Nodal Aspects

June 24, 2003

Namaste Listmembers

Dear Tanvir,

I wondered what would happen if I wrote today!!.

More fool me!

Hey, just chewin!. Believe it or not I don't dismiss the ideas of others,

they are always food for thought. I appreciate your sharing.

Just to add one brief point. Ketu 'sees' by feeling vibrations, Rahu has been

severed so he can't receive those vibrations, he is at a decided disadvantage as

he only has his eyes to rely on. He actually misses out on a lot of valuable

information.

Aahh, I get it...Rahu sees 12th and 2nd (although dimly)as he has an eye on

either side of his head. If he wants to glance he actually has to move his head

in that direction, which could be an arguement towards Rahu not giving trinal

aspects as he has lost his vehicle for movement.

Anyway, I'm open...within Parashara's guidelines of course!.

Om Shanti

Ann.

June 24, 2003

Om Namah shivaya

Dear list

this has been discussed in the past also.

Guru is the representative of all the goodness, whereas rahu all

adharma and sins that we commit,

Guru aspects 5th, 7th and 9th. 5th and 9th are poorvapunya and bhagya

sthana, so it represents all the good that we inherit. Rahu being

opposite to the GURU, aspects 5th and 9th too, representing the

adharma.

Rahu also aspects 12th from its place, suggesting the reason for

rebirth at one plane, and ability to see through things(6th sense) at

another plane.

Since rahu moves anti zodiacally, the 12th here would mean the 2nd

rasi forward to Rahu. Like if rahu were to be in virgo, then the 12th

aspect would be on thula or libra,.

regards

partha

om tat sat

vedic astrology, "Ann Murphy" <evie@r...>

wrote:

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

>

> Namaste Listmembers

>

> Dear Tanvir,

> Thankyou for your input.

> My sincere apologies if I am not following Parashara, for then I

am lost!!.

> Also, I mistakenly assumed a 7th aspect was a given, sorry for

being unclear.

> mmm...Rahu not giving graha aspects appeals to me, I haven't heard

of that before.

> The sages used 'correspondences' from the natural world to

explain difficult concepts to layfolk. I consider myself blessed to

be immersed in nature especially in this shrinking industrialised

modern world. I take cues from her and thank her daily. Nature is the

microcosm; we neglect or dismiss her at our own peril.

> I am content to have my feet firmly planted on the ground with

my head in the stars

> Om Shanti

> Ann.

June 24, 2003

|Hare Rama Krishna|

Dear Ann,

When looking at your list of arguments i see some basic arguments missing here.

Throughout the email your argument is based on the snakes ability to see and its

nature regarding this sight.

i. All beings move in one direction only.

ii. Their line of sight depends on their circumstances, which is based on their

position - Rasi. all they have todo is point in the desired direction... Some

beings can move backwards, whilst others have only one motion

(retro/stationary, etc).

iii. Graha Dristi is based on desire. If the snake had no desire, it would not

have attacked anyone ever. Its based on desire that we act. Hence this

discussion cannot be used to term the Graha Dristi's.

Hope this helps.

Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana:

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Ann Murphy

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Cc: Ann Murphy

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 4:51 AM

[vedic astrology] Nodal Aspects

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Namaste Listmembers,

I have been thinking on nodal aspects for a

long while now, wondering amid the controversy, how many to use.

I live in 'King Brown' country and have had the life-long opportunity to

observe these very dangerous snakes and their behaviour. (Basic First Aid if

bitten ... 1/ Don't Panic 2/ Place head b/w legs 3/ Kiss you backside

goodbye!).

Actually the poor old snake gets a lot of bad press. During Autumn and Winter

they can't be bothered and are relatively placid, ie you can walk past them and

they will slither in the opposite direction. Spring and Summer they become

absolutely ferocious as they are mating, protecting eggs/their young and

feeding. They become aggressively territorial and will attack and fight to the

death. They just won't back down, even if injured.

Snakes have notoriously poor eyesight, they rely on vibrations through the

earth and atmosphere to navigate and react within their environment.

Ketu does not have eyes, he doesn't need them, he can 'see' through

vibrations. So I think Ketu will aspect his trines (5&9) as well as rashi

drishti.

