Guest guest Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 Dear Gentlepeople: I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri Ayanamsa. Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman Ayanamsa. In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently going through Rahu mahadasa. What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm going throug Mars mahadasa. Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural malefics so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real-life experiences as both give negative results and I've been experiencing consistent negative results. Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as a means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, but everthing wrong with not being able to do things right CONSISTENTLY !!!! I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers which are radicaly different from each other. The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara and Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers said? This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION. P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself. Mukund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 Dear Mukund, I understand your confusion and anxiety about the issue in hand. As you know, I am much junior to you as I only spent about 7 months in Studying the Vedic Astrology, but where as you spent 2 years. So, let me attempt to give my undersatnding in one simple sentence. I have not seen (m)any example charts in text books used other than Lahiri Ayanamsa. I myself use KP Ayanamsa for few experiments, so the answer to your question is please stick to Lahiri Ayanamsa and see yourself is part of the major group of Astrologers. By doing this, your 2 years of time spent is not waster either. Once you have good knowledge then, you can always experiment other ayanamsas and publish your research. Guru's and Senior's may have a different opinion on this. Regards Rao vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > Dear Gentlepeople: > > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri Ayanamsa. > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman Ayanamsa. > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently > going through Rahu mahadasa. > > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural malefics > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real-life > experiences as both give negative results and I've been experiencing > consistent negative results. > > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as a > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, but > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > CONSISTENTLY !!!! > > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > which are radicaly different from each other. > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara and > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers > said? > > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION. > > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself. > > Mukund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do japaof Gods name ..Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa is to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way to reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers are A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots who are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many are writing books without even having the ability to see the horoscope.It is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in KAL YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation. god bless om monmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote: Dear Gentlepeople:I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri Ayanamsa. Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman Ayanamsa. In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently going through Rahu mahadasa.What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm going throug Mars mahadasa. Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural malefics so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real-life experiences as both give negative results and I've been experiencing consistent negative results.Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as a means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, but everthing wrong with not being able to do things right CONSISTENTLY !!!!I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers which are radicaly different from each other. The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara and Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers said?This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION.P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself.MukundArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 Hello Sudeep: Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the supreme being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc. My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, but Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping the wrong Ista Devta as well. After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts to live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness. It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) mantras or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds of words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be chanted. People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain precautions or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the astrologer can be avoided or nullified. Now that we've established that different astrologer have different prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a prediction if it is not reliable? Mukund vedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote: > Dear Mukund > Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa is to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way to reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers are A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots who are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many are writing books without even having the ability to see the horoscope.It is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in KAL YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation. > god bless > om > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > Dear Gentlepeople: > > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri Ayanamsa. > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman Ayanamsa. > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently > going through Rahu mahadasa. > > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural malefics > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real-life > experiences as both give negative results and I've been experiencing > consistent negative results. > > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as a > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, but > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > CONSISTENTLY !!!! > > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > which are radicaly different from each other. > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara and > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers > said? > > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION. > > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself. > > Mukund > > > Sponsor > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 Dear Mukund, My two cents worth.. the Sun is in Gemini and your lagna IS Libra, Dasa runs from Lagna so birth time needs careful rectification. 7th lord is your Atmakaraka so you will feel the 'karmic' effects in that area of life quite strongly. love jaan vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > Dear Gentlepeople: > > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri Ayanamsa. > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman Ayanamsa. > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently > going through Rahu mahadasa. > > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural malefics > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real-life > experiences as both give negative results and I've been experiencing > consistent negative results. > > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as a > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, but > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > CONSISTENTLY !!!! > > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > which are radicaly different from each other. > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara and > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers > said? > > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION. > > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself. > > Mukund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2003 Report Share Posted August 23, 2003 Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating MARA MARA instead of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS name .It is your Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most astrologers are themselves not realised people,infact most of them are spiritually not at all developed.They read from books and prescribe remedial measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures is a very lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can develop your own intuition which will guide yoou better than any IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER regardsmonmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote: Hello Sudeep:Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the supreme being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc.My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, but Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping the wrong Ista Devta as well.After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts to live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness.It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) mantras or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds of words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be chanted.People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain precautions or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the astrologer can be avoided or nullified. Now that we've established that different astrologer have different prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a prediction if it is not reliable?Mukundvedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote:> Dear Mukund> Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa is to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way to reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers are A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots who are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many are writing books without even having the ability to see the horoscope.It is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in KAL YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation.> god bless > om > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:> Dear Gentlepeople:> > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri Ayanamsa. > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman Ayanamsa. > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently > going through Rahu mahadasa.> > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural malefics > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real-life > experiences as both give negative results and I've been experiencing > consistent negative results.> > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as a > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, but > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > CONSISTENTLY !!!!> > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > which are radicaly different from each other. > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara and > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers > said?> > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION.> > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself.> > Mukund> > > Sponsor> > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service. > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE MessengerArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Dear Sudeep, That means the Astrologers in this list are all idots eating money of the public.Thanks for your suggestion and giving good reward to the vedic Astrology.So Prashna Margam is wrong,Brihat Jataka is wrong or Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is wrong. Now you listen to me.I am here not to make money and by the Blessings of Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari,I dont have to make money through Vedic Astrology but I am trying to help the people to come out of their sins done in the previous life which nobody knows and the clues given through principles of Astrology help us to guide the common man. This Astrology Forum is formed not to grab the money of the punlic to help them to lead a happy life.You can ask most of the members who got thier problems solved through the remedies which myself or Other Gurus gave to the consultant. I dont want anybody in this list talk against Jyotish Shastra and the remedies mentioned in these. BTW,How many years of service you have got in this Jyotish ?Dont behave in such manners as the senior Gurus in this list may ban you. Recently I have a case of Partial Paralysis,which has been cured within 2 and half months of starting of the disease.I have instructed the parents of the girl to go for some remedies and I myself arranged some other remedies which I dont want to discuss with you and By the Grace of Lord Mrityunjaya ,the problems are solved and the girl has agin started going to the college to persue her studies. Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari, Ramadas Rao.sudeep suri <vaudeva99 > wrote: Dear Sir Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating MARA MARA instead of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS name .It is your Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most astrologers are themselves not realised people,infact most of them are spiritually not at all developed.They read from books and prescribe remedial measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures is a very lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can develop your own intuition which will guide yoou better than any IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER regardsmonmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote: Hello Sudeep:Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the supreme being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc.My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, but Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping the wrong Ista Devta as well.After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts to live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness.It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) mantras or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds of words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be chanted.People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain precautions or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the astrologer can be avoided or nullified. Now that we've established that different astrologer have different prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a prediction if it is not reliable?Mukundvedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote:> Dear Mukund> Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa is to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way to reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers are A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots who are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many are writing books without even having the ability to see the horoscope.It is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in KAL YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation.> god bless > om > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:> Dear Gentlepeople:> > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri Ayanamsa. > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman Ayanamsa. > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently > going through Rahu mahadasa.> > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural malefics > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real-life > experiences as both give negative results and I've been experiencing > consistent negative results.> > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as a > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, but > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > CONSISTENTLY !!!!> > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > which are radicaly different from each other. > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara and > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers > said?> > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION.> > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself.> > Mukund> > > Sponsor> > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service. > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE MessengerArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more! Click on India Promos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 DEar Ramdas You are typical Indian with a narrow conservative Mind.I am myself getting out of this BULL SHIT JYOTISH LIST.I have seen astrologers with big Ego but no ability to predict.No wonder India is a Bull Shit third world country<People Laugh at India as a bunch of Bufoons Worshipping Snakes and animals all the Time.Hell With your Bloody Jyotish Gurus. ThanksRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Sudeep, That means the Astrologers in this list are all idots eating money of the public.Thanks for your suggestion and giving good reward to the vedic Astrology.So Prashna Margam is wrong,Brihat Jataka is wrong or Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is wrong. Now you listen to me.I am here not to make money and by the Blessings of Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari,I dont have to make money through Vedic Astrology but I am trying to help the people to come out of their sins done in the previous life which nobody knows and the clues given through principles of Astrology help us to guide the common man. This Astrology Forum is formed not to grab the money of the punlic to help them to lead a happy life.You can ask most of the members who got thier problems solved through the remedies which myself or Other Gurus gave to the consultant. I dont want anybody in this list talk against Jyotish Shastra and the remedies mentioned in these. BTW,How many years of service you have got in this Jyotish ?Dont behave in such manners as the senior Gurus in this list may ban you. Recently I have a case of Partial Paralysis,which has been cured within 2 and half months of starting of the disease.I have instructed the parents of the girl to go for some remedies and I myself arranged some other remedies which I dont want to discuss with you and By the Grace of Lord Mrityunjaya ,the problems are solved and the girl has agin started going to the college to persue her studies. Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari, Ramadas Rao.sudeep suri <vaudeva99 > wrote: Dear Sir Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating MARA MARA instead of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS name .It is your Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most astrologers are themselves not realised people,infact most of them are spiritually not at all developed.They read from books and prescribe remedial measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures is a very lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can develop your own intuition which will guide yoou better than any IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER regardsmonmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote: Hello Sudeep:Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the supreme being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc.My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, but Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping the wrong Ista Devta as well.After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts to live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness.It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) mantras or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds of words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be chanted.People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain precautions or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the astrologer can be avoided or nullified. Now that we've established that different astrologer have different prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a prediction if it is not reliable?Mukundvedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote:> Dear Mukund> Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa is to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way to reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers are A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots who are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many are writing books without even having the ability to see the horoscope.It is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in KAL YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation.> god bless > om > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:> Dear Gentlepeople:> > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri Ayanamsa. > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman Ayanamsa. > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently > going through Rahu mahadasa.> > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural malefics > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real-life > experiences as both give negative results and I've been experiencing > consistent negative results.> > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as a > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, but > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > CONSISTENTLY !!!!> > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > which are radicaly different from each other. > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara and > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers > said?> > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION.> > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself.> > Mukund> > > Sponsor> > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service. > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE MessengerArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more! Click on India Promos Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Dear Ramadas Raoji Namaste Its quite natural for us to get agitated when our sincere efforts are questioned. I feel the aim of the persons questioning your efforts is the same.They want you to be agitated and nothing else. In this case i feel mukund and sudeep was infact the same individual doing mono act to make people agitated.Some bad experience in life or from some astrologers might had made him make such comments. hence continue with the help and remedies which is a blessing for all of us. regds and respect for gurujis pradeep vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote: > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > Dear Sudeep, > That means the Astrologers in this list are all idots eating money of the public.Thanks for your suggestion and giving good reward to the vedic Astrology.So Prashna Margam is wrong,Brihat Jataka is wrong or Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is wrong. > Now you listen to me.I am here not to make money and by the Blessings of Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari,I dont have to make money through Vedic Astrology but I am trying to help the people to come out of their sins done in the previous life which nobody knows and the clues given through principles of Astrology help us to guide the common man. > This Astrology Forum is formed not to grab the money of the punlic to help them to lead a happy life.You can ask most of the members who got thier problems solved through the remedies which myself or Other Gurus gave to the consultant. > I dont want anybody in this list talk against Jyotish Shastra and the remedies mentioned in these. > BTW,How many years of service you have got in this Jyotish ?Dont behave in such manners as the senior Gurus in this list may ban you. > Recently I have a case of Partial Paralysis,which has been cured within 2 and half months of starting of the disease.I have instructed the parents of the girl to go for some remedies and I myself arranged some other remedies which I dont want to discuss with you and By the Grace of Lord Mrityunjaya ,the problems are solved and the girl has agin started going to the college to persue her studies. > Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari, > Ramadas Rao. > sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote: > Dear Sir > Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating MARA MARA instead of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS name .It is your Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most astrologers are themselves not realised people,infact most of them are spiritually not at all developed.They read from books and prescribe remedial measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures is a very lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can develop your own intuition which will guide yoou better than any IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER > regards > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > Hello Sudeep: > > Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the supreme > being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling > becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc. > > My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, but > Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping > the wrong Ista Devta as well. > > After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts to > live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness. > > It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) mantras > or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. > This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers > prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of > SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds of > words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be chanted. > > People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the > flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain precautions > or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the > astrologer can be avoided or nullified. > > Now that we've established that different astrologer have different > prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a > prediction if it is not reliable? > > > Mukund > vedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> > wrote: > > Dear Mukund > > Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do > japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is > for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as > astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa is > to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and > meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way to > reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers are > A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are > spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots who > are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree > Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in > astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many are > writing books without even having the ability to see the horoscope.It > is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in KAL > YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation. > > god bless > > om > > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > Dear Gentlepeople: > > > > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri > Ayanamsa. > > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman > Ayanamsa. > > > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house > > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; > > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently > > going through Rahu mahadasa. > > > > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I > > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural > malefics > > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real- life > > experiences as both give negative results and I've been > experiencing > > consistent negative results. > > > > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of > > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase > > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried > > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as > a > > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, > but > > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > > CONSISTENTLY !!!! > > > > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a > > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > > which are radicaly different from each other. > > > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the > > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara > and > > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for > > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers > > said? > > > > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION. > > > > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself. > > > > Mukund > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE > Messenger > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? 