2-, from Mark, 9/8, re... Guru Sat? ....!!!!

[Guest guest]

I have a question for all:

We make such a big deal about Sadi Sat....

when Saturn is transiting...where the Moon is in our charts...

ie... the Sign before, the Sign where our Moon is at and even the Sign

following...

But the thought came to me today....

what about when Jupiter is transiting!

Is there a Guru Sat?

hehe

I think this could be an especially wonderful Transit....

and even

more important than the Sadi...one....

Enjoy

Mark Kincaid

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"amolmandar" <amolmandar >

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Re: Astrology is it Vedic ???????????? ( To all concerned)

Mon, Sep 8, 2003, 11:30 AM

Dear RAjeev Namste

I am glad that you are ready to accept whatever is truth. WHat I

could gather from mails is that in your opinion whatever is written

in Vedas is truth. So if there exist a reference present in the

Vedas of effect of Nakstaras and other celestial bodies then you

will accept it as Truth.

Before that we have to accept that basic of Vedic Astrology is that

Celestial Bodies Affect Our Life. Once you accept that then I will

show that Veads accept this CBAOL principle and that way you should

accept Vedas have references of Astrology. Do you agree on this.?

Regarding, translation of Sanskrit language I said because you may

be then guided by some one eles's thoughts and not of yours. That

may lead to another debate. I did not mean to stop the thread.

Now read some of the Astrological richas from Atharvaveda

Chitrani Sakam divi rochanani sarisurpani bhuvane javani|

turmisham sumatimichamano ahani geerbhiH sarparyami nakam|| Athr

19|7|1)

Free translation

There are many Nakshatras present in the Dhulok. They all travel

together and travel in a haphazard manner in a rapid speed. Wishing

well for me I worship all of them and wish that they should give me

Sukha and Shanti.

This clearly states that Athrvaveda etablishes the relation between

Nakshatras and human life.

The richa says that I worship them(Nakshatras) for my Sukha. It

means that Vedas belive that these Nakshatras Affect Our Life. That

is why the richa.

If you dont agree on this then read the next one.

Yani Nakshatrani divyantarikshe apsu bhumaoo yani nageshu dikshu |

prakalpyamshachandrama yaneti sarvani mamiitani shivani santu|| Atrv

19/8/1

Free translation

[The Nakstaras which become powerful because of Chandrama, all of

them should bring happiness for me in Sky, Antariksha, Water, Earth,

Mountains and in all directions. ]

This clearly shows that Vedas belive that Nakshatras become powerful

because of Chandrama and as well belive that they affect our life

that is why this richa. Purely astrological concept.

Next it says

Asthavishani shivani shagamani saha yogam bhajantu me|

yogam prapadhe kshemam prapadhe yogam cha namoahoratrabhyam stu||

19/8/2

Free translation

[28 nakshartas should give me all that which will good and happy.

They should give me power to possess and power to protect. In other

words I should get power to possess along with power to protect and

power of protect along with possess. Namaskar to both Ahoratra.]

The thing which you dont have, obtaining it is called as Yog and

controling/protecting what you have is Kshema. Thats why there is

term as 'Yogakhemam'. This richa does exactly that. This makes amply

clear that Vedas belive that clelestial bodies affect our life.

Assuming that you are not too comfortable with Astrology the

term 'Ahoratra' is very important in Astrology which is used in this

richa. In that sense as well it attest Astrology.

In the all the richas seen so far it proves that Vedas belive that

celestial bodies affect our life and these bodies are capable of

giving us happiness and that is why they worship these bodies and

demand happiness from them. This is purely Astrological concept.

Astronomy does not have these concept.

This means that vedas have references of Astrology as well. And you

are to accept what ever is Truth and present in Vedas. Now I await

for your acceptence of Astrology as Truth.

Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

AmolMAndar

vedic astrology, Rajeev Kumar <satpath1>

wrote:

> Namaste AmolMandar Ji,

>

> I will accept whatever is truth.

>

> I said that celestial bodies have effect on our body. Like for e.g

the cosmic radiations coming from Sun and stars . Many of these like

sun,moon,earth,shani, brihaspati and other graha have been

described as Vasu in Vedas. I don't think shani, brihaspati they

have any remarkable effect (except gravitational force) on us

compared to moon . One of the main usage of celestial bodies is

for time calculation and finding the directions also.

