Astrology is it Vedic --to Mr. Narayana

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Hello Mr. Narayana:

 

I haven't yet experienced Nadi astrology and would very much like to.

Is there any way of getting an appointment with a genuine Nadi

astrologer like the one you visited? Is it also possible to fly to

this place--Trichy or Vaitheeswaran?

 

I only go to India for two weeks a year so I don't have much time to

hang out somewhere waiting to see this Nadi astrologer so an

appointment would really help.--The fee is not a problem.

 

My interest is not in knowing the future, but is in knowing the

karmic remedies to lessen the pain and suffering, i.e. how do I

modify my life-style and my behavior so that there is much less pain

and suffering in the years to come.

 

I don't care whether astrology is vedic or not. However, I do know

that astrology vedic or western is not accurate and 99.9% of

praticing astrologer cannot predict the future.

 

Now, let's assume for the sake of argument that astrologers CAN

INDEED make accurate predictions. Well, what will the native do with

this prediction if his destiny is PRE-DETERMINED by the placement of

planets in the birth chart and the movement of planets in Gochar.

 

Having established that we all are born with a destiny decided by God

and that we can't change this denstiny than WHY DO WE NEED ASTROLOGY

OR ASTROLOGERS?

 

Let me ask the above question in a different manner. What is the role

of the astrologer in today's society and I'm talking about real

genuine astrologers, not the THUGS whose advertisement I've been

seeking on TV and in magazines for years and years and years. -- I've

visited these THUGS and they know MUCH, MUCH, MUCH less astrology

than I do.

 

Thanks

Mukund

vedic astrology, Narrayana <gnn68310@s...>

wrote:

> Dear Guruji's and list members,

>

> My pranams. I strongly support Mr.Saikumar's views about our

mailbox flooding with junk mail about the "never" ending argument on

Astrology being vedic or non vedic as he rightly put it. It is

neither pleasing me astrology in some form (whether Vedic or non-

vedic again) being called as Fraud. We are not very much concerned

about astrology being Vedic or non-vedic but we will try to follow

path to light shown by our great saints or simply put it our

ancestors who also had life like ours and who had all sorts of

miseries or pleasures and tried to find what exactly behind all the

life situations when every human attempts fails. Our present

masters / gurujis have taken the role of our olden day saints. For

Mr.Rajeev, it may be Sri. Dayananda saraswathi for me it may be Sage

Parashara for some other member of this group Sage Jaimini someone

who inspired and trying to show light. But because someone believe

something strongly, he may not be fair in calling his own views only

are perfect and correct. In whole, we are trying to learn and know

something that is not bound by our logic and senses through this

science from learned scholars. Who knows there prevails general

feeling that we had lost so much of our monuments - palm scripts -

may be large portion of Vedas themselves other evidences on our rich

past heritage in the natural disasters / calamities over the yugas

which might possibly have proved that Astrology is perfectly vedic if

existed now.

>

> Yet...Still something is there to prove that astrology is vedic. I

suggest Mr.Rajeev to try Naadi Jothisham in Trichy or Vaitheeswaran

koil in Tamilnadu (Only genuine readers not conman) without giving

any details to the Palm script readers and just by his thumb

impression. Then let him come back to this forum and tell us how it

sounded to him. I am declaring this confidently because I got perfect

reading. Not only me, my whole family. Generally Naadi's are told in

the name of sages - Kowshika - Agastya - Vashishta as they said to

have revealed our birth and other life details much before (thousands

of years back) our birth took place. Astrology cannot be "Vedic" only

if those sages are not belonging vedic community. Otherwise "Yes" it

is perfectly Vedic. Taking or leaving is one's personal faith and

wish and more than anything it is "mindset".

>

> Hope this discussion ends here.

>

> With best regards,

>

> Narrayana G.E.

>

> -

> Saikumar

> satpath1

> Cc: vedic astrology

> Friday, September 05, 2003 9:44 PM

> Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology is it

Vedic ????????????

>

>

> Dear Rajiv,

>

> Sorry for putting this bluntly.

>

> What are you trying to prove?

>

> What if Vedas do not support Astrology. We still want to learn

it, and as we know, we are all in the right forum to learn the divine

science.

>

> If your idea is to distract people by creating non-existent

controversies, you better find some other group.

>

> If you find some people on this list buying your arguement and

want to argue with you, I think you are better of arguing off the

list, instead of flooding the list with your junk mail.

>

> If the Gurus think it is pertinent material for learning Vedic

Astrology they would share with us anyway.