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Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Dear Sudeep, I am not going to react for your mail rather I am praying Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari to pardon for your innocence. Surrenders t the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari, Ramadas Rao.sudeep suri <vaudeva99 > wrote: DEar Ramdas You are typical Indian with a narrow conservative Mind.I am myself getting out of this BULL SHIT JYOTISH LIST.I have seen astrologers with big Ego but no ability to predict.No wonder India is a Bull Shit third world country<People Laugh at India as a bunch of Bufoons Worshipping Snakes and animals all the Time.Hell With your Bloody Jyotish Gurus. ThanksRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Sudeep, That means the Astrologers in this list are all idots eating money of the public.Thanks for your suggestion and giving good reward to the vedic Astrology.So Prashna Margam is wrong,Brihat Jataka is wrong or Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is wrong. Now you listen to me.I am here not to make money and by the Blessings of Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari,I dont have to make money through Vedic Astrology but I am trying to help the people to come out of their sins done in the previous life which nobody knows and the clues given through principles of Astrology help us to guide the common man. This Astrology Forum is formed not to grab the money of the punlic to help them to lead a happy life.You can ask most of the members who got thier problems solved through the remedies which myself or Other Gurus gave to the consultant. I dont want anybody in this list talk against Jyotish Shastra and the remedies mentioned in these. BTW,How many years of service you have got in this Jyotish ?Dont behave in such manners as the senior Gurus in this list may ban you. Recently I have a case of Partial Paralysis,which has been cured within 2 and half months of starting of the disease.I have instructed the parents of the girl to go for some remedies and I myself arranged some other remedies which I dont want to discuss with you and By the Grace of Lord Mrityunjaya ,the problems are solved and the girl has agin started going to the college to persue her studies. Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari, Ramadas Rao.sudeep suri <vaudeva99 > wrote: Dear Sir Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating MARA MARA instead of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS name .It is your Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most astrologers are themselves not realised people,infact most of them are spiritually not at all developed.They read from books and prescribe remedial measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures is a very lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can develop your own intuition which will guide yoou better than any IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER regardsmonmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote: Hello Sudeep:Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the supreme being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc.My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, but Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping the wrong Ista Devta as well.After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts to live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness.It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) mantras or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds of words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be chanted.People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain precautions or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the astrologer can be avoided or nullified. Now that we've established that different astrologer have different prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a prediction if it is not reliable?Mukundvedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote:> Dear Mukund> Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa is to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way to reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers are A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots who are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many are writing books without even having the ability to see the horoscope.It is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in KAL YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation.> god bless > om > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:> Dear Gentlepeople:> > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri Ayanamsa. > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman Ayanamsa. > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently > going through Rahu mahadasa.> > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural malefics > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real-life > experiences as both give negative results and I've been experiencing > consistent negative results.> > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as a > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, but > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > CONSISTENTLY !!!!> > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > which are radicaly different from each other. > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara and > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers > said?> > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION.> > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself.> > Mukund> > > Sponsor> > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Terms of Service. > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE MessengerArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players and more! Click on India Promos Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Dear Vijayadas Pradeep, Thanks for the encouragement and support.Even If I wrote to Sudeep,I am not going to stop helping the people in giving remedies which help them to come out of their sins done in their previous lives. Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari, Ramadas Rao.vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep > wrote: Dear Ramadas RaojiNamasteIts quite natural for us to get agitated when our sincere efforts are questioned.I feel the aim of the persons questioning your efforts is the same.They want you to be agitated and nothing else.In this case i feel mukund and sudeep was infact the same individual doing mono act to make people agitated.Some bad experience in life or from some astrologers might had made him make such comments.hence continue with the help and remedies which is a blessing for all of us.regds and respect for gurujispradeep--- In vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> Dear Sudeep,> That means the Astrologers in this list are all idots eating money of the public.Thanks for your suggestion and giving good reward to the vedic Astrology.So Prashna Margam is wrong,Brihat Jataka is wrong or Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is wrong.> Now you listen to me.I am here not to make money and by the Blessings of Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari,I dont have to make money through Vedic Astrology but I am trying to help the people to come out of their sins done in the previous life which nobody knows and the clues given through principles of Astrology help us to guide the common man.> This Astrology Forum is formed not to grab the money of the punlic to help them to lead a happy life.You can ask most of the members who got thier problems solved through the remedies which myself or Other Gurus gave to the consultant.> I dont want anybody in this list talk against Jyotish Shastra and the remedies mentioned in these.> BTW,How many years of service you have got in this Jyotish ?Dont behave in such manners as the senior Gurus in this list may ban you.> Recently I have a case of Partial Paralysis,which has been cured within 2 and half months of starting of the disease.I have instructed the parents of the girl to go for some remedies and I myself arranged some other remedies which I dont want to discuss with you and By the Grace of Lord Mrityunjaya ,the problems are solved and the girl has agin started going to the college to persue her studies.> Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari,> Ramadas Rao.> sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote:> Dear Sir> Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating MARA MARA instead of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS name .It is your Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most astrologers are themselves not realised people,infact most of them are spiritually not at all developed.They read from books and prescribe remedial measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures is a very lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can develop your own intuition which will guide yoou better than any IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER> regards> > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:> > Hello Sudeep:> > Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the supreme > being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling > becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc.> > My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, but > Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping > the wrong Ista Devta as well.> > After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts to > live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness.> > It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) mantras > or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. > This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers > prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of > SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds of > words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be chanted.> > People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the > flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain precautions > or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the > astrologer can be avoided or nullified. > > Now that we've established that different astrologer have different > prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a > prediction if it is not reliable?> > > Mukund> --- In vedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> > wrote:> > Dear Mukund> > Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do > japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is > for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as > astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa is > to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and > meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way to > reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers are > A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are > spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots who > are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree > Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in > astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many are > writing books without even having the ability to see the horoscope.It > is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in KAL > YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation.> > god bless > > om > > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:> > Dear Gentlepeople:> > > > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri > Ayanamsa. > > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman > Ayanamsa. > > > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house > > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; > > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently > > going through Rahu mahadasa.> > > > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I > > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural > malefics > > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real-life > > experiences as both give negative results and I've been > experiencing > > consistent negative results.> > > > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of > > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase > > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried > > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as > a > > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, > but > > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > > CONSISTENTLY !!!!> > > > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a > > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > > which are radicaly different from each other. > > > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the > > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara > and > > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for > > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers > > said?> > > > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION.> > > > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself.> > > > Mukund> > > > > > Sponsor> > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE > Messenger> > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Dear Ramadasji, Although I am a young member and a non educated person in this science, hence I restrict this letter with my original reply, I hope you continue your teachings in this list and I personally know how much u help people. So many of my friends have written to you and received PRODUCTIVE help from you and you havent charged any money from them. My query was is this effect on the list members due to Mars closeness to Earth, I know what effect it is happening on my life and so much of mixed interpretations, also i am running MArs Dasha, but are others who are not running Mars dasha experiencing Maritian Effects, if not thro dasha maybe due to transits and transit aspects, is there some common trend that can be established. Best Love SJ PS: This list is like a temple and also a close knit family, sometimes family members have different views, nice to see that elders maintain their decorum. vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote: > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > Dear Vijayadas Pradeep, > Thanks for the encouragement and support.Even If I wrote to Sudeep,I am not going to stop helping the people in giving remedies which help them to come out of their sins done in their previous lives. > Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari, > Ramadas Rao. > > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > Dear Ramadas Raoji > > Namaste > Its quite natural for us to get agitated when our sincere efforts > are questioned. > > I feel the aim of the persons questioning your efforts > is the same.They want you to be agitated and nothing else. > > In this case i feel mukund and sudeep was infact the same individual > doing mono act to make people agitated.Some bad experience in life > or from some astrologers might had made him make such comments. > > hence continue with the help and remedies which is a blessing for > all of us. > > regds and respect for gurujis > pradeep > vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao > <ramadasrao> wrote: > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > > Dear Sudeep, > > That means the Astrologers in this list are all idots eating money > of the public.Thanks for your suggestion and giving good reward to > the vedic Astrology.So Prashna Margam is wrong,Brihat Jataka is > wrong or Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is wrong. > > Now you listen to me.I am here not to make money and by the > Blessings of Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari,I dont have to > make money through Vedic Astrology but I am trying to help the > people to come out of their sins done in the previous life which > nobody knows and the clues given through principles of Astrology > help us to guide the common man. > > This Astrology Forum is formed not to grab the money of the punlic > to help them to lead a happy life.You can ask most of the members > who got thier problems solved through the remedies which myself or > Other Gurus gave to the consultant. > > I dont want anybody in this list talk against Jyotish Shastra and > the remedies mentioned in these. > > BTW,How many years of service you have got in this Jyotish ?Dont > behave in such manners as the senior Gurus in this list may ban you. > > Recently I have a case of Partial Paralysis,which has been cured > within 2 and half months of starting of the disease.I have > instructed the parents of the girl to go for some remedies and I > myself arranged some other