Guest guest Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 Dear Gentlepeople: Yesterday I visited a Radha-Krishna temple. While at the temple I realized that since I was a child, I've heard stories about "leela" between Radha and Krishna and "leela" between Gopis and Krishna; however, I've never heard anything about Lord Krishna's wife. I also realized that I am ignorant on many other things about Lord Krishna, I'm hoping some learned member may post the answers. Here are some questions: 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who are they? 3) Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior class)? 4) How did Lord Krishna die? I remember a story that Lord Krisna died because a hunter (Pardhi) found an arrow in a jungle and used that arrow to hunt. This arrow then struck Lord Krishna is his toe and Lord Krishna died because his "atma" resided in his toe. Is this an accurate story? If yes, why did Lord Krishna, the creator of the universe and the orator of the Hindu way of life die at the hands of an ordinary hunter? Was Lord Krishna born with some karmic deficiencies that led to a voilent death at the hands of a hunter? Why didn't Lord Krishna die at a holy place like Haridwar or Nepal or some sacred place in the Himalayas? Also, why didn't Lord Krishna get a glorious death like Bhisma Pitamah or like Yudhisthir who ascended to heaven. If the story I noted above is incorrect, then how did Lord Krishna die? Dear Gentlepeople, I ask this with utmost respect for Lord Krishna and I ask this only to educate myself. In fact, it is embarassing that I'm Hindu and a Brahmin YET I don't know these facts related to Lord Krishna. Thank you. Mukund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2003 Report Share Posted September 7, 2003 ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ Dear Mukund, I can answer your first question, as I have read about it. 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? Answer: Rukmani regards, Neeraj --- monmuk111 <monmuk111 wrote: > Dear Gentlepeople: > > Yesterday I visited a Radha-Krishna temple. While at > the temple I > realized that since I was a child, I've heard > stories about "leela" > between Radha and Krishna and "leela" between Gopis > and Krishna; > however, I've never heard anything about Lord > Krishna's wife. I also > realized that I am ignorant on many other things > about Lord Krishna, > I'm hoping some learned member may post the answers. > > Here are some questions: > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who > are they? > 3) Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior > class)? > 4) How did Lord Krishna die? > > I remember a story that Lord Krisna died because a > hunter (Pardhi) > found an arrow in a jungle and used that arrow to > hunt. This arrow > then struck Lord Krishna is his toe and Lord Krishna > died because > his "atma" resided in his toe. > > Is this an accurate story? If yes, why did Lord > Krishna, the creator > of the universe and the orator of the Hindu way of > life die at the > hands of an ordinary hunter? Was Lord Krishna born > with some karmic > deficiencies that led to a voilent death at the > hands of a hunter? > Why didn't Lord Krishna die at a holy place like > Haridwar or Nepal or > some sacred place in the Himalayas? > > Also, why didn't Lord Krishna get a glorious death > like Bhisma > Pitamah or like Yudhisthir who ascended to heaven. > > If the story I noted above is incorrect, then how > did Lord Krishna > die? > > Dear Gentlepeople, I ask this with utmost respect > for Lord Krishna > and I ask this only to educate myself. In fact, it > is embarassing > that I'm Hindu and a Brahmin YET I don't know these > facts related to > Lord Krishna. > > Thank you. > Mukund > > ===== http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 Dear Mukund Namste If you allow me to share my little knowledge on this topic,here is what I know about Krishna 1)Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? I think there were 8 of them.SatyaBhabha was is favorite and was daughter of Satrjit.With Rukmini he had a Gandharva Vivaha. Rukmini was the daughter of Bhishmaka, king of Vidarbha. Jambavati was another and daughter of the bear king Jambavan. Kalindi,Yamuna personified,Mitravrinda,the sister of the kings of Avantipura,Nagnajiti or Satya, the daughter of the king of Kosala,Bhadra, the daughter of Krishna's aunt,Laksmana, the daughter of the king of some province( not able to recollect name) were other wives of Krishna. Many say that Rukmini was his favorite as well. Rukmini was incarnation of Laxmi. Specially,Jagganath puri yatra is of Krishna-Rukmini yatra. After the Narakasura Vadha,Krishna got married with 16000 women who were freed by Krishna. So there were 16008 wives to Krishna. Many say from all of them he had 10 sons from each. Many say only from first 8 he had ten sons from each. I am not sure about it. 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who are they? I am not able to recollect all names but I know that Aniruddha was Krishna Grand-Son and son of Pradyumna. Pradyumna was son of Krishna- RUkmini. He was re-incarnation of Kama. Pradyumna was abducted by a demon by name Sambara immediately when he was born to Rukmini. He was held captive by the demon till he attained adolescence and after attaining the age of 16 years, Pradyumna killed the demon and came back to his parents. Another son which I recollect is son of Kriahna-Jambavati. His name was Samba. He abducted Lakshamana daughter of Duryodhana and married with her. He was responsible for end of Yaduvansha. 3)Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior class)? He was son of Vasudev and Devaki from ChandraVansha. He belonged to Kshtriya class. More popularly he was reffered as Yadav Kula which many at that time thought that not pure Kshtriya class. 4)How did Lord Krishna die? and 5) why did Lord Krishna, the creator of the universe and the orator of the Hindu way of life die at the hands of an ordinary hunter? The story you have given is correct. Regarding the answer to 5th question,the answer lies in the fact that Gandhari (Mother of Kauravas) at the end of war held Krishna responsible for the destruction of Kuru Vansha. She then cursed Krishna that after exactly 36 years from now Kriahna vansha/Kula will also see same death. They will fight among each other(like Kauravas) and will destroy each other. Moreover, Krishna will wander in the Jungle like a ordinary person and will be killed by a Vyadha(hunter) like a ordinary person. Hearing this Krishna said "It will happen like this". As I told you,the Samba,son of Kriahna-Jambavati,was responsible for end of Yadu vansha. The story goes like this,Yadavs tried to play trick with Rishi Durvasa by dresing Samba as pregnant woman and asked Durvasa for possible progeny of Samba. He cursed Samba that he will deliver a Iron piller and because of that only whole Yadu purush will die. That is how all died from Yadukula. Krishna received a death like a commoner because of Gandhari Shapa and moreover Krishna accepted that. This is what I could recollect offhand about krishna. I hope this will help you. For many real embarssment comes after they 'study' Hinduism. Just a word of caution! if by any chance you intend to learn Hindu scriptures. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. AmolMAndar vedic astrology, Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > Dear Mukund, > > I can answer your first question, as I have read about > it. > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > Answer: Rukmani > > regards, > > Neeraj > --- monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > Dear Gentlepeople: > > > > Yesterday I visited a Radha-Krishna temple. While at > > the temple I > > realized that since I was a child, I've heard > > stories about "leela" > > between Radha and Krishna and "leela" between Gopis > > and Krishna; > > however, I've never heard anything about Lord > > Krishna's wife. I also > > realized that I am ignorant on many other things > > about Lord Krishna, > > I'm hoping some learned member may post the answers. > > > > Here are some questions: > > > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who > > are they? > > 3) Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior > > class)? > > 4) How did Lord Krishna die? > > > > I remember a story that Lord Krisna died because a > > hunter (Pardhi) > > found an arrow in a jungle and used that arrow to > > hunt. This arrow > > then struck Lord Krishna is his toe and Lord Krishna > > died because > > his "atma" resided in his toe. > > > > Is this an accurate story? If yes, why did Lord > > Krishna, the creator > > of the universe and the orator of the Hindu way of > > life die at the > > hands of an ordinary hunter? Was Lord Krishna born > > with some karmic > > deficiencies that led to a voilent death at the > > hands of a hunter? > > Why didn't Lord Krishna die at a holy place like > > Haridwar or Nepal or > > some sacred place in the Himalayas? > > > > Also, why didn't Lord Krishna get a glorious death > > like Bhisma > > Pitamah or like Yudhisthir who ascended to heaven. > > > > If the story I noted above is incorrect, then how > > did Lord Krishna > > die? > > > > Dear Gentlepeople, I ask this with utmost respect > > for Lord Krishna > > and I ask this only to educate myself. In fact, it > > is embarassing > > that I'm Hindu and a Brahmin YET I don't know these > > facts related to > > Lord Krishna. > > > > Thank you. > > Mukund > > > > > > > ===== > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 Dear AmolMAndar and Mukund, I would like to add the following to the Point 5:- " I remember a story that Lord Krisna died because a hunter (Pardhi) found an arrow in a jungle and used that arrow to hunt. This arrow then struck Lord Krishna is his toe and Lord Krishna died because his "atma" resided in his toe." I think, the Hunter was "Vali" in his previous incarnation, the monkey King who was killed by Lord Rama, isn't it? Regards Rao vedic astrology, "amolmandar" <amolmandar> wrote: > Dear Mukund Namste > > If you allow me to share my little knowledge on this topic,here is > what I know about Krishna > > 1)Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > > I think there were 8 of them.SatyaBhabha was is favorite and was > daughter of Satrjit.With Rukmini he had a Gandharva Vivaha. Rukmini > was the daughter of Bhishmaka, king of Vidarbha. Jambavati was > another and daughter of the bear king Jambavan. Kalindi,Yamuna > personified,Mitravrinda,the sister of the kings of > Avantipura,Nagnajiti or Satya, the daughter of the king of > Kosala,Bhadra, the daughter of Krishna's aunt,Laksmana, the daughter > of the king of some province( not able to recollect name) were other > wives of Krishna. Many say that Rukmini was his favorite as well. > Rukmini was incarnation of Laxmi. Specially,Jagganath puri yatra is > of Krishna-Rukmini yatra. After the Narakasura Vadha,Krishna got > married with 16000 women who were freed by Krishna. So there were > 16008 wives to Krishna. Many say from all of them he had 10 sons > from each. Many say only from first 8 he had ten sons from each. I > am not sure about it. > > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who are they? > > I am not able to recollect all names but I know that Aniruddha was > Krishna Grand-Son and son of Pradyumna. Pradyumna was son of Krishna- > RUkmini. He was re-incarnation of Kama. Pradyumna was abducted by a > demon by name Sambara immediately when he was born to Rukmini. He > was held captive by the demon till he attained adolescence and after > attaining the age of 16 years, Pradyumna killed the demon and came > back to his parents. Another son which I recollect is son of > Kriahna-Jambavati. His name was Samba. He abducted Lakshamana > daughter of Duryodhana and married with her. He was responsible for > end of Yaduvansha. > > 3)Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior class)? > He was son of Vasudev and Devaki from ChandraVansha. He belonged to > Kshtriya class. More popularly he was reffered as Yadav Kula which > many at that time thought that not pure Kshtriya class. > > 4)How did Lord Krishna die? > > and > > 5) why did Lord Krishna, the creator of the universe and the orator > of the Hindu way of life die at the hands of an ordinary hunter? > > The story you have given is correct. Regarding the answer to 5th > question,the answer lies in the fact that Gandhari (Mother of > Kauravas) at the end of war held Krishna responsible for the > destruction of Kuru Vansha. She then cursed Krishna that after > exactly 36 years from now Kriahna vansha/Kula will also see same > death. They will fight among each other(like Kauravas) and will > destroy each other. Moreover, Krishna will wander in the Jungle like > a ordinary person and will be killed by a Vyadha(hunter) like a > ordinary person. > > Hearing this Krishna said "It will happen like this". > > As I told you,the Samba,son of Kriahna-Jambavati,was responsible for > end of Yadu vansha. The story goes like this,Yadavs tried to play > trick with Rishi Durvasa by dresing Samba as pregnant woman and > asked Durvasa for possible progeny of Samba. He cursed Samba that he > will deliver a Iron piller and because of that only whole Yadu > purush will die. That is how all died from Yadukula. Krishna > received a death like a commoner because of Gandhari Shapa and > moreover Krishna accepted that. > > This is what I could recollect offhand about krishna. I hope this > will help you. For many real embarssment comes after they 'study' > Hinduism. Just a word of caution! if by any chance you intend to > learn Hindu scriptures. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > AmolMAndar > > > vedic astrology, Neeraj Gupta > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > Dear Mukund, > > > > I can answer your first question, as I have read about > > it. > > > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > > Answer: Rukmani > > > > regards, > > > > Neeraj > > --- monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > > Dear Gentlepeople: > > > > > > Yesterday I visited a Radha-Krishna temple. While at > > > the temple I > > > realized that since I was a child, I've heard > > > stories about "leela" > > > between Radha and Krishna and "leela" between Gopis > > > and Krishna; > > > however, I've never heard anything about Lord > > > Krishna's wife. I also > > > realized that I am ignorant on many other things > > > about Lord Krishna, > > > I'm hoping some learned member may post the answers. > > > > > > Here are some questions: > > > > > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > > > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who > > > are they? > > > 3) Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior > > > class)? > > > 4) How did Lord Krishna die? > > > > > > I remember a story that Lord Krisna died because a > > > hunter (Pardhi) > > > found an arrow in a jungle and used that arrow to > > > hunt. This arrow > > > then struck Lord Krishna is his toe and Lord Krishna > > > died because > > > his "atma" resided in his toe. > > > > > > Is this an accurate story? If yes, why did Lord > > > Krishna, the creator > > > of the universe and the orator of the Hindu way of > > > life die at the > > > hands of an ordinary hunter? Was Lord Krishna born > > > with some karmic > > > deficiencies that led to a voilent death at the > > > hands of a hunter? > > > Why didn't Lord Krishna die at a holy place like > > > Haridwar or Nepal or > > > some sacred place in the Himalayas? > > > > > > Also, why didn't Lord Krishna get a glorious death > > > like Bhisma > > > Pitamah or like Yudhisthir who ascended to heaven. > > > > > > If the story I noted above is incorrect, then how > > > did Lord Krishna > > > die? > > > > > > Dear Gentlepeople, I ask this with utmost respect > > > for Lord Krishna > > > and I ask this only to educate myself. In fact, it > > > is embarassing > > > that I'm Hindu and a Brahmin YET I don't know these > > > facts related to > > > Lord Krishna. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 Hello Amol: Thank you for the comprehensive response, this really clears some of the questions I had earlier related to Lord Krishna. However, your answer related to Krishna's death begets one more question. Here it goes: If Lord Krishna died a violent and unworthy death in jugle due to the curse of Gandhari, then does the curse of a non-righteous person affect the native? We all know that Krishna was on the side of the righteous and Gandhari despite knowing and acknowledging that her sons were figting a non-righteous batttle, cursed Krishna. Why would a curse of a non- righteous person frutify? Does this mean that anyone and everyone who is jealous of us or whom we're pissing off in some way can curse us and we'd have to bear the fruits of this curse? Lord Krishna's death still doesn't make any sense to me. Even Ravan who was a sinner was blessed with a royal death at the hands of the Ram (God himself), then why was Lord Krihna the creator of the Universe and the "all knowingall encompassing" entiity get such a low death just due to one curse of woman who was on the side of non- righteous. Thank you Mukund vedic astrology, "amolmandar" <amolmandar> wrote: > Dear Mukund Namste > > If you allow me to share my little knowledge on this topic,here is > what I know about Krishna > > 1)Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > > I think there were 8 of them.SatyaBhabha was is favorite and was > daughter of Satrjit.With Rukmini he had a Gandharva Vivaha. Rukmini > was the daughter of Bhishmaka, king of Vidarbha. Jambavati was > another and daughter of the bear king Jambavan. Kalindi,Yamuna > personified,Mitravrinda,the sister of the kings of > Avantipura,Nagnajiti or Satya, the daughter of the king of > Kosala,Bhadra, the daughter of Krishna's aunt,Laksmana, the daughter > of the king of some province( not able to recollect name) were other > wives of Krishna. Many say that Rukmini was his favorite as well. > Rukmini was incarnation of Laxmi. Specially,Jagganath puri yatra is > of Krishna-Rukmini yatra. After the Narakasura Vadha,Krishna got > married with 16000 women who were freed by Krishna. So there were > 16008 wives to Krishna. Many say from all of them he had 10 sons > from each. Many say only from first 8 he had ten sons from each. I > am not sure about it. > > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who are they? > > I am not able to recollect all names but I know that Aniruddha was > Krishna Grand-Son and son of Pradyumna. Pradyumna was son of Krishna- > RUkmini. He was re-incarnation of Kama. Pradyumna was abducted by a > demon by name Sambara immediately when he was born to Rukmini. He > was held captive by the demon till he attained adolescence and after > attaining the age of 16 years, Pradyumna killed the demon and came > back to his parents. Another son which I recollect is son of > Kriahna-Jambavati. His name was Samba. He abducted Lakshamana > daughter of Duryodhana and married with her. He was responsible for > end of Yaduvansha. > > 3)Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior class)? > He was son of Vasudev and Devaki from ChandraVansha. He belonged to > Kshtriya class. More popularly he was reffered as Yadav Kula which > many at that time thought that not pure Kshtriya class. > > 4)How did Lord Krishna die? > > and > > 5) why did Lord Krishna, the creator of the universe and the orator > of the Hindu way of life die at the hands of an ordinary hunter? > > The story you have given is correct. Regarding the answer to 5th > question,the answer lies in the fact that Gandhari (Mother of > Kauravas) at the end of war held Krishna responsible for the > destruction of Kuru Vansha. She then cursed Krishna that after > exactly 36 years from now Kriahna vansha/Kula will also see same > death. They will fight among each other(like Kauravas) and will > destroy each other. Moreover, Krishna will wander in the Jungle like > a ordinary person and will be killed by a Vyadha(hunter) like a > ordinary person. > > Hearing this Krishna said "It will happen like this". > > As I told you,the Samba,son of Kriahna-Jambavati,was responsible for > end of Yadu vansha. The story goes like this,Yadavs tried to play > trick with Rishi Durvasa by dresing Samba as pregnant woman and > asked Durvasa for possible progeny of Samba. He cursed Samba that he > will deliver a Iron piller and because of that only whole Yadu > purush will die. That is how all died from Yadukula. Krishna > received a death like a commoner because of Gandhari Shapa and > moreover Krishna accepted that. > > This is what I could recollect offhand about krishna. I hope this > will help you. For many real embarssment comes after they 'study' > Hinduism. Just a word of caution! if by any chance you intend to > learn Hindu scriptures. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > AmolMAndar > > > vedic astrology, Neeraj Gupta > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > Dear Mukund, > > > > I can answer your first question, as I have read about > > it. > > > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > > Answer: Rukmani > > > > regards, > > > > Neeraj > > --- monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > > Dear Gentlepeople: > > > > > > Yesterday I visited a Radha-Krishna temple. While at > > > the temple I > > > realized that since I was a child, I've heard > > > stories about "leela" > > > between Radha and Krishna and "leela" between Gopis > > > and Krishna; > > > however, I've never heard anything about Lord > > > Krishna's wife. I also > > > realized that I am ignorant on many other things > > > about Lord Krishna, > > > I'm hoping some learned member may post the answers. > > > > > > Here are some questions: > > > > > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > > > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who > > > are they? > > > 3) Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior > > > class)? > > > 4) How did Lord Krishna die? > > > > > > I remember a story that Lord Krisna died because a > > > hunter (Pardhi) > > > found an arrow in a jungle and used that arrow to > > > hunt. This arrow > > > then struck Lord Krishna is his toe and Lord Krishna > > > died because > > > his "atma" resided in his toe. > > > > > > Is this an accurate story? If yes, why did Lord > > > Krishna, the creator > > > of the universe and the orator of the Hindu way of > > > life die at the > > > hands of an ordinary hunter? Was Lord Krishna born > > > with some karmic > > > deficiencies that led to a voilent death at the > > > hands of a hunter? > > > Why didn't Lord Krishna die at a holy place like > > > Haridwar or Nepal or > > > some sacred place in the Himalayas? > > > > > > Also, why didn't Lord Krishna get a glorious death > > > like Bhisma > > > Pitamah or like Yudhisthir who ascended to heaven. > > > > > > If the story I noted above is incorrect, then how > > > did Lord Krishna > > > die? > > > > > > Dear Gentlepeople, I ask this with utmost respect > > > for Lord Krishna > > > and I ask this only to educate myself. In fact, it > > > is embarassing > > > that I'm Hindu and a Brahmin YET I don't know these > > > facts related to > > > Lord Krishna. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Mukund, Namaste. > Dear Gentlepeople: > > Yesterday I visited a Radha-Krishna temple. While at the temple I > realized that since I was a child, I've heard stories about "leela" > between Radha and Krishna and "leela" between Gopis and Krishna; > however, I've never heard anything about Lord Krishna's wife. I also > realized that I am ignorant on many other things about Lord Krishna, > I'm hoping some learned member may post the answers. > > Here are some questions: > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? In Vrindavana-leela, Lord Krishna had no wives. In Dwaraka-leela Krishna married 16108 queens, the main of whom was Rukmini-devi. > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who are they? Each of His 16108 wives gave birth to 10 children, and each of his children had 10 shildren also. Aniruddha is one His famous sons. > 3) Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior class)? He appears in every Varna in fdifferent incarnations. In Vrindavana-leela He was a member of the Vaishya community, as He was the son of Nanda Maharaja and Yasoda-devi. In Dwaraka he was a Kshatriya, as He was the son of Vasudeva and Devaki. In Rama-leela again He was a kshatriya, and when He appeared as Vamanadeva and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He was a brahmana. > 4) How did Lord Krishna die? > > I remember a story that Lord Krisna died because a hunter (Pardhi) > found an arrow in a jungle and used that arrow to hunt. This arrow > then struck Lord Krishna is his toe and Lord Krishna died because > his "atma" resided in his toe. > Is this an accurate story? If yes, why did Lord Krishna, the creator > of the universe and the orator of the Hindu way of life die at the > hands of an ordinary hunter? Was Lord Krishna born with some karmic > deficiencies that led to a voilent death at the hands of a hunter? > Why didn't Lord Krishna die at a holy place like Haridwar or Nepal or > some sacred place in the Himalayas? Lord Krishna returned to His spiritual abode, Goloka Vrindavana at the age of 125. This pastime is described in detail in the XIth Skandha of the Bhagavata Purana. The incident with the hunter was enacted just to bewilder the atheists. It is common sense that no human being will die if his toe is hit by an arrow. And definitely the Supreme Personality fo Godhead will not be harmed. However He left back an illusory body, just to bewilder the atheists, who think that Lord Krishna is also a mere mortal. > Also, why didn't Lord Krishna get a glorious death like Bhisma > Pitamah or like Yudhisthir who ascended to heaven. > > If the story I noted above is incorrect, then how did Lord Krishna > die? > > Dear Gentlepeople, I ask this with utmost respect for Lord Krishna > and I ask this only to educate myself. In fact, it is embarassing > that I'm Hindu and a Brahmin YET I don't know these facts related to > Lord Krishna. Well, if you visit the nearest ISKCON temple, you can purchase all of Srila Prabhupada's books, and you can educate yourself about these questions. Or you may go to the web and read it at www.srimbadbhagavatam.org. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 Dear Amolmandar, An excellent post on the Lord krishna. If I may add Krishna was from Vrishni vansha as stated by himself in Bhagavadgita. Chandrashekhar. amolmandar [amolmandar ]Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:46 PMvedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Questions on Lord KrishnaDear Mukund NamsteIf you allow me to share my little knowledge on this topic,here is what I know about Krishna1)Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna?I think there were 8 of them.SatyaBhabha was is favorite and was daughter of Satrjit.With Rukmini he had a Gandharva Vivaha. Rukmini was the daughter of Bhishmaka, king of Vidarbha. Jambavati was another and daughter of the bear king Jambavan. Kalindi,Yamuna personified,Mitravrinda,the sister of the kings ofAvantipura,Nagnajiti or Satya, the daughter of the king of Kosala,Bhadra, the daughter of Krishna's aunt,Laksmana, the daughter of the king of some province( not able to recollect name) were other wives of Krishna. Many say that Rukmini was his favorite as well. Rukmini was incarnation of Laxmi. Specially,Jagganath puri yatra is of Krishna-Rukmini yatra. After the Narakasura Vadha,Krishna got married with 16000 women who were freed by Krishna. So there were 16008 wives to Krishna. Many say from all of them he had 10 sons from each. Many say only from first 8 he had ten sons from each. I am not sure about it.2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who are they?I am not able to recollect all names but I know that Aniruddha was Krishna Grand-Son and son of Pradyumna. Pradyumna was son of Krishna-RUkmini. He was re-incarnation of Kama. Pradyumna was abducted by a demon by name Sambara immediately when he was born to Rukmini. He was held captive by the demon till he attained adolescence and after attaining the age of 16 years, Pradyumna killed the demon and came back to his parents. Another son which I recollect is son of Kriahna-Jambavati. His name was Samba. He abducted Lakshamana daughter of Duryodhana and married with her. He was responsible for end of Yaduvansha.3)Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior class)?He was son of Vasudev and Devaki from ChandraVansha. He belonged to Kshtriya class. More popularly he was reffered as Yadav Kula which many at that time thought that not pure Kshtriya class. 4)How did Lord Krishna die?and5) why did Lord Krishna, the creator of the universe and the orator of the Hindu way of life die at the hands of an ordinary hunter?The story you have given is correct. Regarding the answer to 5th question,the answer lies in the fact that Gandhari (Mother of Kauravas) at the end of war held Krishna responsible for the destruction of Kuru Vansha. She then cursed Krishna that after exactly 36 years from now Kriahna vansha/Kula will also see same death. They will fight among each other(like Kauravas) and will destroy each other. Moreover, Krishna will wander in the Jungle like a ordinary person and will be killed by a Vyadha(hunter) like a ordinary person.Hearing this Krishna said "It will happen like this".As I told you,the Samba,son of Kriahna-Jambavati,was responsible for end of Yadu vansha. The story goes like this,Yadavs tried to play trick with Rishi Durvasa by dresing Samba as pregnant woman and asked Durvasa for possible progeny of Samba. He cursed Samba that he will deliver a Iron piller and because of that only whole Yadu purush will die. That is how all died from Yadukula. Krishna received a death like a commoner because of Gandhari Shapa and moreover Krishna accepted that.This is what I could recollect offhand about krishna. I hope this will help you. For many real embarssment comes after they 'study' Hinduism. Just a word of caution! if by any chance you intend to learn Hindu scriptures.Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.AmolMAndarvedic astrology, Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote:> ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~> Dear Mukund,> > I can answer your first question, as I have read about> it.> > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna?> Answer: Rukmani> > regards,> > Neeraj> --- monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:> > Dear Gentlepeople:> > > > Yesterday I visited a Radha-Krishna temple. While at> > the temple I > > realized that since I was a child, I've heard> > stories about "leela" > > between Radha and Krishna and "leela" between Gopis> > and Krishna; > > however, I've never heard anything about Lord> > Krishna's wife. I also > > realized that I am ignorant on many other things> > about Lord Krishna, > > I'm hoping some learned member may post the answers.> > > > Here are some questions:> > > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna?> > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who> > are they?> > 3) Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior> > class)?> > 4) How did Lord Krishna die?> > > > I remember a story that Lord Krisna died because a> > hunter (Pardhi) > > found an arrow in a jungle and used that arrow to> > hunt. This arrow > > then struck Lord Krishna is his toe and Lord Krishna> > died because > > his "atma" resided in his toe.> > > > Is this an accurate story? If yes, why did Lord> > Krishna, the creator > > of the universe and the orator of the Hindu way of> > life die at the > > hands of an ordinary hunter? Was Lord Krishna born> > with some karmic > > deficiencies that led to a voilent death at the> > hands of a hunter? > > Why didn't Lord Krishna die at a holy place like> > Haridwar or Nepal or > > some sacred place in the Himalayas? > > > > Also, why didn't Lord Krishna get a glorious death> > like Bhisma > > Pitamah or like Yudhisthir who ascended to heaven. > > > > If the story I noted above is incorrect, then how> > did Lord Krishna > > die?