Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Please consider this a very sincere request to understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works. I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person. The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north, Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west. Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds, what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner world, family, longevity. Regards, RK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Hi Ralf, We haven't had a puzzle on this list in a long time. I am interested in trying this puzzle if I have a little time tonight. But, what is the timezone of birth?? Thanks in advance. May Jupite's light shine on us, Narasimha > Please consider this a very sincere request to > understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works. > > I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person. > The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st > 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north, > Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west. > > Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds, > what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner > world, family, longevity. > > Regards, > RK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear RK, Siblings: Could have had an immediate elder brother and before that another elder brother. Immediate following him there could have possibly been a sister. Children: First child could have been a male child(possible trouble with it). Profession: Might have moved away from birthplace for profession. May not be employed but be in a independant business. Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran vedic astrology, "krueger_ralf" <ani_ana@h...> wrote: > Please consider this a very sincere request to > understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works. > > I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person. > The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st > 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north, > Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west. > > Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds, > what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner > world, family, longevity. > > Regards, > RK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 A lot of secret activity, Rahu in the 12th. Venus is Darakaraka and 9th lord in rasi sandhi with the Sun and Mercury, very odd sexual experiences. Gulika and Mandi in the 9th house too, fall in dharma. Jupiter and the 5th lord are very afflicted and retrograde, state of mind is highly questionable, not a normal mind by any means. Moon is the atmakaraka and it lords the 11th, house of desires, there will problems with showing compassion towards others and dealing with his own desires. Mars is the lord of the 3rd and 8th and is in marana karaka sthana in the 7th, 7th lord is the badhak lord and retrograde with Saturn, Rahu is aspecting 7th lord, retrograde Saturn is aspecting 7th, Moon the Atmakaraka in 7th, Venus being the darakaraka and the 7th house being the badhak house! This all points to something really messy focussing on relationships, unnatural desires and sexuality. 3rd and 8th lord Mars is in marana karaka. Lagna/10th lord Mercury is combust. Life span can't be that great. Mars and Rahu in the 3rd and 8th from Arudha lagna indicates he will have a sudden and violent death. Karakamsa is pisces, Saturn and Rahu indicate the Ishta Devata. Rahu is in debility in navamsa and Saturn is in the 9th from Karakamsa, this suggests sorrow ( Saturn ) and diabolical actions ( Rahu ) play an important part in his life. Similar to George Bush's chart, he too has Saturn/Rahu as the Ishta Devata, sorrow/suffering/terrorism. Furthermore the position of Gulika in Karakamsa, Mars in trines to this, Mandi and Gulika in 9th in Rasi suggests one who poisons others. A drug dealer or pimp perhaps? This is all providing the birth time is correct and Lagna is Virgo. love jaan vedic astrology, "krueger_ralf" <ani_ana@h...> wrote: > Please consider this a very sincere request to > understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works. > > I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person. > The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st > 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north, > Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west. > > Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds, > what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner > world, family, longevity. > > Regards, > RK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Aum Namah Shivaya Nowadays as I am busy with too many commitments (as always, and who isn’t!) I only browse through the posts very quickly. On seeing this mail I almost decided to skip it. But seeing the tone and spirit in which the query was addressed, I decided to just take a look at the quiz/puzzle/query. One look at the chart and I wanted to go deeper. As the objective behind the query seems to be a sincere wish to understand and appreciate how “vedic astrology works” (interestingly the chart chosen is a good model chart for demonstrating the basics!), I will attempt the blind chart. Since I do not have much time, I will address the most significant points in an order of priority. As is my usual habit, I will try to explain as much as possible (within the constraints of time and space) at least as far as the main points are concerned. All astrological work depends on the use of right data. Though the Time Zone has not been mentioned judging from the co-ordinates, the time zone **could be** 5 or 6 hours. 