remedies which I dont want to discuss > with you and By the Grace of Lord Mrityunjaya ,the problems are > solved and the girl has agin started going to the college to persue > her studies. > > Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari, > > Ramadas Rao. > > sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote: > > Dear Sir > > Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating MARA MARA instead > of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS name .It is your > Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most astrologers are > themselves not realised people,infact most of them are spiritually > not at all developed.They read from books and prescribe remedial > measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures is a very > lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can develop your own > intuition which will guide yoou better than any IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER > > regards > > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > Hello Sudeep: > > > > Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the > supreme > > being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling > > becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc. > > > > My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, > but > > Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping > > the wrong Ista Devta as well. > > > > After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts > to > > live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness. > > > > It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) > mantras > > or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. > > This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers > > prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of > > SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds > of > > words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be > chanted. > > > > People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the > > flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain > precautions > > or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the > > astrologer can be avoided or nullified. > > > > Now that we've established that different astrologer have > different > > prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a > > prediction if it is not reliable? > > > > > > Mukund > > vedic astrology, sudeep suri > <vaudeva99> > > wrote: > > > Dear Mukund > > > Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do > > japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is > > for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as > > astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa > is > > to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and > > meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way > to > > reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers > are > > A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are > > spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots > who > > are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree > > Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in > > astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many > are > > writing books without even having the ability to see the > horoscope.It > > is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in > KAL > > YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation. > > > god bless > > > om > > > > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > > Dear Gentlepeople: > > > > > > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri > > Ayanamsa. > > > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman > > Ayanamsa. > > > > > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th > house > > > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > > > > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > > > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until > 05/2005; > > > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm > currently > > > going through Rahu mahadasa. > > > > > > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > > > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > > > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > > > > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should > I > > > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural > > malefics > > > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real- > life > > > experiences as both give negative results and I've been > > experiencing > > > consistent negative results. > > > > > > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap > of > > > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to > increase > > > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish > carried > > > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used > as > > a > > > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income > generation, > > but > > > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > > > CONSISTENTLY !!!! > > > > > > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems > like a > > > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > > > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > > > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > > > which are radicaly different from each other. > > > > > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is > the > > > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both > Parashara > > and > > > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic > for > > > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original > teachers > > > said? > > > > > > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > > > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION. > > > > > > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself. > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE > > > Messenger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Mr Suri, THe langauge used by you is highly objectionable, not withstanding your personal views about Indians, vedic astrology etc., If you go through the archives this list is to be considered as an hermitage, least of the places to use the kind of langauge you have chosen. pls note that Sri Ramadas Rao is doing a selfless service, if you do not agree with some or all of his views you have a right to remain silent!! pls take care. regards viswanadham vedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote: > DEar Ramdas > You are typical Indian with a narrow conservative Mind.I am myself getting out of this BULL SHIT JYOTISH LIST.I have seen astrologers with big Ego but no ability to predict.No wonder India is a Bull Shit third world country<People Laugh at India as a bunch of Bufoons Worshipping Snakes and animals all the Time.Hell With your Bloody Jyotish Gurus. > Thanks > > Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote: > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > Dear Sudeep, > That means the Astrologers in this list are all idots eating money of the public.Thanks for your suggestion and giving good reward to the vedic Astrology.So Prashna Margam is wrong,Brihat Jataka is wrong or Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is wrong. > Now you listen to me.I am here not to make money and by the Blessings of Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari,I dont have to make money through Vedic Astrology but I am trying to help the people to come out of their sins done in the previous life which nobody knows and the clues given through principles of Astrology help us to guide the common man. > This Astrology Forum is formed not to grab the money of the punlic to help them to lead a happy life.You can ask most of the members who got thier problems solved through the remedies which myself or Other Gurus gave to the consultant. > I dont want anybody in this list talk against Jyotish Shastra and the remedies mentioned in these. > BTW,How many years of service you have got in this Jyotish ?Dont behave in such manners as the senior Gurus in this list may ban you. > Recently I have a case of Partial Paralysis,which has been cured within 2 and half months of starting of the disease.I have instructed the parents of the girl to go for some remedies and I myself arranged some other remedies which I dont want to discuss with you and By the Grace of Lord Mrityunjaya ,the problems are solved and the girl has agin started going to the college to persue her studies. > Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari, > Ramadas Rao. > sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote: > Dear Sir > Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating MARA MARA instead of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS name .It is your Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most astrologers are themselves not realised people,infact most of them are spiritually not at all developed.They read from books and prescribe remedial measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures is a very lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can develop your own intuition which will guide yoou better than any IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER > regards > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > Hello Sudeep: > > Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the supreme > being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling > becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc. > > My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, but > Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping > the wrong Ista Devta as well. > > After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts to > live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness. > > It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) mantras > or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. > This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers > prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of > SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds of > words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be chanted. > > People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the > flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain precautions > or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the > astrologer can be avoided or nullified. > > Now that we've established that different astrologer have different > prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a > prediction if it is not reliable? > > > Mukund > vedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> > wrote: > > Dear Mukund > > Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do > japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is > for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as > astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa is > to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and > meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way to > reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers are > A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are > spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots who > are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree > Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in > astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many are > writing books without even having the ability to see the horoscope.It > is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in KAL > YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation. > > god bless > > om > > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > Dear Gentlepeople: > > > > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri > Ayanamsa. > > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman > Ayanamsa. > > > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house > > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; > > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently > > going through Rahu mahadasa. > > > > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I > > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural > malefics > > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real- life > > experiences as both give negative results and I've been > experiencing > > consistent negative results. > > > > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of > > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase > > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried > > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as > a > > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, > but > > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > > CONSISTENTLY !!!! > > > > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a > > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > > which are radicaly different from each other. > > > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the > > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara > and > > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for > > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers > > said? > > > > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION. > > > > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself. > > > > Mukund > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE > Messenger > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 dear suri, this not the good way to speakdont earn sin. this is the very nice group with lots of values. for your kind attention what ever shri.ramados rao ji predected for me is 100%correct. iam requesting you to change your way of thinking. hari om namho narayana, n.rajagoopalan --- vishwanatham <vishwanatham wrote: > Hare Rama Krishna > > Dear Mr Suri, > > THe langauge used by you is highly objectionable, > not withstanding > your personal views about Indians, vedic astrology > etc., > > If you go through the archives this list is to be > considered as an > hermitage, least of the places to use the kind of > langauge you have > chosen. > > pls note that Sri Ramadas Rao is doing a selfless > service, if you do > not agree with some or all of his views you have a > right to remain > silent!! > > pls take care. > > regards > viswanadham > > vedic astrology, sudeep suri > <vaudeva99> > wrote: > > DEar Ramdas > > You are typical Indian with a narrow conservative > Mind.I am myself > getting out of this BULL SHIT JYOTISH LIST.I have > seen astrologers > with big Ego but no ability to predict.No wonder > India is a Bull Shit > third world country<People Laugh at India as a bunch > of Bufoons > Worshipping Snakes and animals all the Time.Hell > With your Bloody > Jyotish Gurus. > > Thanks > > > > Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote: > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > > Dear Sudeep, > > That means the Astrologers in this list are all > idots eating money > of the public.Thanks for your suggestion and giving > good reward to > the vedic Astrology.So Prashna Margam is > wrong,Brihat Jataka is wrong > or Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is wrong. > > Now you listen to me.I am here not to make money > and by the > Blessings of Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari,I > dont have to > make money through Vedic Astrology but I am trying > to help the people > to come out of their sins done in the previous life > which nobody > knows and the clues given through principles of > Astrology help us to > guide the common man. > > This Astrology Forum is formed not to grab the > money of the punlic > to help them to lead a happy life.You can ask most > of the members who > got thier problems solved through the