> > > > Dear Gentlepeople, I ask this with utmost respect> > for Lord Krishna > > and I ask this only to educate myself. In fact, it> > is embarassing > > that I'm Hindu and a Brahmin YET I don't know these> > facts related to > > Lord Krishna.> > > > Thank you.> > Mukund> > > > > > > =====> http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/> > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software> Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted September 8, 2003 Report Share Posted September 8, 2003 Dear Mukund, You will find a wound to the feet is a strong theme through many myths of all religions. It is usually an evolved soul who will bear this suffering ie: Chiron the Guru/wounded healer in Greek philosophy. Thought on this one some years back. Feet--Pisces of course, possibly the most spiritual of signs, allowing moksha. There is always an element of suffering involved because of this wound. Seems only fitting Krishna should die in this manner, as it is an indication of 'advancement'. As for curses, Krishna ordained this mode of death and given the spiritual importance, it was hardly unworthy; HE gave Gandhari a great honour. Who's to say she was an unrighteous person?. I believe the 'curse' could not come to pass other than from a righteous person. My mother had a terrible habit of cursing people, and they would fructify. They were usually the 'doubled over in pain' variety. I wouldn't describe her as unrighteous, although I can't imagine why a righteous person would want to inflict pain. She saw it as justice. I never approved of this behaviour regardless of her reasoning and would often force her to 'take it back'!!. My mother had 'powers'. I don't believe 'just anybody' can cause a curse to manifest. I can understand your apprehension, just pray your ex-wives don't get together!! just kidding!! Warm Regards, Ann. Warm Regards, Ann. - monmuk111 vedic astrology Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:56 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Questions on Lord Krishna Hello Amol:Thank you for the comprehensive response, this really clears some of the questions I had earlier related to Lord Krishna.However, your answer related to Krishna's death begets one more question. Here it goes:If Lord Krishna died a violent and unworthy death in jugle due to the curse of Gandhari, then does the curse of a non-righteous person affect the native? We all know that Krishna was on the side of the righteous and Gandhari despite knowing and acknowledging that her sons were figting a non-righteous batttle, cursed Krishna. Why would a curse of a non-righteous person frutify? Does this mean that anyone and everyone who is jealous of us or whom we're pissing off in some way can curse us and we'd have to bear the fruits of this curse?Lord Krishna's death still doesn't make any sense to me. Even Ravan who was a sinner was blessed with a royal death at the hands of the Ram (God himself), then why was Lord Krihna the creator of the Universe and the "all knowingall encompassing" entiity get such a low death just due to one curse of woman who was on the side of non-righteous.Thank youMukund--- In vedic astrology, "amolmandar" <amolmandar> wrote:> Dear Mukund Namste> > If you allow me to share my little knowledge on this topic,here is > what I know about Krishna> > 1)Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna?> > I think there were 8 of them.SatyaBhabha was is favorite and was > daughter of Satrjit.With Rukmini he had a Gandharva Vivaha. Rukmini > was the daughter of Bhishmaka, king of Vidarbha. Jambavati was > another and daughter of the bear king Jambavan. Kalindi,Yamuna > personified,Mitravrinda,the sister of the kings of> Avantipura,Nagnajiti or Satya, the daughter of the king of > Kosala,Bhadra, the daughter of Krishna's aunt,Laksmana, the daughter > of the king of some province( not able to recollect name) were other > wives of Krishna. Many say that Rukmini was his favorite as well. > Rukmini was incarnation of Laxmi. Specially,Jagganath puri yatra is > of Krishna-Rukmini yatra. After the Narakasura Vadha,Krishna got > married with 16000 women who were freed by Krishna. So there were > 16008 wives to Krishna. Many say from all of them he had 10 sons > from each. Many say only from first 8 he had ten sons from each. I > am not sure about it.> > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who are they?> > I am not able to recollect all names but I know that Aniruddha was > Krishna Grand-Son and son of Pradyumna. Pradyumna was son of Krishna-> RUkmini. He was re-incarnation of Kama. Pradyumna was abducted by a > demon by name Sambara immediately when he was born to Rukmini. He > was held captive by the demon till he attained adolescence and after > attaining the age of 16 years, Pradyumna killed the demon and came > back to his parents. Another son which I recollect is son of > Kriahna-Jambavati. His name was Samba. He abducted Lakshamana > daughter of Duryodhana and married with her. He was responsible for > end of Yaduvansha.> > 3)Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior class)?> He was son of Vasudev and Devaki from ChandraVansha. He belonged to > Kshtriya class. More popularly he was reffered as Yadav Kula which > many at that time thought that not pure Kshtriya class. > > 4)How did Lord Krishna die?> > and> > 5) why did Lord Krishna, the creator of the universe and the orator > of the Hindu way of life die at the hands of an ordinary hunter?> > The story you have given is correct. Regarding the answer to 5th > question,the answer lies in the fact that Gandhari (Mother of > Kauravas) at the end of war held Krishna responsible for the > destruction of Kuru Vansha. She then cursed Krishna that after > exactly 36 years from now Kriahna vansha/Kula will also see same > death. They will fight among each other(like Kauravas) and will > destroy each other. Moreover, Krishna will wander in the Jungle like > a ordinary person and will be killed by a Vyadha(hunter) like a > ordinary person.> > Hearing this Krishna said "It will happen like this".> > As I told you,the Samba,son of Kriahna-Jambavati,was responsible for > end of Yadu vansha. The story goes like this,Yadavs tried to play > trick with Rishi Durvasa by dresing Samba as pregnant woman and > asked Durvasa for possible progeny of Samba. He cursed Samba that he > will deliver a Iron piller and because of that only whole Yadu > purush will die. That is how all died from Yadukula. Krishna > received a death like a commoner because of Gandhari Shapa and > moreover Krishna accepted that.> > This is what I could recollect offhand about krishna. I hope this > will help you. For many real embarssment comes after they 'study' > Hinduism. Just a word of caution! if by any chance you intend to > learn Hindu scriptures.> > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space.> > AmolMAndar> > > --- In vedic astrology, Neeraj Gupta > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote:> > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~> > Dear Mukund,> > > > I can answer your first question, as I have read about> > it.> > > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna?> > Answer: Rukmani> > > > regards,> > > > Neeraj> > --- monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:> > > Dear Gentlepeople:> > > > > > Yesterday I visited a Radha-Krishna temple. While at> > > the temple I > > > realized that since I was a child, I've heard> > > stories about "leela" > > > between Radha and Krishna and "leela" between Gopis> > > and Krishna; > > > however, I've never heard anything about Lord> > > Krishna's wife. I also > > > realized that I am ignorant on many other things> > > about Lord Krishna, > > > I'm hoping some learned member may post the answers.> > > > > > Here are some questions:> > > > > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna?> > > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who> > > are they?> > > 3) Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior> > > class)?> > > 4) How did Lord Krishna die?