>

>

> As far as translating of Vedas is concerned , yes I don't have

knowledge of Sanskrit language. I have never said in any of my mail

that I know Sanskrit.

>

> But then why Vedas were translated into Hindi, English and other

languages ? simply because even those who donot understand sanskrit

can read and understand them.

>

> If you end up the discussion simply because my inability to

translate Veda mantra then tell me why these translations are

available then???

>

>

>

>

> Regards

>

> Rajeev

>

> amolmandar <amolmandar> wrote:

> Dear Rajeev Namste

>

> You wrote

>

> "As far as the effect of Celestial body on humans is concerned I

> agree that sun rays heats and lights our body and everthing around

> us ,similarly for other celestial bodies."

>

> Here you agree that celestial bodies affect our life but not

fully.

> I dont understand your last portion "similarly for other celestial

> bodies". Can you please tell me other than Moon and Sun which

> celestial body affect your body? People say that there is Graha

> Called Shani far away from earth. Atleast I have not seen anybody

> whose body is affected because of this Shani Graha like Sun. You

say

> that like Sun other celestial bodies affect your Body? Please

share

> your expirences with us about this.

>

> I never said that celesital bodies affect your Job prospocts till

> now. Right now we want to fix up the issue of Celestial Bodies

> Affect Our Life principle. You have agreed but partially. So lets

> agree fully then we shall come to other quries.

>

> The verses which I gave you should be more than sufficent for you

to

> decide. Please give me the actual translation of it. Why are you

> waiting for Vedas copy? Does that mean you are not capable of

> translating Sanskrit yourself? Please give me the translation

> first. On the other hand I expected it in this reply only. Without

> that there is no point in arguing.

>

> In case you are going to refer someone else or Book,please let me

> know. Becasue that will add another indirection.

>

> So right now answer my question How a Graha(Celestial Body) called

> by many as Shani affects your Body? Or How Nakshatra affects your

> Body? NAkshatra is collection of stars. Above all there is a psudo-

> graha called as Rahu which is not even non-living being but Vedas

> say that it affects our body. What do you say about this?

According

> to your logic only Living beings can affcet your life and non

living

> beings can affcet your body like Sun and Moon but can there be any

> affect of Rahu which is neither Living nor non-Living being? Vedas

> approve of this. So think more about this before you form your

> opinion.

>

> As you have not commented on my earlier proofs I will not produce

> other. Do not try to direct the things by saying "Show me all the

> evidences within 2-3 days..." Now the speed will be decided by

your

> answers and not by your wish.

>

> One last point I hope you will not come up with the excuse by

> saying "My copy of Vedas dont have richas given by you so Your

> source of Vedas is not correct but mine is". I have everything

from

> Gita Press Gorakpur which is considered as Authority in printing

> Vedic sahitya.

>

> Thnaks a lot for your Time and Space.

>

> AmolMAndar

>

>

>

>

> vedic astrology, Rajeev Kumar

<satpath1>

> wrote:

> > Namaste AmolMandar Ji,

> >

> > Yes celestial bodies affect us, but so does things and people

> around us like a thief may affect us, similarly the air we breathe

> affect us As far as the effect of Celestial body on humans is

> concerned I agree that sun rays heats and lights our body and

> everthing around us ,similarly for other celestial bodies.

> >

> > These bodies affect only the body part and as I said God has

> created our body system that it has the capacity to nullify the

bad

> effects, like when the body temperature rises the perspiration

> process cools the body etc.

> > But if somebody says that celestial bodies decide your getting

the

> job or marriage etc. then how can it be possible as celestial

bodies

> are nothing but non living beings.

> >

> > Whether you(Atma) is the controller of your body or your body

> controls the fate of yours.

> >

> > There are four elements necessary to convey a complete sense of

a

> passage.

> >

> > 1.Akankasha consists in entering the spirit of the speaker or

the

> author.

> >

> > 2. Yogyata in the fitness of compatability of sense. For

instance,

> when it is said "water irrigates" there is nothing absurd in the

> mutual connection between the objects signified by the words.

> > 3. Asatti consists in regarding or speaking words in proper

> sequence, i.e., without detaching them from their context.

> > 4. Tatparya is to give the same meaning to the words of a writer

> or a speaker which he intended that they should convey..

> >

> > There are many people who, through bigotry and wrong-headedness,

> misconstrue the meaning of the writer. The sectaries are the

> greatest sinners in this respect because their intellect is

wrapped

> by bigotry.

