Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sushmita, I have tried to answer your questions below and I hope to be corrected by the Gurus where ever I have gone wrong.Please scroll below: > >Dear Learned members, > >Dear Visti, Sarajit and Narasimha and others, > >Could someone pls explain the theory of UL completely. UL:Upa pada Lagna:This is the arudha of the 12th house.The arudha as given by Jaimini states that for each house an arudha pada can be calculated.The arudha of the 12th house is seen for married life.This is so because the 12th house apart from alot of other things also deals with giving.Marriage is a commitment and hence in a marriage we give,this giving could be our word of commitment ,love,sharing our life and material comforts etc.Hence,even though the 7th house and lord are seen in a chart in some matters regarding the spouse, to know about the spouse the upapada is seen.The lord of the upa pada shows us alot about our spouse.The UL also shows us about our marrige.The 8th house from the UL shows the success or failure of marriage in the long run. Similarly, the indications of the 2nd house from the Upapada will even more vividly indicate the outcome of marriage.The relationship between the UL and the AL also gives us the picture about the relationship or quality of the marriage. So, UL becomes very important when we want to see the married life as it is the arudha of our commitment of marriage.However,this concept can be a bit flexible when we look at the various varghas,for example, the UL in D 10 will show what our colleagues think of our spouse. Additionally, >I have some doubts :- > >1. Can anyone fast on the days on UL lord, are there certain kinds of >combinations by which one can't fast on UL days. The concept of fasting is to give .When we fast we give up our food for our prayer or what ever we are fasting for.In most cases fasting on the UL day indicates our dedication to our commitment or the need to have a commitment.In rare cases where the UL is greatly afflicted one may be advised not to fast on this day.For example, if Rahu is present in the UL and along with some other afflictions and the married life has a very negetive influence in the natives life perhaps its not the best thing to be more giving to Rahu and the native may be reqired tobe stronger in terms to face the Rahu in thier life.So,its important to study the various aspects of the UL. 2. If there are two lords then should the fasting be of the strongest >co lord or weakest. If the UL falls in Scorpio,lorded by Mars and Ketu,the fast is done on Tuesday.If it falls in Aquarius lorded by Saturn and Rahu then the fast is done on Saturday.If there are planets in the UL the fast is still done on the day of the lord of the UL.However,while calculating the UL the stronger lord is seen. >3. What are the exact benefits of fasting on UL days. Fasting on UL days indicates ones dedication to the need for the commitment and also to pacify the planet.This results in improving the relationship which is already present or may bring the spouse to the native sooner in case of the single person.So while fasting on the UL lord's day we are praying for the better ment of our marriage or for it to happen in our life. >4. Is there any particular type of fast that one needs to keep, only >fruits or only water or no water or does it change from planet to >planet. The general fast involves allowing the native to have Saatwik food through the day.This is fruit,milk,water,juices etc.At times one may keep a more severe fast with only water,this is up to the native. >5. Recently a member used the term Gauna Pada, what is the meaning of >Gauna exactly. Upa pada is also called Gauna Pada.The renunciation of marriage or spouse is also seen from the Gauna Pada. >6. Can people fast on AL days also, would this help in increasing of >image, status and does it depend on some factors. Fasting on AL days is not advisable.When we fast we are giving up something.Do we want to give up our image or arudha?If we did give up our image or arudha in this world what is one left with? >7. Does one need to fast for different periods for different planets, >I heard for Saturn it is 16 weeks { one day per week } and for >other planets diff counts. If Saturn is the lord of upa pada then the fast should be done on a Saturday.At times the fast may be done as per the dasa or till there is a change in the dasa period or till the problem is resolved. >8. If a girl is unmarried due to various doshas can she get married >by fasting on UL days. Fasting on UL days would defintaley bring the spouse to her sooner.It may also resolve some of the doshas depending on the afflictions.Though in some cases this may not be enough and other remedies may be required. >9. Should the fasting be from sunrise to sunset or sunrise to next >sunrise, does it depend on the planet day. The usual upa pada fast if from sunrise to sunset.At sunset the native may break the fast and eat a regular vegetarian meal. I hope the above helps.You can also read more on the link given below which has a lesson by Guru Sanjay Rath on upa pada. http://.org/lessons/upapada.htm Best Wishes, Kanupriya. >I hope I get a reply pls. > >Warm regards, > >Sush > Take this "News" quiz. Win cool prizes. Click 'n play! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Jaya JagannathDear Gurudev, On the matter of giving (sacrifice/ offering ), I like the following sloka from Bhagavat Gita. iñöänbhogänhi vo devä däsyante yajïabhävitäù |tairdattänapradäyaibhyo yo bhuìkte stena eva saù || 3-12|| (Use URW Palladio IT font) The gods satisfied by sacrifice will surely award you with the necessities of life, but he who enjoys the things given without offering is certainly a thief. ||3-12|| So we all much all learn to give. Self denial can only make us spiritual. Thank you for sharing so much information in the mail. PranaamSarajit - Sanjay Rath vedic astrology Sunday, May 11, 2003 12:16 AM RE: [vedic astrology] Fasting on UL days ||Om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Kanu, How are you doing? Please use some colors which are less strainous to the eye next time. Try true blue - black is the best. Excellent work I must say. Just think more on the points I have indicated. comments below: With best wishes I remain Sanjay Rath -------- Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: http://srath.com -------- kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:08 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Fasting on UL days Om Gurave Namah Dear Sushmita, I have tried to answer your questions below and I hope to be corrected by the Gurus where ever I have gone wrong.Please scroll below: > >Dear Learned members, > >Dear Visti, Sarajit and Narasimha and others, > >Could someone pls explain the theory of UL completely. [Kanu] UL:Upa pada Lagna:This is the arudha of the 12th house.The arudha as given by Jaimini states that for each house an arudha pada can be calculated.The arudha of the 12th house is seen for married life.This is so because the 12th house apart from alot of other things also deals with giving.Marriage is a commitment and hence in a marriage we give,this giving could be our word of commitment ,love,sharing our life and material comforts etc.Hence,even though the 7th house and lord are seen in a chart in some matters regarding the spouse, to know about the spouse the upapada is seen.The lord of the upa pada shows us alot about our spouse.The UL also shows us about our marrige.The 8th house from the UL shows the success or failure of marriage in the long run. Similarly, the indications of the 2nd house from the Upapada will even more vividly indicate the outcome of marriage.The relationship between the UL and the AL also gives us the picture about the relationship or quality of the marriage. So, UL becomes very important when we want to see the married life as it is the arudha of our commitment of marriage.However,this concept can be a bit flexible when we look at the various varghas,for example, the UL in D 10 will show what our colleagues think of our spouse. [Rath:] The concept of Upapada has been explained in the incarnation of dattatreya. http://srath.com/hindu/datta_upanisad.htm Basically, human beings (manushya) are selfish and cannot give. They have to be taught to give and this giving is the essence of spiritual learning for a manushya. Giving is seen from the 12th house. The manifestation of giving or 'who will you give to' is seen from the Arudha pada of the 12th house. By the way, this is given both in Parasara and Jaimini sutra. In fact it is Parasara who has dedicated a whole chapter to this. When reckoned form lagna, the upapada will represent the spouse and the fifth therefrom will represent the children to whom you give. Similarly, the moon represents the Mana and your society/family at large. The Upapada reckoned from chandra lagna is also called Chandra Upapada and here the giving is to the society, family and in the spiritual sence to the Pitris. The purest material form of the Moon is water and that is why water (chandra/soma) is given (upapada) to the pitris with the gayatri mantra (24 syllable-12 house). Extending this theory further to the Sun, the Surya Upapada (Arudha of the 12th house from the Sun) will represent what we give to the whole world at large, to the devatas, to the Gurus and the spiritual master. Offering a lamp (Agni/Sun) to the deity is the best material thing to give. this is the basic concept of the Upapada. Lordships and other things can be learnt from Parasara. If the lord of UL is exalted and strong, then the spouse is from a powerful/rich family. If debilitated and weak, then poor/weak family. Thus the avastha and status of the lord of Upapada will indicate the avastha/status of the family of the spouse (in the Rasi chart of course..what about navamsa?) Now we have a clearer picture that the definition of marriage according to the maharishis is to find a person of the opposite sex to whom you will give everything and keep giving with joy without any expectations. Next comes the story of Adam's apple. Who has asked the husband and wife to have physical intimacy? from where did this come into the Upapada picture? How do you know that your wife is your *real* wife and how do we differentiate her from others? It is from the face, and that is why we have photographs of the face in passports for identification. Now look at Jaimini's brilliance. "If Rahu is in the second from the seventh lord from Upapada, then the native has protruding teeth" (!!!). The Upapada was meant to be the partner who we shall give to, and then we decided that we might as well have a litle bit of physical intimacy (7th house from Upapada) and what attracted or identified? Itwas the face. The second house (face/mouth etc) from the seventh lord from Upapada shows the facial features and expressions that shall attract or repel the spouse. ....there is a lot to Upapada. Where does the spouse come into the picture in Dasamsa?? Why drag your spouse into your office? If UL has anything to do with the 10th house/lord in the Rasi chart then the spouse has some link to the office, else he/she is a part of personal life. Additionally, >I have some doubts :- > >1. Can anyone fast on the days on UL lord, are there certain kinds of combinations by which one can't fast on UL days. [Kanu] The concept of fasting is to give .When we fast we give up our food for our prayer or what ever we are fasting for.In most cases fasting on the UL day indicates our dedication to our commitment or the need to have a commitment.In rare cases where the UL is greatly afflicted one may be advised not to fast on this day.For example, if Rahu is present in the UL and along with some other afflictions and the married life has a very negetive influence in the natives life perhaps its not the best thing to be more giving to Rahu and the native may be reqired tobe stronger in terms to face the Rahu in thier life.So,its important to study the various aspects of the UL. [Rath:] No way Kanu. Everyone can and should fast on the days of the lord of the Upapada. One of my old students has Rahu in Scorpio in Upapada and I advised him not to marry. If he has to marry then he has to keep Upapada fast for at least one year. he has sincerely done that and worshipped Narayana, so his marriage is stable. 