arudha padas-senses-dear chandrashekhar

July 3, 2003

Om Namah Shivaya

Dear Chandrashekharji

The article that i had pasted is a very recent one and the one you

are talking about is a very old article. We are all in the learning

curve and one who realises this grows.

True learning can happen, if we can give up fixed notions and

opinions. I had too many rigid ideas, and i totally dismissed the

concept of arudhas last year in this list. But slowly i began to

understand them and accept them. The word perception has been very

loosely used and now with the article that i have copied is clearly

demonstrating the fact that Arudhas are not mere perception. they are

the facts and the Ones that we can see , feel, touch, and hear etc.

Many of the yogics and siddhas state that we can reach nirvana only

by suspending the senses. This world is percieved through our five

senses and thus all our experiences and beliefs are formed due to

these sensory perceptions.

What if a person is born blind, and is also deaf, Can he see or hear

things. Just imagine this scenario. The reality for him is different.

For everyone in this world the reality is different, because of his

own precognition and pre concieved notions, based on sensory

expreriences. For one who wants to attain God, needs to rise above

these sensory perceptions that are only explained by arudha padas.

Jaimini Maharshi is a genius whose work we must appreciate otherwise

we can never explain many of the concepts.

What we see is what we get, and what we hear is what we believe.

Suspension of these sensory perceptions(arudhas), will lead us to

Narayana.

regards

partha

om tat sat

vedic astrology, Chandrashekhar Sharma

<boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Partha,

> An admirable habit. However Narasimharaoji has also given an

example of

> a person having a lowly vehicle and other's perceiving him to be

> unhappy, when he was not and another of one owning 3 vehicles and

other

> perceiving him having sukha of vahanas when again he did not

experience

> such sukha. These are on the article on Padas available on

Varahamihira

> list. You might like to read it and let me know your opinion.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> V.Partha sarathy wrote:

>

> > Om Namah SHivaya

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> >

> > I have a habit of saving all important messages by the various

gurus

> > and learned members. I have around 50 MB material just by this

work

> > (mercury in dhanu lagna at work). I am pasting the old message for

> > your perusal

> >

> > regards

> > partha

> > om tat sat

> >

> > """"""-

> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > vedic astrology

> > Friday, February 07, 2003 6:23 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha

> >

> > Dear Imran,

> >

> > > Respected Gurus and Dear Members,

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The concept of Arudha of different houses beautifully eloborates

> > the difference between reality(Satya) and perception(Maya). Sage

> > Jaimini has described some golden rules how to treat and tackle

these

> > Arudha-Pada. AL (Arudh lagna) and A12(Upapada) hold specific

> > posiotion among heirarchy of arudhas.

> > >

> > > I am not much aware, how to read these arudhas collectively,

thus

> > require guidance regarding association, aspect, dasa and

vorgottama

> > of Arudhas.

> > >

> > > Some time, a cluster of Padas is seen in a chart. For example in

> > case of Tagore, where AL, UL, A5 and A7 fall in Scorpio (9th from

> > lagna). How can these shoud be read?

> > >

> > > Similarly conjunction of A9 and A10 (H.P.Blavatsky) is to be

> > assumed as "mirror image" of conjunction of 9th and 10th lords,

> > Karama-Dharama Yoga. This holds any sence or not?

> > >

> > > Similarly different Arudhas either consider with respect of

lagna

> > position or only read from position of AL? e.g. in chart of Dalai

> > Lama, where A9 (with A2) fall in 9th from AL and 12th from lagna.

> > >

> > > Either these Arudhas can comes under association(sambndha) with

the

> > help of rashi aspect?

> > >

> > > In case Rashi dasa, either AL can be taken instead of lagan? or

its

> > not logical? Because sometimes transit from AL, yields

satisfactory

> > results at a certain level.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Imran

> >

> > You are on the right track and Visti has nicely addressed the

points

> > in your wonderful mail. I will add a couple of points.

> >

> > (1) Arudhas are the _tangible_ things rising from the

activity/things

> > shown by the houses. My communication skills are not a "tangible

> > thing", but this mail is a tangible thing that rises out of my

> > communication skills. Accordingly, the 3rd house shows my

> > communication skills (intangible) and A3 shows this mail

(tangible).