>

> Hope you understand my point. It is plain and simple --> If you

are not contributing to increase the knowledge of Astrology(Vedic or

non-Vedic -according to you), we are not happy reading your mails

here.

>

> I request Guru Narasimha to moderate more closely and try to

restrict people who are trying to distract the attention of the

students.

>

> Sorry if I have hurt anyone's feelings with my mail.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Sai

>

>

>

> Rajeev Kumar <satpath1>

> 2003/09/04 22:36:00

> vedic astrology

> Cc:

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology is it

Vedic ????????????

>

>

>

> Namaste Hari Ji,

>

> Let's first resolve the main issue that whether Astrology( As a

concept of fate ) has references in Vedas or not ?

> Other issues will be resolved later.

>

> Yes Karma /Dharma, atman, god are vedic concepts.

>

> Regards

>

>

>

> Rajeev

>

>

>

>

>

> onlyhari <onlyhari> wrote:

> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||

>

> Dear Rajeev,

>

> Your position is that Jyotish refers to astronomy and not

astrology.

> That is a point to be considered.

>

> However I am interested in knowing how did you prove that

Astrology

> fails the tests of truth given in your email. You have just

stated

> the same without proof.

>

> Since you have read or trying to understand the Vedas, I

request you

> to state if atman, birth/rebirth, karma, dharma are vedic

concepts

> or not.

>

> May I pose a practical question to you: Based on the vedas,

what is

> the most appropriate time for performing a marriage? By time is

> meant which period of time shall you choose to perform the

ceremony?

> Please dont give the answer in terms of the age of the

individuals

> who are to be married. Your answer should be in accordance with

the

> principles stated in the Ve! das. Broadly speaking, is there

any vedic

> concept such as quality of time (ie., a good time or a bad time)

and

> how is this quality determined?

>

> regards

> Hari

>

> PS: I think Chandrasekar made a typo and probably

meant "...opinion

> ON vedas..." and not "...opinion AS vedas...".

>

> vedic astrology, Rajeev Kumar

<satpath1>

> wrote:

> > Namaste Chandrashekhar Ji,

> >

> > My prime question is whether there is refernece to Astrology

(as

> concept of fate) in Vedas. If you say yes then please quote the

> references.

> >

> > You also said that you respect Swami Dayananda as Veda

(Learned,

> Knowledge) then what's the problem in quoting his opinion ?.

> >

> > And who can deny the tests of truth I gave in my last mail.

> >

> > Jyotish means knowledge of light etymologically. It is used to

> > refer to the science of astronomy. It DOES NOT actuall! y

mean

> astrology even though due to our ignorance we beleive Jyoti sh

to

> mean astrology.

> > Infact there has been no word in Sanskrit for astrology as

the

> concept of fate being decided by planets was non-existent till

very

> recent times (a few thousand years ago).

> >

> > Those who claim to be masters of vedic astrology are just

making

> false claims since there is not even a remote reference to

astrology

> in Vedas.

> > Thus, you will find that in none of these books on vedic

astrology

> or vedaang jyotish is any shloka or sukta given from vedas.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Rajeev

> >

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I also sometimes think on this question that if everything is pre-ordained then

what is the benefit of astrology. I was reading the Shirdi Sai Satcharitra in

which Shri Sai Baba explained the role of a sadguru/guru/guide. If we have to

pass thru a forest full of wild trees and animals then may be we can go down a

treaded path and find our way to the end. But we may encounter lots of

different kinds of obstacles. However if one had a guide who knows the way,

then he can safely take us by avoiding those dangerous paths and we will reach

our destination safely. In that way I think based on past karma astrology lets

us know what the footprint is like. With that knowledge we may be able to avoid

certain situations in our lives. So it is like if we know its going to rain then

carrying an umbrella may help.

 

However just like we need a good doctor to prescribe us the right medicine and

help take precautions so as not to get the same problem again, we need to have

the right advice on astrology. Unfortunately, modern science completely killed

this great science. Hence although there are these great medical schools

producing great doctors we are not able to generate great astrologers the same

way.

 

I remember when BJP govt wanted to introduce this as a subject in universities

they were hit with hard opposition on the grounds that this would encourage

superstition.

 

I have also heard a lot about nadi astrology but then to exploit this lot of

quacks have started claiming knowledge of this too.

 

Kudos to groups such as Vedic Astrology that is offering a platform for people

to learn and share experiences, and make this science flourish.

