Astrology is rubbish, says new research ---> 4 Narasimha !!!

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha,

 

As many others I also have much respect for you as both a human being,

programmer and a Jyotish scholar in particular.

I suggest that you invest a few minutes of your time and REACT to this article

DIRECTLY TO THE SOURCE i.e. "Journal of Consciousness Studies" with the BASICS

of Vedic astrology in those matters.

 

There is hardly anyone better suited for this task than you!

 

Kind regards

Jay Weiss

 

-

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

vedic astrology

Monday, August 18, 2003 7:47 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Astrology is rubbish, says new research

Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

 

The following is from Telegraph India, covering the same news item:

 

For several decades, researchers tracked more than 2,000 people — most of them

born within minutes of each other. According to astrology, the subject should

have had very similar traits.

 

The babies were originally recruited as part of a medical study begun in London

in 1958 into how the circumstances of birth can affect future health. More than

2,000 babies born in early March that year were registered and their development

monitored at regular intervals.

 

Researchers looked at more than 100 different characteristics, including

occupation, anxiety levels, marital status, aggressiveness, sociability, IQ

levels and ability in art, sport, mathematics and reading — all of which

astrologers claim can be gauged from birth charts.

 

The scientists failed to find any evidence of similarities between the “time

twins”, however. They reported in the current issue of the Journal of

Consciousness Studies: “The test conditions could hardly have been more

conducive to success… but the results are uniformly negative.”

 

The original claim itself ("According to astrology, the subject should have had

very similar traits") is untrue, if one were to follow Vedic astrology as

taught by Parasara. Clearly, those who conducted this research did not know

about Indian astrology, divisional charts etc. If D-16, D-27 and D-60 lagna

change, anxiety levels, aggressiveness etc will change. If D-9, D-27 and D-60

lagnas change, sociability etc will change. If D-20, D-24, D-27 and D-60 lagnas

change, IQ will change. Moreover, out of the things listed, only IQ is

objectively defined. Others are quite subjective. I don't know how they were

quantified. With due respect to the scientists involved, it is easy to induce

biases in a statistical study dealing essentially with subjective concepts.

 

Jagmeetji, I don't really think this research is a wake-up call to us. If at

all, it is a wake-up call to those who think that rasi chart is all you need.

Rasi chart is the window through which all divisional charts express at the

physical level. But it is not enough to make predictions. The study enhances

this belief that many of us had had for a long time.

 

There is so much statistical research done on matters relating to health,

socialogy, psychology etc, which is quite unreliable. You see scientists

conducting one statistical study telling you onething one day and another group

telling you the opposite after 3 years. All these statistical studies have an

inherent weakness, however intelligently the control group is selected.

 

If 1% of the money spent on various statistical studies by scientists in the

world is spent on Vedic astrology research, we will have a very reliable and

thorough subject for public use. In my years of experience with Vedic

astrology, I have definitely seen its worth. But, to convert it into a reliable

subject, we need a lot of research (on the basis of the teachings of sages).

This genuine work is now done by hobbyists who have full-time jobs and active

family lives. People like me struggle with the little time left in their lives

and try to do something meaningful. If only the governments and educational

institutions support us...

May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma" <boxdel>

wrote:> Dear Jagmeet,> Unless the methodology used is understood, the article

must stand as opinion> of one who has not understood astrology at all. The

system of astrology> tested is also not mentioned. So any comment would and

must remain a> conjecture.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> -----Original

Message-----> jagmeet s dheendsa [jsdheendsa@j...]> Sent:

Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:09 PM> vedic astrology>

[vedic astrology] Astrology is rubbish, says new research> > > Dear

friends,> Please check out the following where an article from Journal of>

Consciousness Studies is quoted.> Regards,> Jagmeet> P.S.Do we consider

this a wake up call?> >

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=1345>

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[Guest guest]

I second Mr Jay to request Narasimha Jee to react about the article. I am sorry

if I hurt anyone's feelings but that rubbish named 'Western astrology' is what

giving bad name to Astrology/Vedic Astrology. On the other hand it is also

unfortunate to see some strange, "one page astrology rules" are going fine as

new/successful method of astrology and that is also being called 'Vedic

Astrology' and creating a huge team of supporters/practitioners. People are

beaing cheated and losing faith on the pure Vedic Astrology. Now I think of

some ideas to make money and call it 'Vedic Astrology' and start selling

expensive products claiming they give all round happiness and make the world

heaven for the people whoever use them.