> >

> > Even though we dismiss arudhas as "maya" (illusion), they are the

> > only tangible things - the only reality - in this material world!

> > They are very important.

> >

> > (2) If somebody has AL and A9 (or A10 and A9 etc) together in D-

10,

> > be sure that the Narayana dasa of the sign containing them will be

> > great.

> >

> > (3) Houses from arudha lagna can certainly be seen. However, note

> > that the rules of the world of satya (truth) are different from

the

> > rules of the world of maya (illusion).

> >

> > For example, the 7th house from lagna shows one's interactions.

It is

> > the intermediate house in kama trikona. The seed house of kama

> > trikona (3rd) shows the initiative (seed of desire) and the

> > intermediate house (7th) shows interactions etc (shaping of desire

> > and working on the desire) and the culmination house (11th) shows

the

> > final gains (result of desire). Similarly, the 9th house shows

> > dharma - it is culmination point of dharma trikona. While the seed

> > house of lagna shows the self (seed of duty) and the intermediate

> > house of 5th shows abilities etc (shaping of duty), the

culmination

> > house of 9th shows the final dharma (the overall duty).

> >

> > The same concepts, same trikonas etc apply in the world of maya,

but

> > the meanings are different. In the world of truth, shaping of

desire

> > and working on the desires happens through interactions and

finally

> > leads to gains (11th), which can be friendships too. But the

world of

> > maya is a world of selfishness and domination. In the world of

maya,

> > shaping of desire and working on the desire happens only thru

> > domination and the results are only material gains. So the 7th

from

> > arudha lagna shows the opposition to one's image and domination.

The

> > 9th from lagna shows the dharma - which can include religiousness,

> > righteousness etc. But the image has only one dharma (duty) -

protect

> > itself. So the 9th from arudha lagna is strictly about protecting

the

> > status and image.

> >

> > The basic axioms of what a house means (based on which trikona it

> > belongs to and whether it is the seed house, intermediate house or

> > the culmination house of that trikona) is constant for all

> > references. But building the meaning further based on the axioms

> > requires an understanding of the two worlds - world of satya and

> > world of maya.

> >

> > I spoke on this at the recent "Achyuta Jyotish Workshop" and the

CD

> > will be available for buying online in a day or two at most.

> >

> > (4) Not only can you use arudha lagna in Narayana dasa

> > interpretation, but there is a variation of Narayana dasa that is

> > computed from arudha lagna. Padanadamsa dasa shows the changing

> > impact of one's poorvapunya (past dharma and the resulting luck)

on

> > one's material status/image. Read the book "Narayana Dasa" by Pt.

> > Sanjay Rath.

> >

> > (5) Not only can you use arudha lagna in dasa interpretation, but

you

> > can use it in transit interpretation too! In addition to transits

> > from natal lagna and natal Moon, look at transits from natal

arudha

> > lagna!

> >

> > However, again, different rules may apply in the case of arudha

> > lagna. When Jupiter transits the 9th house of dharma from Moon or

> > lagna, he gives very good results. After Jupiter loves dharma.

> > However, when he transits the 9th house from arudha lagna, the

wise

> > teacher of gods will not be excited to uphold the rules of the

world

> > of maya and protect the illusion. He sees it as a shallow dharma

> > (duty). Instead of protecting, he will destroy it! So there will

be

> > material setbacks and the illusion is broken. However, if Jupiter

has

> > a role to play in the 9th from arudha lagna in natal chart also,

the

> > negative results may be mitigated.

> >

> > Bottomline is: arudha lagna and lagna show two totally different

> > worlds with their own rules of existence. Unless one understands

and

> > appreciates this, one cannot master the use of arudha lagna. Try

to

> > give it some thought.

> >

> > Overall, Imran, you are on the right track. Good luck with your

> > arudha pada studies!

