the world at

large (and every one whom he interacts with in his/her daily life) in a

subjective yet very forceful manner. S(h)e has a strong need to feel secure,

making the need for a sense of belonging very important. The afflicted 4th

combined with the afflicted 7th and the role of Mars in both these afflictions

could lead to a very violent nature, making the person a mentally disturbed

and violent individual.

 

In spite of all this, the person does come across as an intelligent person with

a method, logic, ingenuity and careful planning in the way he functions! I have

used the influence of Mars and Mercury on the Moon as well as Lagna in

interpreting this part. Both the Ascendant and the Moon are under the influence

of both Mars as well Mercury. While the Moon is conjunct Mars and is the

nakshatra of Mercury, the lagna is in Virgo (ruled by Mercury) and in the

Nakshatra of Mars (Chitta).

 

Through additional checks, I am almost sure (75%) that the person is prone to

compulsive behaviour. One such check includes (among my favourite checks) the

use of the fixed stars. Though the fixed stars are not part of standard

Jyotish, since they are based on the sidereal chart and use interpretations

based on observations of the Greeks, Babylonians and other ancient schools of

astrology (all of which are linked to one another in many ways) over at least a

few thousand years, I use them as a good back drop in such cases. I use the

indications of the fixed stars only if they fit well within the framework of

the rasi and navamsa charts. In this chart, there are some very interesting

conjunctions of planets with some powerful fixed stars. I have used a very

tight orb of 1 degree and the ayanamsa used is of course Lahiri or Chitra

paksha ayanamsa. I am running out of time! Without going into the details, I

will just sum it up fast now.

 

In addition to the already covered indications, there is a strong possibility

that we are looking at a murderer’s chart. (S)he seems to be the source as well

as target of violence himself.

 

On the overall not a good life. Neither is a good death indicated. That Rahu in

the 12th in the rasi chart in addition to the other factors can mean

imprisonment too. Career (if he/she had one for a reasonably long period) seems

to be very erratic and unstable. My first pick would be Army, Police, Medical,

Forensic lines though Sports cannot be ruled out. But I am not really sure of

this area unless I go deeper. Even if I go deeper, I may never be sure of this

area, what with the constantly proliferating fields and careers in the current

times! But I am reasonably sure of the rest of the readings/interpretations as

long as the details given/used are accurate.

 

Now look at the Vimsottari dasa sequence. The sequence of the dasas is very

important in the realization of the indications in the chart. Quite interesting

sequence here. Born in Mercury dasa, followed by a short Ketu dasa. Then follow

the worst dasas of Venus and Sun. Whatever it was, the dasa of Venus must have

been a tough one, especially Venus-Mars (77-78). Both the planets play a strong

role in the natal chart as well as the prasna chart. (In the prasna chart Mars

the 3rd and 10th lord is in the ascendant in Aquarius and aspects the

conjunction of Venus and Sun in the eighth house. There is an exchange between

the 7th and 8th lords. Further the 7th lord Sun is in the eighth in the company

of the 4th and 9th lord Venus). In both the natal chart as well as the

prasna chart, the ninth lord Venus is in the most malefic eighth house). In view

of all this the dasas of Venus and the Sun could have been most crucial, with

the Sun dasa being the worst. While I cannot go into the details here due to

time constraints, I think that the dasa/antar of Sun-Mars and Sun-Rahu (92-93)

must have been the most terrible so far, with Sun-Rahu being the worst, with

some form of confinement or even imprisonment imposed. Why? To start with, dasa

lord Sun is the 12th lord in the 9th while antardasa lord Rahu is in the 12th.

After a sevenfold analysis, the antardasas of Mars and Rahu in the dasa of Sun

seem to be the most malefic. I hope someone else takes up this bit and

elaborates.

 

Sorry I will have to leave it here now. I have ended up spending more time on

this chart than I intended to. Whether the above interpretation corresponds

fully with the actual reality or not, the astrological analysis and methods

used remain valid. Sometimes it is tough to visualize how the various factors

manifest exactly at a mundane level. But the general and overall nature of the

events and the specific personality assessment are quite reliable in Jyotish

methodology if applied appropriately. Hope the above analysis helps the

student/questioner.

 

Regards,

 

Satya Prakash

 

Note: Sorry I overlooked the male Caucasian part till now and saw it on

re-reading the original mail. Ignore the ‘(S)he’ and read it as ‘He’ now.

