RE: Wedding time (to Chandrashakhar ji)

July 14, 2003

Dear Narasimha Raoji,

I was certain that you will agree and also knew that you must have only missed

the significance through oversight. As you say it is Digbala and there are two

ways in which they are interpreted. One is the ancient way when it is said that

a planet strong in digbala takes one in his direction during his Dashas. Other

is the modern way which interpretes it by relating it to Dharma Artha Kama

Moksha ladder for final emancipation. Personally I think the prior one is more

useful in interpretation, but then I am not a Modern Day Jyotishi.

I can however hazard a gues at why sanjayji looks at it in this way and the

reason of their getting strength in those houses. For each of the 4 Trikonas,

the Apex (Or relative Lagna ) is formed by the respective Square. Being Lagna

it embodies bothe Square and triangle and the respective planet being posited

there aspects the trines by Tripad drishti.So the logic could have substance in

its favour.

Another Logic could be that Moon and Venus are placed in midnight position as

they are best visible at that time and in strength(Visual sighting was of

importance in ancient days). Sun obviously as he is overhead when in 10th(He

also does not affect Gurubala when in Capricorn) and Mars being exalted there

in Naisargic Chart. Saturn obviously as he is exalted in 7th house in

naisargika horo andat that time Sun sets and saturn becomes powerful.Jupiter

and Mercury in 1st because representing Buddhi and Dharma they are in

Navapanchama with Buddhi and dharma sthana.Another reason could be that Mercury

being the son, he could be strong in square from the position of strength of

Mother represented by Moon i.e. 4th and father represented by Sun ie. 10th in

visible half.

Of cou8rse these are my views from an earlier generation.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

[pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net]Tuesday, July 15, 2003 12:47 AMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Wedding time (to

Chandrashakhar ji)

Dear Chandradhakhar ji,

You are right. I was thinking mainly of Kala bala of Shadbala. It did not occur

to me that Digbala of a planet essentially shows the time of the day when a

planet is strong. As per digbala, Sun and Mars are strong at noon, Mercury and

Jupiter at sunrise, Moon and Venus at midnight and Saturn at sunset. That's a

good way of interpreting digbala.

However, this particular strength is called digbala and not kaala bala. So some

astrologers interpret it using dharma, artha, kaama and moksha as the four

dik's (directions) in life. Sun and Mars attaining full digbala in 10th is

interpreted as Sun and Mars being planets of the artha trikona. This is atleast

the interpretation I heard from Sanjay ji in the past. He said that Mercury and

Jupiter are planets of the dharma trikona and so on.

However, something is amiss with Sanjay ji's interpretation. If artha trikona is

the key, why do Sun and Mars attain full digbala only in the 10th house and not

in the 2nd and 6th houses too? Why do Mercury and Jupiter attain full digbala

in 1st only and not in 5th/9th too?

The interpretation of digbalas given by Sanjay ji in the past is possibly

incomplete. I think you have a very good point. Probably digbala is an

extension of kaala bala and the two go hand in hand.

Anyway, these are my thoughts for now. If Sanjay ji has any further light on

digbala and kaala bala, I'd be grateful if he speaks out!

May Jupiter's light shine on us,

Narasimha

> Dear Narasimha Raoji,> I too agree that Mid-day muhurta if other things are

not favourable might not have importance by itself. At the same time, whereas

you said that this strength of Sun does not find mention in Shadbalas etc,

would not Sun aquire Digbala at Midday?> I am certain you will pardon my query

if I am wrong.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> - >

Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > vedic astrology > Sent:

Saturday, July 12, 2003 9:01 PM> [vedic astrology] Wedding time (Re:

Marriage compatibility)> > > Pranaam Sanjay,> > I just want to add

another perspective.> > Yes, Sun is strong around noon. In the morning

time, he represents Brahma (Brahmaswaroopa Udaye). In the noon, he represents

Shiva (madhyaahne tu maheswarah). In the evening, he represents Vishnu

(saayamkaale swayam vishnuh). If Sun showing dharma takes the form of Shiva,

the lord of Union, it is a good time for wedding.> > However, how can this

be such an important factor that other strengths do not matter? This particular

strength of Sun does not even find representation in kaala bala, shadbalas,

vimsopaka bala etc. Thus, this can only be a small factor at best.> > In

Andhra Pradesh state of India, we don't care if it is midday or morning or

evening or night. We choose muhurta at any time as long as the muhurta chart is

strong and lagna is strong. I know a lot of people who got married in the night

time with a good muhurta chart and are leading very dharmik marital lives.>

> Based on experience, I will have to reject any notion that the time of

marriage (midday or not) is a key factor in deciding the length of marriage or

dharma followed in marriage. That is at best a minor influence. The rising sign

at the time of marriage and planetary placements with respect to it are the

key.> > Hora lord and yoga lord at the time of marriage are also key. If

they are placed in a quadrant or a trine in the muhurta chart and are

functional benefics in the natal charts of the natives, that is very

auspicious.> > If one ignores all these factors and chooses a muhurta at noon

or forenoon, in the hora of his natal 6th lord and with lagna lord and 7th lord

placed in marana karaka sthanas, do you think the marriage will serve its

purpose?> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> Narasimha> > >

|brihaspatim varenyam|> > Dear Jagmeet> > The first date is very good. I

like midday. Remember the lesson on Marriage and DHARMA. For the sikhs, dharma

is defined by Jupiter (Guru). So keep Guru strong.> > Sorry for this delayed

response as I was and am still writing those papers. > > did you notice the

rasi sastastaka between the couple? Since this is second marriage for girl, the

negatives are not as much. > > 17th July is not as good as Moon conjoins Mars.

This is not a good day for starting work associated with things so opposed to

Mars.> > Others notice - Jupiter is lagnesh in lagna and 7th & 2nd house are

associated - 2 marriages seems to have worked (girl chart).> > And finally,

Sikhs are not the only community who prefer that auspicious midday. The

Brahmins of Puri/Bhubaneswar will only marry when the Sun (karaka for the

Gayatri mantra defining our dharma) is strong and choose a time between 10 AM-2

PM. I happened to be the only fool who defied this rule saying that it was *not

quoted* and chose a time in the late afternoon/evening purely based on

convenience and this time was also not adhered to by the arya samaj which does

not believe in this... I now realise that there is more knowledge in those

simple age old customs than what seems apparant. So Jagmeet, follow the old

system and realise that Guru is strongest from Brahma Muhurta to Midday..and

encourage the Sikhs to marry in that time.> > ~ om tat sat ~> > Yours

truly,> > Sanjay Rath> >

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Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India> > +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com> >

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July 17, 2003

Dear Sanjayji,

I think you have taken my trying to interprete why you gave importance to Midday

Sun, in a slightly different way. I did not mean to question your rules, but

only was trying to find logic behind it.I do not consider you as a Modern

Jyotishi but one following the ancient system. When I said modern, I meant

interpretatin forwarded nowadays, and if you read my mail carefully, I have not

said that they are right or wrong.I have only indicated my opinion about the

usefulness of digbala with a particular set of options

Yes in one respect I was wrong about the midnight sighting of Venus. I think it

was evening sighting( but do not remember for certain) as in Maharashtra

husband used to show Venus to wife as part of marriage rituals, and as this

custom was prevalent when I was a child, the Muhurtas used to be,then, usually

Goraj muhurtas.So it must have been near sunset time.

About direction in which the graha in Digbala takes one, this is precisely the

interpretation given by Pt. Gopeshkumar Oza in his Commentary on Jataka

Paarijat. About Ayana bala he says tha Ayanabali Graha gives various types of

wealth in his dasha and if the planet is neither combust nor debilitated, gives

the native fame.

Again Kalyanvarman in his Saaraavali Adhyaya 5 shloka 36 says the same as

above.Both the classics being based on ancient texts and considered standard

texts, I have called them Ancient way. If my interpretation of the shlokas or

commentary are wrong, kindly correct me.

In most of the old classics, at least to my very limited knowledge, though

Dharma, Artha, Kama and Artha trikonas find mention in various contexts, much

detailed interpretation of thes does not appear. This is the only reason that I

ascribed the term Modern while reffering to their interpretations. If you

remember, in one of my own mails I had given my own interpretation of these

trikonas and also the reason that they appear counterclockwise in a horoscope.

I do not dispute to Lagna kendra being ascribed the status of Vishnu by the

venerated Parashara, but was pointing to the fact(with out saying so

specifically but definitely by inference) that Trine being the abode of Laxmi

their paraspara sambandha gives rise to yoga.

I could have given the details of locations of Shree Shakti, Bhoo Shakti and

Neela Shakti and interpretation of "Vasudevashcaturtho" and the reason of

Sankarshana, Prdumna and Anirudha, but it would have been my interpretation and

unnecessary lengthy debate would have ensued.

It is definitely my understanding that Lagna is both a Square and a Trine, or am I wrong?