5 hrs if there is a correction of one hour for this date, again judging from the co-ordinates (my atlas which I compiled for the software developed by me gives it so). Since someone else (was it jaan?) also seems to have used a Virgo ascendant, guess it is right. As the time of birth has been mentioned as 04:34 pm, looks like the birth time is either recorded accurately or is assumed to be accurate. Please note that some of the following interpretations will change if the birth time is inaccurate. I am using a Virgo ascendant with roughly 26 degrees. In real life one can always verify, rectify and then proceed. But in puzzles, a quiz etc, an element of risk is involved, when the astrologer has to use time sensitive techniques. But with faith reposed in the ishta devata and the help of a prasna chart I will proceed with the blind chart. Details of Prasna chart: Time: 16 hrs 28 min 55seconds, 17th September 2003, Sydney, Australia. The prasna chart confirms the role of Mars, Saturn, Venus, Mercury, 1st, 7th and the 8th houses as also the 4th house as the main focus in the blind chart. So I assume that the details of the chart as used by me are probably accurate enough, accurate at least with respect to the level of details used in the analysis here. The first step in chart reading involves a thorough study of the angles. The angles or quadrants are called the kendras in jyotish and are pivotal. Hence the all important kendras are also called ‘Vishnu stanas’. Vishnu is the God who sustains the Universe and likewise it is the kendras that are the pillars of a chart. The four kendras can further be grouped or studied as an axis each. So we have the 1/7 and 4/10 axis. While the 1/7 axis tells us about how one (1st) interacts with others, how one reaches out to the others (7th), the 4/10 axis tells about one’s sense of identity, about the way one expresses oneself, the objective towards which one is working, and the experiences from which one is coming. Afflicted kendras weaken a chart just as weak pillars cannot support a building. Such afflictions should be re-confirmed again by looking into other factors. For instance the 4th house affliction has to be verified with respect to the Moon while the 7th affliction (as far as relationship is concerned) should be further ascertained from Venus. After ascertaining from these basic steps, one has to proceed to the finer checks involving the Nakshatras, divisional charts and the relevant special techniques. One of the key themes in this chart is an afflicted childhood and emotional dissatisfaction/unhappiness related to the mother and a consequently disturbed mind. Some quick pointers to the same effect: Afflicted 4th. Saturn the 6th lord in the 4th. Though Jupiter too is there, Jupiter cannot exercise full damage control because he loses part of his natural benefic nature because of the kendradhipatya dosha. As he owns two kendras (4th and 7th) and is in the 4th (a very important Kendra) he is not empowered to do much good. At best he may be a neutral. But the affliction to the 4th by Saturn further gets confirmed when considers Moon the 4th lord for the Natural zodiac and also the karaka for Mother and Mind. Moon too is afflicted by the most malefic Mars (he owns the most malefic 8th house as also the other not so good 3rd house and is the worst planet for a Virgo ascendant). Further confirming the affliction of the Moon is his presence in a serpent decante (sarpa drekkana). In my experience serpent decantes have a four-fold significance in medical astrology, mental afflictions, alchohol and drug abuse and finally depending on other factors even in spiritual experiences!! But I should warn a beginner against the flippant use of such finer nuances unless (s)he is sure of the other preliminary checks. Only after such checks should one use the serpent decantes. The most malefic eighth lord Mars is in the 7th in Pisces in Saturn’s Nakshatra in Uttarabhadra 4th quarter thus putting him in his own Navamsa- Scorpio where he is in the company of the Nakshatra lord Saturn! If the ascendant degree used by me (roughly Virgo 26degrees) is accurate Scorpio becomes the 4th house in the Navamsa too and clinches the role of the afflicted 4th house and afflicted Moon in the Rasi chart. While there are other points too that merit discussion, I will cut short and now take you to the other equally important and afflicted angle- the seventh. 1. It has already been mentioned about the afflicted 7th house with Mars and Moon in a serpent decante. 2. The most malefic 8th lord and 3rd lord Mars is the worst malefic for a Virgo lagna. In addition to his role as the most malefic for a Virgo ascendant, he also functions as an 8th lord in the seventh. That Mars is especially bad due to the influence of Saturn on Mars in this chart has already been indicated above. Venus the natural significator for relationships is the 2nd (family) and 9th (father, luck, Guru etc) lord in the 8th in rasi-sandhi. Again not good for relationships and family life. As a result of the strongly afflicted 1/7 axis the person will find difficulty in relating to the others (7th house), to the world at large. With the 4th house affliction as well as the afflicted Moon, one thing comes across clearly. The fourth house governs the feelings of belonging, being at home, and being connected. It symbolizes psychological structures that are genetically inbuilt or formed in earliest life. This chart reveals a lack of the much needed emotional support at home, from the parents, especially the mother. The subject seems to be an insecure and introversive person who deals with the world at large (and every one whom he interacts with in his/her daily life) in a subjective yet very forceful manner. S(h)e has a strong need to feel secure, making the need for a sense of belonging very important. The afflicted 4th combined with the afflicted 7th and the role of Mars in both