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Hi Ralf,

I would like to attempt this puzzle.

Lagna has SAV 31 points so the person is quite confident of himself

with good personality.

Moon is in a house with SAV of 30 bindus and Moon itself has 4

bindus. So he is again confident in making decision and strong minded.

Again this moon is in nakhstra of mercury so he might have good mind

for observing finer things. His Moon (4 bindus) is with Mars (5)

bindus. So Mars dominates. It will add "fire" to his mind and make

him passionate. Again 10th from This Moon and Mars is Shani and

Guru.

 

In this chart 5 grahas are in 4th, 7th and 12th directly dealing with

Marriage, love , sex, and Venus is in Krittika. So this persons mind

mostly revolves around relationships and problems related to that. A

fired up Moon and Venus in krittika are not helping and SAV points

and Moon in a house with High SAV points make in firm in opinion and

eye for finer things. Even is Sun is in 9th house with 3 bindus so

it controls 4th house from itself so its boosting 12th house again to

do with pleasures. Mercury in the 9th house again with 3 bindus is

controlling 12th house so again boosting it. Venus is Natural karak

and Funtional karak for Virgo lagna and its spoilt by being in

krittika. Again such a Venus is with Rahu in Navamsa adding another

zing to it. This venus is aspected by Guru and is in Navamsa of Guru

so its having check so this person might be an attractive man and

might get his way with women. He will have the patiences

 

5th lord in 12th from itself so again its reducing the effects of 5th

house so ups and downs in love relationships.

 

All these things point to a Roller Coaster mind regarding

relationships, love, marriage.

 

Regarding Intellegence, this person has average intellegence. None

of lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa, drekkhana and trimsamsa of

Shani. (This is assuming that the birth time is accurate).

Overall life is that of struggle he might get things but it will be

after struggle.

 

Marritial life of this person might not be smooth. 6th lord in 4th,

Venus in krittika with 6 bindus. However both receive check of

Guru. So even if marriages break it will not be from his side. He

will be responsible for his wife and family.

 

Might have married during Venus/Guru i.e. 1980/07 thru 1983/04. I

would say in the first 1/3rd sector.

 

Might have had problems in marriage or possibly break between 1983/04

thru 1986/06. i.e. Venus/Shani. He also might meet someone else in

the same period.

 

This was my attempt.

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "krueger_ralf" <ani_ana@h...>

wrote:

> Please consider this a very sincere request to

> understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works.

>

> I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person.

> The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st

> 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north,

> Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west.

>

> Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds,

> what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner

> world, family, longevity.

>

> Regards,

> RK

[Guest guest]

Namaste friends,

 

I read what others wrote on Ralf Krueger's puzzle. I particularly

agree with Dr. Satya Prakash's analysis and will use his analysis

as the starting point. I will add to what he wrote. Like others,

I am assuming 5 hrs west timezone. If that's wrong, please ignore

this mail altogether.

 

Because the native is supposed to be "famous/infamous", I looked at

panchamsa (D-5). It has debilitated Moon in lagna (infamous for

being mad in some manner) and moolatrikona Venus with exalted

Saturn and nodes in 12th house (Libra). This seems to indicate a

rapist (in addition to murderer as Satya wrote). The 12th house

is the house of sexual pleasures. Venus and Libra confirm it.

Saturn and nodes there show cheating, saddening and assaulting

ladies. That's what made him (in)famous.

 

In rasi chart, 3rd lord Mars and 11th lord Moon join in 7th. Moon

is in sarpa (snake) drekkana and aspects lagna too closely. Thus,

kama trikona really dominates his personality. He must get what

he wants, at any cost. He pursues his desires aggressively. Lagna

lord Mercury is combust and afflicted by 12th lord. The intellect

does not operate well at all. Mind (Moon in a snake drekkana)

takes over his personality and does not let intellect (combust

Mercury) dominate.

 

One's weaknesses are seen from trimsamsa (D-30). Nodes are the

key. Nodes afflict Venus in Libra. This shows weakness (sin) in

the matter of sexuality, due to perversion (nodes) and

disturbance in jala tattva (watery nature) and harmony.

 

In fact, affliction of Venus by Rahu occurs in many divisions.

Rahu closely aspects Venus in rasi. They are together in

navamsa. In D-30, they are together. AK Venus in 8th in rasi

and afflicted by Rahu in many vargas clearly shows perverse

sexuality and pursuit of perverse pleasures.

