Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Namaste Listmembers, I have been thinking on nodal aspects for a long while now, wondering amid the controversy, how many to use. I live in 'King Brown' country and have had the life-long opportunity to observe these very dangerous snakes and their behaviour. (Basic First Aid if bitten ... 1/ Don't Panic 2/ Place head b/w legs 3/ Kiss you backside goodbye!). Actually the poor old snake gets a lot of bad press. During Autumn and Winter they can't be bothered and are relatively placid, ie you can walk past them and they will slither in the opposite direction. Spring and Summer they become absolutely ferocious as they are mating, protecting eggs/their young and feeding. They become aggressively territorial and will attack and fight to the death. They just won't back down, even if injured. Snakes have notoriously poor eyesight, they rely on vibrations through the earth and atmosphere to navigate and react within their environment. Ketu does not have eyes, he doesn't need them, he can 'see' through vibrations. So I think Ketu will aspect his trines (5&9) as well as rashi drishti. Rahu having eyes will do the same, although I am not convinced about the 12th and 2nd aspect. An unhappy snake doesn't bother looking around, they are one pointed. Considering Southern Hemisphere seasonal variations, summer or Scorpio finds them at their instinctual worst. I was set upon by a 3ft black snake in the Northern Territory (luckily it was the wet season, so it was opposite to the above). I don't think this snake had any intention of biting me, he just wanted me out of his swimming hole. What I found fascinating about the whole ordeal was his speed and agility. By the time I made it to the embankment he looked similar to a strobe light. First directly to the front, then the sides, perfectly straight, all in the blink of an eye. All the while, totally fixated on the object. (eek! me!) I am open to other thoughts and explanations, but right now I can't see the logic in Rahu's 12th and 2nd aspect as this does not occur in nature. Om Shanti Ann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Namaste. Since you said that you are open to others' thoughts, please allow me to tell you my views on your discussion. Some editions of BPHS mention the aspect of Rahu in anti zodiac direction on houses 5, 7, 9 and 12. While some editions do not mention about it. Some astrologers, that is why, take 5, 7, 9, 12 for Rahu's aspects. Some take only sign aspects. Whereas, some take neither sign aspects nor planetary aspects for Rahu. Taking no aspect for Rahu is somewhat logical, at least they can support themselves that not all editions of BPHS mention this. Also, the edition mentions this, does not mention when it mentions about all other planets aspects. It mentions about it in a later chapter. So there are some logics behind them. On the other hand who take 5, 7, 9, 12 aspects, they also can show reasons that some editions of BPHS mention it. So both parties have some logics, we can not deny any of them so quickly. But I know of no edition of BPHS that gives Rahu's aspect to only 5 and 9 houses. This theory has been developed by some modern schools like SA as far as I have learnt. So, whether you take 5, 7, 9, 12 or 'no aspect', you can claim to be following the sage, but when you take only 5, 9 - you are no longer following Parasara anymore but following the modern faiths developed by some recent schools. (Which are not accepted by all, but a few followers.)Now you are trying to analyze this by the behaviour of snakes. Interesting. I think, it would not be logical or wise to come to a conclusion about Rahu Ketu's aspect by only observing the behaviour of snakes. It would be a big mistake. I would follow the scriputes by the wise sages rather than wondering about other creatures behaviour like snakes. Rather "Our behaviours" can help us to reach a concluson - ie our charts, means what we see from our charts and experiences about Rahu Ketu's aspects. If I take the logic of behaviour of snakes, I still fail to analyze it. You have mentioned that in Autumn and Winter snakes are kind of harmless and powerless. And while in Spring and summer they are ferocious. So their nature and behaviour depends on the reasons solely. If you take aspectual matters for Rahu and Ketu from the snakes then you should also take their behaviour from the snakes. In that case Rahu and Ketu should also be totally harmless for people born in certain seasons! Not so? But no, they do not behave like that based on seasons etc.! We know about planets' strength depending on seasons, but we never have been told about Rahu Ketu's functional nature depending on the season or anything like this! They have been almost always malefic, esp Rahu! Now even if I try again to take your logic I fail again for the second time. You have said that an unhappy snake does not look around but looks at a point. So you think Rahu will not look 'around' (Aspect to 12th) but will see one pointed. Thus you said that Rahu will see only 5 and 9. But, why are you taking only 5 and 9 for seeing 'one pointed'? Why not 6, 7, 8 etc houses? They are also not around, then Rahu should also aspect those houses... You have said that an unhappy snake will not look around. Well, then the question comes to me what if the enemy becomes too close to the snake in summer? Does it mean that the snake will not bite it for the sake of being too close? (Since snakes do not look around and Rahu do not harm/aspect to around houses?) Snakes aspect changes places as needed, as per the position of the enemy... close or far... but whatever Rahu aspects on, the houses will be always fixed from it's own position. Saturn is the oldest among all the planets, and is lame, but it does not imply that he is weak to do harms. We do not see the Sun at the night but that does not mean that people born at nights will not have any effect from the Sun... and so on! :-)Thanks for the interesting discussion. Best wishes,Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Ann Murphy vedic astrology Cc: Ann Murphy Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:51 AM [vedic astrology] Nodal Aspects Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Namaste Listmembers, I have been thinking on nodal aspects for a long while now, wondering amid the controversy, how many to use. I live in 'King Brown' country and have had the life-long opportunity to observe these very dangerous snakes and their behaviour. (Basic First Aid if bitten ... 