> > > > > > I remember a story that Lord Krisna died because a> > > hunter (Pardhi) > > > found an arrow in a jungle and used that arrow to> > > hunt. This arrow > > > then struck Lord Krishna is his toe and Lord Krishna> > > died because > > > his "atma" resided in his toe.> > > > > > Is this an accurate story? If yes, why did Lord> > > Krishna, the creator > > > of the universe and the orator of the Hindu way of> > > life die at the > > > hands of an ordinary hunter? Was Lord Krishna born> > > with some karmic > > > deficiencies that led to a voilent death at the> > > hands of a hunter? > > > Why didn't Lord Krishna die at a holy place like> > > Haridwar or Nepal or > > > some sacred place in the Himalayas? > > > > > > Also, why didn't Lord Krishna get a glorious death> > > like Bhisma > > > Pitamah or like Yudhisthir who ascended to heaven. > > > > > > If the story I noted above is incorrect, then how> > > did Lord Krishna > > > die?> > > > > > Dear Gentlepeople, I ask this with utmost respect> > > for Lord Krishna > > > and I ask this only to educate myself. In fact, it> > > is embarassing > > > that I'm Hindu and a Brahmin YET I don't know these> > > facts related to > > > Lord Krishna.> > > > > > Thank you.> > > Mukund> > > > > > > > > > > > =====> > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/> > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software> > Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Dear Chandrashekar, Yes my thought exactly Best wishes Kasim >"Chandrashekhar Sharma" <boxdel >vedic astrology ><vedic astrology> >RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Questions on Lord Krishna >Mon, 8 Sep 2003 23:10:29 +0530 > >Dear Amolmandar, >An excellent post on the Lord krishna. If I may add Krishna was from >Vrishni >vansha as stated by himself in Bhagavadgita. >Chandrashekhar. > > amolmandar [amolmandar] > Monday, September 08, 2003 12:46 PM > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Questions on Lord Krishna > > > Dear Mukund Namste > > If you allow me to share my little knowledge on this topic,here is > what I know about Krishna > > 1)Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > > I think there were 8 of them.SatyaBhabha was is favorite and was > daughter of Satrjit.With Rukmini he had a Gandharva Vivaha. Rukmini > was the daughter of Bhishmaka, king of Vidarbha. Jambavati was > another and daughter of the bear king Jambavan. Kalindi,Yamuna > personified,Mitravrinda,the sister of the kings of > Avantipura,Nagnajiti or Satya, the daughter of the king of > Kosala,Bhadra, the daughter of Krishna's aunt,Laksmana, the daughter > of the king of some province( not able to recollect name) were other > wives of Krishna. Many say that Rukmini was his favorite as well. > Rukmini was incarnation of Laxmi. Specially,Jagganath puri yatra is > of Krishna-Rukmini yatra. After the Narakasura Vadha,Krishna got > married with 16000 women who were freed by Krishna. So there were > 16008 wives to Krishna. Many say from all of them he had 10 sons > from each. Many say only from first 8 he had ten sons from each. I > am not sure about it. > > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who are they? > > I am not able to recollect all names but I know that Aniruddha was > Krishna Grand-Son and son of Pradyumna. Pradyumna was son of Krishna- > RUkmini. He was re-incarnation of Kama. Pradyumna was abducted by a > demon by name Sambara immediately when he was born to Rukmini. He > was held captive by the demon till he attained adolescence and after > attaining the age of 16 years, Pradyumna killed the demon and came > back to his parents. Another son which I recollect is son of > Kriahna-Jambavati. His name was Samba. He abducted Lakshamana > daughter of Duryodhana and married with her. He was responsible for > end of Yaduvansha. > > 3)Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior class)? > He was son of Vasudev and Devaki from ChandraVansha. He belonged to > Kshtriya class. More popularly he was reffered as Yadav Kula which > many at that time thought that not pure Kshtriya class. > > 4)How did Lord Krishna die? > > and > > 5) why did Lord Krishna, the creator of the universe and the orator > of the Hindu way of life die at the hands of an ordinary hunter? > > The story you have given is correct. Regarding the answer to 5th > question,the answer lies in the fact that Gandhari (Mother of > Kauravas) at the end of war held Krishna responsible for the > destruction of Kuru Vansha. She then cursed Krishna that after > exactly 36 years from now Kriahna vansha/Kula will also see same > death. They will fight among each other(like Kauravas) and will > destroy each other. Moreover, Krishna will wander in the Jungle like > a ordinary person and will be killed by a Vyadha(hunter) like a > ordinary person. > > Hearing this Krishna said "It will happen like this". > > As I told you,the Samba,son of Kriahna-Jambavati,was responsible for > end of Yadu vansha. The story goes like this,Yadavs tried to play > trick with Rishi Durvasa by dresing Samba as pregnant woman and > asked Durvasa for possible progeny of Samba. He cursed Samba that he > will deliver a Iron piller and because of that only whole Yadu > purush will die. That is how all died from Yadukula. Krishna > received a death like a commoner because of Gandhari Shapa and > moreover Krishna accepted that. > > This is what I could recollect offhand about krishna. I hope this > will help you. For many real embarssment comes after they 'study' > Hinduism. Just a word of caution! if by any chance you intend to > learn Hindu scriptures. > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > AmolMAndar > > > vedic astrology, Neeraj Gupta > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > Dear Mukund, > > > > I can answer your first question, as I have read about > > it. > > > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > > Answer: Rukmani > > > > regards, > > > > Neeraj > > --- monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > > Dear Gentlepeople: > > > > > > Yesterday I visited a Radha-Krishna temple. While at > > > the temple I > > > realized that since I was a child, I've heard > > > stories about "leela" > > > between Radha and Krishna and "leela" between Gopis > > > and Krishna; > > > however, I've never heard anything about Lord > > > Krishna's wife. I also > > > realized that I am ignorant on many other things > > > about Lord Krishna, > > > I'm hoping some learned member may post the answers. > > > > > > Here are some questions: > > > > > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > > > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who > > > are they? > > > 3) Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior > > > class)? > > > 4) How did Lord Krishna die? > > > > > > I remember a story that Lord Krisna died because a > > > hunter (Pardhi) > > > found an arrow in a jungle and used that arrow to > > > hunt. This arrow > > > then struck Lord Krishna is his toe and Lord Krishna > > > died because > > > his "atma" resided in his toe. > > > > > > Is this an accurate story? If yes, why did Lord > > > Krishna, the creator > > > of the universe and the orator of the Hindu way of > > > life die at the > > > hands of an ordinary hunter? Was Lord Krishna born > > > with some karmic > > > deficiencies that led to a voilent death at the > > > hands of a hunter? > > > Why didn't Lord Krishna die at a holy place like > > > Haridwar or Nepal or > > > some sacred place in the Himalayas? > > > > > > Also, why didn't Lord Krishna get a glorious death > > > like Bhisma > > > Pitamah or like Yudhisthir who ascended to heaven. > > > > > > If the story I noted above is incorrect, then how > > > did Lord Krishna > > > die? > > > > > > Dear Gentlepeople, I ask this with utmost respect > > > for Lord Krishna > > > and I ask this only to educate myself. In fact, it > > > is embarassing > > > that I'm Hindu and a Brahmin YET I don't know these > > > facts related to > > > Lord Krishna. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release 8/19/03 _______________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 Dear Mukund Namste your contention that Gandhari was not capable of giving curse is not correct.Gandhari was a pativrata stree and she had a tapasharya to her credit. If you see that science of Shap-Var you will observe that only those who performed Tapashrya were authorised to give Shap or Var. Gandhari was great tapasvani by the virute of self imposed blindnees. Shap in the MAhabharat has been given for many reasons but most of the time it was because of Anger/sorrow/deep grief/insult. Women in the Mahabharat who suffered most,one of them was Ghandhari. Her grief is justified because she lost her 100 sons and their sons as well. Entire vansha of Dritarashtra got perish in the war. If you see the grief of Draupadi after AShwatthama killed her sons and there after pleadge of Arjuna to kill Ashwatthama,you will understand grief of Gandhari. In mahabharat whenever there was killing of Son,mother has reacted voilently. Be it Draupadi,Uttara or Subharda. Gandhari lost not only her 100 sons but entire vansha. So she definitely was justifed. Moreover she had great power of her sacrifice for her blind husband. So she was competent as well to give Shap.If you read the exact word you will know that she said to Kriahna "Hey Chakradhar,Gaddhar,you are Kulotpanana and well versed with Vedas,but still you were indiffeent and neglected Kuru-Pandava" Then she said her actual Shap. So Gandhari held responsible Kriahna for his neglect towards fighting Kuru-Pandavas. Being Veda himself she felt that Krishna should have avoided this war. So it was that she held krishna morally responsible for Kuru-Pandava war. It is something that many held Gandhiji responsible morally for India's partition. Gandhiji got killed and Krishna got Shapa. I am not justifying Gandhi hatya nor am I criticising it. My point is that when one is in deep grief reaction is usally 'Shap' when you dont have power to over come it. If you have power then it results in war or Hatya. >Does this mean that anyone and everyone who is jealous of us or whom >we're pissing off in some way can curse us and we'd have to bear the >fruits of this curse? I think No. Only deserving person can give Shap. Not everybody. If deserving person i.e. who has done tapascharya of any kind, becomes jealous then possibly it may come true. But one thing is sure Shap given by deserving will always fructify. No escape from it. Shapa can not be taken back. Its intensity can be reduced by giving UHShapa but it will always fructify. That is why it is said once you give Shapa you reduce half of your Tapa power. Krishna Death Now as regards to death of krishna,lets keep in mind that Ved Vyasa created Krishna as purnavatar. Krishna is considered as perfect yogi a perfect incarnation of lord vishnu. Purnaavatar must get merged with purnaBrhama. Krishna never got any injury in the Mahbharata war but with a arrow of Vyadha whose name was not known. "Pranavo DhnuH shrohtyatma brahmatallakshamuchate" is what Upanishad says. So Brhama is always obtained by the arrow. This time itwas Anamik Vyadha. Vyadha means all pervading. 'Dha' means to keep and Vya means every where. Normal use of this word means one who wanders in Jungle is simplification of this word. Anamik means who does not have a name. So in effect it is that,which is everywhere and has hold every thing and has no name. This then becomes 'Brhma'. So Ved Vyasa completed the Krishna avatar by suggesting that Brahma gets merged with Brahma. So it was not a low death but rather BrhamaMilan. Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. AmolMAndar vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > Hello Amol: > > Thank you for the comprehensive response, this really clears some of > the questions I had earlier related to Lord Krishna. > > However, your answer related to Krishna's death begets one more > question. Here it goes: > > If Lord Krishna died a violent and unworthy death in jugle due to the > curse of Gandhari, then does the curse of a non-righteous person > affect the native? > > We all know that Krishna was on the side of the righteous and > Gandhari despite knowing and acknowledging that her sons were figting > a non-righteous batttle, cursed Krishna. Why would a curse of a non- > righteous person frutify? > > Does this mean that anyone and everyone who is jealous of us or whom > we're pissing off in some way can curse us and we'd have to bear the > fruits of this curse? > > Lord Krishna's death still doesn't make any sense to me. Even Ravan > who was a sinner was blessed with a royal death at the hands of the > Ram (God himself), then why was Lord Krihna the creator of the > Universe and the "all knowingall encompassing" entiity get such a > low death just due to one curse of woman who was on the side of non- > righteous. > > Thank you > Mukund > > vedic astrology, "amolmandar" > <amolmandar> wrote: > > Dear Mukund Namste > > > > If you allow me to share my little knowledge on this topic,here is > > what I know about Krishna > > > > 1)Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > > > > I think there were 8 of them.SatyaBhabha was is favorite and was > > daughter of Satrjit.With Rukmini he had a Gandharva Vivaha. Rukmini > > was the daughter of Bhishmaka, king of Vidarbha. Jambavati was > > another and daughter of the bear king Jambavan. Kalindi,Yamuna > > personified,Mitravrinda,the sister of the kings of > > Avantipura,Nagnajiti or Satya, the daughter of the king of > > Kosala,Bhadra, the daughter of Krishna's aunt,Laksmana, the > daughter > > of the king of some province( not able to recollect name) were > other > > wives of Krishna. Many say that Rukmini was his favorite as well. > > Rukmini was incarnation of Laxmi. Specially,Jagganath puri yatra is > > of Krishna-Rukmini yatra. After the Narakasura Vadha,Krishna got > > married with 16000 women who were freed by Krishna. So there were > > 16008 wives to Krishna. Many say from all of them he had 10 sons > > from each. Many say only from first 8 he had ten sons from each. I > > am not sure about it. > > > > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who are they? > > > > I am not able to recollect all names but I know that Aniruddha was > > Krishna Grand-Son and son of Pradyumna. Pradyumna was son of > Krishna- > > RUkmini. He was re-incarnation of Kama. Pradyumna was abducted by a > > demon by name Sambara immediately when he was born to Rukmini. He > > was held captive by the demon till he attained adolescence and > after > > attaining the age of 16 years, Pradyumna killed the demon and came > > back to his parents. Another son which I recollect is son of > > Kriahna-Jambavati. His name was Samba. He abducted Lakshamana > > daughter of Duryodhana and married with her. He was responsible for > > end of Yaduvansha. > > > > 3)Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior class)? > > He was son of Vasudev and Devaki from ChandraVansha. He belonged to > > Kshtriya class. More popularly he was reffered as Yadav Kula which > > many at that time thought that not pure Kshtriya class. > > > > 4)How did Lord Krishna die? > > > > and > > > > 5) why did Lord Krishna, the creator of the universe and the orator > > of the Hindu way of life die at the hands of an ordinary hunter? > > > > The story you have given is correct. Regarding the answer to 5th > > question,the answer lies in the fact that Gandhari (Mother of > > Kauravas) at the end of war held Krishna responsible for the > > destruction of Kuru Vansha. She then cursed Krishna that after > > exactly 36 years from now Kriahna vansha/Kula will also see same > > death. They will fight among each other(like Kauravas) and will > > destroy each other. Moreover, Krishna will wander in the Jungle > like > > a ordinary person and will be killed by a Vyadha(hunter) like a > > ordinary person. > > > > Hearing this Krishna said "It will happen like this". > > > > As I told you,the Samba,son of Kriahna-Jambavati,was responsible > for > > end of Yadu vansha. The story goes like this,Yadavs tried to play > > trick with Rishi Durvasa by dresing Samba as pregnant woman and > > asked Durvasa for possible progeny of Samba. He cursed Samba that > he > > will deliver a Iron piller and because of that