 

For timing of sins, Sanjay taught me to use Parivritti D-30

(cyclical variation of D-30) and look at 6th. Here Venus owns

it and Sun occupies it (6th in parivritti D-30). So, as Satya

pointed out, Venus and Sun dasas are the key (esp Sun).

 

Talking about family, look at D-12. The 8th lord Rahu in lagna

does not show much happiness. Pisces with Jupiter and Venus is

9th in D-12 and shows father. Father was learned, scholarly

(Merc in 8th), compassionate, kind and idealistic (Jup and Ven

in Pi). But he was also authoritative (Sun and Mars in 6th).

Mother is shown by Libra. Lagna lord Venus is in marana karaka

sthana and mother is unfortunate. Moon and Ketu in 4th shows

lack of comfort and happiness for mother.

 

I made a prasna on whether he was a rapist. The prasna (horary)

chart has Libra lagna with Venus debilitated in 12th and Ketu

afflicting lagna. This confirms a headless (Ketu) person with

strange passions (debilitated Venus in 12th).

 

The native may have been a rapist who struck in 1991-1996. Moon

is a strong maraka. Moon dasa may have given death in 1997-98.

Actually, there is a chance of death in Sun-Saturn antardasa

(1994-1995) also, as 10th lord Sun and 3rd lord Saturn join in

2nd in shashtyamsa-like thrimsamsa (another D-30 variation that

shows punishment for sins). Two malefics in 2nd can certainly

give death. However, the chart seems like a madhyayu (middle

life, i.e. 36-72 years) chart on superficial examination. So

Moon dasa is probably the correct one. In any case, the 3rd

from AL is Pisces and contains Moon and Mars. Death was

violent. It took place near water or in a hospital or a prison

(Pisces, the 12th house of natural zodiac). With the chances

of imprisonment high, he must've been executed. Mars can give

death by electrocution too. However, it is interesting to see

that Sun (government) is not involved with the 3rd from AL.

Something's amiss and I'll leave it for now.

 

Sun is the 12th lord causing combusion of lagna lord. Rahu is

in 12th in inimical sign. He may have been imprisoned in Sun-

Rahu (1992-93) and executed in Sun-Saturn (1994-1995). Or he

may have been imprisoned in Sun-Mercury (combust lagna lord

too can give imprisonment, Mercury owns bandhana sahamam) and

executed in Moon-Moon. Examination of annual charts can make

it clearer.

 

OK, I have to go back to work now.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> Please consider this a very sincere request to

> understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works.

>

> I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person.

> The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st

> 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north,

> Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west.

>

> Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds,

> what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner

> world, family, longevity.

>

> Regards,

> RK

[Guest guest]

Aum Namah Shivaya

 

 

Dear Narasimha,

 

Namaste.

 

I had also considered some of the points discussed by you though you

have dealt with some other angles too. I agree with most of your

analysis, but not with the ladies bit. Using Lahiri ayanamsa for

both the planets and fixed stars (it is very unconventional for

fixed stars users to do this, nevertheless my experience makes me

adopt this choice), Sun is conjunct the principal star of Krittikas

right on the degree (I use a very tight orb of one degree for the

fixed stars). Please note the difference between the whole nakshatra

and the yoga tara. Alcyone as it is called is very famous/infamous

depending on other factors. I will now quote from my personal notes.

 

"Alcyone corresponds to the largest or principal star of the

Krittikas. Only the particular one degree is considered especially

evil. The nature of Alcyone was said to be that of Moon and Mars by

Ptolemy. According to Alvidas it has the effect of Mars, Moon and

Sun in opposition. Some attribute homosexuality too, but I am not

sure of this as I have never done any personal research or study

into this area. Ebertin says that Alcyone is not good for

relationships with the opposite sex. George Noonan attributes to

Alcyone a strong likelihood of alcoholism and a desire to dress well

too. Sun's conjunction with Alcyone can specifically cause some of

the following: eye or vision disorders, injury to face, evil

tendencies, murderer or murdered, imprisonment, stabbing, shooting

and beheading...."

 

As Ebertin says, I too have found Alcyone very bad for relationships

with opposite sex (In fact I had seen three charts of homosexual

persons with Alcyone involved spot on. But three charts do not make

a research!) But really I wonder if this man had ANY relationship

with any woman AT ALL, because of Sun's conjunction with Alcyone.

Due to other such influences too, I feel that women are ruled out of

his life.

 

I will refrain from discussing the other fixed star influences as

some may feel that it is not vedic astrology proper.

 

As for the D-12 and parents I agree with your analysis about the

father being well educated and quite a nice person though some form

of early seperation from father is not ruled out. But the key issue

seems to revolve around the Mother, lack of a proper support system,

insecurity, afflicted childhood and subsequent compulsive and

violent behaviour.

 

Murder(s), Crime and Imprisonment are all interlinked possibilities

for this chart. Could he himself have been killed or murdered, with

all those fixed stars indicating a voilent death? While I am sure of

the imprisonment and the role of the 12th house, courts normally do

not award voilent death penalties. All that they do is award a death

penalty. One point that I cannot resist sharing is Rahu's

conjunction with Denebola, which can indicate mental disturbances

and personal catastrophes. The role of Rahu is further confirmed in

the D-30 too.

 

Its very late now. Got to go to bed. Waiting to see what this chart

is all about...

 

Regards,

Satya

[Guest guest]

Namaste Satya,

 

> I agree with most of your analysis, but not with the ladies bit.

 

The word "ladies" was casually written. I never considered the

homosexuality angle. Based on the placement of Venus in rasi,

thrimsamsa and other charts, all I can say with a reasonable

level of confidence is that the native is a sexually

perverted rapist.

 

There is a special divisional chart for sex drive and the

position of Venus in a particular house along with Saturn in

that chart suggests sadism in sexual matters. He likes

inflicting pain. Rahu and Ketu aspect Venus in that chart

too and it shows some shady and dark secret surrounding his

sex drive, apart from sadism.

 

Regarding whether he raped "ladies" or not, I am not sure. I

casually wrote it. I cannot comment on your conclusion about

homosexuality. Pt. Sanjay Rath and Shiv Pujan are experts in

this area and they can draw correct conclusions without using

non-Jyotish techniques. Unfortunately, when Sanjay ji was

teaching these matters last year, I did not pay attention as

I was not interested. So I will leave homosexuality out of my

analysis.

 

> Could he himself have been killed or murdered, with

> all those fixed stars indicating a voilent death? While I am sure

of

> the imprisonment and the role of the 12th house, courts normally do

> not award voilent death penalties. All that they do is award a

death

> penalty.

 

It is pretty likely that he was imprisoned. Venus, who shows bad

results in several divisional charts, is in the 8th house in rasi

chart and his weaknesses led to a lot of secret activity in the

physical world. But the 12th has Rahu, and its lord Sun causes

combusion of lagna lord. He was most likely imprisoned. Why do

you say death penalty awarded by states is not violent? Why is

electrocution non-violent?

 

Jupiter owns and aspects the 3rd from AL and it shows prior

knowledge of death. That agains suggests electrocution. How

can one have prior knowledge of any other kind of violent

death?!

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Namaste friends,

 

I made an error. We have to take the stronger of AL and A7 to

see the place and manner of death. Here AL and A7 are of

comparable strengths, but 7th is stronger than lagna. So A7

dominates. It is in Gemini. The 3rd from there is Leo. It

contains Rahu.

 

Earlier, I was looking at Cancer Shoola dasa (1996-2005)

and pointed at Moon's Vimsottari dasa for death. With the

realization that A7 is stronger, I now think Gemini dasa

(1987-1996) is a strong candidate. As Moon and Mars aspect it,

as its lord is combust (by the lord of 3rd from A7!) and as it

contains A7 (stronger than AL), its dasa is a strong candidate

for death.

 

Rahu in 3rd from A7 shows dushta marana (bad death). It is a

violent death that suddenly happens and catches him by shock

and surprise (Rahu!). So I was wrong on electrucution. That's

not likely with A7.

 

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

 

> > Could he himself have been killed or murdered, with

> > all those fixed stars indicating a voilent death? While I am sure

> of

> > the imprisonment and the role of the 12th house, courts normally

do

> > not award voilent death penalties. All that they do is award a

> death

> > penalty.

>

> It is pretty likely that he was imprisoned. Venus, who shows bad

> results in several divisional charts, is in the 8th house in rasi

> chart and his weaknesses led to a lot of secret activity in the

> physical world. But the 12th has Rahu, and its lord Sun causes

> combusion of lagna lord. He was most likely imprisoned. Why do

> you say death penalty awarded by states is not violent? Why is

> electrocution non-violent?