> >

> > So if you want to show me the evidences which in Vedas are for

> astronomical purpose as astrolgical, then they won't be accepted

as

> evidences.

> >

> > Show me all the evidences within 2-3 days and I will get back to

> you after analysis.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Rajeev

> >

> > amolmandar <amolmandar> wrote:

> > Dear Rajeev Namaste

> >

> > Lets get back to basics. You said "My view point is that

Astrology

> > is used to predict the future of living beings based upon the

> study

> > of planets, sun, moon etc. and also to provide the solutions to

> > avoid undesirable results and attain desirable effects."

> >

> > Yes, but for that purpose one must accept that these celestial

> > bodies affect out life. This is the basic of Astrology in the

view

> > of many. Put it as yes or no.

> >

> > I never said that Moon affects our body, I say whole lot of

> > Celestial bodies affect our life.

> >

> > There is no reference as far as I know about moon affecting

human

> > body, in Vedas. But there is clear cut refernce of clelestial

> bodies

> > affect our life. How accuractly we can predic future of anybody

is

> > matter of another disscussions. Right now we are hitting on one

> > point and it is Astrology has refence in Vedas or not. For that

> > purpose first we must be clear about domain of

> >

> > Astrology. That is why I ask some basic questions about your

> > understanding of Astrology and Astronomy. Again I request you to

> put

> > it yes or no for "Celestial Bodies Affect Our Life" principle. I

> am

> > not saying specifically about moon but rather all celestial

> bodies.

> >

> > Once I get clear answer on this I will produce my proofs.

> >

> > To make it clear that I have proof just read this.

> >

> > The richas of ShanuHshepa rishi

> >

> > Ami ya ruksha nihitas uchha naktam dadrushre kuha citda diveyuH|

> > adabdhani varunasya vratani vichakashchandrama naktameti|(rig

> > 1/24/10)

> >

> > Followed by

> >

> > Veda yo veenam padamantariskhena patatam|

> > Veda NAvaH Samudriya||

> > Veda Maso Dhrutavrato dwadasha prajavatH|

> > Veda ya upajayate||

> >

> >

> > Please analyse these two richas and comment on them. Later I

will

> > produce more of them.

> >

> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> >

> > AmolMAndar

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Rajeev Kumar

> <satpath1>

> > wrote:

> > > Namaste Amol Ji,

> > >

> > > My view point is that Astrology is used to predict the future

of

> > living beings based upon the study of planets, sun, moon etc.

and

> > also to provide the solutions to avoid undesirable results and

> > attain desirable effects.

> > >

> > > I consider these celestial bodies as non living beings , we

can

> > easily predict with great accuracy their movement in future,

like

> > for e.g we can predict the next sun,moon eclipse ,next task of a

> > machine, but living beings are conscious entities they are free

to

> > think and act accordingly so no body can predict their future

with

> > 100% accuracy.

> > >

> > > Had we been not free then our master is the real doer of

> whatever

> > good or bad. Like for e.g somebody killed someone with a gun

then

> in

> > this case neither the maker of the gun nor the gun are culprit

but

> > the person who murdered is culprit.

> > >

> > > As far as the example of moon's effect on human bodies are

> > concerned, offcourse it may have some effect but at the same

time

> > the immune system of human body is such that it automatically

> > develops resistance to cater such ill effects . Like for e.g

every

> > human being is living under an atmospheric pressure of 1 atm and

> our

> > body has been such designed. Similarly astronauts on space

mission

> > are given training and the atmospheric conditions of space are

> > simulated on earth so that their body gets used to of it.So when

> our

> > body system is itself there to take care of these effects then

> whats

> > these astrologers are doing, are they doctors to take care of

our

> > bodies ?

> > >

> > > Even if we accept the view point of Astrologers and their

> > believers then all these people should be far far better than

the

> > non believers of Astrology because they already know the

problems

> > and their accurate solutions, moreover when everything is

> > predestined then again whats the role of Astrologers.

> > >

> > > Can Astrologers gurantee the fate of a person with same

> accuracy

> > as astronomers can predict the movement of celestial bodies or

> > mathematicians can predict the area of a land? if not then its

not

> a

> > science(truth) but a fraud, because truth comprise in knowing a

> > thing as it is nothing more and nothing less.