About Mercury getting Digbala in Ascendant I have also given other possible

logic and not only of Dharma and Buddhi combining in Ascendant.

I have only tried to find logic behind the digbala given to Planets by sages,

and, not being one myself, cannot find a single criteria to explain their being

alloted digbala in certain places.For any single criteria that could be chosen,

there would be other parameters of strengths (Bala) which could be advanced to

show the planets loosing their bala in the houses where they are alloted

digbala.The sages had powers of divinations and gave us the parameters and we

can only try to find out the logic behind what has been given to us while

accepting it.

Sanjayji, if you think that I have made any comment in bad taste, kindly correct

me. I think at least you must be aware that I never intend to either question

anyone's knowledge or motives. My only failing is that if I believe in

something, I state my logic beihind that belief.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Sanjay Rath [daivagyna (AT) sify (DOT) com]Sent:

Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:40 PMvedic astrologySubject: RE:

[vedic astrology] Re: Wedding time (to Chandrashakhar ji)

Dear Chandrasekharji

comments below

~ om tat sat ~

Yours truly,

Sanjay Rath

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Chandrashekhar Sharma

[boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:59 AMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Wedding time

(to Chandrashakhar ji)

Dear Narasimha Raoji,

I was certain that you will agree and also knew that you must have only missed

the significance through oversight. As you say it is Digbala and there are two

ways in which they are interpreted. One is the ancient way when it is said that

a planet strong in digbala takes one in his direction during his Dashas.

[s.Rath:] What is this ancient way that it takes a person in its direction. Is

this the physical direction or the ayana?? Let us say Jupiter has digbala in my

chart. Would you interpret this as I would go to the north eastern direction for

my life , like say Assam or Calcutta during Jupiter dasa?

Other is the modern way which interpretes it by relating it to Dharma Artha

Kama Moksha ladder for final emancipation. Personally I think the prior one is

more useful in interpretation, but then I am not a Modern Day

Jyotishi.[s.Rath:] Dharma artha kama & moksha are modern day interpretations!

Are you suggesting that these words have been coined by me or this notion of

the four kendra showing the dharma, artha, kama and moksha is my idea? Thank

you for this but I do not deserve this honor. I am not Parasara but his

servant.

I can however hazard a gues at why sanjayji looks at it in this way and the

reason of their getting strength in those houses. For each of the 4 Trikonas,

the Apex (Or relative Lagna ) is formed by the respective Square. Being Lagna

it embodies both Square and triangle and the respective planet being posited

there aspects the trines by Tripad drishti.So the logic could have substance in

its favour.[s.Rath:] No. Parasara calls the Kendra the Vishnu sthana, and that

too not without reason as the Lord is the objective of all souls..He is the

ayana for all atma.

Another Logic could be that Moon and Venus are placed in midnight position as

they are best visible at that time and in strength(Visual sighting was of

importance in ancient days). [s.Rath:] No visual sighting of Venus as the

Morning star was its position of strength and when Venus was visible in the

morning, then going to war brought favor. Secondly, In what way is the visual

sighting of Venus possible in the midnight?? Can you indicate one date in the

next hundred years when Venus can be visible at midnight. so Visible sighting

is not the condition. What then??

Sun obviously as he is overhead when in 10th(He also does not affect Gurubala

when in Capricorn) and Mars being exalted there in Naisargic Chart. [s.Rath:]

For each thing you cannot apply a new condition - Venus & Moon sighting at

night (actually Venus cannot be seen at midnight as it cannot go that far from

the Sun). Now you say Sun is most visible at midday but then stretch it to

another rule about Mars getting exalted in 10th house of natural zodiac. Why

then whould we not use the Sun in exaltation in 1st house of zodiac and give it

digbala in the morning!!

Saturn obviously as he is exalted in 7th house in naisargika horo andat that

time [s.Rath:] Saturn & Mars get digbala based on exaltation, Sun & Moon based

on luminosity & Jupiter etc ???

Sun sets and saturn becomes powerful.Jupiter and Mercury in 1st because

representing Buddhi and Dharma they are in Navapanchama with Buddhi and dharma

sthana.Another reason could be that Mercury being the son, he could be strong

in square from the position of strength of Mother represented by Moon i.e. 4th

and father represented by Sun ie. 10th in visible half.[s.Rath:] I cannot

believe it - yet another rule!!! Mercury is buddhi and Juptier is dharma, so

they get digbala in 1st house.

Of cou8rse these are my views from an earlier generation.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.[s.Rath:] Please consider again. try to use ONE CRITERIA for all graha.