>

> Jupiter owns and aspects the 3rd from AL and it shows prior

> knowledge of death. That agains suggests electrocution. How

> can one have prior knowledge of any other kind of violent

> death?!

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

[Guest guest]

Aum Namah Shivaya

 

Namaste Narasimha,

 

My observation of homosexuality as a distinct consideration is not

really a conclusion, but a ***strong probability*** in view of the

fixed star conjunction as well as other factors analysed by you too.

I do not have sufficient research/study/ experience in this area.

While I have nearly a dozen charts of homosexuals in my collection,

this is not enough to constitute a valid study, much less a

research. Let us wait and see **if** the homosexuality angle has any

basis in this chart. I wonder what part of Jyotish principles

Pt.Sanjay Rath uses to determine homosexuality. I would be quite

interested in knowing this from him. Maybe after his trip to the US

is over and he is relatively free. I definetely agree with your

overall analysis.

 

 

As for the "voilent death", and death penalty, I should have used a

more appropriate word probably. A brutal and voilent death could be

indicated here. I consider electrocution voilent, but not brutal

enough like being stabbed or clubbed to death or being eaten alive

by wild animals (as in the case of Parasara) etc. Another instance

of the use of fixed stars and such a brutally voilent death is that

of Azaria Chamberlain, a famous case from Australia- of a child

being carried away/killed by wild dogs.

 

 

> Jupiter owns and aspects the 3rd from AL and it shows prior

> knowledge of death. That agains suggests electrocution. How

> can one have prior knowledge of any other kind of violent

> death?!

 

Honestly I am not sure if this principle works well always. Maybe.

Maybe not.

 

I think I will leave out the death part too for a while and wait for

Ralf to come out with the actual facts of the case. Too much talk of

morbid issues is a bit disturbing to me at the moment. I better stop

and listen to some kirtans before sleeping. Though I too had seen

the vargas, I refrained from writing much. Yet you did bring in a

few other interesting bits that may help one go deeper. Your

participation made the discussion more interesting.Good exercise on

the chart.

 

 

Regards,

 

Satya

 

==============================================================

 

vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote:

> Namaste Satya,

>

> > I agree with most of your analysis, but not with the ladies bit.

>

> The word "ladies" was casually written. I never considered the

> homosexuality angle. Based on the placement of Venus in rasi,

> thrimsamsa and other charts, all I can say with a reasonable

> level of confidence is that the native is a sexually

> perverted rapist.

>

> There is a special divisional chart for sex drive and the

> position of Venus in a particular house along with Saturn in

> that chart suggests sadism in sexual matters. He likes

> inflicting pain. Rahu and Ketu aspect Venus in that chart

> too and it shows some shady and dark secret surrounding his

> sex drive, apart from sadism.

>

> Regarding whether he raped "ladies" or not, I am not sure. I

> casually wrote it. I cannot comment on your conclusion about

> homosexuality. Pt. Sanjay Rath and Shiv Pujan are experts in

> this area and they can draw correct conclusions without using

> non-Jyotish techniques. Unfortunately, when Sanjay ji was

> teaching these matters last year, I did not pay attention as

> I was not interested. So I will leave homosexuality out of my

> analysis.

>

> > Could he himself have been killed or murdered, with

> > all those fixed stars indicating a voilent death? While I am

sure

> of

> > the imprisonment and the role of the 12th house, courts normally

do

> > not award voilent death penalties. All that they do is award a

> death

> > penalty.

>

> It is pretty likely that he was imprisoned. Venus, who shows bad

> results in several divisional charts, is in the 8th house in rasi

> chart and his weaknesses led to a lot of secret activity in the

> physical world. But the 12th has Rahu, and its lord Sun causes

> combusion of lagna lord. He was most likely imprisoned. Why do

> you say death penalty awarded by states is not violent? Why is

> electrocution non-violent?

>

> Jupiter owns and aspects the 3rd from AL and it shows prior

> knowledge of death. That agains suggests electrocution. How

> can one have prior knowledge of any other kind of violent

> death?!

>

> May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> Narasimha

[Guest guest]

>

> Rahu in 3rd from A7 shows dushta marana (bad death). It is a

> violent death that suddenly happens and catches him by shock

> and surprise (Rahu!). So I was wrong on electrucution. That's

> not likely with A7.