> > >

> > > If you say yes then I ask can you change those events ? if you

> > cannot then again whats the astrologers doing, if you say yes we

> can

> > then why we have somuch poverty and illness around ?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Rajeev

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > amolmandar <amolmandar> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rajeev NAmaste

> > >

> > > It is good that we agree on number of AVedas and their names.

> Now

> > > lets move ahead by building confidance.

> > >

> > > I wrote previous mail to avoid unnecesary debate afterwards.

Let

> > it

> > > be clear that I have some references but the problem may arise

> > that

> > > on hindsight you may put it as astronomy and I may not agree

to

> > it.

> > > This may cause us to loose the point. So lets be clear what

> > > reference will be Astronomy and what will be Astrology. In

other

> > > words, if you fix up domain of Astronomy it will be good for

me

> to

> > > examine myself and then to decide to put them as proof or not.

> > >

> > >

> > > As far as as Jyotish is concerned,it is shastra of Jyotish.

> Jyoti

> > is

> > > obtained from celestial bodies.The branch of Jyotish in which

we

> > > study physical nature,such as its redius,color,its distance

from

> > sun

> > > or earth and its speed of rotation is Astronomy.(right?)

> > >

> > > And the branch of jyotish in which its effect is express and

> > > accordingly prayer is given then it is not Astronmy and hence

> can

> > be

> > > Astrology. Do you agree? Many say that basic of Astrology is

> that

> > > Celestial Bodies Affect Our Life(CBAOL). If this(CBAOL) is

> > > acknowledge in Vedas then it can be said that vedas have

> reference

> > > of Astrology. Do you agree with this?

> > >

> > > Lets first fix up line of demarcation between Astronomy and

> > > Astrology and then move ahead. But be assured that I do have

> some

> > > references of Astrology based on CBAOL, in Vedas.

> > >

> > > Thanks alot for your Time and Space.

> > >

> > > AmolMAndar

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Rajeev Kumar

> > <satpath1>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Namaste Amolmandar Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Yes I also agree with you that there are 4 vedas and these

> are

> > > Rig,Yajur,Sam and Atharva. I have already told that we have

> > > references to astronomy in Vedas. Please give the references

and

> > > after analysis of the same I will get back to you.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Rajeev

> > > >

> > > > amolmandar <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > Dear Rajeev Namaste

> > > >

> > > > Before we get into Good or Bad work and its relation to

God,I

> > will

> > > > try to show some reference of Jyotish and Astrology in the

> > Vedas.

> > > > For that let me just know will you accept a sukta or Shloka

> > > > describing that the bodies present in the Brahmanda do

affect

> > our

> > > > life and we should pray for good effects from them, as proof

> for

> > > > reference of astrology in any of the four Vedas. Why I am

> asking

> > > > this is that I have some shlokas from Vedas describing this.

> The

> > > > reference of NAvagraha directly or indirectly in the Veda

will

> > be

> > > > acceptred by you as proof of Astrology in Vedas or not? So

if

> a

> > > > shloka says that we should pray these hevenly bodies and

these

> > > > bodies should give us Sukha and Shanti then that should be

> more

> > > than

> > > > enough as proof or not. Or you want all shlokas present in

> > > > Astrological Granthas to be present in Vedas? Let me know

this

> > > first

> > > > and then I will produce for you more than one proof of

Jyotish

> > > i.e.

> > > > astrological and not astromonical reference in Vedas.

> > > >

> > > > One last thing be very clear that Vedas means 1)Rigveda 2)

> > > Yajurveda

> > > > 3)SamaVeda 4) Atharvaveda.

> > > >

> > > > If you agree on this, please let me know.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Sapce.

> > > >

> > > > AmolMAndar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Rajeev Kumar

> > > <satpath1>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Namaste AmolMAndar Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > If every work is work of God then are adulteration,

telling

> > > lies ,

> > > > doing fraud with somebody etc. are also work of God. If we

> > accept

> > > > this then God becomes an adulterator, lier etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic God does not expect the help of anybody in doing

his

> > work

> > > > because he is all powerful , omniscient. The God which

expects

> > > help

> > > > from anybody is not God but a humanbeing or a fraud.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Rajeev

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > amolmandar <amolmandar> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Rajeev Namaste

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the wonderful link.

> > > > >

> > > > > >But here the Astrologers have taken the work of God in

> their

> > > > hand,

> > > > > >is it not against Vedas and Gita ????