1/ Don't Panic 2/ Place head b/w legs 3/ Kiss you backside goodbye!). Actually the poor old snake gets a lot of bad press. During Autumn and Winter they can't be bothered and are relatively placid, ie you can walk past them and they will slither in the opposite direction. Spring and Summer they become absolutely ferocious as they are mating, protecting eggs/their young and feeding. They become aggressively territorial and will attack and fight to the death. They just won't back down, even if injured. Snakes have notoriously poor eyesight, they rely on vibrations through the earth and atmosphere to navigate and react within their environment. Ketu does not have eyes, he doesn't need them, he can 'see' through vibrations. So I think Ketu will aspect his trines (5&9) as well as rashi drishti. Rahu having eyes will do the same, although I am not convinced about the 12th and 2nd aspect. An unhappy snake doesn't bother looking around, they are one pointed. Considering Southern Hemisphere seasonal variations, summer or Scorpio finds them at their instinctual worst. I was set upon by a 3ft black snake in the Northern Territory (luckily it was the wet season, so it was opposite to the above). I don't think this snake had any intention of biting me, he just wanted me out of his swimming hole. What I found fascinating about the whole ordeal was his speed and agility. By the time I made it to the embankment he looked similar to a strobe light. First directly to the front, then the sides, perfectly straight, all in the blink of an eye. All the while, totally fixated on the object. (eek! me!) I am open to other thoughts and explanations, but right now I can't see the logic in Rahu's 12th and 2nd aspect as this does not occur in nature. Om Shanti Ann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Once again, as a snake understands things by vibrations, it will strongly feel the vibration of anything which is closer to it. So, it will 'see' the things more clearly which are closer/around to it! Thus, Rahu should aspect both the 2nd and 12th house, and most powerfully than all other houses! It should aspect the 3rd and 11th houses but with less power. Then, on 5th and 9th, it's aspect will get very weak, and it will have no aspect on the 7th house at all, since it is the farest from own position! But, all scriptures teach us that any planet that has planetary / own aspect, will cast full aspect on the 7th! And if we agree that rahu had any kind of own aspect, then we can not deny for any sake/logic that it does have the full aspect on 7th! Any planet that aspects from own, has a full aspect on the 7th house. So now I think you see the logic for Rahu's 12th aspect - the vibration!! Since you believe that they see through vibrations - your own logic! Best wishes,Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Tanvir vedic astrology Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:27 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Nodal Aspects Namaste. Since you said that you are open to others' thoughts, please allow me to tell you my views on your discussion. Some editions of BPHS mention the aspect of Rahu in anti zodiac direction on houses 5, 7, 9 and 12. While some editions do not mention about it. Some astrologers, that is why, take 5, 7, 9, 12 for Rahu's aspects. Some take only sign aspects. Whereas, some take neither sign aspects nor planetary aspects for Rahu. Taking no aspect for Rahu is somewhat logical, at least they can support themselves that not all editions of BPHS mention this. Also, the edition mentions this, does not mention when it mentions about all other planets aspects. It mentions about it in a later chapter. So there are some logics behind them. On the other hand who take 5, 7, 9, 12 aspects, they also can show reasons that some editions of BPHS mention it. So both parties have some logics, we can not deny any of them so quickly. But I know of no edition of BPHS that gives Rahu's aspect to only 5 and 9 houses. This theory has been developed by some modern schools like SA as far as I have learnt. So, whether you take 5, 7, 9, 12 or 'no aspect', you can claim to be following the sage, but when you take only 5, 9 - you are no longer following Parasara anymore but following the modern faiths developed by some recent schools. (Which are not accepted by all, but a few followers.)Now you are trying to analyze this by the behaviour of snakes. Interesting. I think, it would not be logical or wise to come to a conclusion about Rahu Ketu's aspect by only observing the behaviour of snakes. It would be a big mistake. I would follow the scriputes by the wise sages rather than wondering about other creatures behaviour like snakes. Rather "Our behaviours" can help us to reach a concluson - ie our charts, means what we see from our charts and experiences about Rahu Ketu's aspects. If I take the logic of behaviour of snakes, I still fail to analyze it. You have mentioned that in Autumn and Winter snakes are kind of harmless and powerless. And while in Spring and summer they are ferocious. So their nature and behaviour depends on the reasons solely. If you take aspectual matters for Rahu and Ketu from the snakes then you should also take their behaviour from the snakes. In that case Rahu and Ketu should also be totally harmless for people born in certain seasons! Not so? But no, they do not behave like that based on seasons etc.! We know about planets' strength depending on seasons, but we never have been told about Rahu Ketu's functional nature depending on the season or anything like this! They have been almost always malefic, esp Rahu! Now even if I try again to take your logic I fail again for the second time. You have said that an unhappy snake does not look around but looks at a point. So you think Rahu will not look 'around' (Aspect to 12th) but will see one pointed. Thus you said that Rahu will see only 5 and 9. But, why are you taking only 5 and 9 for seeing 'one pointed'? Why not 6, 7, 8 etc houses? They are also not around, then Rahu should also aspect those houses... You have said that an unhappy snake will not look around. Well, then the question comes to me what if the enemy becomes too close to the snake in summer? Does it mean that the snake will not bite it for the sake of being too close? (Since snakes do not look around and Rahu do not harm/aspect to around houses?) Snakes aspect changes places as needed, as per the position of the enemy... close or far... but whatever Rahu aspects on, the houses will be always fixed from it's own position. Saturn is the oldest among all the planets, and is lame, but it does not imply that he is weak to do harms. We do not see the Sun at the night but that does not mean that people born at nights will not have any effect from the Sun... and so on! :-)Thanks for the interesting discussion. Best wishes,Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Ann Murphy vedic astrology Cc: Ann Murphy Tuesday, June 24, 2003 8:51 AM [vedic astrology] Nodal Aspects Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Namaste Listmembers, I have been thinking on nodal aspects for a long while now, wondering amid the controversy, how many to use. I live in 'King Brown' country and have had the life-long opportunity to observe these very dangerous snakes and their behaviour. (Basic First Aid if bitten ... 1/ Don't Panic 2/ Place head b/w legs 3/ Kiss you backside goodbye!). Actually the poor old snake gets a lot of bad press. During Autumn and Winter they can't be bothered and are relatively placid, ie you can walk past them and they will slither in the opposite direction. Spring and Summer they become absolutely ferocious as they are mating, protecting eggs/their young and feeding. They become aggressively territorial and will attack and fight to the death. They just won't back down, even if injured. Snakes have notoriously poor eyesight, they rely on vibrations through the earth and atmosphere to navigate and react within their environment. Ketu does not have eyes, he doesn't need them, he can 'see' through vibrations. So I think Ketu will aspect his trines (5&9) as well as rashi drishti. Rahu having eyes will do the same, although I am not convinced about the 12th and 2nd aspect. An unhappy snake doesn't bother looking around, they are one pointed. Considering Southern Hemisphere seasonal variations, summer or Scorpio finds them at their instinctual worst. I was set upon by a 3ft black snake in the Northern Territory (luckily it was the wet season, so it was opposite to the above). I don't think this snake had any intention of biting me, he just wanted me out of his swimming hole. What I found fascinating about the whole ordeal was his speed and agility. By the time I made it to the embankment he looked similar to a strobe light. First directly to the front, then the sides, perfectly straight, all in the blink of an eye. All the while, totally fixated on the object. (eek! me!) I am open to other thoughts and explanations, but right now I can't see the logic in Rahu's 12th and 2nd aspect as this does not occur in nature. Om Shanti Ann. 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Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- Dear Tanvir, The intrinsic question here is whether Ra/Ke can be compared in behaviour to that of a snake. Since Ra/Ke are geometrically and mathematically, the intersection points of the moon's orbit with the plane of the earths orbit around the sun, what is the logic in comparing them to animals? For that matter, are any of the planets compared to animals on Earth? I think there is some confusion here. Coming to the matter of aspects, I am confused if you say BPHS version 1 does not mention aspects where as BPHS version 2 mentions aspects. Then which to follow. I support Chandrasekhars wise advise in first testing and see whether it works for you. If it works for you, then concentrate on refining your understanding further. regards Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2003 Report Share Posted June 23, 2003 Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Namaste Listmembers Dear Tanvir, Thankyou for your input. My sincere apologies if I am not following Parashara, for then I am lost!!. Also, I mistakenly assumed a 7th aspect was a given, sorry for being unclear. mmm...Rahu not giving graha aspects appeals to me, I haven't heard of that before. The sages used 'correspondences' from the natural world to explain difficult concepts to layfolk. I consider myself blessed to be immersed in nature especially in this shrinking industrialised modern world. I take cues from her and thank her daily. Nature is the microcosm; we neglect or dismiss her at our own peril. I am content to have my feet firmly planted on the ground with my head in the stars Om Shanti Ann. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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