>

 

 

This seems to fit well with what I was trying to suggest all the

while. Yes there is an element of shock and brutality involved here.

I was a bit concerned when you brought Jupiter into the picture

earlier.

 

Regards,

Satya

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

The latitudes and longitudes specified are that of Milwaukee, WI in

the US. The concerned time zone is us central time -- 7 hours behind

GMT. I cast the horoscope using JJ with these details and my

ascendent comes out to be Libra!

 

Just wanted to clear up my confusion. Maybe the place of birth is

incorrect or maybe Ralf could reconfirm the latitudes-longitudes.

 

Thanks and Regards,

Vikrant

 

vedic astrology, "krueger_ralf"

<ani_ana@h...> wrote:

> Please consider this a very sincere request to

> understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works.

>

> I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person.

> The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st

> 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north,

> Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west.

>

> Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds,

> what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner

> world, family, longevity.

>

> Regards,

> RK

[Guest guest]

Well you are obviously not from US, Central Time is 6:00 hrs behind GMT, May

21 corresponds to Daylight Savings, so the time zone is 5 hrs behind GMT.

The ascendant should be 26 Virgo.

 

 

-

"Vikrant Satam" <vikrantsatam

<vedic astrology>

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:02 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology

 

 

> Hi,

>

> The latitudes and longitudes specified are that of Milwaukee, WI in

> the US. The concerned time zone is us central time -- 7 hours behind

> GMT. I cast the horoscope using JJ with these details and my

> ascendent comes out to be Libra!

>

> Just wanted to clear up my confusion. Maybe the place of birth is

> incorrect or maybe Ralf could reconfirm the latitudes-longitudes.

>

> Thanks and Regards,

> Vikrant

>

> vedic astrology, "krueger_ralf"

> <ani_ana@h...> wrote:

> > Please consider this a very sincere request to

> > understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works.

> >

> > I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person.

> > The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st

> > 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north,

> > Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west.

> >

> > Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds,

> > what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner

> > world, family, longevity.

> >

> > Regards,

> > RK

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well this chart belongs to the serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer from Milwaukee. This

is what I found from the net "Between his birth in may 21 1960 and his death at

the hands of a fellow prison inmate in nov 28 1994, Jeffrey Dahmer gained

notoriety for killing 17 men, for cannabalising parts of their bodies and for

incorporating them into bizarre sexual rituals. He was a homosexual. His reign

of terror lasted from 1978 - 1988".

 

I remembered Moon in Revati in Sarpa drekkana and after reading PVR and Satya's

analysis I remembered reading his chart analysis on a website.

 

 

-

"pvr108" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>

<vedic astrology>

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:48 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology

> Namaste Satya,> > > I agree with most of your analysis, but not with the

ladies bit.> > The word "ladies" was casually written. I never considered the>

homosexuality angle. Based on the placement of Venus in rasi,> thrimsamsa and

other charts, all I can say with a reasonable> level of confidence is that the

native is a sexually> perverted rapist.> > There is a special divisional chart

for sex drive and the> position of Venus in a particular house along with Saturn

in > that chart suggests sadism in sexual matters. He likes> inflicting pain.

Rahu and Ketu aspect Venus in that chart> too and it shows some shady and dark

secret surrounding his> sex drive, apart from sadism.> > Regarding whether he

raped "ladies" or not, I am not sure. I> casually wrote it. I cannot comment on

your conclusion about> homosexuality. Pt. Sanjay Rath and Shiv Pujan are experts

in> this area and they can draw correct conclusions without using> non-Jyotish

techniques. Unfortunately, when Sanjay ji was> teaching these matters last

year, I did not pay attention as> I was not interested. So I will leave

homosexuality out of my> analysis.> > > Could he himself have been killed or

murdered, with > > all those fixed stars indicating a voilent death? While I am

sure > of > > the imprisonment and the role of the 12th house, courts normally

do > > not award voilent death penalties. All that they do is award a > death >

> penalty. > > It is pretty likely that he was imprisoned. Venus, who shows

bad> results in several divisional charts, is in the 8th house in rasi> chart

and his weaknesses led to a lot of secret activity in the> physical world. But

the 12th has Rahu, and its lord Sun causes> combusion of lagna lord. He was

most likely imprisoned. Why do> you say death penalty awarded by states is not

violent? Why is> electrocution non-violent?> > Jupiter owns and aspects the

3rd from AL and it shows prior> knowledge of death. That agains suggests

electrocution. How> can one have prior knowledge of any other kind of violent>

death?!> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> Narasimha> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Oh Yeah thanks Vikrant your email actually triggered by memory by mentioning

that the latitude and longitude were of Milwaukee, WI.