only whole Yadu > > purush will die. That is how all died from Yadukula. Krishna > > received a death like a commoner because of Gandhari Shapa and > > moreover Krishna accepted that. > > > > This is what I could recollect offhand about krishna. I hope this > > will help you. For many real embarssment comes after they 'study' > > Hinduism. Just a word of caution! if by any chance you intend to > > learn Hindu scriptures. > > > > Thanks a lot for your Time and Space. > > > > AmolMAndar > > > > > > vedic astrology, Neeraj Gupta > > <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote: > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > Dear Mukund, > > > > > > I can answer your first question, as I have read about > > > it. > > > > > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > > > Answer: Rukmani > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Neeraj > > > --- monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > Dear Gentlepeople: > > > > > > > > Yesterday I visited a Radha-Krishna temple. While at > > > > the temple I > > > > realized that since I was a child, I've heard > > > > stories about "leela" > > > > between Radha and Krishna and "leela" between Gopis > > > > and Krishna; > > > > however, I've never heard anything about Lord > > > > Krishna's wife. I also > > > > realized that I am ignorant on many other things > > > > about Lord Krishna, > > > > I'm hoping some learned member may post the answers. > > > > > > > > Here are some questions: > > > > > > > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > > > > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who > > > > are they? > > > > 3) Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya (warrior > > > > class)? > > > > 4) How did Lord Krishna die? > > > > > > > > I remember a story that Lord Krisna died because a > > > > hunter (Pardhi) > > > > found an arrow in a jungle and used that arrow to > > > > hunt. This arrow > > > > then struck Lord Krishna is his toe and Lord Krishna > > > > died because > > > > his "atma" resided in his toe. > > > > > > > > Is this an accurate story? If yes, why did Lord > > > > Krishna, the creator > > > > of the universe and the orator of the Hindu way of > > > > life die at the > > > > hands of an ordinary hunter? Was Lord Krishna born > > > > with some karmic > > > > deficiencies that led to a voilent death at the > > > > hands of a hunter? > > > > Why didn't Lord Krishna die at a holy place like > > > > Haridwar or Nepal or > > > > some sacred place in the Himalayas? > > > > > > > > Also, why didn't Lord Krishna get a glorious death > > > > like Bhisma > > > > Pitamah or like Yudhisthir who ascended to heaven. > > > > > > > > If the story I noted above is incorrect, then how > > > > did Lord Krishna > > > > die? > > > > > > > > Dear Gentlepeople, I ask this with utmost respect > > > > for Lord Krishna > > > > and I ask this only to educate myself. In fact, it > > > > is embarassing > > > > that I'm Hindu and a Brahmin YET I don't know these > > > > facts related to > > > > Lord Krishna. > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 come on mukund this is to please primary school childer as krishna is a given name see similarity to christan and since atma is all omnipotent and omniscience and omnipresent so think krishna as a atam and he is god as child as warrior as adviser to arguna it is all wise man story . i would say it was harry potter of the time but hindus live in past so is there god and do all mockery for their greed in present. west common people dont have much hang over about collecting and keeping they work they spend and die not leaving much stone to temple. we save and dont do much charity in life and when dieing give away all the non milk giving cow to brahmin. if dont trust me read the nikit story of upanisad when he quis his father his father gave away his own son and nikit has good dialage with god of death. i dont mean socety in west is all saintly but my point is we can only live and clene our own center so the bigger circle around us rediate and pleasing back to us. i believe seeing poverty all around world is making us part of it and it will hit us someday if dont redically find way for happiness for all humannkind. regards my krishna lives in my heart and its center is in your heart aswell, the gopi and his wife are stories made by humans to sing his song and atman krishna was pure conscios and mingle in everything. so conflit is in mind and body is matter atman is free from those boundries i see that is a deeper meanibng of lella. --- Gauranga Das <gauranga wrote: > JAYA JAGANNATHA! > > Dear Mukund, > > Namaste. > > > > Dear Gentlepeople: > > > > Yesterday I visited a Radha-Krishna temple. While > at the temple I > > realized that since I was a child, I've heard > stories about "leela" > > between Radha and Krishna and "leela" between > Gopis and Krishna; > > however, I've never heard anything about Lord > Krishna's wife. I also > > realized that I am ignorant on many other things > about Lord Krishna, > > I'm hoping some learned member may post the > answers. > > > > Here are some questions: > > > > 1) Who is the legally wedded wife of Lord Krishna? > > In Vrindavana-leela, Lord Krishna had no wives. In > Dwaraka-leela Krishna > married 16108 queens, the main of whom was > Rukmini-devi. > > > 2) Did Lord Krishna have any progeny? If yes, who > are they? > > Each of His 16108 wives gave birth to 10 children, > and each of his children > had 10 shildren also. Aniruddha is one His famous > sons. > > > 3) Was Lord Krishna a Brahmin or a Shatriya > (warrior class)? > > He appears in every Varna in fdifferent > incarnations. In Vrindavana-leela He > was a member of the Vaishya community, as He was the > son of Nanda Maharaja > and Yasoda-devi. In Dwaraka he was a Kshatriya, as > He was the son of > Vasudeva and Devaki. In Rama-leela again He was a > kshatriya, and when He > appeared as Vamanadeva and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, > He was a brahmana. > > > 4) How did Lord Krishna die? > > > > I remember a story that Lord Krisna died because a > hunter (Pardhi) > > found an arrow in a jungle and used that arrow to > hunt. This arrow > > then struck Lord Krishna is his toe and Lord > Krishna died because > > his "atma" resided in his toe. > > > Is this an accurate story? If yes, why did Lord > Krishna, the creator > > of the universe and the orator of the Hindu way of > life die at the > > hands of an ordinary hunter? Was Lord Krishna born > with some karmic > > deficiencies that led to a voilent death at the > hands of a hunter? > > Why didn't Lord Krishna die at a holy place like > Haridwar or Nepal or > > some sacred place in the Himalayas? > > Lord Krishna returned to His spiritual abode, Goloka > Vrindavana at the age > of 125. This pastime is described in detail in the > XIth Skandha of the > Bhagavata Purana. The incident with the hunter was > enacted just to bewilder > the atheists. It is common sense that no human being > will die if his toe is > hit by an arrow. And definitely the Supreme > Personality fo Godhead will not > be harmed. However He left back an illusory body, > just to bewilder the > atheists, who think that Lord Krishna is also a mere > mortal. > > > Also, why didn't Lord Krishna get a glorious > death like Bhisma > > Pitamah or like Yudhisthir who ascended to heaven. > > > > If the story I noted above is incorrect, then how > did Lord Krishna > > die? > > > > Dear Gentlepeople, I ask this with utmost respect > for Lord Krishna > > and I ask this only to educate myself. In fact, it > is embarassing > > that I'm Hindu and a Brahmin YET I don't know > these facts related to > > Lord Krishna. > > Well, if you visit the nearest ISKCON temple, you > can purchase all of Srila > Prabhupada's books, and you can educate yourself > about these questions. Or > you may go to the web and read it at > www.srimbadbhagavatam.org. > > Yours, > > Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > gauranga > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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