 

RegardsRajiv

 

monmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote:

Hello Mr. Narayana:I haven't yet experienced Nadi astrology and would very much

like to. Is there any way of getting an appointment with a genuine Nadi

astrologer like the one you visited? Is it also possible to fly to this

place--Trichy or Vaitheeswaran?I only go to India for two weeks a year so I

don't have much time to hang out somewhere waiting to see this Nadi astrologer

so an appointment would really help.--The fee is not a problem.My interest is

not in knowing the future, but is in knowing the karmic remedies to lessen the

pain and suffering, i.e. how do I modify my life-style and my behavior so that

there is much less pain and suffering in the years to come.I don't care whether

astrology is vedic or not. However, I do know that astrology vedic or western is

not accurate and 99.9% of praticing

astrologer cannot predict the future.Now, let's assume for the sake of argument

that astrologers CAN INDEED make accurate predictions. Well, what will the

native do with this prediction if his destiny is PRE-DETERMINED by the

placement of planets in the birth chart and the movement of planets in

Gochar.Having established that we all are born with a destiny decided by God

and that we can't change this denstiny than WHY DO WE NEED ASTROLOGY OR

ASTROLOGERS?Let me ask the above question in a different manner. What is the

role of the astrologer in today's society and I'm talking about real genuine

astrologers, not the THUGS whose advertisement I've been seeking on TV and in

magazines for years and years and years. -- I've visited these THUGS and they

know MUCH, MUCH, MUCH less astrology than I do.ThanksMukund--- In

vedic astrology, Narrayana <gnn68310@s...> wrote:> Dear

Guruji's and list members,> > My pranams. I strongly support Mr.Saikumar's views

about our mailbox flooding with junk mail about the "never" ending argument on

Astrology being vedic or non vedic as he rightly put it. It is neither pleasing

me astrology in some form (whether Vedic or non-vedic again) being called as

Fraud. We are not very much concerned about astrology being Vedic or non-vedic

but we will try to follow path to light shown by our great saints or simply put

it our ancestors who also had life like ours and who had all sorts of miseries

or pleasures and tried to find what exactly behind all the life situations when

every human attempts fails. Our present masters / gurujis have taken the role of

our olden day saints. For Mr.Rajeev, it may be Sri. Dayananda saraswathi for me

it may be Sage Parashara for some other member of this group Sage Jaimini

someone who inspired and trying to show light. But because

someone believe something strongly, he may not be fair in calling his own views

only are perfect and correct. In whole, we are trying to learn and know

something that is not bound by our logic and senses through this science from

learned scholars. Who knows there prevails general feeling that we had lost so

much of our monuments - palm scripts - may be large portion of Vedas themselves

other evidences on our rich past heritage in the natural disasters / calamities

over the yugas which might possibly have proved that Astrology is perfectly

vedic if existed now. > > Yet...Still something is there to prove that

astrology is vedic. I suggest Mr.Rajeev to try Naadi Jothisham in Trichy or

Vaitheeswaran koil in Tamilnadu (Only genuine readers not conman) without

giving any details to the Palm script readers and just by his thumb impression.

Then let him come back to this forum and tell us how it sounded to him. I am

declaring this confidently because I got perfect reading. Not only me, my whole

family. Generally Naadi's are told in the name of sages - Kowshika - Agastya -

Vashishta as they said to have revealed our birth and other life details much

before (thousands of years back) our birth took place. Astrology cannot be

"Vedic" only if those sages are not belonging vedic community. Otherwise "Yes"

it is perfectly Vedic. Taking or leaving is one's personal faith and wish and

more than anything it is "mindset".> > Hope this discussion ends here.> > With

best regards,> > Narrayana G.E.> > - >

Saikumar > satpath1 > Cc: vedic astrology >

Friday, September 05, 2003 9:44 PM> Re: Re: [vedic astrology]

Re: Astrology is it Vedic

????????????> > > Dear Rajiv,> > Sorry for putting this bluntly.> > What

are you trying to prove?> > What if Vedas do not support Astrology. We still

want to learn it, and as we know, we are all in the right forum to learn the

divine science.> > If your idea is to distract people by creating

non-existent controversies, you better find some other group.> > If you find

some people on this list buying your arguement and want to argue with you, I

think you are better of arguing off the list, instead of flooding the list with

your junk mail.> > If the Gurus think it is pertinent material for learning

Vedic Astrology they would share with us anyway.> > Hope you understand my

point. It is plain and simple --> If you are not contributing to increase

the knowledge of Astrology(Vedic or non-Vedic -according to you), we are not

happy reading your mails here.> > I request Guru Narasimha to moderate more

closely and try to restrict people who are trying to distract the attention of

the students.> > Sorry if I have hurt anyone's feelings with my mail.> > > >

Regards,> > Sai> > > > Rajeev Kumar

<satpath1>> 2003/09/04 22:36:00> To:

vedic astrology> Cc: > Re: [vedic astrology] Re:

Astrology is it Vedic ????????????> > > > Namaste Hari Ji,> > Let's first

resolve the main issue that whether Astrology( As a concept of fate ) has

references in Vedas or not ?> Other issues will be resolved later.> > Yes

Karma /Dharma, atman, god are vedic concepts.> > Regards> > > > Rajeev> > >

> > > onlyhari <onlyhari> wrote:> ||Om Brihaspataye Namah||> >

Dear Rajeev,> > Your position is that Jyotish refers to astronomy and not

astrology. > That is a point to be considered.> > However I am

interested in knowing how did you prove that Astrology > fails the tests of

truth given in your email. You have just stated > the same without proof. >

> Since you have read or trying

to understand the Vedas, I request you > to state if atman, birth/rebirth,

karma, dharma are vedic concepts > or not.> > May I pose a practical

question to you: Based on the vedas, what is > the most appropriate time

for performing a marriage? By time is > meant which period of time shall

you choose to perform the ceremony? > Please dont give the answer in terms

of the age of the individuals > who are to be married. Your answer should

be in accordance with the > principles stated in the Ve! das. Broadly

speaking, is there any vedic > concept such as quality of time (ie., a good

time or a bad time)and > how is this quality

determined?> > regards> Hari> > PS: I think Chandrasekar made a typo

and probably meant "...opinion > ON vedas..." and not "...opinion AS

vedas...". > > vedic astrology, Rajeev Kumar

<satpath1> > wrote:> > Namaste Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > >

My prime question is whether there is refernece to Astrology(as > concept

of fate) in Vedas. If you say yes then please quote the > references.>

> > > You also said that you respect Swami Dayananda as Veda(Learned, >

 

Knowledge) then what's the problem in quoting his opinion ?.> > > > And

who can deny the tests of truth I gave in my last mail.> > > > Jyotish

means knowledge of light etymologically. It is used to> > refer to the

science of astronomy. It DOES NOT actuall! y mean > astrology even though

due to our ignorance we beleive Jyoti sh to > mean astrology.> > Infact

there has been no word in Sanskrit for astrology as the > concept of fate

being decided by planets was non-existent till very > recent times (a few

thousand years ago).> > > > Those who claim to be masters of

vedic astrology are just making > false claims since there is not even a

remote reference to astrology > in Vedas.> > Thus, you will find that

in none of these books on vedic astrology > or vedaang jyotish is any

shloka or sukta given from vedas.> > > > > > > > Regards>

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hi,

you can fly to trichy &no flight is available till

vaitheeswaran kovil.insted you can recach chennai from

there one good place called kanchipuram its 80 to 90

km friom chennai . go there old kanchipuram (know as

vishnukanchi one good nadi astrologer is there. visit

him . you will fell teh diffrenece .

dont go to every body because there lots of cheaters

availabkle in nadi astrology. my suggession is chosse

kousigaa nadi . its the best nadi(this my own felling

).

some nadi astrologer doing yachhi vasiya . from the

yachhi they will know all the past . but they cant

predeict future . i will try to get his phone number

for appoiment .

hari om nahmo narayana

n.rajagoopalan

 

--- monmuk111 <monmuk111 wrote:

> Hello Mr. Narayana:

>

> I haven't yet experienced Nadi astrology and would

> very much like to.

> Is there any way of getting an appointment with a

> genuine Nadi

> astrologer like the one you visited? Is it also

> possible to fly to

> this place--Trichy or Vaitheeswaran?

>

> I only go to India for two weeks a year so I don't

> have much time to

> hang out somewhere waiting to see this Nadi

> astrologer so an

> appointment would really help.--The fee is not a

> problem.

>

> My interest is not in knowing the future, but is in

> knowing the

> karmic remedies to lessen the pain and suffering,

> i.e. how do I

> modify my life-style and my behavior so that there

> is much less pain

> and suffering in the years to come.

>

> I don't care whether astrology is vedic or not.

> However, I do know

> that astrology vedic or western is not accurate and

> 99.9% of

> praticing astrologer cannot predict the future.

