Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Hi Tanvir, Thanks for your nice comments. I would further like to add that during transits of shani, a person has to go through down phase (sometimes as based on position os sani in chart) in life. Also these are my views about Shanidev. I am sharing here (according to best of my knowledge). Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and downtimes gives us some lessons that are used in later part of life. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem bad while bad period or low period is going, but that becomes the basis of good times ahead. One do the hardwork and thus gain knowledge and experience. Yes, it is true rough times are hard to sustain, but a there is a positive part also. One tends to think on different pattern. Thanks to sadhesati of Shani, otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked up astrology and devoted my time on that. Now atleast, I know some of the concepts of this art and as each day progresses, I get to learn new things. Now, I feel one should be positive about it. As Good times were gone, so will the bad times. But the low periods (in which one works more, and get less rewards and a lot of other struggles are there) paves the way for good times. And one last point, which I would like to add is that, When you get something after a lot of hard work, struggles, problems and patience. You really, really care for that and know its value in your life. So, Let us take this part as also positive. If I used anything wrong, or away from the truth. Kindly correct me by giving your suggestions. regards, Neeraj I am just trying to look from a positive point of view. --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > Dear members, > > 1. This article is available with images at > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro/articles/saturn.htm > 2. Any comments, suggestions and guidance from the > learned and senior members and Gurus will be welcome > and appreciated. > > Saturn - Sani Dev > > > Astronomical facts > > Saturn is the sixth planet from the sun and is also > the second largest planet, with a radius of 37,366 > miles. It is said to have a small core of rock and > iron, then a layer of ice and lastly topped by a > deep layer of liquid hydrogen. > > Saturn is different from other known planets for the > rings it has. No planet in this solar system has > rings like Saturn does. The rings consist of small > pieces of ice and rock, are 62,000 kilometers wide > but just 100 meters thick. The rings are actually > made of thousands of closely spaced ringlets, > looking like a gramophone record disk. > > Saturn has 22 known natural satellites, more than > any other planet does. > > Vedic Astrological view > > While in this era of science, talking about the > 'Physical Saturn', we must not also forget about the > 'Spiritual Saturn' having (Even a little) knowledge > of Vedic concepts. From the Vedic point of view, the > physical Saturn is only a representation of Sani Dev > / Shanaischaram (Saturn God). By the movement of the > physical Saturn, we understand the intention of > Saturn God (Sani) about us. Saturn God is the > natural ruler of karma, and to understand our own > karma, we must first understand Sani. > > Sani is one of the three children of Sun and Chaya > Devi. From the Vedic texts, we can learn a lot about > Sani. Many times the power of his gaze have been > mentioned in the classics. We learn that right after > Sani was born, his gaze caused Sun's charioteer to > fall down and break his thigh; Sun's horses to get > blind; and Sun himself caught vitiligo for Sani's > powerful gaze on him. They were healed only when > Sani moved his gaze away and looked at somewhere > else. > > This clarifies the power which Sani has in his gaze. > > In Jyotish, Sani is considered a very malefic > planet. The nine planets are the incarnation of Lord > to bestow us the result of our karma - which are the > lessons we need to learn. And most of the times, the > toughest lessons are taught by Sani. In our school, > we always have different teachers for different > subjects like Math, Language, Physics etc. Just like > that, different planets teach us different kind of > lessons, and most of the times the teacher Sani > teaches us very painful lessons. This is not > something to doubt when we learn from the BPHS that > Sani is the natural giver of grief. > > In general, Sani is considered the most malefic > planet, and the most painful, stressful yogas > involve Sani most of the times. When Sani maleficly > affect something, it slows the matter down, and > causes obstructuions and delays in it's > fruitfulness. Sani also rules separation, it hurts > us by taking things away from us. When we face a > painful separation from our parents, spouse, friends > or anyone we care for, Sani is always a possibility > for that. Ketu also causes separation as it rules > non-attachement, but separations and delays are > among the main significations of Sani. It's > association with venus / 7th lord causes separation > from spouse most of the times. Though the final > comment should be made seeing Sani's