Rahu having eyes will do the same, although I am not convinced about the 12th

and 2nd aspect. An unhappy snake doesn't bother looking around, they are one

pointed. Considering Southern Hemisphere seasonal variations, summer or Scorpio

finds them at their instinctual worst.

I was set upon by a 3ft black snake in the Northern Territory (luckily it was

the wet season, so it was opposite to the above). I don't think this snake had

any intention of biting me, he just wanted me out of his swimming hole.

What I found fascinating about the whole ordeal was his speed and agility. By

the time I made it to the embankment he looked similar to a strobe light. First

directly to the front, then the sides, perfectly straight, all in the blink of

an eye. All the while, totally fixated on the object. (eek! me!)

I am open to other thoughts and explanations, but right now I can't see the

logic in Rahu's 12th and 2nd aspect as this does not occur in nature.

Om Shanti

Ann.

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June 24, 2003

Hello, Namaste.

1. You are right. Compairing to snake is confusing. I would rather research on

scriptures than snake behaviours if I had to reach a conclusion. That is why, I

showed that compairing to snake is confusing, then Rahu Ketu would aspect 2/12,

3/11, and would not aspect 7th etc etc :-)

2. I did mention that one can come to a conclusion based on the charts he seen.

Best wishes,

Tanvir

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Tanvir

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onlyhari

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Tuesday, June 24, 2003 11:01 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Nodal Aspects

---Om Brihaspataye Namah---Dear Tanvir,The intrinsic question here is whether

Ra/Ke can be compared in behaviour to that of a snake. Since Ra/Ke are

geometrically and mathematically, the intersection points of the moon's orbit

with the plane of the earths orbit around the sun, what is the logic in

comparing them to animals? For that matter, are any of the planets compared to

animals on Earth? I think there is some confusion here.Coming to the matter of

aspects, I am confused if you say BPHS version 1 does not mention aspects where

as BPHS version 2 mentions aspects. Then which to follow. I support

Chandrasekhars wise advise in first testing and see whether it works for you.

If it works for you, then concentrate on refining your understanding

further.regardsHari

June 24, 2003

Namaste.

My point was not coming to a conclusion about the aspect but was to opine that

snakes behaviour would be misleading.

I personally take 5, 7, 9, 12 (anti-zodiac) for Rahu's aspects and also sign

aspects, but I really do not argue about it since the discussion would be too

stretchy :-)Best wishes,Tanvir

What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine.

Tanvir

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Ann Murphy

vedic astrology

Cc: Ann Murphy

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 12:36 PM

[vedic astrology] Nodal Aspects

Namaste Listmembers

Dear Tanvir,

I wondered what would happen if I wrote today!!.

More fool me!

Hey, just chewin!. Believe it or not I don't dismiss the ideas of others,

they are always food for thought. I appreciate your sharing.

Just to add one brief point. Ketu 'sees' by feeling vibrations, Rahu has been

severed so he can't receive those vibrations, he is at a decided disadvantage as

he only has his eyes to rely on. He actually misses out on a lot of valuable

information.

Aahh, I get it...Rahu sees 12th and 2nd (although dimly)as he has an eye on

either side of his head. If he wants to glance he actually has to move his head

in that direction, which could be an arguement towards Rahu not giving trinal

aspects as he has lost his vehicle for movement.

Anyway, I'm open...within Parashara's guidelines of course!.

Om Shanti

Ann.

June 24, 2003

Dear Ann,Tanvir,

Rahu and Ketu are not snakes in indian mythology.They are head and body of one

demon. Snakes come through application of dragon's head and dragon's tail

terminology used in western astrology.

Are we not going astray applying werstern astrology analogy to Vedic Astrology?

Chandrashekhar.

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Tanvir

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Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:11 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Nodal Aspects

Once again, as a snake understands things by vibrations, it will strongly feel

the vibration of anything which is closer to it. So, it will 'see' the things

more clearly which are closer/around to it! Thus, Rahu should aspect both the

2nd and 12th house, and most powerfully than all other houses! It should aspect

the 3rd and 11th houses but with less power. Then, on 5th and 9th, it's aspect

will get very weak, and it will have no aspect on the 7th house at all, since

it is the farest from own position!