>

> Now, let's assume for the sake of argument that

> astrologers CAN

> INDEED make accurate predictions. Well, what will

> the native do with

> this prediction if his destiny is PRE-DETERMINED by

> the placement of

> planets in the birth chart and the movement of

> planets in Gochar.

>

> Having established that we all are born with a

> destiny decided by God

> and that we can't change this denstiny than WHY DO

> WE NEED ASTROLOGY

> OR ASTROLOGERS?

>

> Let me ask the above question in a different manner.

> What is the role

> of the astrologer in today's society and I'm talking

> about real

> genuine astrologers, not the THUGS whose

> advertisement I've been

> seeking on TV and in magazines for years and years

> and years. -- I've

> visited these THUGS and they know MUCH, MUCH, MUCH

> less astrology

> than I do.

>

> Thanks

> Mukund

> vedic astrology, Narrayana

> <gnn68310@s...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Guruji's and list members,

> >

> > My pranams. I strongly support Mr.Saikumar's views

> about our

> mailbox flooding with junk mail about the "never"

> ending argument on

> Astrology being vedic or non vedic as he rightly put

> it. It is

> neither pleasing me astrology in some form (whether

> Vedic or non-

> vedic again) being called as Fraud. We are not very

> much concerned

> about astrology being Vedic or non-vedic but we will

> try to follow

> path to light shown by our great saints or simply

> put it our

> ancestors who also had life like ours and who had

> all sorts of

> miseries or pleasures and tried to find what exactly

> behind all the

> life situations when every human attempts fails. Our

> present

> masters / gurujis have taken the role of our olden

> day saints. For

> Mr.Rajeev, it may be Sri. Dayananda saraswathi for

> me it may be Sage

> Parashara for some other member of this group Sage

> Jaimini someone

> who inspired and trying to show light. But because

> someone believe

> something strongly, he may not be fair in calling

> his own views only

> are perfect and correct. In whole, we are trying to

> learn and know

> something that is not bound by our logic and senses

> through this

> science from learned scholars. Who knows there

> prevails general

> feeling that we had lost so much of our monuments -

> palm scripts -

> may be large portion of Vedas themselves other

> evidences on our rich

> past heritage in the natural disasters / calamities

> over the yugas

> which might possibly have proved that Astrology is

> perfectly vedic if

> existed now.

> >

> > Yet...Still something is there to prove that

> astrology is vedic. I

> suggest Mr.Rajeev to try Naadi Jothisham in Trichy

> or Vaitheeswaran

> koil in Tamilnadu (Only genuine readers not conman)

> without giving

> any details to the Palm script readers and just by

> his thumb

> impression. Then let him come back to this forum and

> tell us how it

> sounded to him. I am declaring this confidently

> because I got perfect

> reading. Not only me, my whole family. Generally

> Naadi's are told in

> the name of sages - Kowshika - Agastya - Vashishta

> as they said to

> have revealed our birth and other life details much

> before (thousands

> of years back) our birth took place. Astrology

> cannot be "Vedic" only

> if those sages are not belonging vedic community.

> Otherwise "Yes" it

> is perfectly Vedic. Taking or leaving is one's

> personal faith and

> wish and more than anything it is "mindset".

> >

> > Hope this discussion ends here.

> >

> > With best regards,

> >

> > Narrayana G.E.

> >

> > -

> > Saikumar

> > satpath1

> > Cc: vedic astrology

> > Friday, September 05, 2003 9:44 PM

> > Re: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology

> is it

> Vedic ????????????

> >

> >

> > Dear Rajiv,

> >

> > Sorry for putting this bluntly.

> >

> > What are you trying to prove?

> >

> > What if Vedas do not support Astrology. We still

> want to learn

> it, and as we know, we are all in the right forum to

> learn the divine

> science.

> >

> > If your idea is to distract people by creating

> non-existent

> controversies, you better find some other group.

> >

> > If you find some people on this list buying your

> arguement and

> want to argue with you, I think you are better of

> arguing off the

> list, instead of flooding the list with your junk

> mail.

> >

> > If the Gurus think it is pertinent material for

> learning Vedic

> Astrology they would share with us anyway.

> >

> > Hope you understand my point. It is plain and

> simple --> If you

> are not contributing to increase the knowledge of

> Astrology(Vedic or

> non-Vedic -according to you), we are not happy

> reading your mails

> here.

> >

> > I request Guru Narasimha to moderate more

> closely and try to

> restrict people who are trying to distract the

> attention of the

> students.

> >

> > Sorry if I have hurt anyone's feelings with my

> mail.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

>

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