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Namaste Listmembers,

 

There can be no honour in deriding an old man, K.N.Rao being a case in point.

To occupy our minds in the absence of Sanjay et al, here is a chart of male

who was seemingly born old!.

Birth Details are as follows: July 21st 1956, 5.55pm (142E09 34S12) 10hrs

east GMT, Asc 8Cp34

From humble beginings, he has worked tirelessly to become quite a wealthy

man. Unfortunately, he cannot give to others or to himself. This behaviour

brands him as a social pariah and borders on a sickness.

I will comment on the chart later, as I'm off to a party!!.

Warm Regards,

Ann.

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Namaste Listmembers,

Yes, I had a lovely time, thankyou very much.

Good company, beautiful flowers, lots of laughs and cake; and I didn't feel

corrupted at all Sateesh!! :)

 

I am going to need help with this chart as my question is, Why does this man

hoarde his money?. I think there is an insecurity plaguing him and I don't know

where/how to find it.

Firstly I look to placement of AK (Mars) and houses owned (4th and 11th) to

determine his soul urge and areas which will figure prominently in it's

expression.

Lagna lord Saturn sits with Rahu in 11th involved in a nice parivartana with

Mars in 2nd. The native has made his money from buying and selling property and

has also benefited greatly by his business association with his elder brother.

So the money is there, that's fine. But Mars is badhaka, being co-lord of 11th.

Looking to the Lagna and trines for ones nature, we find he has Ketu, Lord of

11th, uncomfortable and alone in 5th, but under Rohini nakshatra. This man does

not gamble, he is very patient and shrewd. Perhaps he is driven to profit?.

12th Lord of expenses or spending, Jupiter, sits in 8th hse aspecting his

tenant Moon by 5th aspect graha drishti. Is this some sort of gayatresi yoga

(sp?)?.

So what does he spend his money on?...business partners?...wife?...mother?.

None of this is obvious, although he has spent on travel.

Maybe I am the one with the hangup? My credo being "You can't take it with you!".

I would be appreciative of any input towards this puzzle.

Warm Regards,

Ann.

 

- Ann Murphy

vedic astrology

Cc: Ann Murphy

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:10 PM

[vedic astrology] Chart of a Miser

Namaste Listmembers,

 

There can be no honour in deriding an old man, K.N.Rao being a case in point.

To occupy our minds in the absence of Sanjay et al, here is a chart of male

who was seemingly born old!.

Birth Details are as follows: July 21st 1956, 5.55pm (142E09 34S12) 10hrs

east GMT, Asc 8Cp34

From humble beginings, he has worked tirelessly to become quite a wealthy

man. Unfortunately, he cannot give to others or to himself. This behaviour

brands him as a social pariah and borders on a sickness.

I will comment on the chart later, as I'm off to a party!!.

Warm Regards,

Ann.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info:

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Hi Dear Ann,

 

Nice to see you. And great that you had such a lovely time tonight ;-)

 

I'm getting a slightly different chart. Don't you have Mercury with Ketu in 5H?

I also have a different Moon though and earlier Asc.. (perhaps due to different

ayanamsha, but why Mercury) Can you give place of birth? I should be in bed, but

this is interesting and am still up checking this. But maybe missing something

obvious in entering birth data.

 

Kind regards,

Patrice

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Namaste Listmembers,

Yes, I had a lovely time, thankyou very much.

Good company, beautiful flowers, lots of laughs and cake; and I didn't feel

corrupted at all Sateesh!! :)

 

I am going to need help with this chart as my question is, Why does this man

hoarde his money?. I think there is an insecurity plaguing him and I don't know

where/how to find it.

Firstly I look to placement of AK (Mars) and houses owned (4th and 11th) to

determine his soul urge and areas which will figure prominently in it's

expression.

Lagna lord Saturn sits with Rahu in 11th involved in a nice parivartana with

Mars in 2nd. The native has made his money from buying and selling property and

has also benefited greatly by his business association with his elder brother.

So the money is there, that's fine. But Mars is badhaka, being co-lord of 11th.

Looking to the Lagna and trines for ones nature, we find he has Ketu, Lord of

11th, uncomfortable and alone in 5th, but under Rohini nakshatra. This man does

not gamble, he is very patient and shrewd. Perhaps he is driven to profit?.

12th Lord of expenses or spending, Jupiter, sits in 8th hse aspecting his

tenant Moon by 5th aspect graha drishti. Is this some sort of gayatresi yoga

(sp?)?.

So what does he spend his money on?...business partners?...wife?...mother?.

None of this is obvious, although he has spent on travel.

Maybe I am the one with the hangup? My credo being "You can't take it with you!".

I would be appreciative of any input towards this puzzle.

Warm Regards,

Ann.

 

- Ann Murphy

vedic astrology

Cc: Ann Murphy

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:10 PM

[vedic astrology] Chart of a Miser

Namaste Listmembers,

 

There can be no honour in deriding an old man, K.N.Rao being a case in point.

To occupy our minds in the absence of Sanjay et al, here is a chart of male

who was seemingly born old!.

Birth Details are as follows: July 21st 1956, 5.55pm (142E09 34S12) 10hrs

east GMT, Asc 8Cp34

From humble beginings, he has worked tirelessly to become quite a wealthy

man. Unfortunately, he cannot give to others or to himself. This behaviour

brands him as a social pariah and borders on a sickness.

I will comment on the chart later, as I'm off to a party!!.

Warm Regards,

Ann.

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Hi Dear Ann,

 

As I sat here bleary eyed waiting for the last email to post, I found the error

in my ways, off a month, June, rather than July.. I will go to bed and sleep,

forgive my error. I look forward to seeing this chart and hearing your thoughts

and those of others on list and checking this chart out tomorrow!

 

Kindest thoughts,

Patrice

_____

Hi Dear Ann,

 

Nice to see you. And great that you had such a lovely time tonight ;-)

 

I'm getting a slightly different chart. Don't you have Mercury with Ketu in 5H?

I also have a different Moon though and earlier Asc.. (perhaps due to different

ayanamsha, but why Mercury) Can you give place of birth? I should be in bed, but

this is interesting and am still up checking this. But maybe missing something

obvious in entering birth data.

 

Kind regards,

Patrice

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Dear Ann,

A couple of things struck me as potentially problematic in his chart regarding

his attitude to money. His benefics are all in trouble and his 4th and 5th

houses have their own problems, but I'll start with some things I noticed about

his lagna lord, Saturn. It is in the badhaka houuse for this chart and it is in

a parivartana, as you said, with Mars, between the 2nd and 11th houses. But

for Cap. lagna Mars is badhakesh and it is his AK, so a "teaching" planet and

since these are 2 houses of income and the 2nd is about what you have in the

bank, it might make him rather obsessed about that and being badhakesh bring up

troubles regarding this (or his attitude about it since Mars is also his 4th

lord). Also, Rahu is what tends to bring up fears in our lives and it is

debilitated and with his lagna lord in Scorpio, the badhaka house, and in a

nakshatra ruled by Saturn, lagna lord. And if

you want to bring nakshatras into it, Saturn and Mars are both in Jupiter ruled

nakshatras and Jupiter is not a benefic for Capricorn lagnas and it is placed

in the 8th house - a fairly negative placement for Jupiter unless he is a

researcher or very into spiritual/occult matters, which it does not sound like

he is.

Also, his Moon is in the 12th with its dispositor in the 8th, so that can't make

for a comforatable mind and it is in a Venus ruled nakshatra and Venus is in the

6th (and stays in the 6th even with Sri Pati) and is extremely rashi sandhi and

in a nakshatra ruled by his AK and badhakesh Mars. The Moon also goes to Virgo

in the navamsa and receives graha dristi from Mars, Saturn and the 12th house

dristi of Rahu. It is with exalted Mercury, but for Pisces lagna, Mercury is

badhakesh and its in Marana karaka sthana and this Mercury may also bring out

more strongly the side of Virgo which can tend towards thriftiness and ultra

perfection.

In looking at the 4th and 5th houses of the mind - his 4th lord, Mars, is AK and

Badhakesh, as mentioned above and it is in the 2nd house, so showing his concern

with his bank balance. The 5th house has debilitated Ketu in it and that is

co-lord of his badhaka house and its dispositor is Venus, which, as also

mentioned is in the 6th and very rashi sandhi. The 5th house gets graha dristi

from Saturn and Rahu and his 4th gets rasi dristi from them.

In the navamsa his 4th house has Mars and Jupiter in Gemini and his 5th, Cancer,

has Saturn, so malefics in both of those houses.

In his rasi Jupiter, Venus and the Moon are all in dustanas and his Mercury is

in Marana Karaka Sthana and quite combust the Sun in Cancer. So, all the

benefics which might bring him comfort are in difficult places and his 4th and

5th houses have "issues" and his lagna lord has problems too (especially being

with debilitated Rahu). I think that this all makes the gentleman

understandably anxious and concerned about not losing what good (money) he

perceives to have in life. If he was able to be interested in spiritual things

with that 8th and 12th house, his life would probably be a lot easier. He's also

been running Mars and Rahu maha dasas most of his adult life, so given the

issues with Mars being AK, Badhaka and in the 2nd and Rahu debilitated in the

11th, it seems clear he'd be really concerned with money (and Rahu maha under

the best of circumstances is never described as a picnic time!). His Dasamsa

is intense and shows his ability to

work hard, so, yes, he's able to make money, just not able to really enjoy it -

but that 12th house moon does show he enjoys traveling which you mentioned he

does indeed do, so I am glad he has that at least. Maybe when he hits Jupiter

maha dasa in 2010 he'll turn more to tending his spiritual life. Oh, and his DK

is Venus with all its problems (especially being in the 6th in rasi and in the

8th in navamsa) and his 7th has fairly low SAV points, so I think you are right

that he probably is not spending secretly and lavishly on his wife or even a

girlfriend.

Am sure other people and the Gurus will be able to correct anything I've said

and give a better understanding, but just wanted to toss out some thoughts on

it. You were right - good to get alternate discussions going and am glad you

enjoyed the party!

Warm regards,

Laurie

 

 

I

Ann Murphy <evie (AT) ruralnet (DOT) net.au> wrote:

Namaste Listmembers,

Yes, I had a lovely time, thankyou very much.

Good company, beautiful flowers, lots of laughs and cake; and I didn't feel

corrupted at all Sateesh!! :)

 

I am going to need help with this chart as my question is, Why does this man

hoarde his money?. I think there is an insecurity plaguing him and I don't know

where/how to find it.

Firstly I look to placement of AK (Mars) and houses owned (4th and 11th) to

determine his soul urge and areas which will figure prominently in it's

expression.

Lagna lord Saturn sits with Rahu in 11th involved in a nice parivartana with

Mars in 2nd. The native has made his money from buying and selling property and

has also benefited greatly by his business association with his elder brother.

So the money is there, that's fine. But Mars is badhaka, being co-lord of 11th.

Looking to the Lagna and trines for ones nature, we find he has Ketu, Lord of

11th, uncomfortable and alone in 5th, but under Rohini nakshatra. This man does

not gamble, he is very patient and shrewd. Perhaps he is driven to profit?.

12th Lord of expenses or spending, Jupiter, sits in 8th hse aspecting his

tenant Moon by 5th aspect graha drishti. Is this some sort of gayatresi yoga

(sp?)?.

So what does he spend his money on?...business partners?...wife?...mother?.

None of this is obvious, although he has spent on travel.

Maybe I am the one with the hangup? My credo being "You can't take it with you!".

I would be appreciative of any input towards this puzzle.

Warm Regards,

Ann.

 

- Ann Murphy

vedic astrology

Cc: Ann Murphy

Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:10 PM

[vedic astrology] Chart of a Miser

Namaste Listmembers,

 

There can be no honour in deriding an old man, K.N.Rao being a case in point.

To occupy our minds in the absence of Sanjay et al, here is a chart of male

who was seemingly born old!.

Birth Details are as follows: July 21st 1956, 5.55pm (142E09 34S12) 10hrs

east GMT, Asc 8Cp34

From humble beginings, he has worked tirelessly to become quite a wealthy

man. Unfortunately, he cannot give to others or to himself. This behaviour

brands him as a social pariah and borders on a sickness.

I will comment on the chart later, as I'm off to a party!!.

Warm Regards,

Ann.Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info:

vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank

mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light

shine on us .......

Archives:

vedic astrologyGroup info:

vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank

mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light

shine on us .......

 

 

 

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