> > > > >

> > > > > Dont you feel that every work is 'work' of God. Why to

> single

> > > out

> > > > > Astrologers? Moreover, what is wrong in helping God?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.

> > > > >

> > > > > AmolMAndar

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, Rajeev Kumar

> > > > <satpath1>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrology is it Vedic ? or we are using the name Vedas

> just

> > to

> > > > > brand it as a Vedic science.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am of the view that Astrology is not supported by

> Vedas .

> > In

> > > > > ManuSmriti it is written that whoever disobeys/disregard

> Vedas

> > > is

> > > > an

> > > > > athiest. So those books which are not in accordance with

> Vedas

> > > are

> > > > > anti Vedic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sure that all people on this forum are not blind

> and

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > for them only I am raising this question.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have following point to support my views

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedas , Gita talk at length about the philosophy of KARMA

> > > > (Action)

> > > > > and says that you have right to do the action only and

> result

> > is

> > > > in

> > > > > my(God) hand. But here the Astrologers have taken the work

> of

> > > God

> > > > in

> > > > > their hand, is it not against Vedas and Gita ????

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Vedas and other authoritative scriptures of ancient

> Vedic

> > > > > Rishis no where it is written that sun moon planets etc do

> the

> > > > acts

> > > > > that astrologers generally talk about.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Offcourse Vedas and other vedic scriptures support all

the

> > > true

> > > > > sciences like Astronomy but not even a single word we have

> > found

> > > > on

> > > > > Astrology. If you came across any then please give the

> > reference.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moreover by applying tests of truth the truthfulness of

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > is not proved. The tests of truth are as follows. I am

> making

> > a

> > > > copy

> > > > > and paste from the following site about the ' Tests of

> truth '

> > > > > > http://www.vjsingh.com/chapterthree.html#8

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > THE FIVE TESTS OF TRUTH

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The truth of every thing that is learnt or taught should

> be

> > > > > carefully examined by the following five tests:-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The Veda and nature of God - All that conforms to the

> > > > teachings

> > > > > of the Vedas, nature, attributes and characteristics of

God

> is

> > > > > right, the reverse is wrong.

> > > > > > Laws of Nature - All that tallies with laws of nature

> is

> > > > true,

> > > > > the reverse untrue; e.g., the statement that a child is

born

> > > > without

> > > > > the sexual union of its parents, being opposed to the laws

> of

> > > > nature

> > > > > can never be true.

> > > > > > The practice and teachings of A'ptaas, -i.e., pious,

> > > > truthful,

> > > > > unprejudiced, honest, and learned men. All that is

unopposed

> > to

> > > > > their practice and teachings is acceptable and the reverse

> is

> > > > > unacceptable.

> > > > > > The purity and conviction of one's own soul. - What

is

> > good

> > > > for

> > > > > you is good for the world. What is painful to you is

painful

> > to

> > > > > others. This ought to be the guiding principle of one's

> > conduct

> > > > > towards others.

> > > > > > Eight kinds of evidence

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Direct Cognizance.

> > > > > > Inference.

> > > > > > Analogy.

> > > > > > Testimony.

> > > > > > History.

> > > > > > Deduction.

> > > > > > Possibility.

> > > > > > Non-existence or Negation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Direct Cognizance (Praatyaksha) is that kind of

> > knowledge,

> > > > > which is the result of direct contact of the five senses

> with

> > > > their

> > > > > objects,* of the mind (faculty or organ of attention) with

> the

> > > > > senses, and of the soul with mind. NYAAYA Shaastraa 1: i,

4.

> > > > > > But this knowledge must not be that of the

relation

> of

> > > > words

> > > > > with the things signified, as of the word "water" with the

> > fluid

> > > > > called "water", For example, you ask your servant to bring

> you

> > > > some

> > > > > water. He brings water, puts it before you, and

says : 'Here

> > is

> > > > > water, Sir.' Now, what you and your servant see is not the

> > > > > word "water" but the object signified by it. So ou have

the

> > > direct

> > > > > knowledge of the object called water. But the knowledge

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This knowledge must not be of temporary or

transient

> > > > > character, i.e., not the product of observation under

> > > unfavourable

> > > > > circumstances; for example, a person saw something at

night

> > and

> > > > took

> > > > > it for a man , but when it was daylight he found out his

> > mistake

> > > > and

> > > > > knew that it was not a man, but a pillar. Now, his first

> > > > impression

> > > > > of the thing was of a temporary or transient nature, which

> > gave

> > > > > place to permanent knowledge later on, when the true

nature

> of

> > > the

> > > > > thing was revealed in the light.