these afflictions could lead to a very violent nature, making the person a mentally disturbed and violent individual. In spite of all this, the person does come across as an intelligent person with a method, logic, ingenuity and careful planning in the way he functions! I have used the influence of Mars and Mercury on the Moon as well as Lagna in interpreting this part. Both the Ascendant and the Moon are under the influence of both Mars as well Mercury. While the Moon is conjunct Mars and is the nakshatra of Mercury, the lagna is in Virgo (ruled by Mercury) and in the Nakshatra of Mars (Chitta). Through additional checks, I am almost sure (75%) that the person is prone to compulsive behaviour. One such check includes (among my favourite checks) the use of the fixed stars. Though the fixed stars are not part of standard Jyotish, since they are based on the sidereal chart and use interpretations based on observations of the Greeks, Babylonians and other ancient schools of astrology (all of which are linked to one another in many ways) over at least a few thousand years, I use them as a good back drop in such cases. I use the indications of the fixed stars only if they fit well within the framework of the rasi and navamsa charts. In this chart, there are some very interesting conjunctions of planets with some powerful fixed stars. I have used a very tight orb of 1 degree and the ayanamsa used is of course Lahiri or Chitra paksha ayanamsa. I am running out of time! Without going into the details, I will just sum it up fast now. In addition to the already covered indications, there is a strong possibility that we are looking at a murderer’s chart. (S)he seems to be the source as well as target of violence himself. On the overall not a good life. Neither is a good death indicated. That Rahu in the 12th in the rasi chart in addition to the other factors can mean imprisonment too. Career (if he/she had one for a reasonably long period) seems to be very erratic and unstable. My first pick would be Army, Police, Medical, Forensic lines though Sports cannot be ruled out. But I am not really sure of this area unless I go deeper. Even if I go deeper, I may never be sure of this area, what with the constantly proliferating fields and careers in the current times! But I am reasonably sure of the rest of the readings/interpretations as long as the details given/used are accurate. Now look at the Vimsottari dasa sequence. The sequence of the dasas is very important in the realization of the indications in the chart. Quite interesting sequence here. Born in Mercury dasa, followed by a short Ketu dasa. Then follow the worst dasas of Venus and Sun. Whatever it was, the dasa of Venus must have been a tough one, especially Venus-Mars (77-78). Both the planets play a strong role in the natal chart as well as the prasna chart. (In the prasna chart Mars the 3rd and 10th lord is in the ascendant in Aquarius and aspects the conjunction of Venus and Sun in the eighth house. There is an exchange between the 7th and 8th lords. Further the 7th lord Sun is in the eighth in the company of the 4th and 9th lord Venus). In both the natal chart as well as the prasna chart, the ninth lord Venus is in the most malefic eighth house). In view of all this the dasas of Venus and the Sun could have been most crucial, with the Sun dasa being the worst. While I cannot go into the details here due to time constraints, I think that the dasa/antar of Sun-Mars and Sun-Rahu (92-93) must have been the most terrible so far, with Sun-Rahu being the worst, with some form of confinement or even imprisonment imposed. Why? To start with, dasa lord Sun is the 12th lord in the 9th while antardasa lord Rahu is in the 12th. After a sevenfold analysis, the antardasas of Mars and Rahu in the dasa of Sun seem to be the most malefic. I hope someone else takes up this bit and elaborates. Sorry I will have to leave it here now. I have ended up spending more time on this chart than I intended to. Whether the above interpretation corresponds fully with the actual reality or not, the astrological analysis and methods used remain valid. Sometimes it is tough to visualize how the various factors manifest exactly at a mundane level. But the general and overall nature of the events and the specific personality assessment are quite reliable in Jyotish methodology if applied appropriately. Hope the above analysis helps the student/questioner. Regards, Satya Prakash Note: Sorry I overlooked the male Caucasian part till now and saw it on re-reading the original mail. Ignore the ‘(S)he’ and read it as ‘He’ now. Search - Looking for more? Try the new Search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Hi Ralf, I would like to attempt this puzzle. Lagna has SAV 31 points so the person is quite confident of himself with good personality. Moon is in a house with SAV of 30 bindus and Moon itself has 4 bindus. So he is again confident in making decision and strong minded. Again this moon is in nakhstra of mercury so he might have good mind for observing finer things. His Moon (4 bindus) is with Mars (5) bindus. So Mars dominates. It will add "fire" to his mind and make him passionate. Again 10th from This Moon and Mars is Shani and Guru. In this chart 5 grahas are in 4th, 7th and 12th directly dealing with Marriage, love , sex, and Venus is in Krittika. So this persons mind mostly revolves around relationships and problems related to that. A fired up Moon and Venus in krittika are not helping and SAV points and Moon in a house with High SAV points make in firm in opinion and eye for finer things. Even is Sun is in 9th house with 3 bindus so it controls 4th house from itself so its boosting 12th house again to do with pleasures. Mercury in the 9th house again with 3 bindus is controlling 12th house so again boosting it. Venus is Natural karak and Funtional karak for Virgo lagna and its spoilt by being in krittika. Again such a Venus is with Rahu in Navamsa adding another zing to it. This venus is aspected by Guru and is in Navamsa of Guru so its having check so this person might be an attractive man and might get his way with women. He will have the patiences 5th lord in 12th from itself so again its reducing the effects of 5th house so ups and downs in love relationships. All these things point to a Roller Coaster mind regarding relationships, love, marriage. Regarding Intellegence, this person has average intellegence. None of lagna, sun and moon are in navamsa, drekkhana and trimsamsa of Shani. (This is assuming that the birth time is accurate). Overall life is that of struggle he might get things but it will be after struggle. Marritial life of this person might not be smooth. 