-

Ravi Chivukula

vedic astrology

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology

Well this chart belongs to the serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer from Milwaukee. This

is what I found from the net "Between his birth in may 21 1960 and his death at

the hands of a fellow prison inmate in nov 28 1994, Jeffrey Dahmer gained

notoriety for killing 17 men, for cannabalising parts of their bodies and for

incorporating them into bizarre sexual rituals. He was a homosexual. His reign

of terror lasted from 1978 - 1988".

 

I remembered Moon in Revati in Sarpa drekkana and after reading PVR and Satya's

analysis I remembered reading his chart analysis on a website.

[Guest guest]

And sorry.. I forgot to compliment Satya and Narasimha's excellent analysis of

the chart. It was truly great and again proved their reputation as very good

astrologers.

 

-

Ravi Chivukula

vedic astrology

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:40 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology

Oh Yeah thanks Vikrant your email actually triggered by memory by mentioning

that the latitude and longitude were of Milwaukee, WI.

-

Ravi Chivukula

vedic astrology

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology

Well this chart belongs to the serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer from Milwaukee. This

is what I found from the net "Between his birth in may 21 1960 and his death at

the hands of a fellow prison inmate in nov 28 1994, Jeffrey Dahmer gained

notoriety for killing 17 men, for cannabalising parts of their bodies and for

incorporating them into bizarre sexual rituals. He was a homosexual. His reign

of terror lasted from 1978 - 1988".

 

I remembered Moon in Revati in Sarpa drekkana and after reading PVR and Satya's

analysis I remembered reading his chart analysis on a website.

[Guest guest]

I have read about all the story.PVR & DR.Satya are very good at analysing charts.

Good.

 

 

Regards

Raji

Ravi Chivukula <ravichivukula (AT) arczip (DOT) com> wrote:

And sorry.. I forgot to compliment Satya and Narasimha's excellent analysis of

the chart. It was truly great and again proved their reputation as very good

astrologers.

 

-

Ravi Chivukula

vedic astrology

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:40 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology

Oh Yeah thanks Vikrant your email actually triggered by memory by mentioning

that the latitude and longitude were of Milwaukee, WI.

-

Ravi Chivukula

vedic astrology

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology

Well this chart belongs to the serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer from Milwaukee. This

is what I found from the net "Between his birth in may 21 1960 and his death at

the hands of a fellow prison inmate in nov 28 1994, Jeffrey Dahmer gained

notoriety for killing 17 men, for cannabalising parts of their bodies and for

incorporating them into bizarre sexual rituals. He was a homosexual. His reign

of terror lasted from 1978 - 1988".

 

I remembered Moon in Revati in Sarpa drekkana and after reading PVR and Satya's

analysis I remembered reading his chart analysis on a website.

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[Guest guest]

Hi PVR ji and Dr.Satya,

 

That was really something of a wonderful analysis, and also made for

a wonderful reading.

 

Jayashree

 

vedic astrology, Rajeswari Shankar

<rajeswarishankar> wrote:

> Hi

>

> I have read about all the story.PVR & DR.Satya are very good at

analysing charts.

> Good.

>

>

> Regards

> Raji

>

>

> Ravi Chivukula <ravichivukula@a...> wrote:

> And sorry.. I forgot to compliment Satya and Narasimha's excellent

analysis of the chart. It was truly great and again proved their

reputation as very good astrologers.

>

> -

> Ravi Chivukula

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:40 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology

>

>

> Oh Yeah thanks Vikrant your email actually triggered by memory by

mentioning that the latitude and longitude were of Milwaukee, WI.

> -

> Ravi Chivukula

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:33 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology

>

>

> Well this chart belongs to the serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer from

Milwaukee. This is what I found from the net "Between his birth in

may 21 1960 and his death at the hands of a fellow prison inmate in

nov 28 1994, Jeffrey Dahmer gained notoriety for killing 17 men, for

cannabalising parts of their bodies and for incorporating them into

bizarre sexual rituals. He was a homosexual. His reign of terror

lasted from 1978 - 1988".

>

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website.

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