> > > > > > It should be free from all elements of doubt, and

be

> > > > certain

> > > > > in character. For example, you see a river from a distance

> and

> > > > > say: "Is it water there or white clothes spread out to

dry?"

> > Or

> > > > take

> > > > > another example, you see a man from a distance and say: Is

> it

> > > Deva

> > > > > Datta standing there or Yajna Datta?" Now, as long as you

> are

> > in

> > > > > doubt and consequently not sure about a thing you observe,

> > your

> > > > > knowledge cannot be called Pratyaksha (Direct Cognizance).

> To

> > be

> > > > > that the element of doubt must be absolutely eliminated

from

> > it.

> > > > > > Briefly therefore, that knowledge alone is said to be

> Direct

> > > > > Cognizance, which is not the outcome of the relation of

name

> > > with

> > > > > the object signified by it, nor gained under circumstances

> > > > > unfavourable for observation or experiment (Hence

transient

> in

> > > > > character) nor into which any element of doubt enters

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anumaana - inference - Literally it means that which

> follows

> > > > > direct cognizance. Two things have been observed to exist

> > > together

> > > > > at some time and place, when on some other occasion, one

of

> > the

> > > > woe

> > > > > is observed, the other, i.e., the unknown can be

inferred.*

> > For

> > > > > instance, you see a child and you at once infer that he

must

> > > have

> > > > > had parents. Again, seeing the smoke issuing from behind a

> > hill

> > > > you

> > > > > infer the existence of fire. You infer the previous

> > incarnation

> > > of

> > > > > the soul form observing unequal joy and sorrow in this

world

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > present moment.

> > > > > > Inference is of three kinds:-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Purvavat - is one , in which you reason from cause to

> > > effect,

> > > > > e.g., the inference of coming rain form the sight of

clouds;

> > or,

> > > > > again, you see a wedding and naturally infer that some day

> the

> > > > > wedded couple will have children. Or, again, you see

> students

> > > > > engaged in the pursuit of knowledge and you infer that

some

> > day

> > > > they

> > > > > will become men of learning.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sheshavat - inference is one, in which you reason from

> > effects

> > > > to

> > > > > causes. Examples:- You see a flood in the river, and infer

> > that

> > > it

> > > > > must have rained on the mountain from which the river

> issues.

> > > > Again,

> > > > > you see a child and at once infer that the child must have

> had

> > a

> > > > > father. Again, you see this world and infer the existence

of

> > the

> > > > > Spiritual cause - the Creator, as well as of a Material

> cause -

> >

> > > > the

> > > > > elementary matter. Or, again, take another example. When

you

> > se

> > > a

> > > > > man in pleasure and pain, you at once infer that he must

> have

> > > done

> > > > a

> > > > > virtuous or sinful deed before, since you have noticed

that

> > the

> > > > > consequence of a sinful act is pain, and that of a

virtuous

> > > deed,

> > > > > pleasure.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Aaamaanyatodrishata - is that kind of inference, in

which

> > > there

> > > > is

> > > > > no relation of cause and effect between the known datum

and

> > the

> > > > > thing to be inferred, but there is some kind of similarity

> > > between

> > > > > the two. For example, you know that no one can get another

> > place

> > > > > without moving from the first, and hence, if you find a

> person

> > > at

> > > > a

> > > > > certain place, you can easily infer that he must have come

> to

> > > the

> > > > > latter place by moving from the first.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Upamaana - Analogy - is the knowledge of a thing from

its

> > > > likeness

> > > > > to another. The thing which is required to be known is

> called

> > > > > Saadhya, and tha which becomes the means of this knowledge

> > from

> > > > some

> > > > > kind of likeness between the two is called Saadhana

> > > > > > Examples: - a man says to his servant : "Go and fetch

> Vishnu

> > > > > Mittra." The latter answers that he does not know him, as

he

> > has

> > > > > never seen him before. Thereupon the master says :- You

know

> > > Deva

> > > > > Datta, don't you?" Upon the servant's answering in the

> > > > affirmative,

> > > > > his master continues: "Well, Vishnu Mittra is just like

Deva

> > > > Datta."

> > > > > So the servant went out to find Vishnu Mittra. As he was

> > passing

> > > > > through a street, he saw a man very much like Deva Datta,

> and

> > > > > thought that, thta man must be Vishnu Mittra, and

forthwith

> > > > brought

> > > > > him to his master.