6th lord in 4th, Venus in krittika with 6 bindus. However both receive check of Guru. So even if marriages break it will not be from his side. He will be responsible for his wife and family. Might have married during Venus/Guru i.e. 1980/07 thru 1983/04. I would say in the first 1/3rd sector. Might have had problems in marriage or possibly break between 1983/04 thru 1986/06. i.e. Venus/Shani. He also might meet someone else in the same period. This was my attempt. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash vedic astrology, "krueger_ralf" <ani_ana@h...> wrote: > Please consider this a very sincere request to > understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works. > > I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person. > The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st > 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north, > Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west. > > Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds, > what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner > world, family, longevity. > > Regards, > RK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Namaste friends, I read what others wrote on Ralf Krueger's puzzle. I particularly agree with Dr. Satya Prakash's analysis and will use his analysis as the starting point. I will add to what he wrote. Like others, I am assuming 5 hrs west timezone. If that's wrong, please ignore this mail altogether. Because the native is supposed to be "famous/infamous", I looked at panchamsa (D-5). It has debilitated Moon in lagna (infamous for being mad in some manner) and moolatrikona Venus with exalted Saturn and nodes in 12th house (Libra). This seems to indicate a rapist (in addition to murderer as Satya wrote). The 12th house is the house of sexual pleasures. Venus and Libra confirm it. Saturn and nodes there show cheating, saddening and assaulting ladies. That's what made him (in)famous. In rasi chart, 3rd lord Mars and 11th lord Moon join in 7th. Moon is in sarpa (snake) drekkana and aspects lagna too closely. Thus, kama trikona really dominates his personality. He must get what he wants, at any cost. He pursues his desires aggressively. Lagna lord Mercury is combust and afflicted by 12th lord. The intellect does not operate well at all. Mind (Moon in a snake drekkana) takes over his personality and does not let intellect (combust Mercury) dominate. One's weaknesses are seen from trimsamsa (D-30). Nodes are the key. Nodes afflict Venus in Libra. This shows weakness (sin) in the matter of sexuality, due to perversion (nodes) and disturbance in jala tattva (watery nature) and harmony. In fact, affliction of Venus by Rahu occurs in many divisions. Rahu closely aspects Venus in rasi. They are together in navamsa. In D-30, they are together. AK Venus in 8th in rasi and afflicted by Rahu in many vargas clearly shows perverse sexuality and pursuit of perverse pleasures. For timing of sins, Sanjay taught me to use Parivritti D-30 (cyclical variation of D-30) and look at 6th. Here Venus owns it and Sun occupies it (6th in parivritti D-30). So, as Satya pointed out, Venus and Sun dasas are the key (esp Sun). Talking about family, look at D-12. The 8th lord Rahu in lagna does not show much happiness. Pisces with Jupiter and Venus is 9th in D-12 and shows father. Father was learned, scholarly (Merc in 8th), compassionate, kind and idealistic (Jup and Ven in Pi). But he was also authoritative (Sun and Mars in 6th). Mother is shown by Libra. Lagna lord Venus is in marana karaka sthana and mother is unfortunate. Moon and Ketu in 4th shows lack of comfort and happiness for mother. I made a prasna on whether he was a rapist. The prasna (horary) chart has Libra lagna with Venus debilitated in 12th and Ketu afflicting lagna. This confirms a headless (Ketu) person with strange passions (debilitated Venus in 12th). The native may have been a rapist who struck in 1991-1996. Moon is a strong maraka. Moon dasa may have given death in 1997-98. Actually, there is a chance of death in Sun-Saturn antardasa (1994-1995) also, as 10th lord Sun and 3rd lord Saturn join in 2nd in shashtyamsa-like thrimsamsa (another D-30 variation that shows punishment for sins). Two malefics in 2nd can certainly give death. However, the chart seems like a madhyayu (middle life, i.e. 36-72 years) chart on superficial examination. So Moon dasa is probably the correct one. In any case, the 3rd from AL is Pisces and contains Moon and Mars. Death was violent. It took place near water or in a hospital or a prison (Pisces, the 12th house of natural zodiac). With the chances of imprisonment high, he must've been executed. Mars can give death by electrocution too. However, it is interesting to see that Sun (government) is not involved with the 3rd from AL. Something's amiss and I'll leave it for now. Sun is the 12th lord causing combusion of lagna lord. Rahu is in 12th in inimical sign. He may have been imprisoned in Sun- Rahu (1992-93) and executed in Sun-Saturn (1994-1995). Or he may have been imprisoned in Sun-Mercury (combust lagna lord too can give imprisonment, Mercury owns bandhana sahamam) and executed in Moon-Moon. Examination of annual charts can make it clearer. OK, I have to go back to work now. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Please consider this a very sincere request to > understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works. > > I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person. > The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st > 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north, > Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west. > > Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds, > what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner > world, family, longevity. > > Regards, > RK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Aum Namah Shivaya Dear Narasimha, Namaste. I had also considered some of the points discussed by you though you have dealt with some other angles too. I agree with most of your analysis, but not with the ladies bit. Using Lahiri ayanamsa for both the planets and fixed stars (it is very unconventional for fixed stars users to do this, nevertheless my experience makes me adopt this choice), Sun is conjunct the principal star of Krittikas right on the degree (I use a very tight orb of one degree for the fixed stars). Please note the difference between the whole nakshatra and the yoga tara. Alcyone as it is called is very famous/infamous depending on other factors. I will now quote from my personal notes. "Alcyone corresponds to the largest or principal star of the Krittikas. Only the particular one degree is considered especially evil. The nature of Alcyone was said to be that of Moon and Mars by Ptolemy. According to Alvidas it has the effect of Mars, Moon and Sun in opposition. Some attribute homosexuality too, but I am not sure of this as I have never done any personal research or study into this area. Ebertin says that Alcyone is not good for relationships with the opposite sex. George Noonan attributes to Alcyone a strong likelihood of alcoholism and a desire to dress well too. Sun's conjunction with Alcyone can specifically cause some of the following: eye or vision disorders, injury to face, evil tendencies, murderer or murdered, imprisonment, stabbing, shooting and beheading...." As Ebertin says, I too have found Alcyone very bad for relationships with opposite sex (In fact I had seen three charts of homosexual persons with Alcyone involved spot on. But three charts do not make a research!) But really I wonder if this man had ANY relationship with any woman AT ALL, because of Sun's conjunction with Alcyone. Due to other such influences too, I feel that women are ruled out of his life. I will refrain from discussing the other fixed star influences as some may feel that it is not vedic astrology proper. As for the D-12 and parents I agree with your analysis about the father being well educated and quite a nice person though some form of early seperation from father is not ruled out. But the key issue seems to revolve around the Mother, lack of a proper support system, insecurity, afflicted childhood and subsequent compulsive and violent behaviour. Murder(s), Crime and Imprisonment are all interlinked possibilities for this chart. Could he himself have been killed or murdered, with all those fixed stars indicating a voilent death? While I am sure of the imprisonment and the role of the 12th house, courts normally do not award voilent death penalties. All that they do is award a death penalty. One point that I cannot resist sharing is Rahu's conjunction with Denebola, which can indicate mental disturbances and personal catastrophes. The role of Rahu is further confirmed in the D-30 too. Its very late now. Got to go to bed. Waiting to see what this chart is all about... Regards, Satya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Namaste Satya, > I agree with most of your analysis, but not with the ladies bit. The word "ladies" was casually written. I never considered the homosexuality angle. Based on the placement of Venus in rasi, thrimsamsa and other charts, all I can say with a reasonable level of confidence is that the native is a sexually perverted rapist. There is a special divisional chart for sex drive and the position of Venus in a particular house along with Saturn in that chart suggests sadism in sexual matters. He likes inflicting pain. Rahu and Ketu aspect Venus in that chart too and it shows some shady and dark secret surrounding his sex drive, apart from sadism. Regarding whether he raped "ladies" or not, I am not sure. I casually wrote it. I cannot comment on your conclusion about homosexuality. Pt. Sanjay Rath and Shiv Pujan are experts in this area and they can draw correct conclusions without using non-Jyotish techniques. Unfortunately, when Sanjay ji was teaching these matters last year, I did not pay attention as I was not interested. So I will leave homosexuality out of my analysis. > Could he himself have been killed or murdered, with > all those fixed stars indicating a voilent death? While I am sure of > the imprisonment and the role of the 12th house, courts normally do > not award voilent death penalties. All that they do is award a death > penalty. It is pretty likely that he was imprisoned. Venus, who shows bad results in several divisional charts, is in the 8th house in rasi chart and his weaknesses led to a lot of secret activity in the physical world. But the 12th has Rahu, and its lord Sun causes combusion of lagna lord. He was most likely imprisoned. Why do you say death penalty awarded by states is not violent? Why is electrocution non-violent? Jupiter owns and aspects the 3rd from AL and it shows prior knowledge of death. That agains suggests electrocution. How can one have prior knowledge of any other kind of violent death?! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Namaste friends, I made an error. We have to take the stronger of AL and A7 to see the place and manner of death. Here AL and A7 are of comparable strengths, but 7th is stronger than lagna. So A7 dominates. It is in Gemini. The 3rd from there is Leo. It contains Rahu. Earlier, I was looking at Cancer Shoola dasa (1996-2005) and pointed at Moon's Vimsottari dasa for death. With the realization that A7 is stronger, I now think Gemini dasa (1987-1996) is a strong candidate. As Moon and Mars aspect it, as its lord is combust (by the lord of 3rd from A7!) and as it contains A7 (stronger than AL), its dasa is a strong candidate for death. Rahu in 3rd from A7 shows dushta marana (bad death). It is a violent death that suddenly happens and catches him by shock and surprise (Rahu!). So I was wrong on electrucution. That's not likely with A7. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > > Could he himself have been killed or murdered, with > > all those fixed stars indicating a voilent death? While I am sure > of > > the imprisonment and the role of the 12th house, courts normally do > > not award voilent death penalties. All that they do is award a > death > > penalty. > > It is pretty likely that he was imprisoned. Venus, who shows bad > results in several divisional charts, is in the 8th house in rasi > chart and his weaknesses led to a lot of secret activity in the > physical world. But the 12th has Rahu, and its lord Sun causes > combusion of lagna lord. He was most likely imprisoned. Why do > you say death penalty awarded by states is not violent? Why is > electrocution non-violent? > > Jupiter owns and aspects the 3rd from AL and it shows prior > knowledge of death. That agains suggests electrocution. How > can one have prior knowledge of any other kind of violent > death?! > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Aum Namah Shivaya Namaste Narasimha, My observation of homosexuality as a distinct consideration is not really a conclusion, but a ***strong probability*** in view of the fixed star conjunction as well as other factors analysed by you too. I do not have sufficient research/study/ experience in this area. While I have nearly a dozen charts of homosexuals in my collection, this is not enough to constitute a valid study, much less a research. Let us wait and see **if** the homosexuality angle has any basis in this chart. I wonder what part of Jyotish principles Pt.Sanjay Rath uses to determine homosexuality. I would be quite interested in knowing this from him. Maybe after his trip to the US is over and he is relatively free. I definetely agree with your overall analysis. As for the "voilent death", and death penalty, I should have used a more appropriate word probably. A brutal and voilent death could be indicated here. I consider electrocution voilent, but not brutal enough like being stabbed or clubbed to death or being eaten alive by wild animals (as in the case of Parasara) etc. Another instance of the use of fixed stars and such a brutally voilent death is that of Azaria Chamberlain, a famous case from Australia- of a child being carried away/killed by wild dogs. > Jupiter owns and aspects the 3rd from AL and it shows prior > knowledge of death. That agains suggests electrocution. How > can one have prior knowledge of any other kind of violent > death?! Honestly I am not sure if this principle works well always. Maybe. Maybe not. I think I will leave out the death part too for a while and wait for Ralf to come out with the actual facts of the case. Too much talk of morbid issues is a bit disturbing to me at the moment. I better stop and listen to some kirtans before sleeping. Though I too had seen the vargas, I refrained from writing much. Yet you did bring in a few other interesting bits that may help one go deeper. Your participation made the discussion more interesting.Good exercise on the chart. Regards, Satya ============================================================== vedic astrology, "pvr108" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Namaste Satya, > > > I agree with most of your analysis, but not with the ladies bit. > > The word "ladies" was casually written. I never considered the > homosexuality angle. Based on the placement of Venus in rasi, > thrimsamsa and other charts, all I can say with a reasonable > level of confidence is that the native is a sexually > perverted rapist. > > There is a special divisional chart for sex drive and the > position of Venus in a particular house along with Saturn in > that chart suggests sadism in sexual matters. He likes > inflicting pain. Rahu and Ketu aspect Venus in that chart > too and it shows some shady and dark secret surrounding his > sex drive, apart from sadism. > > Regarding whether he raped "ladies" or not, I am not sure. I > casually wrote it. I cannot comment on your conclusion about > homosexuality. Pt. Sanjay Rath and Shiv Pujan are experts in > this area and they can draw correct conclusions without using > non-Jyotish techniques. Unfortunately, when Sanjay ji was > teaching these matters last year, I did not pay attention as > I was not interested. So I will leave homosexuality out of my > analysis. > > > Could he himself have been killed or murdered, with > > all those fixed stars indicating a voilent death? While I am sure > of > > the imprisonment and the role of the 12th house, courts normally do > > not award voilent death penalties. All that they do is award a > death > > penalty. > > It is pretty likely that he was imprisoned. Venus, who shows bad > results in several divisional charts, is in the 8th house in rasi > chart and his weaknesses led to a lot of secret activity in the > physical