2. If there are two lords then should the fasting be of the strongest co lord or weakest. [Kanu] If the UL falls in Scorpio,lorded by Mars and Ketu,the fast is done on Tuesday.If it falls in Aquarius lorded by Saturn and Rahu then the fast is done on Saturday.If there are planets in the UL the fast is still done on the day of the lord of the UL.However,while calculating the UL the stronger lord is seen. [Rath:] Even if there are two lords, the day indicated by them will be the same. Aquarius has Rahu & Sat - both indicate saturday. Scorpio has Mars & Ketu - both indicate tuesday. >3. What are the exact benefits of fasting on UL days. [Kanu] Fasting on UL days indicates ones dedication to the need for the commitment and also to pacify the planet.This results in improving the relationship which is already present or may bring the spouse to the native sooner in case of the single person.So while fasting on the UL lord's day we are praying for the better ment of our marriage or for it to happen in our life. [Rath:] Spouse is in best behaviour and is always going to be nice to you. Thats right Kanu..marriage is quick and all badhak to marriage vanishes. >4. Is there any particular type of fast that one needs to keep, only fruits or only water or no water or does it change from planet to planet. [Kanu] The general fast involves allowing the native to have Saatwik food through the day.This is fruit,milk,water,juices etc.At times one may keep a more severe fast with only water,this is up to the native. [Rath:] No way..eating and fasting cannot go hand in hand. No food at all. Since the sun is always beneficial to the Upapada (standard rule), the fasting is done with the Sun as sakshi (witness) and is from sunrise to sunset. I know a person who said he had acidity problem and all kinds of stories and so I allowed him to have some fruit juices and uncooked food...he ate a crate of mangoes on the day of the fast! Is this fasting. in fact the thought of fasting made him more hungry and gluttonous. No, this is not right. >5. Recently a member used the term Gauna Pada, what is the meaning of Gauna exactly. [Kanu] Upa pada is also called Gauna Pada.The renunciation of marriage or spouse is also seen from the Gauna Pada.[Rath:] ??? (Smile) One of the meanings (aaparant) is from a literal translation of the word as secondary and this means that the Upapada is to be studied second after Arudha/Pada Lagna, or it is secondary after AL. >6. Can people fast on AL days also, would this help in increasing of image, status and does it depend on some factors. [Kanu] Fasting on AL days is not advisable.When we fast we are giving up something.Do we want to give up our image or arudha?If we did give up our image or arudha in this world what is one left with? [Rath:] Consider the question from this angle - would fasting on AL days make us more spiritual? >7. Does one need to fast for different periods for different planets, I heard for Saturn it is 16 weeks { one day per week } and for other planets diff counts. [Kanu] If Saturn is the lord of upa pada then the fast should be done on a Saturday.At times the fast may be done as per the dasa or till there is a change in the dasa period or till the problem is resolved.[Rath:] Kanu, Upapada is not a problem - we make it one. Fasting should be continued throughout life. Why wait for something bad to happen and then start. >8. If a girl is unmarried due to various doshas can she get married by fasting on UL days. [Kanu] Fasting on UL days would defintaley bring the spouse to her sooner.It may also resolve some of the doshas depending on the afflictions.Though in some cases this may not be enough and other remedies may be required. [Rath:] If ANY GIRL FASTS ON THE DAYS OF THE UL LORD AND WORSHIPS VISHNU...SHE WILL MARRY AS SOON AS SATURN BECOMES SLIGHTLY FAVORABLE..... >9. Should the fasting be from sunrise to sunset or sunrise to next sunrise, does it depend on the planet day. The usual upa pada fast if from sunrise to sunset.At sunset the native may break the fast and eat a regular vegetarian meal. I hope the above helps.You can also read more on the link given below which has a lesson by Guru Sanjay Rath on upa pada. http://.org/lessons/upapada.htm Best Wishes, Kanupriya. >I hope I get a reply pls. > >Warm regards, > >Sush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 I may be wrong in my interpretation, I hope learned Gurus will elaborate. kanu priya <barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Sushmita, I have tried to answer your questions below and I hope to be corrected by the Gurus where ever I have gone wrong.Please scroll below: > >Dear Learned members, > >Dear Visti, Sarajit and Narasimha and others, > >Could someone pls explain the theory of UL completely. UL:Upa pada Lagna:This is the arudha of the 12th house.The arudha as given by Jaimini states that for each house an arudha pada can be calculated.The arudha of the 12th house is seen for married life.This is so because the 12th house apart from alot of other things also deals with giving.Marriage is a commitment and hence in a marriage we give,this giving could be our word of commitment ,love,sharing our life and material comforts etc.Hence,even though the 7th house and lord are seen in a chart in some matters regarding the spouse, to know about the spouse the upapada is seen.The lord of the upa pada shows us alot about our spouse.The UL also shows us about our marrige.The 8th house from the UL shows the success or failure of marriage in the long run. Similarly, the indications of the 2nd house from the Upapada will even more vividly indicate the outcome of marriage.The relationship between the UL and the AL also gives us the picture about the relationship or quality of the marriage. So, UL becomes very important when we want to see the married life as it is the arudha of our commitment of marriage.However,this concept can be a bit flexible when we look at the various varghas,for example, the UL in D 10 will show what our colleagues think of our spouse. Additionally, >I have some doubts :- > >1. Can anyone fast on the days on UL lord, are there certain kinds of >combinations by which one can't fast on UL days. The concept of fasting is to give .When we fast we give up our food for our prayer or what ever we are fasting for.In most cases fasting on the UL day indicates our dedication to our commitment or the need to have a commitment.In rare cases where the UL is greatly afflicted one may be advised not to fast on this day.For example, if Rahu is present in the UL and along with some other afflictions and the married life has a very negetive influence in the natives life perhaps its not the best thing to be more giving to Rahu and the native may be reqired tobe stronger in terms to face the Rahu in thier life.So,its important to study the various aspects of the UL. 2. If there are two lords then should the fasting be of the strongest >co lord or weakest. If the UL falls in Scorpio,lorded by Mars and Ketu,the fast is done on Tuesday.If it falls in Aquarius lorded by Saturn and Rahu then the fast is done on Saturday.If there are planets in the UL the fast is still done on the day of the lord of the UL.However,while calculating the UL the stronger lord is seen. >3. What are the exact benefits of fasting on UL days. Fasting on UL days indicates ones dedication to the need for the commitment and also to pacify the planet.This results in improving the relationship which is already present or may bring the spouse to the native sooner in case of the single person.So while fasting on the UL lord's day we are praying for the better ment of our marriage or for it to happen in our life. >4. Is there any particular type of fast that one needs to keep, only >fruits or only water or no water or does it change from planet to >planet. The general fast involves allowing the native to have Saatwik food through the day.This is fruit,milk,water,juices etc.At times one may keep a more severe fast with only water,this is up to the native. >5. Recently a member used the term Gauna Pada, what is the meaning of >Gauna exactly. Upa pada is also called Gauna Pada.The renunciation of marriage or spouse is also seen from the Gauna Pada. >6. Can people fast on AL days also, would this help in increasing of >image, status and does it depend on some factors. Fasting on AL days is not advisable.When we fast we are giving up something.Do we want to give up our image or arudha?If we did give up our image or arudha in this world what is one left with? >7. Does one need to fast for different periods for different planets, >I heard for Saturn it is 16 weeks { one day per week } and for >other planets diff counts. If Saturn is the lord of upa pada then the fast should be done on a Saturday.At times the fast may be done as per the dasa or till there is a change in the dasa period or till the problem is resolved. >8. If a girl is unmarried due to various doshas can she get married >by fasting on UL days. Fasting on UL days would defintaley bring the spouse to her sooner.It may also resolve some of the doshas depending on the afflictions.Though in some cases this may not be enough and other remedies may be required. >9. Should the fasting be from sunrise to sunset or sunrise to next >sunrise, does it depend on the planet day. The usual upa pada fast if from sunrise to sunset.At sunset the native may break the fast and eat a regular vegetarian meal. I hope the above helps.You can also read more on the link given below which has a lesson by Guru Sanjay Rath on upa pada. http://.org/lessons/upapada.htm Best Wishes, Kanupriya. >I hope I get a reply pls. > >Warm regards, > >Sush > Take this "News" quiz. Win cool prizes. Click 'n play! Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Sanjay, Pranams. Gurudwara means enlightenment/illumination to me. May i join in this yagna? Dharma, Artha, Kama & Moksha is the order given. Just as we have leave preparatory to retirement in Govt. Offices in India Samsara is preparatory to Sanyaasa. Is not self-sharing the first step to self-negation? In reality happiness is not in the receiving end, but is derived when one gives. The first blow to Ahankara is given when one enters into the wedlock. Initially marriage gives an illusion that happiness is to be derived from the opposite sex. It is because of this illusion Arudha is being consulted. The moment one indulges in seeking happiness from the partner the Ahankara is sacrificed to a little extent. It is because of this sacrifice the 12th house is being consulted. Fasting is the best remedy of course. Here i wish to state the story in brief of Amparish Maharaja who used to fast on all ekadashi days. He used to dedicate himself in the chanting of holy mantra 'AUM NAMO NARAYANAYA' during these days of fast(UPA = by the side of: VASA= reside - in shord dedicating oneself to the lord). In addition he used to feed the people/praja giving them the royal treatment. He continued this fast for one year with utmost sincerity. Seing this Devendra became a bit worried. He thought that the Lord might grant him his kingdom in appreciation of his steadfastness and devotion. Devendra requested Durvasa Maharishi to somehow induce the king in making in some kind of mistake and curse him for that. Durvasa Maharishi's attempt did not succeed. Infact the Lord's Sudarshana chakra chased him to such an extent that Durvasa maharishi had to request the king (Amparish) himself to save him and forgive him for the curse he had to give on account of the compulsion of Devendra. What i wanted to say is that the karma which has been pushed outside by way of fasting should not find a backdoor entry in the form of financial savings which results if one undertakes fasting. The king used to feed the people on these ekadashi days. We know the cost of a Royal feast. The king saw to that the karma was not allowed to enter again in the form of financial savings and stay with him again. His one and only desire was the Lord's grace. In addition to the fasting if one gives food which he normaly takes/consumes as dhaana on the days of fast then the grace of Lord/protection of Sudarshana is assured. Happily/happy to be yours, psramanrayanan What is SARS? Find out! Be informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2003 Report Share Posted May 10, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Sridhar, While you do fasting, you indirectly say the lord that, you are taking the trouble on your own self by keeping yourself Hungry and let the misfortune pass through your hunger and not your other aspects of life. One more thing,while you fast on the day of the Upapada, the deity you worship for that is to be seen from the 2nd from UL. If some planets are placed there, take deity as indicated by them, otherwise take the 2nd lord. Only he has the power to maintain the longevity of the relationship. Best Wishes Sarajit - sridhar k vedic astrology Sunday, May 11, 2003 11:30 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Fasting on UL days As has been taught to me, FASTING is translation of "UPAVASA", which means Staying with God/Devata. Refraining from food, is only a means to the main purpose of Upavasa, which can be achieved by Prayers, Meditation to the Particular Day Lord. If we merely refrain from food, and forget to pray to the deva, it may be good for our health, but not for pleasing the devata. I may be wrong in my interpretation, I hope learned Gurus will elaborate. kanu priya <barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Sushmita, I have tried to answer your questions below and I hope to be corrected by the Gurus where ever I have gone wrong.Please scroll below: > >Dear Learned members, > >Dear Visti, Sarajit and Narasimha and others, > >Could someone pls explain the theory of UL completely. UL:Upa pada Lagna:This is the arudha of the 12th house.The arudha as given by Jaimini states that for each house an arudha pada can be calculated.The arudha of the 12th house is