strength, > placement and lordship, as for Taurus and Libra > natives Sani is a functional benefic being a Yoga > karaka. But even then Sani will not forget to remind > his nature sometimes. That is my personal view on > this. > > Sani is a planet of Tamasic quality. It is a planet > of extreme nature. When it favours someone, it gives > very favourable effects. Oppositely, when anyone > receives it's curse, undescribable pain and miseries > he or she faces in life. Sani purifies a person by > giving immense sorrow and pain, as fire purifies the > gold. > > Favourable effects of Sani on one's nature include > in-depth knowledge, sensibility, wisdom, justice, > broadness of mind, honesty, patience, ability to > work hard etc. In life, he may give wealth, fortune, > long life etc. when auspicious and well placed. > > On the other hand, when badly afflicting a person's > nature, Sani can make one sadistic, greedy, lazy, > dishonest, fearful, irresponsable and even addicted > to drugs. Sani causes obstruction, delay, grief, > poverty, short life etc. It makes a person totally > lonely, helpless and can make one suffer from > enmity, theft, lawsuits etc. Sani can also give > imprisonment since it rules obstruction, lonelyness > and grief. > > In our bodies, Sani mainly rules bones, nails, teeth > etc. Sani gives chronic diseases as the person > suffers for a long time - again showing his nature > of slowness and delays. > > When badly effecting one's profession, Sani makes > one work very hard but does not give the proper > reward he deserves. That is why social servants and > people who earn their living by physical labour are > ruled by Sani. This is because Sani rules the Sudras > (4th caste). As per BPHS, Sani abodes in filthy > places. > > For the power of his gaze, Sani has tremendous > afflicting ability by his mere aspects, which he > casts on 3rd, 7th and 10th houses from his own > position. > > Among other planets used in Vedic Astrology, Saturn > is the last one counted from Sun's position. That is > why Sani Dev rules 'The last' or 'The end' of > anything. In our material world, death is the end of > everything, and that is why, Sani rules death and > longevity issues. It is the natural significator of > 8th house in astrology. We know that 8th house deals > with sorrows, depressions and occult. That is why > Sani also deals with Magic, Tantra, Jyotish etc. > > Sani was lamed by another son of the Sun, named Yama > (God of death) when he hit Sani in his leg. So Sani > is always very slow in his movement. One name of > Sani, as I already mentioned, is 'Shanaischaram' > which means the slow mover. He takes around 2.5 > years to pass through a sign, thus he takes around > 30 years to complete the travel over the whole > zodiac. So he rules slowness, patience etc. > > The great phase (Maha Dasha) of Sani lasts for 19 > years. Even than the Maha Dasha, Sani gets the > strong hold of a person by his transit over the > 12th, 1st and 2nd signs from his or her natal Moon. > This is called 'Sade Sati' since it lasts for about > 7.5 years. > > Sani lords over the signs Capricorn (Makara) and > Aquarius (Kumbha) with Aquarius being his > Mooltrikona sign. He is exalted in Libra and > debilitated in Aries. His natural friends are > Mercury, Venus and Rahu. while enemies are Sun, > Moon, Mars and Ketu. He has neutral relationship > with Dev Guru Jupiter. He is ruler of the three > nakshatras named Pushya (8), Anuradha (17) and > Uttara Bhadrapada (26). He rules 8 in the numbers, > Saturday in the weekdays, and aqua, blue and black > in colours. His favourite gemstone is blue saphhire > wearing which strengthens Sani's effect on a person. > > The pacification ways of Sani Dev include donation > of black clothes, mustard oil, black daal, sesame > etc. to the poor and helping and serving the old and > needy people since Sani signifies all these. Maha > Rishi Parasara suggests donating a black cow or > feeding Brahmins with rice cooked with powder of > sesame seeds to appease Sani Dev. Chanting Sri > Chamakam is said to be the best remedy for Sade > Sati. Maha Mrityunjaya and prayers to Lord Hamuman > also help a lot to pacify the malefic Sani. > > May Shani Dev be pleased with us and grant us with > knowledge, peace and happines. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > ===== http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. 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Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Hi All, Here's what I have experienced so far(for Taurus, Capricorn, Libra and Aquarius Lagnas only): For Capricorn and Aquarius, Shani is Lagna Lord and when favourably placed in Libra, Capricorn or Aquarius, then it gives god financial benefits during its dasa and anatar-dasas especially during Saturn/saturn period, assuming that Saturn is not Atamkaraka, or otherwise afflicted or combust. For Libra Lagna, Shani is 4th and 5th Lord(Yogakaraka) and for Taurus its 9th and 10th Lord(yogakaraka), so similarly good results can happen during Saturn/Saturn period if Saturn is placed in Libra, Capricorn or Aquarius, assuming that Saturn is not Atamkaraka, or otherwise afflicted or