world. But the 12th has Rahu, and its lord Sun causes > combusion of lagna lord. He was most likely imprisoned. Why do > you say death penalty awarded by states is not violent? Why is > electrocution non-violent? > > Jupiter owns and aspects the 3rd from AL and it shows prior > knowledge of death. That agains suggests electrocution. How > can one have prior knowledge of any other kind of violent > death?! > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 > > Rahu in 3rd from A7 shows dushta marana (bad death). It is a > violent death that suddenly happens and catches him by shock > and surprise (Rahu!). So I was wrong on electrucution. That's > not likely with A7. > This seems to fit well with what I was trying to suggest all the while. Yes there is an element of shock and brutality involved here. I was a bit concerned when you brought Jupiter into the picture earlier. Regards, Satya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Hi, The latitudes and longitudes specified are that of Milwaukee, WI in the US. The concerned time zone is us central time -- 7 hours behind GMT. I cast the horoscope using JJ with these details and my ascendent comes out to be Libra! Just wanted to clear up my confusion. Maybe the place of birth is incorrect or maybe Ralf could reconfirm the latitudes-longitudes. Thanks and Regards, Vikrant vedic astrology, "krueger_ralf" <ani_ana@h...> wrote: > Please consider this a very sincere request to > understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works. > > I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person. > The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st > 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north, > Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west. > > Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds, > what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner > world, family, longevity. > > Regards, > RK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Well you are obviously not from US, Central Time is 6:00 hrs behind GMT, May 21 corresponds to Daylight Savings, so the time zone is 5 hrs behind GMT. The ascendant should be 26 Virgo. - "Vikrant Satam" <vikrantsatam <vedic astrology> Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:02 PM [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology > Hi, > > The latitudes and longitudes specified are that of Milwaukee, WI in > the US. The concerned time zone is us central time -- 7 hours behind > GMT. I cast the horoscope using JJ with these details and my > ascendent comes out to be Libra! > > Just wanted to clear up my confusion. Maybe the place of birth is > incorrect or maybe Ralf could reconfirm the latitudes-longitudes. > > Thanks and Regards, > Vikrant > > vedic astrology, "krueger_ralf" > <ani_ana@h...> wrote: > > Please consider this a very sincere request to > > understand and appreciate how Vedic astrology works. > > > > I am giving the birth data of a famous/infamous person. > > The person is a Caucasian male born on May 21st > > 1960 at 4.34 PM, Latitude: 42 degrees, 57 minutes north, > > Longitude: 87 degrees, 54 minutes west. > > > > Delineate the basic elements of his personality, his deeds, > > what might he have became known for, his psyche, inner > > world, family, longevity. > > > > Regards, > > RK > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Well this chart belongs to the serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer from Milwaukee. This is what I found from the net "Between his birth in may 21 1960 and his death at the hands of a fellow prison inmate in nov 28 1994, Jeffrey Dahmer gained notoriety for killing 17 men, for cannabalising parts of their bodies and for incorporating them into bizarre sexual rituals. He was a homosexual. His reign of terror lasted from 1978 - 1988". I remembered Moon in Revati in Sarpa drekkana and after reading PVR and Satya's analysis I remembered reading his chart analysis on a website. - "pvr108" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> <vedic astrology> Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:48 AM [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology > Namaste Satya,> > > I agree with most of your analysis, but not with the ladies bit.> > The word "ladies" was casually written. I never considered the> homosexuality angle. Based on the placement of Venus in rasi,> thrimsamsa and other charts, all I can say with a reasonable> level of confidence is that the native is a sexually> perverted rapist.> > There is a special divisional chart for sex drive and the> position of Venus in a particular house along with Saturn in > that chart suggests sadism in sexual matters. He likes> inflicting pain. Rahu and Ketu aspect Venus in that chart> too and it shows some shady and dark secret surrounding his> sex drive, apart from sadism.> > Regarding whether he raped "ladies" or not, I am not sure. I> casually wrote it. I cannot comment on your conclusion about> homosexuality. Pt. Sanjay Rath and Shiv Pujan are experts in> this area and they can draw correct conclusions without using> non-Jyotish techniques. Unfortunately, when Sanjay ji was> teaching these matters last year, I did not pay attention as> I was not interested. So I will leave homosexuality out of my> analysis.> > > Could he himself have been killed or murdered, with > > all those fixed stars indicating a voilent death? While I am sure > of > > the imprisonment and the role of the 12th house, courts normally do > > not award voilent death penalties. All that they do is award a > death > > penalty. > > It is pretty likely that he was imprisoned. Venus, who shows bad> results in several divisional charts, is in the 8th house in rasi> chart and his weaknesses led to a lot of secret activity in the> physical world. But the 12th has Rahu, and its lord Sun causes> combusion of lagna lord. He was most likely imprisoned. Why do> you say death penalty awarded by states is not violent? Why is> electrocution non-violent?