remedies which > myself or Other > Gurus gave to the consultant. > > I dont want anybody in this list talk against > Jyotish Shastra and > the remedies mentioned in these. > > BTW,How many years of service you have got in this > Jyotish ?Dont > behave in such manners as the senior Gurus in this > list may ban you. > > Recently I have a case of Partial Paralysis,which > has been cured > within 2 and half months of starting of the > disease.I have instructed > the parents of the girl to go for some remedies and > I myself arranged > some other remedies which I dont want to discuss > with you and By the > Grace of Lord Mrityunjaya ,the problems are solved > and the girl has > agin started going to the college to persue her > studies. > > Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother > Bhuvaneshwari, > > Ramadas Rao. > > sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote: > > Dear Sir > > Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating > MARA MARA instead > of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS > name .It is your > Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most > astrologers are > themselves not realised people,infact most of them > are spiritually > not at all developed.They read from books and > prescribe remedial > measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures > is a very > lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can > develop your own > intuition which will guide yoou better than any > IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER > > regards > > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > Hello Sudeep: > > > > Very well said. Your note related to love and > devotion to the > supreme > > being cooled down all the frustration and agner > I've been feeling > > becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, > etc. etc. > > > > My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my > Atmakaraka under Lahiri, > but > > Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I > was worshipping > > the wrong Ista Devta as well. > > > > After reading your note, I realized that faith in > God and attempts > to > > live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace > and happiness. > > > > It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars > (Narshimha) > mantras > > or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a > specific Ista Devta. > > This seems to be the right answer, than why are > atrologers > > prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC > gods, chanting of > > SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC > about the sounds of > > words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra > should be chanted. > > > > People seek prediction so that they can build a > dam before the > > flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take > certain > precautions > > or avoid certain risks so that the predicted > problems by the > > astrologer can be avoided or nullified. > > > > Now that we've established that different > astrologer have different > > prediction for the same native, then where is the > NEED for a > > prediction if it is not reliable? > > > > > > Mukund > > vedic astrology, sudeep > suri > <vaudeva99> > > wrote: > > > Dear Mukund > > > Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the > indweller.Do > > japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real > nature.Destiny is > > for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real > nature.As far as > > astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better > results.Raman Ayanamsa > is > > to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is > your indweller and > > meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature > is the only way > to > > reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology > and astrologers > are > > A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have > you met who are > > spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are > ignorant idiots who > > are just out to make money.In Toronto there is > Vijay Shree > > Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery > which has come in > > astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH > ASTROLOGERS) many are > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Dear Sunil, Thanks for the comments on the original mail.Dont worry,I am following the instructions given by Mother Bhuvaneshwari to help the people in this way. Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari, Ramadas Rao. suniljohn_2002 <suniljohn (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Ramadasji,Although I am a young member and a non educated person in this science, hence I restrict this letter with my original reply, I hope you continue your teachings in this list and I personally know how much u help people. So many of my friends have written to you and received PRODUCTIVE help from you and you havent charged any money from them.My query was is this effect on the list members due to Mars closeness to Earth, I know what effect it is happening on my life and so much of mixed interpretations, also i am running MArs Dasha, but are others who are not running Mars dasha experiencing Maritian Effects, if not thro dasha maybe due to transits and transit aspects, is there some common trend that can be established.Best Love SJPS: This list is like a temple and also a close knit family, sometimes family members have different views, nice to see that elders maintain their decorum.vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:> OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> Dear Vijayadas Pradeep,> Thanks for the encouragement and support.Even If I wrote to Sudeep,I am not going to stop helping the people in giving remedies which help them to come out of their sins done in their previous lives.> Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari,> Ramadas Rao.> > vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> Dear Ramadas Raoji> > Namaste> Its quite natural for us to get agitated when our sincere efforts > are questioned.> > I feel the aim of the persons questioning your efforts > is the same.They want you to be agitated and nothing else.> > In this case i feel mukund and sudeep was infact the same individual > doing mono act to make people agitated.Some bad experience in life > or from some astrologers might had made him make such comments.> > hence continue with the help and remedies which is a blessing for > all of us.> > regds and respect for gurujis> pradeep> vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao > <ramadasrao> wrote:> > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > Dear Sudeep,> > That means the Astrologers in this list are all idots eating money > of the public.Thanks for your suggestion and giving good reward to > the vedic Astrology.So Prashna Margam is wrong,Brihat Jataka is > wrong or Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is wrong.> > Now you listen to me.I am here not to make money and by the > Blessings of Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari,I dont have to > make money through Vedic Astrology but I am trying to help the > people to come out of their sins done in the previous life which > nobody knows and the clues given through principles of Astrology > help us to guide the common man.> > This Astrology Forum is formed not to grab the money of the punlic > to help them to lead a happy life.You can ask most of the members > who got thier problems solved through the remedies which myself or > Other Gurus gave to the consultant.> > I dont want anybody in this list talk against Jyotish Shastra and > the remedies mentioned in these.> > BTW,How many years of service you have got in this Jyotish ?Dont > behave in such manners as the senior Gurus in this list may ban you.> > Recently I have a case of Partial Paralysis,which has been cured > within 2 and half months of starting of the disease.I have > instructed the parents of the girl to go for some remedies and I > myself arranged some other remedies which I dont want to discuss > with you and By the Grace of Lord Mrityunjaya ,the problems are > solved and the girl has agin started going to the college to persue > her studies.> > Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari,> > Ramadas Rao.> > sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote:> > Dear Sir> > Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating MARA MARA instead > of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS name .It is your > Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most astrologers are > themselves not realised people,infact most of them are spiritually > not at all developed.They read from books and prescribe remedial > measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures is a very > lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can develop your own > intuition which will guide yoou better than any IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER> > regards> > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:> > > > Hello Sudeep:> > > > Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the > supreme > > being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling > > becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc.> > > > My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, > but > > Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping > > the wrong Ista Devta as well.> > > > After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts > to > > live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness.> > > > It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) > mantras > > or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. > > This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers > > prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of > > SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds > of > > words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be > chanted.> > > > People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the > > flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain > precautions > > or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the > > astrologer can be avoided or nullified. > > > > Now that we've established that different astrologer have > different > > prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a > > prediction if it is not reliable?> > > > > > Mukund> > --- In vedic astrology, sudeep suri > <vaudeva99> > > wrote:> > > Dear Mukund> > > Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do > > japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is > > for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as > > astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa > is > > to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and > > meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way > to > > reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers > are > > A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are > > spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots > who > > are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree > > Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in > > astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many > are > > writing books without even having the ability to see the > horoscope.It > > is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in > KAL > > YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation.> > > god bless > > > om > > > > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:> > > Dear Gentlepeople:> > > > > > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri > > Ayanamsa. > > > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman > > Ayanamsa. > > > > > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th > house > > > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > > > > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > > > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until > 05/2005; > > > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm > currently > > > going through Rahu mahadasa.> > > > > > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > > > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > > > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > > > > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should > I > > > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural > > malefics > > > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real-> life > > > experiences as both give negative results and I've been > > experiencing > > > consistent negative results.> > > > > > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap > of > > > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to > increase > > > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish > carried > > > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used > as > > a > > > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income > generation, > > but > > > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > > > CONSISTENTLY !!!!> > > > > > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems > like a > > > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > > > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > > > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > > > which are radicaly different from each other. > > > > > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is > the > > > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both > Parashara > > and > > > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic > for > > > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original > teachers > > > said?> > > > > > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > > > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION.> > > > > > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself.> > > > > > Mukund> > > > > > > > > Sponsor> > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > Group info: vedic-> astrology/info.html> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? 