combust. Now if we add Saturn's transits from natal moon( Kantaka Shani, Sapatama Shani, Ashtama Shani, Dasama Shani and Sade Sathi )for above Lagnas, then the scenario becomes somewhat more complicated during Saturn periods..that means benefits and challenges at the same time. I think Kantaka Shani and Ashatama Shani are the most cruel transits, (for Taurus, Capricorn, Libra and Aquarius Lagnas) when not passing through Satun/Saturn period i.e, say you are passing through anatra- dasas of other planets in Saturn Mahadasa or passing through antardasas of other planets in Other Planets mahadasas …that means that the advantage of Saturn's placement in in Libra, Capricorn or Aquarius is reduced now and the Transit Saturn and current antar-dasa controls the state of affairs now…So now people with other Lagnas and People with Taurus, Libra, Capricorn and Aquarius Lagna are on same level field i.e, Everyone gets to face the harsh effects of Saturn's Transits.. Even then people with favourable placement of Shani will somehow survive and lead a normal life, if not great life. So Natal Saturn is still somewhat favourable for some people even when its harmful in transits. So while some faced very harsh effects, others simply learnt new tough lessons which were less harsher in nature. So the Great Teacher did not really spare anyone… ...regards...Rajesh. vedic astrology, Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > Hi Tanvir, > > Thanks for your nice comments. I would further like to > add that during transits of shani, a person has to go > through down phase (sometimes as based on position os > sani in chart) in life. Also these are my views about > Shanidev. I am sharing here (according to best of my > knowledge). > > Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and downtimes > gives us some lessons that are used in later part of > life. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem bad > while bad period or low period is going, but that > becomes the basis of good times ahead. One do the > hardwork and thus gain knowledge and experience. Yes, > it is true rough times are hard to sustain, but a > there is a positive part also. One tends to think on > different pattern. Thanks to sadhesati of Shani, > otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked up > astrology and devoted my time on that. Now atleast, I > know some of the concepts of this art and as each day > progresses, I get to learn new things. > > Now, I feel one should be positive about it. As Good > times were gone, so will the bad times. But the low > periods (in which one works more, and get less rewards > and a lot of other struggles are there) paves the way > for good times. > > And one last point, which I would like to add is that, > When you get something after a lot of hard work, > struggles, problems and patience. You really, really > care for that and know its value in your life. So, Let > us take this part as also positive. > > If I used anything wrong, or away from the truth. > Kindly correct me by giving your suggestions. > > regards, > > Neeraj > > I am just trying to look from a positive point of > view. > --- Tanvir <tanvir@s...> wrote: > > Dear members, > > > > 1. This article is available with images at > > > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro/articles/saturn.htm > > 2. Any comments, suggestions and guidance from the > > learned and senior members and Gurus will be welcome > > and appreciated. > > > > Saturn - Sani Dev > > > > > > Astronomical facts > > > > Saturn is the sixth planet from the sun and is also > > the second largest planet, with a radius of 37,366 > > miles. It is said to have a small core of rock and > > iron, then a layer of ice and lastly topped by a > > deep layer of liquid hydrogen. > > > > Saturn is different from other known planets for the > > rings it has. No planet in this solar system has > > rings like Saturn does. The rings consist of small > > pieces of ice and rock, are 62,000 kilometers wide > > but just 100 meters thick. The rings are actually > > made of thousands of closely spaced ringlets, > > looking like a gramophone record disk. > > > > Saturn has 22 known natural satellites, more than > > any other planet does. > > > > Vedic Astrological view > > > > While in this era of science, talking about the > > 'Physical Saturn', we must not also forget about the > > 'Spiritual Saturn' having (Even a little) knowledge > > of Vedic concepts. From the Vedic point of view, the > > physical Saturn is only a representation of Sani Dev > > / Shanaischaram (Saturn God). By the movement of the > > physical Saturn, we understand the intention of > > Saturn God (Sani) about us. Saturn God is the > > natural ruler of karma, and to understand our own > > karma, we must first understand Sani. > > > > Sani is one of the three children of Sun and Chaya > > Devi. From the Vedic texts, we can learn a lot about > > Sani. Many times the power of his gaze have been > > mentioned in the classics. We learn that right after > > Sani was born, his gaze caused Sun's charioteer to > > fall down and break his thigh; Sun's horses to get > > blind; and Sun himself caught vitiligo for Sani's > > powerful gaze on him. They were healed only when > > Sani moved his gaze away and looked at somewhere > > else. > > > > This clarifies the power which Sani has in his gaze. > > > > In Jyotish, Sani is considered a very malefic > > planet. The nine planets are the incarnation of Lord > > to bestow us the result of our karma - which are the > > lessons we need to learn. And most of the times, the > > toughest lessons are taught by Sani. In our school, > > we always have different teachers for different > > subjects like Math, Language, Physics etc. Just like > > that, different planets teach us different kind of > > lessons, and most of the times the teacher Sani > > teaches us very painful lessons. This is not > > something to doubt when we learn from the BPHS that > > Sani is the natural giver of grief. > > > > In general, Sani is considered the most malefic > > planet, and the most painful, stressful yogas > > involve Sani most of the times. When Sani maleficly > > affect something, it slows the matter down, and > > causes obstructuions and delays in it's > > fruitfulness. Sani also rules separation, it hurts > > us by taking things away from us. When we face a > > painful separation from our parents, spouse, friends > > or anyone we care for, Sani is always a possibility > > for that. Ketu also causes separation as it rules > > non-attachement, but separations and delays are > > among the main significations of Sani. It's > > association with venus / 7th lord causes separation > > from spouse most of the times. Though the final > > comment should be made seeing Sani's strength, > > placement and lordship, as for Taurus and Libra > > natives Sani is a functional benefic being a Yoga > > karaka. But even then Sani will not forget to remind > > his nature sometimes. That is my personal view on > > this. > > > > Sani is a planet of Tamasic quality. It is a planet > > of extreme nature. When it favours someone, it gives > > very favourable effects. Oppositely, when anyone > > receives it's curse, undescribable pain and miseries > > he or she faces in life. Sani purifies a person by > > giving immense sorrow and pain, as fire purifies the > > gold. > > > > Favourable effects of Sani on one's nature include > > in-depth knowledge, sensibility, wisdom, justice, > > broadness of mind, honesty, patience, ability to > > work hard etc. In life, he may give wealth, fortune, > > long life etc. when auspicious and well placed. > > > > On the other hand, when badly afflicting a person's > > nature, Sani can make one sadistic, greedy, lazy, > > dishonest, fearful, irresponsable and even addicted > > to drugs. Sani causes obstruction, delay, grief, > > poverty, short life etc. It makes a person totally > > lonely, helpless and can make one suffer from > > enmity, theft, lawsuits etc. Sani can also give > > imprisonment since it rules obstruction, lonelyness > > and grief. > > > > In our bodies, Sani mainly rules bones, nails, teeth > > etc. Sani gives chronic diseases as the person > > suffers for a long time - again showing his nature > > of slowness and delays. > > > > When badly effecting one's profession, Sani makes > > one work very hard but does not give the proper > > reward he deserves. That is why social servants and > > people who earn their living by physical labour are > > ruled by Sani. This is because Sani rules the Sudras > > (4th caste). As per BPHS, Sani abodes in filthy > > places. > > > > For the power of his gaze, Sani has tremendous > > afflicting ability by his mere aspects, which he > > casts on 3rd, 7th and 10th houses from his own > > position. > > > > Among other planets used in Vedic Astrology, Saturn > > is the last one counted from Sun's position. That is > > why Sani Dev rules 'The last' or 'The end' of > > anything. In our material world, death is the end of > > everything, and that is why, Sani rules death and > > longevity issues. It is the natural significator of > > 8th house in astrology. We know that 8th house deals > > with sorrows, depressions and occult. That is why > > Sani also deals with Magic, Tantra, Jyotish etc. > > > > Sani was lamed by another son of the Sun, named Yama > > (God of death) when he hit Sani in his leg. So Sani > > is always very slow in his movement. One name of > > Sani, as I already mentioned, is 'Shanaischaram' > > which means the slow mover. He takes around 2.5 > > years to pass through a sign, thus he takes around > > 30 years to complete the travel over the whole > > zodiac. So he rules slowness, patience etc. > > > > The great phase (Maha Dasha) of Sani lasts for 19 > > years. Even than the Maha Dasha, Sani gets the > > strong hold of a person by his transit over the > > 12th, 1st and 2nd signs from his or her natal Moon. > > This is called 'Sade Sati' since it lasts for about > > 7.5 years. > > > > Sani lords over the signs Capricorn (Makara) and > > Aquarius (Kumbha) with Aquarius being his > > Mooltrikona sign. He is exalted in Libra and > > debilitated in Aries. His natural friends are > > Mercury, Venus and Rahu. while enemies are Sun, > > Moon, Mars and Ketu. He has neutral relationship > > with Dev Guru Jupiter. He is ruler of the three > > nakshatras named Pushya (8), Anuradha (17) and > > Uttara Bhadrapada (26). He rules 8 in the numbers, > > Saturday in the weekdays, and aqua, blue and black > > in colours. His favourite gemstone is blue saphhire > > wearing which strengthens Sani's effect on a person. > > > > The pacification ways of Sani Dev include donation > > of black clothes, mustard oil, black daal, sesame > > etc. to the poor and helping and serving the old and > > needy people since Sani signifies all these. Maha > > Rishi Parasara suggests donating a black cow or > > feeding Brahmins with rice cooked with powder of > > sesame seeds to appease Sani Dev. Chanting Sri > > Chamakam is said to be the best remedy for Sade > > Sati. Maha Mrityunjaya and prayers to Lord Hamuman > > also help a lot to pacify the malefic Sani. > > > > May Shani Dev be pleased with us and grant us with > > knowledge, peace and happines. > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury > > tanvir@s... > > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > > > > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Dear Neeraj, Thanks for your post about positive views on Saturn. Both views are needed in life :-) Please see below for my replies. >>>>Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and downtimesgives us some lessons that are used in later part oflife. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem badwhile bad period or low period is going, but thatbecomes the basis of good times ahead.<<<< Sade Sati, not necessarily will give good at last. I can not agree to this. Sade Sati is simple a bad transit - which makes people suffer. If you benefit from it, it will be for other influences on Saturn. But it is not compulsory / sure that Sade Sati makes people suffer to make the basis of good time. Do not you think that? Basically, from it's self nature, Sade Sati is bad. If Sade Sati was good to make the basis of future good time, the learned Gurus here (Vedic-Astrology list) would not give remedies for Sade Sati. They would advice us to endure this. Do not you think so?Even Guru Sanjay Jee suffered for Sade Sati as he already mentioned that is why he suggested Sri Chamakam so that any other person does not suffer for this. >>> One do thehardwork and thus gain knowledge and experience. <<< There are many kind of experience. But in this material world, we never like to get touch experiences. Do we? When you think from religious side, then every suffering and tough times are lessons which we need. Then, you can say that Saturn is not bad. But actually, then no planets are bad. Because suffering might come from any planet and from a spiritual sense all sufferings are needed for us that is why no planet is bad in that sense. Planets are the incarnation of Lord remember, to give us our Karma phaal. >>>Yes,it is true rough times are hard to sustain, but athere is a positive part also. One tends to think ondifferent pattern. <<< Not necessarily Sade Sati will make you learn to think positive. It depends on other matters! Sade Sati itself does not hold the nature. Please do not make this mistake. >>>Thanks to sadhesati of Shani,otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked upastrology and devoted my time on that. Now atleast, Iknow some of the concepts of this art and as each dayprogresses, I get to learn new things.<<< Again, do not think that Sade Sati made you learn astrology. That would be a very big mistake to think that!! All people go through Sade Sati if they live a general span of life. But how many people get into astrology? Please never make this mistake. There are combinations for spiritual knowledge or astrology knowledge what is being discussed currently in the 'Vedic-astrology' list. Spiritual knowledge or Jyotish is indicated from other ways Neeraj. You must have those indications in your chart. Thousands of Sade Sati will not get you into astrology unless indicated in your chart in those ways.>>>Now, I feel one should be positive about it. As Goodtimes were gone, so will the bad times. But the lowperiods (in which one works more, and get less rewardsand a lot of other struggles are there) paves the wayfor good times.And one last point, which I would like to add is that,When you get something after a lot of hard work,struggles, problems and patience. You really, reallycare for that and know its value in your life. So, Letus take this part as also positive.<<< That is good. I wish that people suffer for Sade Sati would get the benfit for this suffering. But I do not think that they get the benefit always. When you use hard work, perseverence, patience to get a reward, that is a positive of Saturn Neeraj. But negative Saturn gives you almost nothing (Than lessons) for the sufferings. Please do not make this mistake.>>I am just trying to look from a positive point of view.