> > Jupiter owns and aspects the 3rd from AL and it shows prior> knowledge of death. That agains suggests electrocution. How> can one have prior knowledge of any other kind of violent> death?!> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> Narasimha> > > > ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark> Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511> http://us.click./l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/.8XolB/TM> ---~->> > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Oh Yeah thanks Vikrant your email actually triggered by memory by mentioning that the latitude and longitude were of Milwaukee, WI. - Ravi Chivukula vedic astrology Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology Well this chart belongs to the serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer from Milwaukee. This is what I found from the net "Between his birth in may 21 1960 and his death at the hands of a fellow prison inmate in nov 28 1994, Jeffrey Dahmer gained notoriety for killing 17 men, for cannabalising parts of their bodies and for incorporating them into bizarre sexual rituals. He was a homosexual. His reign of terror lasted from 1978 - 1988". I remembered Moon in Revati in Sarpa drekkana and after reading PVR and Satya's analysis I remembered reading his chart analysis on a website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 And sorry.. I forgot to compliment Satya and Narasimha's excellent analysis of the chart. It was truly great and again proved their reputation as very good astrologers. - Ravi Chivukula vedic astrology Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:40 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology Oh Yeah thanks Vikrant your email actually triggered by memory by mentioning that the latitude and longitude were of Milwaukee, WI. - Ravi Chivukula vedic astrology Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology Well this chart belongs to the serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer from Milwaukee. This is what I found from the net "Between his birth in may 21 1960 and his death at the hands of a fellow prison inmate in nov 28 1994, Jeffrey Dahmer gained notoriety for killing 17 men, for cannabalising parts of their bodies and for incorporating them into bizarre sexual rituals. He was a homosexual. His reign of terror lasted from 1978 - 1988". I remembered Moon in Revati in Sarpa drekkana and after reading PVR and Satya's analysis I remembered reading his chart analysis on a website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 I have read about all the story.PVR & DR.Satya are very good at analysing charts. Good. Regards Raji Ravi Chivukula <ravichivukula (AT) arczip (DOT) com> wrote: And sorry.. I forgot to compliment Satya and Narasimha's excellent analysis of the chart. It was truly great and again proved their reputation as very good astrologers. - Ravi Chivukula vedic astrology Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:40 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology Oh Yeah thanks Vikrant your email actually triggered by memory by mentioning that the latitude and longitude were of Milwaukee, WI. - Ravi Chivukula vedic astrology Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:33 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology Well this chart belongs to the serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer from Milwaukee. This is what I found from the net "Between his birth in may 21 1960 and his death at the hands of a fellow prison inmate in nov 28 1994, Jeffrey Dahmer gained notoriety for killing 17 men, for cannabalising parts of their bodies and for incorporating them into bizarre sexual rituals. He was a homosexual. His reign of terror lasted from 1978 - 1988". I remembered Moon in Revati in Sarpa drekkana and after reading PVR and Satya's analysis I remembered reading his chart analysis on a website. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 Hi PVR ji and Dr.Satya, That was really something of a wonderful analysis, and also made for a wonderful reading. Jayashree vedic astrology, Rajeswari Shankar <rajeswarishankar> wrote: > Hi > > I have read about all the story.PVR & DR.Satya are very good at analysing charts. > Good. > > > Regards > Raji > > > Ravi Chivukula <ravichivukula@a...> wrote: > And sorry.. I forgot to compliment Satya and Narasimha's excellent analysis of the chart. It was truly great and again proved their reputation as very good astrologers. > > - > Ravi Chivukula > vedic astrology > Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:40 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology > > > Oh Yeah thanks Vikrant your email actually triggered by memory by mentioning that the latitude and longitude were of Milwaukee, WI. > - > Ravi Chivukula > vedic astrology > Wednesday, September 17, 2003 3:33 PM > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: A challenge to Vedic astrology > > > Well this chart belongs to the serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer from Milwaukee. This is what I found from the net "Between his birth in may 21 1960 and his death at the hands of a fellow prison inmate in nov 28 1994, Jeffrey Dahmer gained notoriety for killing 17 men, for cannabalising parts of their bodies and for incorporating them into bizarre sexual rituals. He was a homosexual. His reign of terror lasted from 1978 - 1988". > > I remembered Moon in Revati in Sarpa drekkana and after reading PVR and Satya's analysis I remembered reading his chart analysis on a website. > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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