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Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Hello Pradeep: I'm Mukund, not Sudeep. I don't know who Sudeep is or anything else about him. I don't condone Sudeep's last note about India being a country of snake-worshippers, etc. etc. The note that I wrote about Ayanamsa is a sincere note. I didn't belittle astrologers or anyone else in particular. Two radically different horoscopes using two different Ayanamsa is an issue that needs to be reconciled with a dialouge and therefore I posted it. If you feel that my topic is inappropriate, please don't post anymore responses to it. Thank you P.S. I'm not Sudeep, I don't know Sudeep. Regards Mukund vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote: > Dear Ramadas Raoji > > Namaste > Its quite natural for us to get agitated when our sincere efforts > are questioned. > > I feel the aim of the persons questioning your efforts > is the same.They want you to be agitated and nothing else. > > In this case i feel mukund and sudeep was infact the same individual > doing mono act to make people agitated.Some bad experience in life > or from some astrologers might had made him make such comments. > > hence continue with the help and remedies which is a blessing for > all of us. > > regds and respect for gurujis > pradeep > vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao > <ramadasrao> wrote: > > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > > Dear Sudeep, > > That means the Astrologers in this list are all idots eating money > of the public.Thanks for your suggestion and giving good reward to > the vedic Astrology.So Prashna Margam is wrong,Brihat Jataka is > wrong or Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is wrong. > > Now you listen to me.I am here not to make money and by the > Blessings of Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari,I dont have to > make money through Vedic Astrology but I am trying to help the > people to come out of their sins done in the previous life which > nobody knows and the clues given through principles of Astrology > help us to guide the common man. > > This Astrology Forum is formed not to grab the money of the punlic > to help them to lead a happy life.You can ask most of the members > who got thier problems solved through the remedies which myself or > Other Gurus gave to the consultant. > > I dont want anybody in this list talk against Jyotish Shastra and > the remedies mentioned in these. > > BTW,How many years of service you have got in this Jyotish ?Dont > behave in such manners as the senior Gurus in this list may ban you. > > Recently I have a case of Partial Paralysis,which has been cured > within 2 and half months of starting of the disease.I have > instructed the parents of the girl to go for some remedies and I > myself arranged some other remedies which I dont want to discuss > with you and By the Grace of Lord Mrityunjaya ,the problems are > solved and the girl has agin started going to the college to persue > her studies. > > Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari, > > Ramadas Rao. > > sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote: > > Dear Sir > > Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating MARA MARA instead > of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS name .It is your > Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most astrologers are > themselves not realised people,infact most of them are spiritually > not at all developed.They read from books and prescribe remedial > measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures is a very > lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can develop your own > intuition which will guide yoou better than any IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER > > regards > > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > Hello Sudeep: > > > > Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the > supreme > > being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling > > becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc. > > > > My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, > but > > Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping > > the wrong Ista Devta as well. > > > > After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts > to > > live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness. > > > > It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) > mantras > > or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. > > This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers > > prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of > > SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds > of > > words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be > chanted. > > > > People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the > > flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain > precautions > > or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the > > astrologer can be avoided or nullified. > > > > Now that we've established that different astrologer have > different > > prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a > > prediction if it is not reliable? > > > > > > Mukund > > vedic astrology, sudeep suri > <vaudeva99> > > wrote: > > > Dear Mukund > > > Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do > > japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is > > for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as > > astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa > is > > to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and > > meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way > to > > reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers > are > > A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are > > spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots > who > > are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree > > Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in > > astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many > are > > writing books without even having the ability to see the > horoscope.It > > is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in > KAL > > YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation. > > > god bless > > > om > > > > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > > Dear Gentlepeople: > > > > > > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri > > Ayanamsa. > > > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman > > Ayanamsa. > > > > > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th > house > > > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > > > > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > > > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until > 05/2005; > > > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm > currently > > > going through Rahu mahadasa. > > > > > > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > > > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > > > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > > > > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should > I > > > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural > > malefics > > > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real- > life > > > experiences as both give negative results and I've been > > experiencing > > > consistent negative results. > > > > > > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap > of > > > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to > increase > > > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish > carried > > > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used > as > > a > > > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income > generation, > > but > > > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > > > CONSISTENTLY !!!! > > > > > > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems > like a > > > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > > > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > > > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > > > which are radicaly different from each other. > > > > > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is > the > > > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both > Parashara > > and > > > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic > for > > > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original > teachers > > > said? > > > > > > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > > > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION. > > > > > > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself. > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE > > > Messenger > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted August 24, 2003 Report Share Posted August 24, 2003 Hello Sudeep: This is a public forum and you're entitled to your opinion. Howerver, the language you used in this note is not acceptable on ANY forum. You are of Indian ethnicity and you should be proud of your culture and heritage. When you bad-mouth Indians, you're directly bad-mouthing yourself. I further object to your using my genuine question/doubt about Ayanamsa as a platform to bad-mouth and condemn astrologers in the most inappropriate langauge. Mr. Ramdas Rao, Visti, Sanjay, PVR, Weiss, Chandrasekhar and many others who post responses on this board are doing it self-lessly. They are doing a service to poor people who cannot afford the prices of professional astrologer and they are doing a service to people who've reached the end of their own will and are seeking to understand God's will in facing the problems in their lives. Sir, you appear to be well-educated person, but you pissed it all away by using the language you did in this note. Ya, it is ALWAYS OK to have a dissenting opinion in any dialouge or a forum and many a times I have posted dissented even with the Masters on this board; however, one needs to use the appropriate language. If you're going to continue to use filthy, condesending language, then you're not welcome on this board. Thank you. Mukund vedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote: > DEar Ramdas > You are typical Indian with a narrow conservative Mind.I am myself getting out of this BULL SHIT JYOTISH LIST.I have seen astrologers with big Ego but no ability to predict.No wonder India is a Bull Shit third world country<People Laugh at India as a bunch of Bufoons Worshipping Snakes and animals all the Time.Hell With your Bloody Jyotish Gurus. > Thanks > > Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote: > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > Dear Sudeep, > That means the Astrologers in this list are all idots eating money of the public.Thanks for your suggestion and giving good reward to the vedic Astrology.So Prashna Margam is wrong,Brihat Jataka is wrong or Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is wrong. > Now you listen to me.I am here not to make money and by the Blessings of Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari,I dont have to make money through Vedic Astrology but I am trying to help the people to come out of their sins done in the previous life which nobody knows and the clues given through principles of Astrology help us to guide the common man. > This Astrology Forum is formed not to grab the money of the punlic to help them to lead a happy life.You can ask most of the members who got thier problems solved through the remedies which myself or Other Gurus gave to the consultant. > I dont want anybody in this list talk against Jyotish Shastra and the remedies mentioned in these. > BTW,How many years of service you have got in this Jyotish ?Dont behave in such manners as the senior Gurus in this list may ban you. > Recently I have a case of Partial Paralysis,which has been cured within 2 and half months of starting of the disease.I have instructed the parents of the girl to go for some remedies and I myself arranged some other remedies which I dont want to discuss with you and By the Grace of Lord Mrityunjaya ,the problems are solved and the girl has agin started going to the college to persue her studies. > Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari, > Ramadas Rao. > sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote: > Dear Sir > Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating MARA MARA instead of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS name .It is your Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most astrologers are themselves not realised people,infact most of them are spiritually not at all developed.They read from books and prescribe remedial measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures is a very lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can develop your own intuition which will guide yoou better than any IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER > regards > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > Hello Sudeep: > > Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the supreme > being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling > becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc. > > My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, but > Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping > the wrong Ista Devta as well. > > After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts to > live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness. > > It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) mantras > or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. > This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers > prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of > SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds of > words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be chanted. > > People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the > flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain precautions > or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the > astrologer can be avoided or nullified. > > Now that we've established that different astrologer have different > prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a > prediction if it is not reliable? > > > Mukund > vedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> > wrote: > > Dear Mukund > > Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do > japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is > for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as > astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa is > to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and > meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way to > reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers are > A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are > spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots who > are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree > Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in > astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many are > writing books without even having the ability to see the horoscope.It > is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in KAL > YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation. > > god bless > > om > > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > Dear Gentlepeople: > > > > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri > Ayanamsa. > > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman > Ayanamsa. > > > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house > > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; > > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently > > going through Rahu mahadasa. > > > > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I > > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural > malefics > > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real- life > > experiences as both give negative results and I've been > experiencing > > consistent negative results. > > > > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of > > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase > > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried > > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as > a > > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, > but > > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > > CONSISTENTLY !!!! > > > > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a > > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > > which are radicaly different from each other. > > > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the > > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara > and > > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for > > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers > > said? > > > > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION. > > > > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself. > > > > Mukund > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE > Messenger > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 vedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote: > You are typical Indian with a narrow conservative Mind. Oh, you are so well versed in protestant diction regarding conservative vs. liberal. This is what is