But, all scriptures teach us that any planet that has planetary / own aspect,

will cast full aspect on the 7th! And if we agree that rahu had any kind of own

aspect, then we can not deny for any sake/logic that it does have the full

aspect on 7th! Any planet that aspects from own, has a full aspect on the 7th

house.

So now I think you see the logic for Rahu's 12th aspect - the vibration!! Since

you believe that they see through vibrations - your own logic!

Best wishes,Tanvir

What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine.

Tanvir

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Tanvir

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Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:27 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Nodal Aspects

Namaste.

Since you said that you are open to others' thoughts, please allow me to tell

you my views on your discussion.

Some editions of BPHS mention the aspect of Rahu in anti zodiac direction on

houses 5, 7, 9 and 12. While some editions do not mention about it. Some

astrologers, that is why, take 5, 7, 9, 12 for Rahu's aspects. Some take only

sign aspects. Whereas, some take neither sign aspects nor planetary aspects for

Rahu.

Taking no aspect for Rahu is somewhat logical, at least they can support

themselves that not all editions of BPHS mention this. Also, the edition

mentions this, does not mention when it mentions about all other planets

aspects. It mentions about it in a later chapter. So there are some logics

behind them.

On the other hand who take 5, 7, 9, 12 aspects, they also can show reasons that

some editions of BPHS mention it.

So both parties have some logics, we can not deny any of them so quickly.

But I know of no edition of BPHS that gives Rahu's aspect to only 5 and 9

houses. This theory has been developed by some modern schools like SA as far as

I have learnt.

So, whether you take 5, 7, 9, 12 or 'no aspect', you can claim to be following

the sage, but when you take only 5, 9 - you are no longer following Parasara

anymore but following the modern faiths developed by some recent schools.

(Which are not accepted by all, but a few followers.)Now you are trying to

analyze this by the behaviour of snakes. Interesting.

I think, it would not be logical or wise to come to a conclusion about Rahu

Ketu's aspect by only observing the behaviour of snakes. It would be a big

mistake. I would follow the scriputes by the wise sages rather than wondering

about other creatures behaviour like snakes. Rather "Our behaviours" can help

us to reach a concluson - ie our charts, means what we see from our charts and

experiences about Rahu Ketu's aspects.

If I take the logic of behaviour of snakes, I still fail to analyze it.

You have mentioned that in Autumn and Winter snakes are kind of harmless and

powerless. And while in Spring and summer they are ferocious. So their nature

and behaviour depends on the reasons solely.

If you take aspectual matters for Rahu and Ketu from the snakes then you should

also take their behaviour from the snakes. In that case Rahu and Ketu should

also be totally harmless for people born in certain seasons! Not so? But no,

they do not behave like that based on seasons etc.! We know about planets'

strength depending on seasons, but we never have been told about Rahu Ketu's

functional nature depending on the season or anything like this! They have been

almost always malefic, esp Rahu!

Now even if I try again to take your logic I fail again for the second time. You

have said that an unhappy snake does not look around but looks at a point. So

you think Rahu will not look 'around' (Aspect to 12th) but will see one

pointed. Thus you said that Rahu will see only 5 and 9. But, why are you taking

only 5 and 9 for seeing 'one pointed'? Why not 6, 7, 8 etc houses? They are also

not around, then Rahu should also aspect those houses...

You have said that an unhappy snake will not look around. Well, then the

question comes to me what if the enemy becomes too close to the snake in

summer? Does it mean that the snake will not bite it for the sake of being too

close? (Since snakes do not look around and Rahu do not harm/aspect to around

houses?)

Snakes aspect changes places as needed, as per the position of the enemy...

close or far... but whatever Rahu aspects on, the houses will be always fixed

from it's own position.

Saturn is the oldest among all the planets, and is lame, but it does not imply

that he is weak to do harms. We do not see the Sun at the night but that does

not mean that people born at nights will not have any effect from the Sun...

and so on! :-)Thanks for the interesting discussion.

Best wishes,Tanvir

What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine.

Tanvir

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Ann Murphy

vedic astrology

Cc: Ann Murphy

Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:51 AM