 

World is really getting better day by day... people asleep doing research on

consciousness, talking about things they know 'zero' about.

 

Few months ago I had met some people who say western astrology is more

scientific (Really?) than Vedic that is why I was forced by myself to write

something on this -

 

http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro/indianastro.htm

 

Hon'ble members who like Western Astrology please do not read it since it might

offend them to hear the bitter truth.

 

Regards,

Tanvir

 

 

 

What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir

Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro

 

 

-

J. Weiss

vedic astrology

Monday, August 18, 2003 12:16 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Astrology is rubbish, says new research ---> 4 Narasimha !!!

Dear Narasimha,

 

As many others I also have much respect for you as both a human being,

programmer and a Jyotish scholar in particular.

I suggest that you invest a few minutes of your time and REACT to this article

DIRECTLY TO THE SOURCE i.e. "Journal of Consciousness Studies" with the BASICS

of Vedic astrology in those matters.

 

There is hardly anyone better suited for this task than you!

 

Kind regards

Jay Weiss

 

-

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

vedic astrology

Monday, August 18, 2003 7:47 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Astrology is rubbish, says new research

Dear Chandrashekhar ji,

 

The following is from Telegraph India, covering the same news item:

 

For several decades, researchers tracked more than 2,000 people — most of

them born within minutes of each other. According to astrology, the subject

should have had very similar traits.

 

The babies were originally recruited as part of a medical study begun in London

in 1958 into how the circumstances of birth can affect future health. More than

2,000 babies born in early March that year were registered and their development

monitored at regular intervals.

 

Researchers looked at more than 100 different characteristics, including

occupation, anxiety levels, marital status, aggressiveness, sociability, IQ

levels and ability in art, sport, mathematics and reading — all of which

astrologers claim can be gauged from birth charts.

 

The scientists failed to find any evidence of similarities between the

“time twins”, however. They reported in the current issue of the

Journal of Consciousness Studies: “The test conditions could hardly have

been more conducive to success… but the results are uniformly

negative.”

 

The original claim itself ("According to astrology, the subject should have had

very similar traits") is untrue, if one were to follow Vedic astrology as

taught by Parasara. Clearly, those who conducted this research did not know

about Indian astrology, divisional charts etc. If D-16, D-27 and D-60 lagna

change, anxiety levels, aggressiveness etc will change. If D-9, D-27 and D-60

lagnas change, sociability etc will change. If D-20, D-24, D-27 and D-60 lagnas

change, IQ will change. Moreover, out of the things listed, only IQ is

objectively defined. Others are quite subjective. I don't know how they were

quantified. With due respect to the scientists involved, it is easy to induce

biases in a statistical study dealing essentially with subjective concepts.

 

Jagmeetji, I don't really think this research is a wake-up call to us. If at

all, it is a wake-up call to those who think that rasi chart is all you need.

Rasi chart is the window through which all divisional charts express at the

physical level. But it is not enough to make predictions. The study enhances

this belief that many of us had had for a long time.

 

There is so much statistical research done on matters relating to health,

socialogy, psychology etc, which is quite unreliable. You see scientists

conducting one statistical study telling you onething one day and another group

telling you the opposite after 3 years. All these statistical studies have an

inherent weakness, however intelligently the control group is selected.

 

If 1% of the money spent on various statistical studies by scientists in the

world is spent on Vedic astrology research, we will have a very reliable and

thorough subject for public use. In my years of experience with Vedic

astrology, I have definitely seen its worth. But, to convert it into a reliable

subject, we need a lot of research (on the basis of the teachings of sages).

This genuine work is now done by hobbyists who have full-time jobs and active

family lives. People like me struggle with the little time left in their lives

and try to do something meaningful. If only the governments and educational

institutions support us...

May Jupiter's light shine on us,Narasimha

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma" <boxdel>

wrote:> Dear Jagmeet,> Unless the methodology used is understood, the article

must stand as opinion> of one who has not understood astrology at all. The

system of astrology> tested is also not mentioned. So any comment would and

must remain a> conjecture.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> -----Original

Message-----> jagmeet s dheendsa [jsdheendsa@j...]> Sent:

Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:09 PM> vedic astrology>

[vedic astrology] Astrology is rubbish, says new research> > > Dear

friends,> Please check out the following where an article from Journal of>

Consciousness Studies is quoted.> Regards,> Jagmeet> P.S.Do we consider

this a wake up call?> >

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=1345>

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