being called "mapping experiences" or colonial experience > I am myself getting out of this BULL SHIT JYOTISH LIST. Heathens are indifferent to others' pratices. Thanks to secular education in the name of (natural/social)sciences, Now we are structuring our experiences. It is altogether different a matter. > I have seen astrologers with big Ego but no ability to predict. I am not sure of modern astrologers; but jyotishas in our villages are not inculcating us to *believe in* this or that. > No wonder India is a Bull Shit third world country Of course, another echolalia:) >People Laugh at India as a bunch of Bufoons Worshipping Snakes and >animals all the Time. Yeah, thats what believers understood of heathens. Lord God had not distinguished pooja from worship. So be it! >Hell With your Bloody Jyotish Gurus Yes Indeed, our jyotisha in village is more poweful that Psychiatrist w/ certifications in Amricaa charging $80/hr for months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Your post re: Ayanamsa is a reasonable question. The question of The Ayanamsa was settled by a Comittee of eminent Astologers, set up by the Govt. Of India, and It was decided to adopt a common ayanmsa, which was about 5 to 6 seconds off Laheri Ayanamsa. Laheri also changed his ayansa after this date. Today almost all Traditional Astrologers use Laheri Aynamsa, except the followers of KP, who use the KP Aynamsa. The difference between the two is that Laheri held that it was in AD 289 that the Sayana and Nirayan Postions were same, i.e. Ayanmasa was 0. KP followers take this year as 295. The best way of checking the correctness or otherwise of the Particular Ayanams is Cast the Chart using it.. Get the Vimsottari Dasas, and CHECk wether one's Marriage/ Birth of Child etc is reflected in the DASA/BHUKTI/Antara Lords. If this checks then accept it. If this does not then reject it. The Ayanamsa affects the Nirayan Longitude of the MOON, and hence the start of the Vimsottari Dasa. monmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote: Hello Pradeep:I'm Mukund, not Sudeep. I don't know who Sudeep is or anything else about him.I don't condone Sudeep's last note about India being a country of snake-worshippers, etc. etc.The note that I wrote about Ayanamsa is a sincere note. I didn't belittle astrologers or anyone else in particular. Two radically different horoscopes using two different Ayanamsa is an issue that needs to be reconciled with a dialouge and therefore I posted it. If you feel that my topic is inappropriate, please don't post anymore responses to it. Thank youP.S. I'm not Sudeep, I don't know Sudeep.RegardsMukund--- In vedic astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep> wrote:> Dear Ramadas Raoji> > Namaste> Its quite natural for us to get agitated when our sincere efforts > are questioned.> > I feel the aim of the persons questioning your efforts > is the same.They want you to be agitated and nothing else.> > In this case i feel mukund and sudeep was infact the same individual > doing mono act to make people agitated.Some bad experience in life > or from some astrologers might had made him make such comments.> > hence continue with the help and remedies which is a blessing for > all of us.> > regds and respect for gurujis> pradeep> vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao > <ramadasrao> wrote:> > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA> > Dear Sudeep,> > That means the Astrologers in this list are all idots eating money > of the public.Thanks for your suggestion and giving good reward to > the vedic Astrology.So Prashna Margam is wrong,Brihat Jataka is > wrong or Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is wrong.> > Now you listen to me.I am here not to make money and by the > Blessings of Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari,I dont have to > make money through Vedic Astrology but I am trying to help the > people to come out of their sins done in the previous life which > nobody knows and the clues given through principles of Astrology > help us to guide the common man.> > This Astrology Forum is formed not to grab the money of the punlic > to help them to lead a happy life.You can ask most of the members > who got thier problems solved through the remedies which myself or > Other Gurus gave to the consultant.> > I dont want anybody in this list talk against Jyotish Shastra and > the remedies mentioned in these.> > BTW,How many years of service you have got in this Jyotish ?Dont > behave in such manners as the senior Gurus in this list may ban you.> > Recently I have a case of Partial Paralysis,which has been cured > within 2 and half months of starting of the disease.I have > instructed the parents of the girl to go for some remedies and I > myself arranged some other remedies which I dont want to discuss > with you and By the Grace of Lord Mrityunjaya ,the problems are > solved and the girl has agin started going to the college to persue > her studies.> > Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari,> > Ramadas Rao.> > sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote:> > Dear Sir> > Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating MARA MARA instead > of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS name .It is your > Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most astrologers are > themselves not realised people,infact most of them are spiritually > not at all developed.They read from books and prescribe remedial > measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures is a very > lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can develop your own > intuition which will guide yoou better than any IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER> > regards> > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:> > > > Hello Sudeep:> > > > Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the > supreme > > being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling > > becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc.> > > > My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, > but > > Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping > > the wrong Ista Devta as well.> > > > After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts > to > > live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness.> > > > It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) > mantras > > or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. > > This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers > > prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of > > SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds > of > > words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be > chanted.> > > > People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the > > flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain > precautions > > or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the > > astrologer can be avoided or nullified. > > > > Now that we've established that different astrologer have > different > > prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a > > prediction if it is not reliable?> > > > > > Mukund> > vedic astrology, sudeep suri > <vaudeva99> > > wrote:> > > Dear Mukund> > > Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do > > japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is > > for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as > > astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa > is > > to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and > > meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way > to > > reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers > are > > A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are > > spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots > who > > are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree > > Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in > > astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many > are > > writing books without even having the ability to see the > horoscope.It > > is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in > KAL > > YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation.> > > god bless > > > om > > > > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:> > > Dear Gentlepeople:> > > > > > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri > > Ayanamsa. > > > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman > > Ayanamsa. > > > > > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th > house > > > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > > > > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > > > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until > 05/2005; > > > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm > currently > > > going through Rahu mahadasa.> > > > > > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > > > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > > > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > > > > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should > I > > > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural > > malefics > > > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real-> life > > > experiences as both give negative results and I've been > > experiencing > > > consistent negative results.> > > > > > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap > of > > > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to > increase > > > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish > carried > > > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used > as > > a > > > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income > generation, > > but > > > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > > > CONSISTENTLY !!!!> > > > > > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems > like a > > > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > > > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > > > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > > > which are radicaly different from each other. > > > > > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is > the > > > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both > Parashara > > and > > > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic > for > > > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original > teachers > > > said?> > > > > > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > > > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION.> > > > > > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself.> > > > > > Mukund> > > > > > > > > Sponsor> > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > Group info: vedic-> astrology/info.html> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? 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Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Very sensible post. I would suppose that the litmus test of any ayanamsa is to calculate the planetary positions and then validate them with what's actually observed. Wonder if anyone is doing research in this field? The next best test, as sridhar k pointed out, would be to calculate the vimshottari dasha (or any dasha based on position of planet) and see how it matches the reality ie., are the incidents in one's life reflected accurately in the dasha scheme? For finetuning, the various difference in the year (360 days or 365 days or 360 savana days or 360 degree solar motion...) can be tried. At least that is how I would try to resolve the ambiguity. But here again, there's another bone of controversy: lets say if a fairly important event like marriage is represented by Vimshottari dasha scheme X-Y-Z (X,Y,Z being planets), to one Jyotish, this scheme may look okay but to another Jyotish, this scheme may not look okay! thats why there's an urgent need to standardize the various Jyotish principles so that there's no confusion. bottomline is to try various systems and then stick to the one that you decide works best. no point in studying further if you cant decide which one works for you. regards Hari vedic astrology, sridhar k <kopparsa> wrote: > Dear Mukund > Your post re: Ayanamsa is a reasonable question. > The question of The Ayanamsa was settled by a Comittee of eminent Astologers, set up by the Govt. Of India, and It was decided to adopt a common ayanmsa, which was about 5 to 6 seconds off Laheri Ayanamsa. Laheri also changed his ayansa after this date. > > Today almost all Traditional Astrologers use Laheri Aynamsa, except the followers of KP, who use the KP Aynamsa. The difference between the two is that Laheri held that it was in AD 289 that the Sayana and Nirayan Postions were same, i.e. Ayanmasa was 0. KP followers take this year as 295. > > The best way of checking the correctness or otherwise of the Particular Ayanams is Cast the Chart using it.. Get the Vimsottari Dasas, and CHECk wether one's Marriage/ Birth of Child etc is reflected in the DASA/BHUKTI/Antara Lords. If this checks then accept it. If this does not then reject it. The Ayanamsa affects the Nirayan Longitude of the MOON, and hence the start of the Vimsottari Dasa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna! In the introduction shloka to Brhad Parasara Hora Sastra, Sage Parasara warns that whoever blasphemes this sacred knowledge of Jyotish will be born blind in the next life. Beware your words! Yours, Dhira Krsna dasa, Jyotisha http://www.radhadesh.com >> DEar Ramdas > You are typical Indian with a narrow conservative Mind.I am myself >getting out of this BULL SHIT JYOTISH LIST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Sudeep, You are an asshole! (Just so that you know that we can abuse and swear too). India is not third-world and shit, but you are too screwed up to understand its culture. You pompous bastard... Jyotishies are not prostitutes...it is you who is a pimp and hence finds everything worthy of prostitution. This post is not written in rage, but with cool mind. This mail has been written to let psychos like you know that Jyotishes and Jyotish vidya are not garbage in the street that anyone can take for granted. Now get the fuck off and don't ever take Sri Ramdas Rao's name with your dirty mouth. He is a saint and he has helped hundreds of people with his knowledge. Whereas you are just a sucker... Dear Members: I BEG FOR YOUR FORGIVENESS. I HAVE USED THE LOWEST LANGUAGE A HUMAN COULD POSSIBLY. BUT SOMEONE HAD TO TELL THIS IDIOT WHAT HE IS. I CANNOT STAND INSULT OF SRI RAMDAS RAO, JYOTISH VIDYA, MY FELLOW JYOTISHIS, GURUJIS AND INDIA. Namaste. Rageshwari. vedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote: > DEar Ramdas > You are typical Indian with a narrow conservative Mind.I am myself getting out of this BULL SHIT JYOTISH LIST.I have seen astrologers with big Ego but no ability to predict.No wonder India is a Bull Shit third world country<People Laugh at India as a bunch of Bufoons Worshipping Snakes and animals all the Time.Hell With your Bloody Jyotish Gurus. > Thanks > > Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote: > OM NAMO NARAYANAYA > Dear Sudeep, > That means the Astrologers in this list are all idots eating money of the public.Thanks for your suggestion and giving good reward to the vedic Astrology.So Prashna Margam is wrong,Brihat Jataka is wrong or Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is wrong. > Now you listen to me.I am here not to make money and by the Blessings of Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari,I dont have to make money through Vedic Astrology but I am trying to help the people to come out of their sins done in the previous life which nobody knows and the clues given through principles of Astrology help us to guide the common man. > This Astrology Forum is formed not to grab the money of the punlic to help them to lead a happy life.You can ask most of the members who got thier problems solved through the remedies which myself or Other Gurus gave to the consultant. > I dont want anybody in this list talk against Jyotish Shastra and the remedies mentioned in these. > BTW,How many years of service you have got in this Jyotish ?Dont behave in such manners as the senior Gurus in this list may ban you. > Recently I have a case of Partial Paralysis,which has been cured within 2 and half months of starting of the disease.I have instructed the parents of the girl to go for some remedies and I myself arranged some other remedies which I dont want to discuss with you and By the Grace of Lord Mrityunjaya ,the problems are solved and the girl has agin started going to the college to persue her studies. > Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari, > Ramadas Rao. > sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote: > Dear Sir > Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating MARA MARA instead of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS name .It is your Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most astrologers are themselves not realised people,infact most of them are spiritually not at all developed.They read from books and prescribe remedial measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures is a very lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can develop your own intuition which will guide yoou better than any IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER > regards > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > Hello Sudeep: > > Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the supreme > being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling > becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc. > > My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, but > Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping > the wrong Ista Devta as well. > > After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts to > live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness. > > It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) mantras > or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. > This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers > prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of > SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds of > words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be chanted. > > People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the > flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain precautions > or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the > astrologer can be avoided or nullified. > > Now that we've established that different astrologer have different > prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a > prediction if it is not reliable? > > > Mukund > vedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> > wrote: > > Dear Mukund > > Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do > japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is > for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as > astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa is > to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and > meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way to > reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers are > A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are > spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots who > are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree > Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in > astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many are > writing books without even having the ability to see the horoscope.It > is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in KAL > YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation. > > god bless > > om > > > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > Dear Gentlepeople: > > > > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri > Ayanamsa. > > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman > Ayanamsa. > > > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house > > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; > > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently > > going through Rahu mahadasa. > > > > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I > > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural > malefics > > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real- life > > experiences as both give negative results and I've been > experiencing > > consistent negative results. > > > > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of > > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase > > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried > > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as > a > > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, > but > > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > > CONSISTENTLY !!!! > > > > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a > > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > > which are radicaly different from each other. > > > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the > > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara > and > > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for > > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers > > said? > > > > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION. > > > > P.S. I'm not picking on the Brahmins, I'm a Brahmin myself. > > > > Mukund > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE > Messenger > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Messenger > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Sudeep Suri, People don't laugh at India or all Indians. However, people the world over (including indians) laugh at immature and childlike indians such as yourself...Teehee!! If you really had a point you would have put that forth a valid argument without going off the edge. Have some control man, dont torture yourself so much. May God Bless You and All of Us. Regards, - Jai - sudeep suri vedic astrology Sunday, August 24, 2003 5:21 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ayanamsa: Lahiri Vs. Raman DEar Ramdas You are typical Indian with a narrow conservative Mind.I am myself getting out of this BULL SHIT JYOTISH LIST.I have seen astrologers with big Ego but no ability to predict.No wonder India is a Bull Shit third world country<People Laugh at India as a bunch of Bufoons Worshipping Snakes and animals all the Time.Hell With your Bloody Jyotish Gurus. ThanksRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: OM NAMO NARAYANAYA Dear Sudeep, That means the Astrologers in this list are all idots eating money of the public.Thanks for your suggestion and giving good reward to the vedic Astrology.So Prashna Margam is wrong,Brihat Jataka is wrong or Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra is wrong. Now you listen to me.I am here not to make money and by the Blessings of Lord Krishna and Mother Bhuvaneshwari,I dont have to make money through Vedic Astrology but I am trying to help the people to come out of their sins done in the previous life which nobody knows and the clues given through principles of Astrology help us to guide the common man. This Astrology Forum is formed not to grab the money of the punlic to help them to lead a happy life.You can ask most of the members who got thier problems solved through the remedies which myself or Other Gurus gave to the consultant. I dont want anybody in this list talk against Jyotish Shastra and the remedies mentioned in these. BTW,How many years of service you have got in this Jyotish ?Dont behave in such manners as the senior Gurus in this list may ban you. Recently I have a case of Partial Paralysis,which has been cured within 2 and half months of starting of the disease.I have instructed the parents of the girl to go for some remedies and I myself arranged some other remedies which I dont want to discuss with you and By the Grace of Lord Mrityunjaya ,the problems are solved and the girl has agin started going to the college to persue her studies. Surrendered at the Holy Feet of Mother Bhuvaneshwari, Ramadas Rao.sudeep suri <vaudeva99 > wrote: Dear Sir Rogue Ratnakar become a great sage by repeating MARA MARA instead of Rama Rama.It does not matter how you repeat GODS name .It is your Love and Devotion to the Lord which counts.Most astrologers are themselves not realised people,infact most of them are spiritually not at all developed.They read from books and prescribe remedial measures.And of course astrology + remedial measures is a very lucarative business. By prayers and Sadhana you can develop your own intuition which will guide yoou better than any IDIOTIC ASTROLOGER regardsmonmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote: Hello Sudeep:Very well said. Your note related to love and devotion to the supreme being cooled down all the frustration and agner I've been feeling becasue I thought I was doing the wrong mantras, etc. etc.My Atmakaraka changed as well--Sun is my Atmakaraka under Lahiri, but Mars became the Atmakara under Raman--this means I was worshipping the wrong Ista Devta as well.After reading your note, I realized that faith in God and attempts to live a righteous life is the ONLY answer for peace and happiness.It really doesn't matter whether I chant the Mars (Narshimha) mantras or Rahu (Durga) matras. OR whether I worhip a specific Ista Devta. This seems to be the right answer, than why are atrologers prescribing SPECIFIC yagnas, worship of SPECIFIC gods, chanting of SPECIFIC mantras? PVR Narshima is even SPECIFIC about the sounds of words of the mantra and the mudra when the mantra should be chanted.People seek prediction so that they can build a dam before the flood,i.e. they can modify their behavior OR take certain precautions or avoid certain risks so that the predicted problems by the astrologer can be avoided or nullified. Now that we've established that different astrologer have different prediction for the same native, then where is the NEED for a prediction if it is not reliable?Mukundvedic astrology, sudeep suri <vaudeva99> wrote:> Dear Mukund> Develop love and devotion to the LORD who is the indweller.Do japaof Gods name .Do SELF enquiry into your real nature.Destiny is for the EGO not the ATMAN which is your real nature.As far as astrology goes Lahiri Ayanamsa gives better results.Raman Ayanamsa is to be ignored.But again Surrender to GOD who is your indweller and meditation and understanding of ones ATMIC nature is the only way to reduce the impact of Prarbadha.Most of Astrology and astrologers are A BAG OF GARBAGE.Tell me how many astrologers have you met who are spiritually evolved people.Most astrologers are ignorant idiots who are just out to make money.In Toronto there is Vijay Shree Kaushik.She is the very EPITOME of debauchery which has come in astrology.And india is full of them (DE BAUCH ASTROLOGERS) many are writing books without even having the ability to see the horoscope.It is KAL YUG and evil and Dishonesty rules.Rishi Narad has said in KAL YUG JAPA YOGA is the only way to salvation.> god bless > om > > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:> Dear Gentlepeople:> > I was used to looking at my chart prepared using the Lahiri Ayanamsa. > Now, a reputed astrologer prepared my chart using the Raman Ayanamsa. > > In the Raman rashi chart, Sun moved from 7th house to the 8th house > and the Navamsha chart TOTALLY changed. > > Worst, the calculation of mahadasa changed. I was under the > impression that I'm going through the Mars mahadass until 05/2005; > however, per Raman, my Rahu mahadasa began 02/2003 so I'm currently > going through Rahu mahadasa.> > What the heck is going on? Which one is correct???? This changes > everything--I am doing all these poojas and mantras thinking I'm > going throug Mars mahadasa. > > Now, if I going through Rahu dasa as per Raman, which one should I > follow? In fact, both Mars and Rahu are heavy-duty natural malefics > so there is no way to differentiate between them using my real-life > experiences as both give negative results and I've been experiencing > consistent negative results.> > Is there any standardization in Jyothish or is it just big heap of > crock cooked up by some old sages and Brahmins trying to increase > their clout and control over the kings???? Was this Jyotish carried > on generation after generation by the Brahmin families and used as a > means of income generation? Nothing wrong with income generation, but > everthing wrong with not being able to do things right > CONSISTENTLY !!!!> > I regret spending two years learning Jyotish as it now seems like a > big cross-word puzzle without a right answer, I wish I had spent > these two years learning a foriegn language or getting a second > masters degree. Everyone seems to be making up their own asnwers > which are radicaly different from each other. > > The worst of all is the Systems Approach which says Saturn is the > most funcational benefic planet for Scorpio Lagna. Both Parashara and > Satyacharya have clearly said that Saturn is funcional malefic for > Scorpio Lagna so why screw around with that the original teachers > said?> > This experience once more strengthens my statement that NO > ASTROLOGER, VEDIC OR WESTERN, CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE PREDICTION.> > P.S. 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Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Dear Mukund, Hare Rama Krsna! Besides the AK changing with different ayanamsa, are there other things that change as well? I didn't see your chart, did you post it on the list already? I have been doing quite some research in different ayanamsas, and finally concluded Lahiri is the correct one. It would be interesting to have a chart that has some planet about 1 degree or even a few seconds from the edge of a sign or D-chart. I'm sure there are many like that. Then it can be checked that another ayanamsa will be incorrect in explaining events. Yours, Dhira Krsna dasa, Jyotisha http://www.radhadesh.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Hello Mr. Dhira Krishna Das: I don't know how to post my chart that I ran on some website. However, here are my birth details: DOB: June 14, 1967 TOB: 5.30 pm (this is accurate) POB: Bombay, India Sex: Male Per Lahiri my Atmakaraka is Sun at 29.5 degrees in Taurus. Per Raman, Sun moved into Gemini at 0.5 degrees, thus making Mars my Atmakaraka. I haven't studied how this changed my divisional charts. Navamsa chart changed radically. Hope this helps your research. Thanks. Mukund vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS" <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote: > Dear Mukund, > > Hare Rama Krsna! > > Besides the AK changing with different ayanamsa, are there other things > that change as well? I didn't see your chart, did you post it on the list > already? > > I have been doing quite some research in different ayanamsas, and finally > concluded Lahiri is the correct one. It would be interesting to have a > chart that has some planet about 1 degree or even a few seconds from the > edge of a sign or D-chart. I'm sure there are many like that. Then it can > be checked that another ayanamsa will be incorrect in explaining events. > > Yours, > Dhira Krsna dasa, > Jyotisha > http://www.radhadesh.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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