seen for married life.This is so because the 12th house apart from alot of other things also deals with giving.Marriage is a commitment and hence in a marriage we give,this giving could be our word of commitment ,love,sharing our life and material comforts etc.Hence,even though the 7th house and lord are seen in a chart in some matters regarding the spouse, to know about the spouse the upapada is seen.The lord of the upa pada shows us alot about our spouse.The UL also shows us about our marrige.The 8th house from the UL shows the success or failure of marriage in the long run. Similarly, the indications of the 2nd house from the Upapada will even more vividly indicate the outcome of marriage.The relationship between the UL and the AL also gives us the picture about the relationship or quality of the marriage. So, UL becomes very important when we want to see the married life as it is the arudha of our commitment of marriage.However,this concept can be a bit flexible when we look at the various varghas,for example, the UL in D 10 will show what our colleagues think of our spouse. Additionally, >I have some doubts :- > >1. Can anyone fast on the days on UL lord, are there certain kinds of >combinations by which one can't fast on UL days. The concept of fasting is to give .When we fast we give up our food for our prayer or what ever we are fasting for.In most cases fasting on the UL day indicates our dedication to our commitment or the need to have a commitment.In rare cases where the UL is greatly afflicted one may be advised not to fast on this day.For example, if Rahu is present in the UL and along with some other afflictions and the married life has a very negetive influence in the natives life perhaps its not the best thing to be more giving to Rahu and the native may be reqired tobe stronger in terms to face the Rahu in thier life.So,its important to study the various aspects of the UL. 2. If there are two lords then should the fasting be of the strongest >co lord or weakest. If the UL falls in Scorpio,lorded by Mars and Ketu,the fast is done on Tuesday.If it falls in Aquarius lorded by Saturn and Rahu then the fast is done on Saturday.If there are planets in the UL the fast is still done on the day of the lord of the UL.However,while calculating the UL the stronger lord is seen. >3. What are the exact benefits of fasting on UL days. Fasting on UL days indicates ones dedication to the need for the commitment and also to pacify the planet.This results in improving the relationship which is already present or may bring the spouse to the native sooner in case of the single person.So while fasting on the UL lord's day we are praying for the better ment of our marriage or for it to happen in our life. >4. Is there any particular type of fast that one needs to keep, only >fruits or only water or no water or does it change from planet to >planet. The general fast involves allowing the native to have Saatwik food through the day.This is fruit,milk,water,juices etc.At times one may keep a more severe fast with only water,this is up to the native. >5. Recently a member used the term Gauna Pada, what is the meaning of >Gauna exactly. Upa pada is also called Gauna Pada.The renunciation of marriage or spouse is also seen from the Gauna Pada. >6. Can people fast on AL days also, would this help in increasing of >image, status and does it depend on some factors. Fasting on AL days is not advisable.When we fast we are giving up something.Do we want to give up our image or arudha?If we did give up our image or arudha in this world what is one left with? >7. Does one need to fast for different periods for different planets, >I heard for Saturn it is 16 weeks { one day per week } and for >other planets diff counts. If Saturn is the lord of upa pada then the fast should be done on a Saturday.At times the fast may be done as per the dasa or till there is a change in the dasa period or till the problem is resolved. >8. If a girl is unmarried due to various doshas can she get married >by fasting on UL days. Fasting on UL days would defintaley bring the spouse to her sooner.It may also resolve some of the doshas depending on the afflictions.Though in some cases this may not be enough and other remedies may be required. >9. Should the fasting be from sunrise to sunset or sunrise to next >sunrise, does it depend on the planet day. The usual upa pada fast if from sunrise to sunset.At sunset the native may break the fast and eat a regular vegetarian meal. I hope the above helps.You can also read more on the link given below which has a lesson by Guru Sanjay Rath on upa pada. http://.org/lessons/upapada.htm Best Wishes, Kanupriya. >I hope I get a reply pls. > >Warm regards, > >Sush > Take this "News" quiz. Win cool prizes. Click 'n play! Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Respected Sanjayji, We are greatfull for such a nice mail and enlightening us with such a broader view on UL. Best regards jk - Sanjay Rath vedic astrology Saturday, May 10, 2003 9:46 PM RE: [vedic astrology] Fasting on UL days ||Om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Kanu, How are you doing? Please use some colors which are less strainous to the eye next time. Try true blue - black is the best. Excellent work I must say. Just think more on the points I have indicated. comments below: With best wishes I remain Sanjay Rath -------- Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: http://srath.com -------- kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com]Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:08 PMvedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Fasting on UL days Om Gurave Namah Dear Sushmita, I have tried to answer your questions below and I hope to be corrected by the Gurus where ever I have gone wrong.Please scroll below: > >Dear Learned members, > >Dear Visti, Sarajit and Narasimha and others, > >Could someone pls explain the theory of UL completely. UL:Upa pada Lagna:This is the arudha of the 12th house.The arudha as given by Jaimini states that for each house an arudha pada can be calculated.The arudha of the 12th house is seen for married life.This is so because the 12th house apart from alot of other things also deals with giving.Marriage is a commitment and hence in a marriage we give,this giving could be our word of commitment ,love,sharing our life and material comforts etc.Hence,even though the 7th house and lord are seen in a chart in some matters regarding the spouse, to know about the spouse the upapada is seen.The lord of the upa pada shows us alot about our spouse.The UL also shows us about our marrige.The 8th house from the UL shows the success or failure of marriage in the long run. Similarly, the indications of the 2nd house from the Upapada will even more vividly indicate the outcome of marriage.The relationship between the UL and the AL also gives us the picture about the relationship or quality of the marriage. So, UL becomes very important when we want to see the married life as it is the arudha of our commitment of marriage.However,this concept can be a bit flexible when we look at the various varghas,for example, the UL in D 10 will show what our colleagues think of our spouse. [Rath:] The concept of Upapada has been explained in the incarnation of dattatreya. http://srath.com/hindu/datta_upanisad.htm Basically, human beings (manushya) are selfish and cannot give. They have to be taught to give and this giving is the essence of spiritual learning for a manushya. Giving is seen from the 12th house. The manifestation of giving or 'who will you give to' is seen from the Arudha pada of the 12th house. By the way, this is given both in Parasara and Jaimini sutra. In fact it is Parasara who has dedicated a whole chapter to this. When reckoned form lagna, the upapada will represent the spouse and the fifth therefrom will represent the children to whom you give. Similarly, the moon represents the Mana and your society/family at large. The Upapada reckoned from chandra lagna is also called Chandra Upapada and here the giving is to the society, family and in the spiritual sence to the Pitris. The purest material form of the Moon is water and that is why water (chandra/soma) is given (upapada) to the pitris with the gayatri mantra (24 syllable-12 house). Extending this theory further to the Sun, the Surya Upapada (Arudha of the 12th house from the Sun) will represent what we give to the whole world at large, to the devatas, to the Gurus and the spiritual master. Offering a lamp (Agni/Sun) to the deity is the best material thing to give. this is the basic concept of the Upapada. Lordships and other things can be learnt from Parasara. If the lord of UL is exalted and strong, then the spouse is from a powerful/rich family. If debilitated and weak, then poor/weak family. Thus the avastha and status of the lord of Upapada will indicate the avastha/status of the family of the spouse (in the Rasi chart of course..what about navamsa?) Now we have a clearer picture that the definition of marriage according to the maharishis is to find a person of the opposite sex to whom you will give everything and keep giving with joy without any expectations. Next comes the story of Adam's apple. Who has asked the husband and wife to have physical intimacy? from where did this come into the Upapada picture? How do you know that your wife is your *real* wife and how do we differentiate her from others? It is from the face, and that is why we have photographs of the face in passports for identification. Now look at Jaimini's brilliance. "If Rahu is in the second from the seventh lord from Upapada, then the native has protruding teeth" (!!!). The Upapada was meant to be the partner who we shall give to, and then we decided that we might as well have a litle bit of physical intimacy (7th house from Upapada) and what attracted or identified? Itwas the face. The second house (face/mouth etc) from the seventh lord from Upapada shows the facial features and expressions that shall attract or repel the spouse. ....there is a lot to Upapada. Where does the spouse come into the picture in Dasamsa?? Why drag your spouse into your office? If UL has anything to do with the 10th house/lord in the Rasi chart then the spouse has some link to the office, else he/she is a part of personal life. Additionally, >I have some doubts :- > >1. Can anyone fast on the days on UL lord, are there certain kinds of >combinations by which one can't fast on UL days. The concept of fasting is to give .When we fast we give up our food for our prayer or what ever we are fasting for.In most cases fasting on the UL day indicates our dedication to our commitment or the need to have a commitment.In rare cases where the UL is greatly afflicted one may be advised not to fast on this day.For example, if Rahu is present in the UL and along with some other afflictions and the married life has a very negetive influence in the natives life perhaps its not the best thing to be more giving to Rahu and the native may be reqired tobe stronger in terms to face the Rahu in thier life.So,its important to study the various aspects of the UL. [Rath:] No way Kanu. Everyone can and should fast on the days of the lord of the Upapada. One of my old students has Rahu in Scorpio in Upapada and I advised him not to marry. If he has to marry then he has to keep Upapada fast for at least one year. he has sincerely done that and worshipped Narayana, so his marriage is stable. 2. If there are two lords then should the fasting be of the strongest >co lord or weakest. If the UL falls in Scorpio,lorded by Mars and Ketu,the fast is done on Tuesday.If it falls in Aquarius lorded by Saturn and Rahu then the fast is done on Saturday.If there are planets in the UL the fast is still done on the day of the lord of the UL.However,while calculating the UL the stronger lord is seen. [Rath:] Even if there are two lords, the day indicated by them will be the same. Aquarius has Rahu & Sat - both indicate saturday. Scorpio has Mars & Ketu - both indicate tuesday. >3. What are the exact benefits of fasting on UL days. Fasting on UL days indicates ones dedication to the need for the commitment and also to pacify the planet.This results in improving the relationship which is already present or may bring the spouse to the native sooner in case of the single person.So while fasting on the UL lord's day we are praying for the better ment of our marriage or for it to happen in our life. [Rath:] Spouse is in best behaviour and is always going to be nice to you. Thats right Kanu..marriage is quick and all badhak to marriage vanishes. >4. Is there any particular type of fast that one needs to keep, only >fruits or only water or no water or does it change from planet to >planet. The general fast involves allowing the native to have Saatwik food through the day.This is fruit,milk,water,juices etc.At times one may keep a more severe fast with only water,this is up to the native. [Rath:] No way..eating and fasting cannot go hand in hand. No food at all. Since the sun is always beneficial to the Upapada (standard rule), the fasting is done with the Sun as sakshi (witness) and is from sunrise to sunset. I know a person who said he had acidity problem and all kinds of stories and so I allowed him to have some fruit juices and uncooked food...he ate a crate of mangoes on the day of the fast! Is this fasting. in fact the thought of fasting made him more hungry and gluttonous. No, this is not right. >5. Recently a member used the term Gauna Pada, what is the meaning of >Gauna exactly. Upa pada is also called Gauna Pada.The renunciation of marriage or spouse is also seen from the Gauna Pada.