> >

> > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > Narasimha"""""""

> > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma"

> > <boxdel> wrote:

> > > Dear Partha,

> > > Are you certain,? I remember Sanjayji saying what I indicated

(About

> > pada

> > > being perception). And here is what narasimharaoji says

verbatim "

> > > Use of arudha lagna

> > > Lagna is satya peetha or the seat of truth. Arudha lagna is maya

> > peetha or

> > > the seat of

> > > illusion. Both stand for self, but they stand for different

shades

> > of self.

> > > Lagna stands for

> > > true self and arudha lagna stands for perceived self. Arudha

lagna

> > stands

> > > for "self, as

> > > peceived by this maya world".

> > > Perhaps Narasimharaoji and Sanjayji would like to comment.

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > ----

> > >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:41:07 AM

> > > vedic astrology

> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Upapada when the spouse -dear Anu

> > >

> > > Om namah shivaya

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Hari

> > >

> > > Padas are the only reality, the tangibles in this world of Maya.

> > This

> > > was clarified by Narasimha in his earlier messages.

> > > regards

> > > partha

> > > om tat sat

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma"

> > > <boxdel> wrote:

> > > > Dear Hari,

> > > > If we accept the premise that the Padas are perception of what

> > > people think

> > > > about one, this is the only logical inference.

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > ----

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > Tuesday, July 01, 2003 08:10:49 AM

> > > > vedic astrology

> > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Upapada when the spouse -dear

Anu

> > > >

> > > > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---

> > > > Dear Chandrasekhar and Partha,

> > > >

> > > > My thinking is that the UL has nothing to do with the

> > consummation

> > > > or non-consummation of the marriage. Is it correct?

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > Hari

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July 3, 2003

---Om Brihaspataye Namah---

Dear Partha,

If the world we are living in is Maya, then everything can be

analysed according to the arudha padas, is it not? of what use, is

the basic analysis of the jataka?

FYI, Ivanisevic did win Wimbledon (as an unseeded player)! About

Jana Novotna, I dont know....

regards

Hari

July 4, 2003

Dear Partha,

No doubt we should go on evolving, as a matter of fact this list serves

the very purpose. Having said that and while appreciating, rather

revering the work of Maharishi jaimini, let us not lose sight of the

fact that only 2 of the total 4 adhyaayas of the Updesha Sutras are

available. The confusion regarding upapada is a classic case . The

sutras say anuchara, some take it to be pada of 12th house while others

take it as of 2nd or 12th house depending on the Ascendant being odd or

even."Ketau Kaivalyam" adds to confusion if combined with these. I know

that everybody says his is the only correct way to calculate, but

Sutras by their very brevity rnder themselves difficult to decipher.

And when only part of the sutras are available, mistakes are likely to

arise.

I think, we apply certain terms rather loosely. When we talk of Maya

and Satya, as against perception of others and fact of the matter( as

rightly said by Naraasimharaoji) ; we enter the realm of

Dwaitadwaitavada. Maya is this life and Satya is emancipation or self

realisation. Or as I see it death is the ultimate truth, while life is

maya. Let us not bring this in to Jyotish, or the discussion veers off

the main subject.

If we take Padas as facts, then why not apply all the yogas and

principles to Padas instead of say Ascendant or 12th or 7th house.

I am not saying this to contradict you, lest you misunderstand. I seek

to know this, as there are no indications available as to when say

indications of Arudha lagna or Padalagna contradict those given wrt the

Natal or Navamsha Lagna, which one predominates. Remember that in case

of which of the two, Navamsha or Ascendant predominates, there is clear

indication in case of exaltation/debilitation of planets.

My personal opinion is that the Arudha lagna/Padas is also one of the

methods which aids assessment of strength of a charts, amongst many

given to Us by the sages. The confusion starts to arise when we

attribute shades to them while superimposing them on other systems.

Again it is not only Maharishi Jamini who mentions Arudha/Pada they are

mentioned by Parashara and also find mention in various Nadigranthas. I

was only pointing out that much neds to be done to understand Arudha /

Pada system and the logic behind it before novices start using it. If

we try to understand as to why Arudha/pada canot be located in 2/12 and

1/7 position from the house, perhaps we will be better able to

understand the true meaning behind the rules and yogas given by the

sages.

If I have, unintentionally, shown disrespect to the learned, i am sure

they will pardon me.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

V.Partha sarathy wrote: