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Dear Members,

 

Thank you all whoever contributed their wonderful ideas on this

topic. But you may have noticed, the replies we are all

getting on a wrong subject name and wrong discussion group.

 

I thought our moderator did mentioned few times about non

astrological messages are to be limited to this VA group.

I also know, Narasimha Ji has not given me any admin wrights

to publish this message, but being a member of SJC, I thought

let me remind you all about Non-Astrological subject

discussion may not be good idea to be continued.

 

I request everyone to stop responding to this message and let

us continue our learning and discussions on VA related.

 

Hope you do not mind me in reminding this and forgive me

if I have hurt anyone's feelings.

 

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vedic astrology, Rajiv Lakhanpal

<chakroo> wrote:

> Dear All,

> I agree that some of you are making a statement that US and other

western countries were founded on basis of capitalism and India is

based on socialism. I think there is a big WAS as the new India is

slowly getting engulfed in the jaws of capitalism just like any of

the western countries.

> Socialism as a concept is good in theory but fails in making things

efficient. I personally agree that the promises of socialism are the

ones we should all strive for. But how many of us have place for each

other in our hearts. We as humans are susceptible to the evil

qualities of hate, greed, envy and more.

> Eventually as things have already started changing in our country,

capitalism will find its roots there too. In a recent visit to India

I have seen atleast in bug cities people do not have the time for

each other. Families which were once joint have started becoming

nuclear. Respect for elders is soon vanishing as can be seen from the

increasing number of old age homes that are coming up. This is not

our Sanskriti. But we are falling prey to external temptations and

making that to be our reality.

> Humans are all born with natural qualities of love and feelings.

Society conditions us to behave differently. There will be a time

that all those qualities in India will also be lost and we will find

that people are no longer happy as they will catch on to the wind

blown by capitalism. Initially its all for the good of mankind, but

then we some day will start thinking what are we running for and is

this our real aim in life.

> This is a natural cycle, we are all going thru it like everyone

else does.

>

> No one is wrong in this. Not America not India.

> Also, people who say that NRIs are escapists are wrong. Its not

that if we have left our country we have no right to say anything

about it. We should not stay far from reality and have the guts to

say WRONG is WRONG. The fact is that corruption is high in India. It

was not like that in 50s/60s/70s The 80s and 90s saw a big rise in

it. Hopefully as interactions with the West grow we will be able to

see improvement in that area.

> In order to prosper, we need to restore what we have lost and hold

on to what we have.

>

> -chakroo

>

> rageshwari75 <rageshwari75> wrote:

> Dear Mukundji and Dhira Dasji,

>

> +1 a billion times!

>

> People who cribb about corruption in India, especially NRIs, are

> escapists. If they feel so passionately about corruption in India,

> they should stay there and try to help the situation. It is

> meaningless and sheer cowardice to shout about it in such public

> forums, before checking first as to what was your contribution to

> solve the problems.

>

> As far as the level of hunger for money is concerned, it is the

> highest in the western societies. As Mukundji says - America is

built

> on the principles of Capitalism. Remember, until very recently,

> Nehruvian India was still a socialist society. So it is wrong to

say

> that Indian society is the most money-minded society.

>

> However, what is wrong in desiring more wealth? Suriji...what did

you

> leave India for, to live in Australia and Canada, if not to make

more

> money? It is amazing to see hypocrisy of people who adore living in

> capitalistic societies such as North America and Western Europe but

> cannot stand to see Indians in India turning capitalistic.

>

> Those who think India is corrupt and polluted and money-hungry fail

> to understand that it is their oblivion that has brought this great

> country to where it is. They fail to see that it is the lack of

sense

> of moral responsibility of our forefathers that has drove the

country

> here. Yes, that is right! Our forefathers did not do their job

right

> and as a result we are suffering. If we don't make it right,

> generations to come are going to have to suffer.

>

> Now, if you want to change things around here come back to India

and

> be a valuable, productive member of this country. Try helping the

> system here. Be a high-bracket tax payer here (instead of in Canada

> or Australia) so that Indian government can spend your taxes

towards

> infrastructure development. Do innovation here. Innovation not just

> in terms of technology, but also in business, government, and

> society. Nothing is going to change by just criticizing your

homeland

> in front of others.

>

> Present generation Indians must withhold the urge to criticize our

> nation. I know, we all got this disgusting habit from our previous

> generations, who themselves had no clue about their own

> responsibilities as Indians. For this generation Indians - the

choice

> is ours to make. We can either choose to emulate our previous

> generations and just sit around being unproductive Indians and

cribb

> about the non-functional parts of our system OR we can choose to

stay

> focused and work strategically and work good and thereby bring a

> change.

>

> As a sidenote -

>

> Before comparing India with North American or Western European

> countries understand one thing. These societies have enjoyed

freedom

> and democracy for 100s of years unlike India. When we got freedom

56

> years back, we had a huge baggage, leftover from the British and

the

> Muslim rulers, and hostile countries such as Pakistan, China and

> later Bangladesh, to deal with.

>

> For those who keep comparing Indian progress with that of the

> Chinese, understand that latter does not have a cost of democracy

to

> pay for. So obviously, growth is supposed to be faster in China

than

> in India. Which is the better model? Only time can say that. But,

the

> last thing you want to do as an Indian is complain about the

> country's problems in public forums without any action. Just

saying -

> I love India - doesn't cut it.

>

> I am sorry to be politically incorrect in this post.

>

> Suriji, I did not mean to debase you, but rather debase your notion

> of India as a backward, corrupt and money-minded nation.

>

> Narasimhaji, I apologize deeply if you think this post was

> irrelevant. But I could not help myself after reading Suriji's post

> and hence, was compelled to reply.

>

> Namaste.

>

> Rageshwari.

>

> vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

<monmuk111>

> wrote:

> > Mr. Dhira Das:

> >

> > You hit the nail right on the target, happiness is what matters.

> I've

> > been reading this dialouge about the greedy and money-hungry

people

> > of India, the corruption in India, etc. etc.

> >

> > Well, I agree people in India are money-hungry and the

authorities

> > are corrupt. But, who isn't money-hungry. I've never seen more

> money-

> > hungry people than in the United States, this country was founded

> on

> > the principle of pursuit of money.

> >

> > As to corruption, it is directly proportional to the the INNATE

> > wealth of the nation, i.e. oil reserves, precious metal reserves,

> > timber reserves, agricultural output, research and development in

> > various fields. Well, there is NO other country in the world

> besides

> > United States with more INNATE wealth, Australia and Canada may

be

> > distant runner-ups.

> >

> > So, it is natural that there is very little corruption in the US

> and

> > there is so much corruption in India as India's INNATE wealth has

> > already been depleted, first by the marauding savage muslim

rulers,

> > then by the Kings and Queens who transfered their wealth overseas

> and

> > finally by the British (at least the British gave us Education,

> > infrastructure and the British Common Law on which we built our

> > present day India, an India who will soon be a super-power).

> >

> > What really matters is happiness and Mr. Dhira Dasa said it all

in

> > one short note. Despite the money-grabbing tendencies, the

poverty,

> > the corruptions, East Indians are one of the happiest people on

the

> > earth.

> >

> > To those who were critisizing India--When you are driving through

> > miles and miles of shanty-town in Bombay, have you EVER seen

> > persons/people that were unhappy--you see kids playing, women

> > cooking, men at work and life at its most dynamic point in these

> > shanty-towns. Were you ever looted or raped or violently mugged

> while

> > you were amongst the poor people of India???? I or my family

NEVER

> > was.

> >

> > Ya, at the same time if you're travelling through the ghettos in

> > various parts of United States (a country with sucide hot-lines),

> > there is a high probability that you'd be robbed, raped or even

> > killed.

> >

> > At times I regret leaving India and have made elaborate plans to

> > return back which I hope one day will happen.

> >

> > Those of you who are critisizing India and Indians for the lack

of

> > wealth and Income, think twice.

> >

> > Mukund

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Dhira Krsna BCS"

> > <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote:

> > > Whether India is rich or poor doesn't matter. Every country has

> his

> > > richest and poorest citizens living in it. What counts is: does

> the

> > > majority of citizens feel happy? Once they did a survey of all

> > countries

> > > all over the world and guess what, India was one of the top

> > countries

> > > where citizens were HAPPY. I think Thailand or Singapore or one

> of

> > those

> > > countries was first! America was somewhere on the bottom of the

> > list.....

> > >

> > > Yours,

> > > Dhira Krsna dasa,

> > > Jyotisha

> > > http://www.radhadesh.com

>

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