[Rath:] ??? (Smile) One of the meanings (aaparant) is from a literal translation of the word as secondary and this means that the Upapada is to be studied second after Arudha/Pada Lagna, or it is secondary after AL. >6. Can people fast on AL days also, would this help in increasing of >image, status and does it depend on some factors. Fasting on AL days is not advisable.When we fast we are giving up something.Do we want to give up our image or arudha?If we did give up our image or arudha in this world what is one left with? [Rath:] Consider the question from this angle - would fasting on AL days make us more spiritual? >7. Does one need to fast for different periods for different planets, >I heard for Saturn it is 16 weeks { one day per week } and for >other planets diff counts. If Saturn is the lord of upa pada then the fast should be done on a Saturday.At times the fast may be done as per the dasa or till there is a change in the dasa period or till the problem is resolved.[Rath:] Kanu, Upapada is not a problem - we make it one. Fasting should be continued throughout life. Why wait for something bad to happen and then start. >8. If a girl is unmarried due to various doshas can she get married >by fasting on UL days. Fasting on UL days would defintaley bring the spouse to her sooner.It may also resolve some of the doshas depending on the afflictions.Though in some cases this may not be enough and other remedies may be required. [Rath:] If ANY GIRL FASTS ON THE DAYS OF THE UL LORD AND WORSHIPS VISHNU...SHE WILL MARRY AS SOON AS SATURN BECOMES SLIGHTLY FAVORABLE..... >9. Should the fasting be from sunrise to sunset or sunrise to next >sunrise, does it depend on the planet day. The usual upa pada fast if from sunrise to sunset.At sunset the native may break the fast and eat a regular vegetarian meal. I hope the above helps.You can also read more on the link given below which has a lesson by Guru Sanjay Rath on upa pada. http://.org/lessons/upapada.htm Best Wishes, Kanupriya. >I hope I get a reply pls. > >Warm regards, > >Sush > Take this "News" quiz. Win cool prizes. Click 'n play! Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 >>6. Can people fast on AL days also, would this help in increasing of >>image, status and does it depend on some factors. >Fasting on AL days is not advisable.When we fast we are giving up something.Do we want to >give up our image or arudha?If we did give up our image or arudha in this world what is one left >with? If AL and UL are in one Rashi, then, when should one fast ? Denis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Dear Denis, When the AL and the UL are together it makes the native very giving to the spouse and the native may spend alot of time with the spouse.There togetherness becomes very evident in such a case.The fasting is done on the day of the lord of the UL.This may make the native even more giving and the other benefitts of the fast remain the same.Again this is what I know and I hope to be corrected if I am wrong on this. Best Wishes, Kanupriya. > >>6. Can people fast on AL days also, would this help in increasing of > >>image, status and does it depend on some factors. > >Fasting on AL days is not advisable.When we fast we are giving up something.Do we want to >give up our image or arudha?If we did give up our image or arudha in this world what is one left >with? > >If AL and UL are in one Rashi, then, when should one fast ? > >Denis IIFA Awards. Vote now. Celebrate Indian cinema. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Dear Sushmita and list, I would just like to add one more point to the discussion. The Arudhapada of the 12th house is known variously as Vyayapada, Upapada and Gaunapada. In its highest sense, it is Gaunapada, (gauna meaning that which matters) and in its lowest sense, it is Vyayapada (deriving from vyaya bhava) meaning expenditure. Gaunapada means giving in the most complete sense when the expenditure actually becomes an investment. Marriage/spouse is just one aspect of giving where Gaunapada is concerned, implying Upapada is but just a part of it. When you fast on the Gaunapada day, you are striving to make your life better in all its aspects, of which your marriage/spouse is just a part, albeit an important one. Vishnu sits in the 12th house receiving all that you offer; the more you give, the more He receives, and greater are the blessings that shall be bestowed upon you. All one’s sacrifices, ‘giving’, worships, mantras are received by Vishnu in the 12th house. Hence, a benefic in the 12th house causes shubhayoga on the lagna, removing all its curses. Upapada thus has nothing to do with physicality but is a commitment, to ‘dedicate’ (arpan), to ‘give’ to the spouse. yes"> Best regards, Garamond;color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Sarbani mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Garamond"> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> Sanjay Rath [srath (AT) srath (DOT) com] Saturday, May 10, 2003 9:46 PM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] Fasting on UL days 12.0pt"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:red">||Om brihaspataye namah|| mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Dear Kanu, mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">How are you doing? Please use some colors which are less strainous to the eye next time. Try true blue - black is the best. windowtext"> mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Excellent work I must say. Just think more on the points I have indicated. mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">comments below: mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">With best wishes mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">I remain mso-fareast-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS"; color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Sanjay Rath mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">-------- mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">http://srath.com mso-bidi-font-family:"Arial Unicode MS";color:black;mso-bidi-font-weight:bold">-------- -----Original Message----- kanu priya [barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:08 PM To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] Fasting on UL days mso-color-alt:windowtext"> 12.0pt;color:#FF9933"> Om Gurave Namah mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Dear Sushmita, I have tried to answer your questions below and I hope to be corrected by the Gurus where ever I have gone wrong.Please scroll below: > >Dear Learned members, > >Dear Visti, Sarajit and Narasimha and others, windowtext"> > >Could someone pls explain the theory of UL completely. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> UL:Upa pada Lagna:This is the arudha of the 12th house.The arudha as given by Jaimini states that for each house an arudha pada can be calculated.The arudha of the 12th house is seen for married life.This is so because the 12th house apart from alot of other things also deals with giving.Marriage is a commitment and hence in a marriage we give,this giving could be our word of commitment ,love,sharing our life and material comforts etc.Hence,even though the 7th house and lord are seen in a chart in some matters regarding the spouse, to know about the spouse the upapada is seen.The lord of the upa pada shows us alot about our spouse.The UL also shows us about our marrige.The 8th house from the UL shows the success or failure of marriage in the long run. Similarly, the indications of the 2nd house from the Upapada will even more vividly indicate the outcome of marriage.The relationship between the UL and the AL also gives us the picture about the relationship or quality of the marriage. So, UL becomes very important when we want to see the married life as it is the arudha of our commitment of marriage.However,this concept can be a bit flexible when we look at the various varghas,for example, the UL in D 10 will show what our colleagues think of our spouse. Georgia;color:black">[Rath:] The concept of Upapada has been explained in the incarnation of dattatreya. http://srath.com/hindu/datta_upanisad.htm Basically, human beings (manushya) are selfish and cannot give. They have to be taught to give and this giving is the essence of spiritual learning for a manushya. Giving is seen from the 12th house. The manifestation of giving or 'who will you give to' is seen from the Arudha pada of the 12th house. By the way, this is given both in Parasara and Jaimini sutra. In fact it is Parasara who has dedicated a whole chapter to this. When reckoned form lagna, the upapada will represent the spouse and the fifth therefrom will represent the children to whom you give. black;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Similarly, the moon represents the Mana and your society/family at large. The Upapada reckoned from chandra lagna is also called Chandra Upapada and here the giving is to the society, family and in the spiritual sence to the Pitris. The purest material form of the Moon is water and that is why water (chandra/soma) is given (upapada) to the pitris with the gayatri mantra (24 syllable-12 house). Extending this theory further to the Sun, the Surya Upapada (Arudha of the 12th house from the Sun) will represent what we give to the whole world at large, to the devatas, to the Gurus and the spiritual master. Offering a lamp (Agni/Sun) to the deity is the best material thing to give. this is the basic concept of the Upapada. Lordships and other things can be learnt from Parasara. If the lord of UL is exalted and strong, then the spouse is from a powerful/rich family. If debilitated and weak, then poor/weak family. Thus the avastha and status of the lord of Upapada will indicate the avastha/status of the family of the spouse (in the Rasi chart of course..what about navamsa?) Now we have a clearer picture that the definition of marriage according to the maharishis is to find a person of the opposite sex to whom you will give everything and keep giving with joy without any expectations. Next comes the story of Adam's apple. Who has asked the husband and wife to have physical intimacy? from where did this come into the Upapada picture? How do you know that your wife is your *real* wife and how do we differentiate her from others? It is from the face, and that is why we have photographs of the face in passports for identification. Now look at Jaimini's brilliance. "If Rahu is in the second from the seventh lord from Upapada, then the native has protruding teeth" (!!!). The Upapada was meant to be the partner who we shall give to, and then we decided that we might as well have a litle bit of physical intimacy (7th house from Upapada) and what attracted or identified? Itwas the face. The second house (face/mouth etc) from the seventh lord from Upapada shows the facial features and expressions that shall attract or repel the spouse. ....there is a lot to Upapada. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Where does the spouse come into the picture in Dasamsa?? Why drag your spouse into your office? If UL has anything to do with the 10th house/lord in the Rasi chart then the spouse has some link to the office, else he/she is a part of personal life. Additionally, >I have some doubts :- > >1. Can anyone fast on the days on UL lord, are there certain kinds of >combinations by which one can't fast on UL days. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> The concept of fasting is to give .When we fast we give up our food for our prayer or what ever we are fasting for.In most cases fasting on the UL day indicates our dedication to our commitment or the need to have a commitment.In rare cases where the UL is greatly afflicted one may be advised not to fast on this day.For example, if Rahu is present in the UL and along with some other afflictions and the married life has a very negetive influence in the natives life perhaps its not the best thing to be more giving to Rahu and the native may be reqired tobe stronger in terms to face the Rahu in thier life.So,its important to study the various aspects of the UL. Georgia;color:black">[Rath:] No way Kanu. Everyone can and should fast on the days of the lord of the Upapada. One of my old students has Rahu in Scorpio in Upapada and I advised him not to marry. If he has to marry then he has to keep Upapada fast for at least one year. he has sincerely done that and worshipped Narayana, so his marriage is stable. 2. If there are two lords then should the fasting be of the strongest >co lord or weakest. If the UL falls in Scorpio,lorded by Mars and Ketu,the fast is done on Tuesday.If it falls in Aquarius lorded by Saturn and Rahu then the fast is done on Saturday.If there are planets in the UL the fast is still done on the day of the lord of the UL.However,while calculating the UL the stronger lord is seen. Georgia;color:black">[Rath:] Even if there are two lords, the day indicated by them will be the same. Aquarius has Rahu & Sat - both indicate saturday. Scorpio has Mars & Ketu - both indicate tuesday. >3. What are the exact benefits of fasting on UL days. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Fasting on UL days indicates ones dedication to the need for the commitment and also to pacify the planet.This results in improving the relationship which is already present or may bring the spouse to the native sooner in case of the single person.So while fasting on the UL lord's day we are praying for the better ment of our marriage or for it to happen in our life. Georgia;color:black">[Rath:] Spouse is in best behaviour and is always going to be nice to you. Thats right Kanu..marriage is quick and all badhak to marriage vanishes. >4. Is there any particular type of fast that one needs to keep, only >fruits or only water or no water or does it change from planet to >planet. The general fast involves allowing the native to have Saatwik food through the day.This is fruit,milk,water,juices etc.At times one may keep a more severe fast with only water,this is up to the native. Georgia;color:black">[Rath:] No way..eating and fasting cannot go hand in hand. No food at all. Since the sun is always beneficial to the Upapada (standard rule), the fasting is done with the Sun as sakshi (witness) and is from sunrise to sunset. I know a person who said he had acidity problem and all kinds of stories and so I allowed him to have some fruit juices and uncooked food...he ate a crate of mangoes on the day of the fast! Is this fasting. in fact the thought of fasting made him more hungry and gluttonous. No, this is not right. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> >5. Recently a member used the term Gauna Pada, what is the meaning of color:black">>Gauna exactly. 13.5pt;color:#FF9966">Upa pada is also called Gauna Pada.The renunciation of marriage or spouse is also seen from the Gauna Pada. Georgia;color:black">[Rath:] ??? (Smile) One of the meanings (aaparant) is from a literal translation of the word as secondary and this means that the Upapada is to be studied second after Arudha/Pada Lagna, or it is secondary after AL. >6. Can people fast on AL days also, would this help in increasing of >image, status and does it depend on some factors. windowtext"> Fasting on AL days is not advisable.When we fast we are giving up something.Do we want to give up our image or arudha?If we did give up our image or arudha in this world what is one left with? Georgia;color:black">[Rath:] Consider the question from this angle - would fasting on AL days make us more spiritual? >7. Does one need to fast for different periods for different planets, >I heard for Saturn it is 16 weeks { one day per week } and for color:black">>other planets diff counts. 13.5pt;color:#FF9966">If Saturn is the lord of upa pada then the fast should be done on a Saturday.At times the fast may be done as per the dasa or till there is a change in the dasa period or till the problem is resolved. Georgia;color:black">[Rath:] Kanu, Upapada is not a problem - we make it one. Fasting should be continued throughout life. Why wait for something bad to happen and then start. color:black">>8. If a girl is unmarried due to various doshas can she get married windowtext"> >by fasting on UL days. Fasting on UL days would defintaley bring the spouse to her sooner.It may also resolve some of the doshas depending on the afflictions.Though in some cases this may not be enough and other remedies may be required. Georgia;color:black">[Rath:] If ANY GIRL FASTS ON THE DAYS OF THE UL LORD AND WORSHIPS VISHNU...SHE WILL MARRY AS SOON AS SATURN BECOMES SLIGHTLY FAVORABLE..... >9. Should the fasting be from sunrise to sunset or sunrise to next >sunrise, does it depend on the planet day. windowtext"> 13.5pt;color:#FF9933">The usual upa pada fast if from sunrise to sunset.At sunset the native may break the fast and eat a regular vegetarian meal. 13.5pt;color:#FF9933">I hope the above helps.You can also read more on the link given below which has a lesson by Guru Sanjay Rath on upa pada. color:black"> http://.org/lessons/upapada.htm windowtext"> 13.5pt;color:#FF9933">Best Wishes, 13.5pt;color:#FF9933">Kanupriya. >I hope I get a reply pls. > >Warm regards, > >Sush > line-break"> Take this "News" quiz. Win cool prizes. Click 'n play! 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Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Sanjay, Thank you for your quick response. i fully agree with your views on fasting on Ekadashi days. The grains saved can be donated to temple on dvadasi days so that karmas do not find a back door entry in the form of financial savings. >From your writings i understand that you are also of the same view of donating the grains saved. As regards the story part of it there may be better versions available. As such i wish to state that i respect all paramparas. The topic revolved around fasting on UL days. i wanted to say that this fasting done on UL days should be supported by donating the grains saved/Annadhaana. Happily/happy to be yours, psramanrayanan It's spooky. It's a thriller. See Bhoot slideshow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 How should i interpret the placement of AL in the 12 th from UL? Thanks! Prakash.kanu priya <barish44 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Om Gurave Namah Dear Denis, When the AL and the UL are together it makes the native very giving to the spouse and the native may spend alot of time with the spouse.There togetherness becomes very evident in such a case.The fasting is done on the day of the lord of the UL.This may make the native even more giving and the other benefitts of the fast remain the same.Again this is what I know and I hope to be corrected if I am wrong on this. Best Wishes, Kanupriya. > >>6. Can people fast on AL days also, would this help in increasing of > >>image, status and does it depend on some factors. > >Fasting on AL days is not advisable.When we fast we are giving up something.Do we want to >give up our image or arudha?If we did give up our image or arudha in this world what is one left >with? > >If AL and UL are in one Rashi, then, when should one fast ? > >Denis IIFA Awards. Vote now. Celebrate Indian cinema. Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Prakash Narayanan Software Consultant The Bank of New York New York. http://profiles./rcnp The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Dear Prakash, If AL is in the 12th from UL the native will be rejected by the spouse. Best Wishes, Kanupriya. > >Dear Kanu Priya, How should i interpret the placement of AL in the 12 th from UL? Thanks!Prakash. > >kanu priya wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > >Dear Denis, > > When the AL and the UL are together it makes the native very giving to the spouse and the native may spend alot of time with the spouse.There togetherness becomes very evident in such a case.The fasting is done on the day of the lord of the UL.This may make the native even more giving and the other benefitts of the fast remain the same.Again this is what I know and I hope to be corrected if I am wrong on this. > >Best Wishes, > >Kanupriya. > > >>6. Can people fast on AL days also, would this help in increasing of > >>image, status and does it depend on some factors. > >Fasting on AL days is not advisable.When we fast we are giving up something.Do we want to >give up our image or arudha?If we did give up our image or arudha in this world what is one left >with? > >If AL and UL are in one Rashi, then, when should one fast ? > >Denis > > >IIFA Awards. Vote now. Celebrate Indian cinema. > Sponsor > > > > > > > > >The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. What is SARS? Find out! Be informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 DEAR ALL >6. Can people fast on AL days also, would this help in increasing of >image, status and does it depend on some factors. Fasting on AL days is not advisable.When we fast we are giving up something.Do we want to give up our image or arudha?If we did give up our image or arudha in this world what is one left with? THE ARUDHA LAGNA AND UPAPADA LAGNA LORD CAN BE THE SAME LORD, FOR EXAMPLE AL IS IN CAPRICORN AND UL IS IN ACQUARIUS. AS PER THE ANSWER ABOVE, FASTING ON SATURDAY IS BOTH GOOD AND BAD FOR THE NATIVE. PLEASE EXPLAIN??? TRI vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@s...> wrote: > > > ||Om brihaspataye namah|| > Dear Kanu, > How are you doing? Please use some colors which are less strainous to the eye next time. Try true blue - black is the best. > Excellent work I must say. Just think more on the points I have indicated. > comments below: > With best wishes > I remain > Sanjay Rath > -- ------ > Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India > Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: http://srath.com > -- ------ > > kanu priya [barish44@h...] > Saturday, May 10, 2003 7:08 PM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] Fasting on UL days > > > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Sushmita, > I have tried to answer your questions below and I hope to be corrected by the Gurus where ever I have gone wrong.Please scroll below: > > > >Dear Learned members, > > > >Dear Visti, Sarajit and Narasimha and others, > > > >Could someone pls explain the theory of UL completely. > UL:Upa pada Lagna:This is the arudha of the 12th house.The arudha as given by Jaimini states that for each house an arudha pada can be calculated.The arudha of the 12th house is seen for married life.This is so because the 12th house apart from alot of other things also deals with giving.Marriage is a commitment and hence in a marriage we give,this giving could be our word of commitment ,love,sharing our life and material comforts etc.Hence,even though the 7th house and lord are seen in a chart in some matters regarding the spouse, to know about the spouse the upapada is seen.The lord of the upa pada shows us alot about our spouse.The UL also shows us about our marrige.The 8th house from the UL shows the success or failure of marriage in the long run. Similarly, the indications of the 2nd house from the Upapada will even more vividly indicate the outcome of marriage.The relationship between the UL and the AL also gives us the picture about the relationship or quality of the marriage. So, UL becomes very important when we want to see the married life as it is the arudha of our commitment of marriage.However,this concept can be a bit flexible when we look at the various varghas,for example, the UL in D 10 will show what our colleagues think of our spouse. > [Rath:] The concept of Upapada has been explained in the incarnation of dattatreya. http://srath.com/hindu/datta_upanisad.htm Basically, human beings (manushya) are selfish and cannot give. They have to be taught to give and this giving is the essence of spiritual learning for a manushya. Giving is seen from the 12th house. The manifestation of giving or 'who will you give to' is seen from the Arudha pada of the 12th house. By the way, this is given both in Parasara and Jaimini sutra. In fact it is Parasara who has dedicated a whole chapter to this. When reckoned form lagna, the upapada will represent the spouse and the fifth therefrom will represent the children to whom you give. > > Similarly, the moon represents the Mana and your society/family at large. The Upapada reckoned from chandra lagna is also called Chandra Upapada and here the giving is to the society, family and in the spiritual sence to the Pitris. The purest material form of the Moon is water and that is why water (chandra/soma) is given (upapada) to the pitris with the gayatri mantra (24 syllable-12 house). > > Extending this theory further to the Sun, the Surya Upapada (Arudha of the 12th house from the Sun) will represent what we give to the whole world at large, to the devatas, to the Gurus and the spiritual master. Offering a lamp (Agni/Sun) to the deity is the best material thing to give. this is the basic concept of the Upapada. > > Lordships and other things can be learnt from Parasara. If the lord of UL is exalted and strong, then the spouse is from a powerful/rich family. If debilitated and weak, then poor/weak family. Thus the avastha and status of the lord of Upapada will indicate the avastha/status of the family of the spouse (in the Rasi chart of course..what about navamsa?) > > Now we have a clearer picture that the definition of marriage according to the maharishis is to find a person of the opposite sex to whom you will give everything and keep giving with joy without any expectations. Next comes the story of Adam's apple. Who has asked the husband and wife to have physical intimacy? from where did this come into the Upapada picture? How do you know that your wife is your *real* wife and how do we differentiate