<< Great! In life, or even in astrology, never use "only positive" or "only negative" views! You can never judge something then, nor can you make good predictions!! Try to judge "As it really is". That would be better. It is not the nature of Sade Sati to make you learn astrology. RegardsTanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Dear Friend, I am a new member of your group therefore i rewuest you to please forgive me if i make any mistake in my postings. Sani (Saturn) is a karmic planet and gives us karmic lessons as per our karma which are based on our will. While doing good deeds we remain humble - i believe its true. But at times when we go out of the way for our gain-then we take wrong steps one way or the other. While that time passes on very well till our good fate prevails. Ones we are in the clutches of lord saturn then he makes us suffer our wrong doings (which were willful). During the Sadesati Saturn gives good as well as bad lessons or which come a hard way depending upon our past deeds. Therefore, one should not forget the consequences on committing wrong things. Sincere Regards, Prakash Kandpal --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > Dear Neeraj, > > Thanks for your post about positive views on Saturn. Both > views are needed in life :-) > > Please see below for my replies. > >>>>Also, Ups and Downs are part of life and downtimes > gives us some lessons that are used in later part of > life. Also it gives a struggle, which may seem bad > while bad period or low period is going, but that > becomes the basis of good times ahead.<<<< > > Sade Sati, not necessarily will give good at last. I > can not agree to this. Sade Sati is simple a bad transit > - which makes people suffer. If you benefit from it, it > will be for other influences on Saturn. But it is not > compulsory / sure that Sade Sati makes people suffer to > make the basis of good time. Do not you think that? > Basically, from it's self nature, Sade Sati is bad. > > If Sade Sati was good to make the basis of future good > time, the learned Gurus here (Vedic-Astrology list) would > not give remedies for Sade Sati. They would advice us to > endure this. Do not you think so? > > Even Guru Sanjay Jee suffered for Sade Sati as he > already mentioned that is why he suggested Sri Chamakam > so that any other person does not suffer for this. > > >>> One do the > hardwork and thus gain knowledge and experience. <<< > > There are many kind of experience. But in this material > world, we never like to get touch experiences. Do we? > > When you think from religious side, then every > suffering and tough times are lessons which we need. > Then, you can say that Saturn is not bad. But actually, > then no planets are bad. Because suffering might come > from any planet and from a spiritual sense all sufferings > are needed for us that is why no planet is bad in that > sense. Planets are the incarnation of Lord remember, to > give us our Karma phaal. > > >>>Yes, > it is true rough times are hard to sustain, but a > there is a positive part also. One tends to think on > different pattern. <<< > > Not necessarily Sade Sati will make you learn to think > positive. It depends on other matters! Sade Sati itself > does not hold the nature. Please do not make this > mistake. > > >>>Thanks to sadhesati of Shani, > otherwise, I guess, I would have never picked up > astrology and devoted my time on that. Now atleast, I > know some of the concepts of this art and as each day > progresses, I get to learn new things.<<< > > Again, do not think that Sade Sati made you learn > astrology. That would be a very big mistake to think > that!! All people go through Sade Sati if they live a > general span of life. But how many people get into > astrology? Please never make this mistake. There are > combinations for spiritual knowledge or astrology > knowledge what is being discussed currently in the > 'Vedic-astrology' list. Spiritual knowledge or Jyotish is > indicated from other ways Neeraj. You must have those > indications in your chart. Thousands of Sade Sati will > not get you into astrology unless indicated in your chart > in those ways. > > >>>Now, I feel one should be positive about it. As Good > times were gone, so will the bad times. But the low > periods (in which one works more, and get less rewards > and a lot of other struggles are there) paves the way > for good times. > > And one last point, which I would like to add is that, > When you get something after a lot of hard work, > struggles, problems and patience. You really, really > care for that and know its value in your life. So, Let > us take this part as also positive.<<< > > That is good. I wish that people suffer for Sade Sati > would get the benfit for this suffering. But I do not > think that they get the benefit always. When you use hard > work, perseverence, patience to get a reward, that is a > positive of Saturn Neeraj. But negative Saturn gives you > almost nothing (Than lessons) for the sufferings. Please > do not make this mistake. > > >>I am just trying to look from a positive point of > view.<< > > Great! In life, or even in astrology, never use "only > positive" or "only negative" views! You can never judge > something then, nor can you make good predictions!! Try > to judge "As it really is". That would be better. It is > not the nature of Sade Sati to make you learn astrology. > > Regards > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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