> > > > > > Or, take another example. You want to know what a Yak

is.

> > > Well,

> > > > > some one tells you, it is just like an ox. Next time you

go

> to

> > a

> > > > > jungle and happen to see an animal very much like an ox,

you

> > at

> > > > once

> > > > > know that it is the Yak you asked your friend about. Now

> this

> > > kind

> > > > > of knowledge, i.e., knowledge of Vishnu Mittra from his

> > likeness

> > > > to

> > > > > Deva Datta and of a Yak from its likeness to an ox is

> > > > calledUpamaana

> > > > > or knowledge by analogy. The words Vishnu Mittra and Yak

are

> > > > called

> > > > > Saadhya, whilst Deva Datta and ox are called Saadhana, in

> the

> > > > above

> > > > > two instances.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Shabda - Testimony (literally, word) - "The word of an

> A'pt

> > > > > (altruistic teacher) is called Shabda." NYAAYA Shaastra

> 1:,i,

> > 7.

> > > > > > An A'pt is a person who is a thorough scholar, we versed

> in

> > > all

> > > > > the sciences and philosophies, physical and spiritual, is

> > > > virtuous,

> > > > > truthful, active, free from passions and desires, imbued

> with

> > > love

> > > > > for others, and who is an altruistic teacher of humanity

> > solely

> > > > > actuated with the desire of benefiting the world by his

> > > knowledge,

> > > > > experience and convictions. God being the truest and

> greatest

> > of

> > > > all

> > > > > A'ptas, HIs word the Veda is also included in shabda

> > > (Testimony).

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Itihaas - History - is that which tells us that such and

> > such

> > > a

> > > > > person was so and so, he did such and such a thing. In

other

> > > > words,

> > > > > Itihaas is the history of a country or the biography of a

> > > person.

> > > > > NYAAYA Shaastra 2: 2,1.[The experience of the past

recorded

> in

> > > > > history can be applied to solve many a difficult question

of

> > the

> > > > > day. - Tr.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Arthaapatti - Conclusion or deduction. - It is a

> conclusion

> > > > which

> > > > > naturally follows from the statement of a fact; for

> instance,

> > > one

> > > > > says to another: "Rain falls from clouds" or " and effect

> > flows

> > > > from

> > > > > a cause." The natural conclusion that can be drawn from

the

> > > above

> > > > > statement is: "There can be no rain when there are no

> clouds,"

> > > > > or "no effects follow when a cause does not exist."

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sambhava - possibility. - When you hear a thing, the

first

> > > thing

> > > > > that enters your mind is whether such and such a thing is

> > > > possible.

> > > > > Anything that runs counter to the laws of nature is not

> > > possible,

> > > > > and hence it can never be true; for example, if you are

told

> > > that

> > > > a

> > > > > child was born without parents, such and such a person

> raised

> > > the

> > > > > dead to life again, or made stones float on the sea,

lifted

> > > > > mountains, broke the moon into pieces, was God incarnate,

or

> > saw

> > > > > horns on the head of a man, or solemnized the marriage of

a

> > > couple

> > > > > born of sterile mother. You could at once know that it

could

> > not

> > > > > have possibly happened, being opposed to the laws of

Nature.

> > > That

> > > > > alone is possible which is in conformity with the laws of

> > > nature.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Abhaava - Absence or Negation.- You infer the existence

of

> a

> > > > thing

> > > > > in some other place from its absence from the place where

> you

> > > were

> > > > > told you find it; for instance, a gentleman said to his

> > man: "Go

> > > > and

> > > > > bring the elephant from the elephant-house." He went there

> but

> > > > found

> > > > > that the elephant was not there. He naturally conclude

that

> he

> > > > must

> > > > > be somewhere near about. So he went out and looked about

for

> > the

> > > > > elephant and found him not very far from its proper place

> and

> > > > > brought him to his master.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > These eight kinds of evidence have been briefly

described.

> > > Their

> > > > > number can be reduced to four fi History be included under

> > > > > Testimony, and Deduction, Possibility, and Negation under

> > > > > Inference.*

> > > > > > It is only by means of these five criteria that a man

can

> > > > > ascertain what is right or wrong and not otherwise

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you test Astrology against these tests it proves to

be

> a

> > > > fraud.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rajeev

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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