her from others? It is from the face, and that is why we have photographs of the face in passports for identification. Now look at Jaimini's brilliance. "If Rahu is in the second from the seventh lord from Upapada, then the native has protruding teeth" (!!!). The Upapada was meant to be the partner who we shall give to, and then we decided that we might as well have a litle bit of physical intimacy (7th house from Upapada) and what attracted or identified? Itwas the face. The second house (face/mouth etc) from the seventh lord from Upapada shows the facial features and expressions that shall attract or repel the spouse. > ...there is a lot to Upapada. > > Where does the spouse come into the picture in Dasamsa?? Why drag your spouse into your office? If UL has anything to do with the 10th house/lord in the Rasi chart then the spouse has some link to the office, else he/she is a part of personal life. > > Additionally, > >I have some doubts :- > > > >1. Can anyone fast on the days on UL lord, are there certain kinds of > >combinations by which one can't fast on UL days. > The concept of fasting is to give .When we fast we give up our food for our prayer or what ever we are fasting for.In most cases fasting on the UL day indicates our dedication to our commitment or the need to have a commitment.In rare cases where the UL is greatly afflicted one may be advised not to fast on this day.For example, if Rahu is present in the UL and along with some other afflictions and the married life has a very negetive influence in the natives life perhaps its not the best thing to be more giving to Rahu and the native may be reqired tobe stronger in terms to face the Rahu in thier life.So,its important to study the various aspects of the UL. > [Rath:] No way Kanu. Everyone can and should fast on the days of the lord of the Upapada. One of my old students has Rahu in Scorpio in Upapada and I advised him not to marry. If he has to marry then he has to keep Upapada fast for at least one year. he has sincerely done that and worshipped Narayana, so his marriage is stable. > > 2. If there are two lords then should the fasting be of the strongest > >co lord or weakest. > If the UL falls in Scorpio,lorded by Mars and Ketu,the fast is done on Tuesday.If it falls in Aquarius lorded by Saturn and Rahu then the fast is done on Saturday.If there are planets in the UL the fast is still done on the day of the lord of the UL.However,while calculating the UL the stronger lord is seen. > [Rath:] Even if there are two lords, the day indicated by them will be the same. Aquarius has Rahu & Sat - both indicate saturday. Scorpio has Mars & Ketu - both indicate tuesday. > > >3. What are the exact benefits of fasting on UL days. > Fasting on UL days indicates ones dedication to the need for the commitment and also to pacify the planet.This results in improving the relationship which is already present or may bring the spouse to the native sooner in case of the single person.So while fasting on the UL lord's day we are praying for the better ment of our marriage or for it to happen in our life. > [Rath:] Spouse is in best behaviour and is always going to be nice to you. Thats right Kanu..marriage is quick and all badhak to marriage vanishes. > > >4. Is there any particular type of fast that one needs to keep, only > >fruits or only water or no water or does it change from planet to > >planet. > The general fast involves allowing the native to have Saatwik food through the day.This is fruit,milk,water,juices etc.At times one may keep a more severe fast with only water,this is up to the native. > [Rath:] No way..eating and fasting cannot go hand in hand. No food at all. Since the sun is always beneficial to the Upapada (standard rule), the fasting is done with the Sun as sakshi (witness) and is from sunrise to sunset. I know a person who said he had acidity problem and all kinds of stories and so I allowed him to have some fruit juices and uncooked food...he ate a crate of mangoes on the day of the fast! Is this fasting. in fact the thought of fasting made him more hungry and gluttonous. No, this is not right. > > >5. Recently a member used the term Gauna Pada, what is the meaning of > >Gauna exactly. > > Upa pada is also called Gauna Pada.The renunciation of marriage or spouse is also seen from the Gauna Pada. > [Rath:] ??? (Smile) One of the meanings (aaparant) is from a literal translation of the word as secondary and this means that the Upapada is to be studied second after Arudha/Pada Lagna, or it is secondary after AL. > > >6. Can people fast on AL days also, would this help in increasing of > >image, status and does it depend on some factors. > Fasting on AL days is not advisable.When we fast we are giving up something.Do we want to give up our image or arudha?If we did give up our image or arudha in this world what is one left with? > [Rath:] Consider the question from this angle - would fasting on AL days make us more spiritual? > > >7. Does one need to fast for different periods for different planets, > >I heard for Saturn it is 16 weeks { one day per week } and for > >other planets diff counts. > > If Saturn is the lord of upa pada then the fast should be done on a Saturday.At times the fast may be done as per the dasa or till there is a change in the dasa period or till the problem is resolved. > [Rath:] Kanu, Upapada is not a problem - we make it one. Fasting should be continued throughout life. Why wait for something bad to happen and then start. > > >8. If a girl is unmarried due to various doshas can she get married > > >by fasting on UL days. > Fasting on UL days would defintaley bring the spouse to her sooner.It may also resolve some of the doshas depending on the afflictions.Though in some cases this may not be enough and other remedies may be required. > [Rath:] If ANY GIRL FASTS ON THE DAYS OF THE UL LORD AND WORSHIPS VISHNU...SHE WILL MARRY AS SOON AS SATURN BECOMES SLIGHTLY FAVORABLE..... > >9. Should the fasting be from sunrise to sunset or sunrise to next > >sunrise, does it depend on the planet day. > The usual upa pada fast if from sunrise to sunset.At sunset the native may break the fast and eat a regular vegetarian meal. > > I hope the above helps.You can also read more on the link given below which has a lesson by Guru Sanjay Rath on upa pada. > > http://.org/lessons/upapada.htm > > Best Wishes, > > Kanupriya. > > >I hope I get a reply pls. > > > >Warm regards, > > > >Sush > > > > > -- ------------ > Take this "News" quiz. Win cool prizes. Click 'n play! > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 What if UL is in the 12th from AL ? Denis - kanu priya vedic astrology Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:26 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Fasting on UL days Om Gurave Namah Dear Prakash, If AL is in the 12th from UL the native will be rejected by the spouse. Best Wishes, Kanupriya. > >Dear Kanu Priya, How should i interpret the placement of AL in the 12 th from UL? Thanks!Prakash. > >kanu priya wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Thanks a lot for the illuminating knowledge on Gaunapada, it just makes more sense to me. On the part wherein you said that a benefic in the 12th house removes all the curses in a chart, now what if there is a benefic and a malefic (naisargika) in the 12th house or say that there is a benefic in 12th but receives drishti of a malefic. Will this still remove the curses in a chart. thanks for your reply, Warm regards, Sushmita vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> wrote:> Dear Sushmita and list,> > I would just like to add one more point to the discussion. The Arudhapada of> the 12th house is known variously as Vyayapada, Upapada and Gaunapada. In> its highest sense, it is Gaunapada, (gauna meaning that which matters) and> in its lowest sense, it is Vyayapada (deriving from vyaya bhava) meaning> expenditure. Gaunapada means giving in the most complete sense when the> expenditure actually becomes an investment. Marriage/spouse is just one> aspect of giving where Gaunapada is concerned, implying Upapada is but just> a part of it. When you fast on the Gaunapada day, you are striving to make> your life better in all its aspects, of which your marriage/spouse is just a> part, albeit an important one. Vishnu sits in the 12th house receiving all> that you offer; the more you give, the more He receives, and greater are the> blessings that shall be bestowed upon you. All one's sacrifices, 'giving',> worships, mantras are received by Vishnu in the 12th house. Hence, a benefic> in the 12th house causes shubhayoga on the lagna, removing all its curses.> Upapada thus has nothing to do with physicality but is a commitment, to> 'dedicate' (arpan), to 'give' to the spouse.> > Best regards,> > Sarbani> The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Thanks so much for reply Kanupriya. Thanks Guru Sanjay Rath for showering in-depth knowledge on it. Some more queries pls:- 1. As i have understood that fasting is giving, can fasting be considered in another aspect as cleansing. If this is appropriate, then fasting on AL days would be beneficial in cleansing of the image, say for a film star or politician or even the common man. Also, as Denis and other members have pointed out, what if AL and UL are in the same house, then both would spend a lot of time together and avoid significations of that house, but fasting (with AL and UL togther) in this way might be harmful? so what does such a native do? should he fast or not fast. 2. What happens if the AL, UL and A7 are together in the same house, what would this exactly show. 3. Also, as I understood from further posts, pls correct me here Guru Sanjay, that we must fast and then donate the food saved to get real/appropriate results. Just wanting your stamp since some of the learned members had different opinions or maybe I read things too fast. 4. Should the grains be rice or wheat and should it be donated to any temple of Vishnu avatar, I am thinking on these lines since 12th house is governed by Lord Vishnu. 5. Also, if marriage is not promised in the chart, would fasting on UL days promise marriage. Warm regards, Sushmita The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sushmita, The presence of benefics will ease the suffering considerably. Jupiter’s placement in the 12th is considered one of the best positions for the Deva Guru, as Jupiter represents Vishnu. Posited in Vishnusthana, it is considered ideal, as it would receive the offering of fasting. The effects of ‘giving’ will be duly felt and the fruits of the fasting and sacrifice will be reaped. Malefics will ensure that you have to give that much more; that you will have to strive that much harder, expect frustrations, futility and delays. In the case of the presence of malefics, make sure you keep stringent, regular fasts followed by the annadana as discussed in the other mails. Fruits may be reaped after prolonged periods of sacrifice and giving, dependant upon the degree of maleficance. Mixed planets will give mixed results, and all of them subject to the normal astrological parameters of aspects etc. If you keep the basic philosophy of Gaunapada in mind then all confusion regarding whether or not to fast on the lord of AL’s day or “what happens when AL and UL are together, the lords are the same” kind of arguments, will dispel in a moment. Gaunapada fasting is a necessity for everybody whether they are unmarried, married or a parivrajak, as it will hasten the process of giving which is a must for all souls, as we are born for that very purpose. The giving should be complete, like surrender, like a flowing stream, and not painful, like the thought of ‘giving up’ something. The more we give, the smoother our life is in all its aspects. For those unmarried, Gaunapada also brings about marriage as marriage provides another karmic area for us to ‘give’. As I mentioned earlier marriage is not about physicality but a commitment to give. Otherwise, we would have simply taken the Arudhapada of the seventh house. Darapada does not denote giving; it merely pertains to the realities of the physical level. The Arudhapada of the 12th house denotes giving. As the Gaunapada is only about that, and that is all that is “gauna’ or matters. Sun is the greatest giver, and that is why the Sun is never malefic for Upapada (“naatra ravih paapa” – Jaimini) Those with AL and UL together are fortunate, as they have found the spouse with whom they are one in body, mind and soul. Sri Rama had AL and UL together. In such situations, giving becomes that much easier, smoother. If Darapada is conjoined, then it implies that the lover and the spouse are the same, or that the Darapada converted to Upapada. In both cases, they denote one person, and hence signify commitment and are ideal situations. yes"> Best regards, Garamond;color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext"> mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Sarbani mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Garamond"> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black"> Sushmita S [sushmita34 ] Monday, May 12, 2003 12:08 PM To: vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: Fasting on UL days 12.0pt"> Dear Sarbani, Thanks a lot for the illuminating knowledge on Gaunapada, it just makes more sense to me. On the part wherein you said that a benefic in the 12th house removes all the curses in a chart, now what if there is a benefic and a malefic (naisargika) in the 12th house or say that there is a benefic in 12th but receives drishti of a malefic. Will this still remove the curses in a chart. mso-color-alt:windowtext"> thanks for your reply, Warm regards, color:black"> mso-color-alt:windowtext"> Sushmita color:black"> mso-color-alt:windowtext"> color:black">vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Dear Sushmita and list, > > I would just like to add one more point to the discussion. The Arudhapada of > the 12th house is known variously as Vyayapada, Upapada and Gaunapada. In > its highest sense, it is Gaunapada, (gauna meaning that which matters) and > in its lowest sense, it is Vyayapada (deriving from vyaya bhava) meaning > expenditure. Gaunapada means giving in the most complete sense when the > expenditure actually becomes an investment. Marriage/spouse is just one > aspect of giving where Gaunapada is concerned, implying Upapada is but just > a part of it. When you fast on the Gaunapada day, you are striving to make > your life better in all its aspects, of which your marriage/spouse is just a > part, albeit an important one. Vishnu sits in the 12th house receiving all > that you offer; the more you give, the more He receives, and greater are the > blessings that shall be bestowed upon you. All one's sacrifices, 'giving', > worships, mantras are received by Vishnu in the 12th house. Hence, a benefic > in the 12th house causes shubhayoga on the lagna, removing all its curses. > Upapada thus has nothing to do with physicality but is a commitment, to > 'dedicate' (arpan), to 'give' to the spouse. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > windowtext"> The New Search - Faster. Easier. 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Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Dear Learned Sarbani, Very nice of you to answer it with so much of depth. The concepts become so clearer. If, I can venture to ask something a bit complicated for me, they say one has to take UL as a serious relationship lasting one year and then count the number of relationships with the next UL being shifted to the 8th from the present one. 1. In case of a person who has had some serious relationships and now wants to pursue marriage or giving, should it be advised to fast on the original UL in the Rasi Chart or do we have to calculate the current UL. 2. What should be done in the case of Samdhi Lagna's. 3. On another thought, since Navamsa refers to inherent strengths and also the spouse, would it be more advisable to fast on the UL lords day of the D9 chart. This is in case of girl/boy wanting marriage. My sincere thanks to you and Kanu priya and others for answering my queries, I hope Guru Sanjay answers on those few remaining questions which Kanu Priya preferred not to reply . Warm regards, Sushmita vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Sushmita, > > The presence of benefics will ease the suffering considerably. Jupiter's > placement in the 12th is considered one of the best positions for the Deva > Guru, as Jupiter represents Vishnu. Posited in Vishnusthana, it is > considered ideal, as it would receive the offering of fasting. The effects > of 'giving' will be duly felt and the fruits of the fasting and sacrifice > will be reaped. Malefics will ensure that you have to give that much more; > that you will have to strive that much harder, expect frustrations, futility > and delays. In the case of the presence of malefics, make sure you keep > stringent, regular fasts followed by the annadana as discussed in the other > mails. Fruits may be reaped after prolonged periods of sacrifice and giving, > dependant upon the degree of maleficance. Mixed planets will give mixed > results, and all of them subject to the normal astrological parameters of > aspects etc. > > If you keep the basic philosophy of Gaunapada in mind then all confusion > regarding whether or not to fast on the lord of AL's day or "what happens > when AL and UL are together, the lords are the same" kind of arguments, will > dispel in a moment. Gaunapada fasting is a necessity for everybody whether > they are unmarried, married or a parivrajak, as it will hasten the process > of giving which is a must for all souls, as we are born for that very > purpose. The giving should be complete, like surrender, like a flowing > stream, and not painful, like the thought of 'giving up' something. The more > we give, the smoother our life is in all its aspects. For those unmarried, > Gaunapada also brings about marriage as marriage provides another karmic > area for us to 'give'. As I mentioned earlier marriage is not about > physicality but a commitment to give. Otherwise, we would have simply taken > the Arudhapada of the seventh house. Darapada does not denote giving; it > merely pertains to the realities of the physical level. The Arudhapada of > the 12th house denotes giving. As the Gaunapada is only about that, and that > is all that is "gauna' or matters. Sun is the greatest giver, and that is > why the Sun is never malefic for Upapada ("naatra ravih paapa" - Jaimini) > Those with AL and UL together are fortunate, as they have found the spouse > with whom they are one in body, mind and soul. Sri Rama had AL and UL > together. In such situations, giving becomes that much easier, smoother. If > Darapada is conjoined, then it implies that the lover and the spouse are the > same, or that the Darapada converted to Upapada. In both cases, they denote > one person, and hence signify commitment and are ideal situations. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > Sushmita S [sushmita34] > Monday, May 12, 2003 12:08 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Fasting on UL days > > Dear Sarbani, > Thanks a lot for the illuminating knowledge on Gaunapada, it just makes more > sense to me. > On the part wherein you said that a benefic in the 12th house removes all > the curses in a chart, now what if there is a benefic and a malefic > (naisargika) in the 12th house or say that there is a benefic in 12th but > receives drishti of a malefic. > Will this still remove the curses in a chart. > thanks for your reply, > Warm regards, > > Sushmita > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology> , "Sarbani Sarkar" < sarbani@s > <sarbani@s> ...> wrote: > > Dear Sushmita and list, > > > > I would just like to add one more point to the discussion. The Arudhapada > of > > the 12th house is known variously as Vyayapada, Upapada and Gaunapada. In > > its highest sense, it is Gaunapada, (gauna meaning that which matters) and > > in its lowest sense, it is Vyayapada (deriving from vyaya bhava) meaning > > expenditure. Gaunapada means giving in the most complete sense when the > > expenditure actually becomes an investment. Marriage/spouse is just one > > aspect of giving where Gaunapada is concerned, implying Upapada is but > just > > a part of it. When you fast on the Gaunapada day, you are striving to make > > your life better in all its aspects, of which your marriage/spouse is just > a > > part, albeit an important one. Vishnu sits in the 12th house receiving all > > that you offer; the more you give, the more He receives, and greater are > the > > blessings that shall be bestowed upon you. All one's sacrifices, 'giving', > > worships, mantras are received by Vishnu in the 12th house. Hence, a > benefic > > in the 12th house causes shubhayoga on the lagna, removing all its curses. > > Upapada thus has nothing to do with physicality but is a commitment, to > > 'dedicate' (arpan), to 'give' to the spouse. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > _____ > > > The New Search > <http://us.rd./search/mailsig/*http://search.> - Faster. > Easier. Bingo. > > > Sponsor > > > > Choose your car now! > - Make - Acura AM General Aston Martin Audi Bentley BMW Buick Cadillac > Chevrolet Chevrolet Truck Chrysler Daewoo Dodge Dodge Truck Ferrari Ford > Ford Truck GMC GMC Truck Honda Hyundai Infiniti Isuzu Jaguar Jeep Kia > Lamborghini Land Rover Lexus Lincoln Lotus Mazda Mazda Truck Mercedes-Benz > Mercury Mitsubishi Nissan Nissan Truck Oldsmobile Plymouth Pontiac Porsche > Rolls-Royce Saab Saturn Subaru Suzuki Toyota Toyota Truck Volkswagen Volvo > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 dear gurus, forgive me for my ignorence. kindly tell, if rahu or ketu is in the second from UL, than who should be the deity ? also, suppose spouse is seriously ill..can this fasting help in health matters also ? with regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Dear Sushmita, I am a beginner and very new to astrology. Am just trying to understand the concept of UL and AL. As per my amateur undestanding, UL is always 12th house from AL. Qutoing Robert Koch - It is also very important to note the Upapada lagna (Arudha of the 12th house), to determine the nature, attributes, and qualities of the spouse, as well as the times in life when marriage might, or might not, occur. Look for afflictions to the same, in cases wherein divorce is to be predicted. That is how we calculate UL. In that case, how can they be together as in Sri Ram's case? Or is there some other way of calcualting UL? Thanks. NC Gupta Rgds, vedic astrology, "sushmita34" <sushmita34> wrote: > Dear Learned Sarbani, > > Very nice of you to answer it with so much of depth. The concepts > become so clearer. > > If, I can venture to ask something a bit complicated for me, they say > one has to take UL as a serious relationship lasting one year and > then count the number of relationships with the next UL being shifted > to the 8th from the present one. > > 1. In case of a person who has had some serious relationships and now > wants to pursue marriage or giving, should it be advised to fast on > the original UL in the Rasi Chart or do we have to calculate the > current UL. > > 2. What should be done in the case of Samdhi Lagna's. > > 3. On another thought, since Navamsa refers to inherent strengths and > also the spouse, would it be more advisable to fast on the UL lords > day of the D9 chart. This is in case of girl/boy wanting marriage. > > My sincere thanks to you and Kanu priya and others for answering my > queries, I hope Guru Sanjay answers on those few remaining questions > which Kanu Priya preferred not to reply . > > Warm regards, > > Sushmita > > vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar" > <sarbani@s...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Sushmita, > > > > The presence of benefics will ease the suffering considerably. > Jupiter's > > placement in the 12th is considered one of the best positions for > the Deva > > Guru, as Jupiter represents Vishnu. Posited in Vishnusthana, it is > > considered ideal, as it would receive the offering of fasting. The > effects > > of 'giving' will be duly felt and the fruits of the fasting and > sacrifice > > will be reaped. Malefics will ensure that you have to give that > much more; > > that you will have to strive that much harder, expect frustrations, > futility > > and delays. In the case of the presence of malefics, make sure you > keep > > stringent, regular fasts followed by the annadana as discussed in > the other > > mails. Fruits may be reaped after prolonged periods of sacrifice > and giving, > > dependant upon the degree of maleficance. Mixed planets will give > mixed > > results, and all of them subject to the normal astrological > parameters of > > aspects etc. > > > > If you keep the basic philosophy of Gaunapada in mind then all > confusion > > regarding whether or not to fast on the lord of AL's day or "what > happens > > when AL and UL are together, the lords are the same" kind of > arguments, will > > dispel in a moment. Gaunapada fasting is a necessity for everybody > whether > > they are unmarried, married or a parivrajak, as it will hasten the > process > > of giving which is a must for all souls, as we are born for that > very > > purpose. The giving should be complete, like surrender, like a > flowing > > stream, and not painful, like the thought of 'giving up' something. > The more > > we give, the smoother our life is in all its aspects. For those > unmarried, > > Gaunapada also brings about marriage as marriage provides another > karmic > > area for us to 'give'. As I mentioned earlier marriage is not about > > physicality but a commitment to give. Otherwise, we would have > simply taken > > the Arudhapada of the seventh house. Darapada does not denote > giving; it > > merely pertains to the realities of the physical level. The > Arudhapada of > > the 12th house denotes giving. As the Gaunapada is only about that, > and that > > is all that is "gauna' or matters. Sun is the greatest giver, and > that is > > why the Sun is never malefic for Upapada ("naatra ravih paapa" - > Jaimini) > > Those with AL and UL together are fortunate, as they have found the > spouse > > with whom they are one in body, mind and soul. Sri Rama had AL and > UL > > together. In such situations, giving becomes that much easier, > smoother. If > > Darapada is conjoined, then it implies that the lover and the > spouse are the > > same, or that the Darapada converted to Upapada. In both cases, > they denote > > one person, and hence signify commitment and are ideal situations. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > Sushmita S [sushmita34] > > Monday, May 12, 2003 12:08 PM > > vedic astrology > > [vedic astrology] Re: Fasting on UL days > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > Thanks a lot for the illuminating knowledge on Gaunapada, it just > makes more > > sense to me. > > On the part wherein you said that a benefic in the 12th house > removes all > > the curses in a chart, now what if there is a benefic and a malefic > > (naisargika) in the 12th house or say that there is a benefic in > 12th but > > receives drishti of a malefic. > > Will this still remove the curses in a chart. > > thanks for your reply, > > Warm regards, > > > > Sushmita > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology> , "Sarbani Sarkar" < > sarbani@s > > <sarbani@s> ...> wrote: > > > Dear Sushmita and list, > > > > > > I would just like to add one more point to the discussion. The > Arudhapada > > of > > > the 12th house is known variously as Vyayapada, Upapada and > Gaunapada. In > > > its highest sense, it is Gaunapada, (gauna meaning that which > matters) and > > > in its lowest sense, it is Vyayapada (deriving from vyaya bhava) > meaning > > > expenditure. Gaunapada means giving in the most complete sense > when the > > > expenditure actually becomes an investment. Marriage/spouse is > just one > > > aspect of giving where Gaunapada is concerned, implying Upapada > is but > > just > > > a part of it. When you fast on the Gaunapada day, you are > striving to make > > > your life better in all its aspects, of which your > marriage/spouse is just > > a > > > part, albeit an important one. Vishnu sits in the 12th house > receiving all > > > that you offer; the more you give, the more He receives, and > greater are > > the > > > blessings that shall be bestowed upon you. All one's > sacrifices, 'giving', > > > worships, mantras are received by Vishnu in the 12th house. > Hence, a > > benefic > > > in the 12th house causes shubhayoga on the lagna, removing all > its curses. > > > Upapada thus has nothing to do with physicality but is a > commitment, to > > > 'dedicate' (arpan), to 'give' to the spouse. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Sarbani > > > > > _____ > > > > > > The New Search > > <http://us.rd./search/mailsig/*http://search.> - > Faster. > > Easier. 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Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Dear Naresh, Greetings to you. No UL need not be always 12th from AL, I think you have got it wrong on the calculation of arudhas, pls refer to this link on how to do so. http://www.srath.com/lesson/vry_al.htm AL and UL can be together, I don't offhand remember charts where they are there, but I have come across such charts. When I find them I would send it to you on your personal id. Ok, here I copy a part of that article on how to calculate: CALCULATING ARUDHA LAGNA Counting the number of signs from the lord of Lagna as it has gained from Lagna we arrive at the Arudha Lagna. For example, if the lord of Lagna is in the third house, counting three signs from the third house, we arrive at the fifth house that becomes the Arudha Lagna. There are two riders to this firstly, if the Arudha Lagna is in the Lagna itself (i.e. the Lagna lord is in the first or seventh house). The tenth house should be treated as the Arudha Lagna. Secondly, if the Arudha Lagna is in the seventh house (i.e. the lord of Lagna is placed in the fourth and tenth house), then the fourth house should be treated as the Arudha Lagna. The Arudha Lagna plays a vital role in determining our states/job in this material world. Hope this helps, Warm regards, Sushmita vedic astrology, "nareshcg" <nareshcg> wrote: > Dear Sushmita, > > I am a beginner and very new to astrology. Am just trying to > understand the concept of UL and AL. As per my amateur undestanding, > UL is always 12th house from AL. > > Qutoing Robert Koch - It is also very important to note the Upapada > lagna (Arudha of the 12th house), to determine the nature, > attributes, and qualities of the spouse, as well as the times in > life when marriage might, or might not, occur. Look for afflictions > to the same, in cases wherein divorce is to be predicted. > > That is how we calculate UL. In that case, how can they be together > as in Sri Ram's case? Or is there some other way of calcualting UL? > > Thanks. > > NC Gupta > > Rgds, > > vedic astrology, "sushmita34" > <sushmita34> wrote: > > Dear Learned Sarbani, > > > > Very nice of you to answer it with so much of depth. The concepts > > become so clearer. > > > > If, I can venture to ask something a bit complicated for me, they > say > > one has to take UL as a serious relationship lasting one year and > > then count the number of relationships with the next UL being > shifted > > to the 8th from the present one. > > > > 1. In case of a person who has had some serious relationships and > now > > wants to pursue marriage or giving, should it be advised to fast > on > > the original UL in the Rasi Chart or do we have to calculate the > > current UL. > > > > 2. What should be done in the case of Samdhi Lagna's. > > > > 3. On another thought, since Navamsa refers to inherent strengths > and > > also the spouse, would it be more advisable to fast on the UL > lords > > day of the D9 chart. This is in case of girl/boy wanting marriage. > > > > My sincere thanks to you and Kanu priya and others for answering > my > > queries, I hope Guru Sanjay answers on those few remaining > questions > > which Kanu Priya preferred not to reply . > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Sushmita > > > > vedic astrology, "Sarbani Sarkar" > > <sarbani@s...> wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Sushmita, > > > > > > The presence of benefics will ease the suffering considerably. > > Jupiter's > > > placement in the 12th is considered one of the best positions > for > > the Deva > > > Guru, as Jupiter represents Vishnu. Posited in Vishnusthana, it > is > > > considered ideal, as it would receive the offering of fasting. > The > > effects > > > of 'giving' will be duly felt and the fruits of the fasting and > > sacrifice > > > will be reaped. Malefics will ensure that you have to give that > > much more; > > > that you will have to strive that much harder, expect > frustrations, > > futility > > > and delays. In the case of the presence of malefics, make sure > you > > keep > > > stringent, regular fasts followed by the annadana as discussed > in > > the other > > > mails. Fruits may be reaped after prolonged periods of sacrifice > > and giving, > > > dependant upon the degree of maleficance. Mixed planets will > give > > mixed > > > results, and all of them subject to the normal astrological > > parameters of > > > aspects etc. > > > > > > If you keep the basic philosophy of Gaunapada in mind then all > > confusion > > > regarding whether or not to fast on the lord of AL's day > or "what > > happens > > > when AL and UL are together, the lords are the same" kind of > > arguments, will > > > dispel in a moment. Gaunapada fasting is a necessity for > everybody > > whether > > > they are unmarried, married or a parivrajak, as it will hasten > the > > process > > > of giving which is a must for all souls, as we are born for that > > very > > > purpose. The giving should be complete, like surrender, like a > > flowing > > > stream, and not painful, like the thought of 'giving up' > something. > > The more > > > we give, the smoother our life is in all its aspects. For those > > unmarried, > > > Gaunapada also brings about marriage as marriage provides > another > > karmic > > > area for us to 'give'. As I mentioned earlier marriage is not > about > > > physicality but a commitment to give. Otherwise, we would have > > simply taken > > > the Arudhapada of the seventh house. Darapada does not denote > > giving; it > > > merely pertains to the realities of the physical level. The > > Arudhapada of > > > the 12th house denotes giving. As the Gaunapada is only about > that, > > and that > > > is all that is "gauna' or matters. Sun is the greatest giver, > and > > that is > > > why the Sun is never malefic for Upapada ("naatra ravih paapa" - > > Jaimini) > > > Those with AL and UL together are fortunate, as they have found > the > > spouse > > > with whom they are one in body, mind and soul. Sri Rama had AL > and > > UL > > > together. In such situations, giving becomes that much easier, > > smoother. If > > > Darapada is conjoined, then it implies that the lover and the > > spouse are the > > > same, or that the Darapada converted to Upapada. In both cases, > > they denote > > > one person, and hence signify commitment and are ideal > situations. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > Sushmita S [sushmita34] > > > Monday, May 12, 2003 12:08 PM > > > vedic astrology > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Fasting on UL days > > > > > > Dear Sarbani, > > > Thanks a lot for the illuminating knowledge on Gaunapada, it > just > > makes more > > > sense to me. > > > On the part wherein you said that a benefic in the 12th house > > removes all > > > the curses in a chart, now what if there is a benefic and a > malefic > > > (naisargika) in the 12th house or say that there is a benefic in > > 12th but > > > receives drishti of a malefic. > > > Will this still remove the curses in a chart. > > > thanks for your reply, > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Sushmita > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > <vedic astrology> , "Sarbani Sarkar" < > > sarbani@s > > > <sarbani@s> ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sushmita and list, > > > > > > > > I would just like to add one more point to the discussion. The > > Arudhapada > > > of > > > > the 12th house is known variously as Vyayapada, Upapada and > > Gaunapada. In > > > > its highest sense, it is Gaunapada, (gauna meaning that which > > matters) and > > > > in its lowest sense, it is Vyayapada (deriving from vyaya > bhava) > > meaning > > > > expenditure. Gaunapada means giving in the most complete sense > > when the > > > > expenditure actually becomes an investment. Marriage/spouse is > > just one > > > > aspect of giving where Gaunapada is concerned, implying > Upapada > > is but > > > just > > > > a part of it. When you fast on the Gaunapada day, you are > > striving to make > > > > your life better in all its aspects, of which your > > marriage/spouse is just > > > a > > > > part, albeit an important one. Vishnu sits in the 12th house > > receiving all > > > > that you offer; the more you give, the more He receives, and > > greater are > > > the > > > > blessings that shall be bestowed upon you. All one's > > sacrifices, 'giving', > > > > worships, mantras are received by Vishnu in the 12th house. > > Hence, a > > > benefic > > > > in the 12th house causes shubhayoga on the lagna, removing all > > its curses. > > > > Upapada thus has nothing to do with physicality but is a > > commitment, to > > > > 'dedicate' (arpan), to 'give' to the spouse. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > The New Search > > > > <http://us.rd./search/mailsig/*http://search.> - > > Faster. > > > Easier. Bingo. > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Choose your car now! > > > - Make - Acura AM General Aston Martin Audi Bentley BMW Buick > > Cadillac > > > Chevrolet Chevrolet Truck Chrysler Daewoo Dodge Dodge Truck > Ferrari > > Ford > > > Ford Truck GMC GMC Truck Honda Hyundai Infiniti Isuzu Jaguar > Jeep > > Kia > > > Lamborghini Land Rover Lexus Lincoln Lotus Mazda Mazda Truck > > Mercedes-Benz > > > Mercury Mitsubishi Nissan Nissan Truck Oldsmobile Plymouth > Pontiac > > Porsche > > > Rolls-Royce Saab Saturn Subaru Suzuki Toyota Toyota Truck > > Volkswagen Volvo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service > > > <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted May 16, 2003 Report Share Posted May 16, 2003 Thank you sir for guidence and clearing my doubts. with regards, qamar - Sarajit Poddar vedic astrology Thursday, May 15, 2003 11:00 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Fasting on UL days Jaya JagannathDear ..., Worship Durga for Rahu and Ganesha for Ketu. Best Wishes Sarajit - qnastro vedic astrology Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:52 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Fasting on UL days dear gurus, forgive me for my ignorence. kindly tell, if rahu or ketu is in the second from UL, than who should be the deity ? also, suppose spouse is seriously ill..can this fasting help in health matters also ? with regards, Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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