Abortion

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Dear Marcus,

 

Hare Rama Krsna!

 

I had a look into her 2nd husbands chart. Please tell me, was the first

child of this lady from 1st marriage adopted by her 2nd husband? In any

case, his chart should show the child from her 1st marriage. Indeed, his

D-7 lagna has Ketu, which reverses the count (anti-zodiacal) and 9th lord

Sun is with Rahu in 7th showing that he married a widow or divorcee, and

9th lord with Rahu shows the child from her 1st marriage = a boy (Sun

conjoins Rahu). Next child seen from 7th, with Rahu in it, this child will

be from 2nd marriage, it's Mercury in Scorpio, thus a girl, and it's a

rabble rouser because Mercury is in enemies' sign there, which owned by

Mars. 3rd child seen from Aries, Mars in Leo, it's a boy. Next lorded by

Rahu, which is stronger than Saturn, being in mooltrikona with Sun. Here

we see the workings of Rahu again. See, Rahu gave the child from 1st

marriage, then now it will take the child away which would be given by his

sign, Aquarius. Thus it's an abortion. Next Sagittarius, Jupiter in

Pisces, not bad, but look at the aspects of Mars, Saturn and Rahu-Ketu. I

doubt whether this child will survive. Anyway, pray for Guru to be strong

enough in Pisces, it could be a boy, but the father will have to

strengthen it by chanting a moksha mantra, e.g. the Hare Krsna

maha-mantra, and give donations or cow to priests.

 

Again here Sagittarius is on the Rahu-Ketu axis which will indicate the

last child. In the ladies chart I do believe the 9th house with Rahu and

Venus shows 2 children, since it is clear that Saturn retrograde and

debilitated will indicate the 2nd child who is the rabble rouser.

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotisha

http://www.radhadesh.com

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Jaya JagannathDear JK da,

 

For male horoscopes, the 6th lord is the maraka as the 5th house is the

controlling house for progeny whereas the 10th lord becomes the maraka in the

female horosocpes as 9th house is the controlling house. Please check the

association of these lords or presence of lord of the child in these houses

devoid of Venusian influence for abortion.

 

Anyway, can you send the chart again.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

 

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"j.k. dasgupta" <dgassociates (AT) sify (DOT) com>

<vedic astrology>

Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:59 PM

Re: Fw: [vedic astrology] Abortion

> dear Narayan,> > namaste. i was seeing from the attached chart itself. yes if

we take Tz as 2> Hrs then we get D7 lagna as Pi. even rashi,> > 1st. : 9L Ma is

in Pi - a male child,> 2nd.: 7L Me is in Le in arivartana with Sun. a female

child> 3rd. : Now 5L moon is in Aq. should it not be a female child?> 4th. : Is

there any indication of abortion? because of Ke either it should> have ended

with the last child or next child should be seen from Ge (as i> know). then i

do not see any indication of abortion except aspect of mars of> course (which

may show loss of pregnancy due to bleeding or medical reasons,> if i am

correct). if we consider Ta for next child (considering manduka gati> as usual)

- then of course it has aspect of rahu and also lord Ve is with> Rahu.> > or the

chart requires BT rectification!> > regards> > jk> > ----- Original Message

-----> > > vedic astrology, "naaraayana_iyer"> >

<narayan@s...> wrote:> > || Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha

||> >> > Dear JKDa,> >> > First, let us get the chart right! The TZ given by

the native is 1Hr> > East, where as with JHora (Professional Version) I get TZ

as 2Hrs> > East. I get 9 Cancer 39 as rising degree.> >> > Let's fix this, then

we shall go into D7 and other divisions.> >> > Warm Regards> > Narayan> >> >> >>

>> > vedic astrology, "j.k. dasgupta"> >

<dgassociates@s...> wrote:> > > sorry.. 1st child lord sat is in aries.. should

be a female> > instead, as sat is in deblity. here also a discripency> > >> > >

-> > > j.k. dasgupta> > > To:

vedic astrology> > > Saturday, June 14, 2003 5:34 PM> > >

Re: [vedic astrology] Abortion> > >> > >> > > Dear Marcus and

Rosemary,> > >> > > My comments below,> > >> > > regards> > >> > > jk> > >

-> > > Rosemary Innes-Jones> > > To:

vedic astrology> > > Friday, June 13, 2003 3:00 AM> > >

Re: [vedic astrology] Abortion> > >> > >> > > Dear Jk,> > >

Thankyou for looking into this chart and this sensitive issue.> > > On

raising this chart, In the D7, I get Mars, Lord of Scorpio,> > in Pisces, so

second pregnancy would be female?> > >> > > jk: my mistake.. mars is in Pi.

Pi is also considered a male> > rashi, so should be a male issue only, not a

female. but 2nd is a> > female. so it does match here. in D1 also 7L sat is

with Jup,> > indicating a male child. others also may plz comment on this, why>

> this discripency !> > >> > > however Marcus has confirmed that 1st pregnancy

was not lost.> > then i noticed the strong jup in both D1 & D7. yes it should be

a> > male - as lor sat is in Ar. but there must have been some problem in> >

both the 1st and 3rd pregnancy due to rahu aspect. Marcus may plz> > check it

back and give a feed back.> > >> > > Everything else seems to be the same as

you say.> > > For the third pregnancy Mercury is lord of Virgo in Leo, would>

> that not make the child male? Why do you say female?> > >> > > jk:

parivartana between sun and mer should give a female child,> > but it's a

male.. here also it is not matching. other learned> > members may plz comment

on this.> > >> > > If there was a loss of the first pregnancy, due to Rahu,

would> > not the 4th pregnancy also be lost, with the inflence of Ketu> >

residing in Cancer? Ketu-mistake ?> > >> > > jk: yes might be> > >> > > You

mentioned curse of the mother in the second house. Moon is> > in the second

house of the family, so the curse is on the> > family.Curse of the mother, but

why not Venus, curse of the wife,> > for the family? Mars and Rahu aspect both

by graha drishti, but not> > saturn, so not complete. Anger(Mars) and

shock(Rahu) but not grief?> > ( saturn)> > >> > > jk: aspect of any 2 malefic

will form the curse and moon is the> > more benefic planet, so that will lead

the effect. others will> > follow it> > >> > > Please can you explain about

the curse, and how to read the> > termination aspects.> > > In regard to

Marcus's question on an astrologers duty, would it> > not be appropriate for

him to tell his client about the consequences> > of actions, if it could be

done very carefully. As the lady is> > already in quite a state emotionally,

the jyotishi would need to re> > affirm her confidence in herself first, remind

her to have faith in> > God, who chooses life, and to see all things freshly in

every new> > moment. I feel particularly close to this situation, having lived>

> through something similar myself. The fear of losing the husband,> > and

responsibility for the two living children, has to be addresed> > in her, as if

she just follows blindly what her husband directs,> > when she knows the truth ,

she is not allowing him to be the greater> > man that he could be. Whether the

husband chooses to stay or leave,> > would not she be protected in some way, as

she has chosen the> > truthful route. The truth protects, we do not have to

protect the> > truth. Without a husband, life will be more challenging, as I

have> > also found, but having lost 2 husbands through death, and two> >

pregnancys, I do believe one never loses what you need. It is all> > lessons,

all growth and no mistakes. The only mis-take is our view> > of reality, and a

jyotishi's duty is to bring light or the eyes of> > the veda to those suffering

with a mis-take. Her path is hers to> > direct, not the astrologers, and we must

be careful not take the> > responsibility of the descision away from the client.

we can tell> > about the climate and the influences andthe consequences but we

must> > not claim the result of our counsel. This comes from God.> > >

Thankyou and kind regards,> > > Rosemary> > > ----- Original Message

-----> > > j.k. dasgupta> > > To:

vedic astrology> > > Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:05

PM> > > [vedic astrology] Abortion> > >> > >> > > dear

Marcus,> > >> > > if you look at D7, she must have lost her 1st child. D7

lagna> > is even. so count antizodiac and see that 5th house from Ta (Cp) is> >

afflicted by Rahu. Then 1 male (3rd from Cp is Sc and lord in Ari) &> > 1 female

children (3rd from Sc is Vi and lord in Le..but having> > parivartana witrh Su).

This pregnency must be a female again (3rd> > from Vi is Cn and lord Moon is in

Aq). is she telling the truth? i> > do not see any abortion in the last

pregnency. can you give a feed> > back on this?> > >> > > i do not find any

reason why this pregnency should be> > terminated. See he 2nd house. Mer, Moon &

Ven afflicted by Rahu &> > Mars (also in badhaka sthana). Seems to be curse of

mother from her> > past life. Moon is also her AK as well as Asc lord.. with

Rahu. Not> > a very good situation - lot of depresion and eccentric behaviour>

> might be there. Ask her to recite Mrityunjaya mantra regularly to.> > >> > >

she is running Ju MD. Ju is her DK.. a teaching time for her> > husband.> >

>> > > Regards> > >> > > jk> > >> > >> > > ----- Original Message

-----> > > freudenmann> > > vedic astrology>

> > Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:02 AM> > > Subject:

[vedic astrology] Abortion> > >> > >> > > Dear Guru's and group members> >

>> > > My knowledge as Jyotishi is very limited and the theme is too> >

delicate to mess around with it.> > > Therefore I would like to ask humbly

for your advice.> > >> > > A 43 year old woman has approached me some time

ago with the> > question on how to appease her mind and God for an abortion she

has> > done about 1 year ago. We came, in a long talk, to the conclusion> > that

taking up yoga exercises and chanting the mantra Om Namaha> > Shivaya, do

meditation daily and pray to God would help to work with> > this load.

Important was to make her understand that God will> > forgive us only if we

forgive ourselves. She has taken up all> > exercises with extreme care and

slowly it seemed as if she could> > find some peace of mind.> > >> > > Now

she has approached me 2 days ago to let me know that she> > is pregnant again

and was scared to death to go through this> > decision again. Her

Husband/Partner does not want the child and is> > opposing it drastically. He

had an operation done in January and now> > wants to sue the doctor. Their

relation is anyway not extremely> > stable and a 3rd child brings a big

conflict between them. She feels> > blessed to have the chance to do better

this time but on the other> > side faces a single life with 3 children and no

money.> > >> > >> > > The lady has a quite difficult chart with 5 planets

in the> > second house. Chart attached.> > > Female, 24/08/1960,

04:10:00, DST/WT 0, Basel (Bale), ,> > Switzerland, Time Zone 1.00, Lat. 47 N

33, Long. 7 E 35, Tithi-2nd> > Tithi-Dvitiya of Waxing Moon> > >> > >

Looking at the Vishottari Dasa we see that she has entered> > into JU-SA-SA-SA

with commencement of this pregnancy.> > > SA retrograde in the 6th house as

Lord of 7 and 8 does not> > indicate a great next future. Even though SA is in

the same house> > with Jupiter both are aspected by MA and RA. JU himself is

also> > tinted by its rulership of the 6th house. SA occupies in the> >

Saptamsha chart the 12th house indicating loss and spiritual lessons> > to be

learned. and Jupiter lords and occupies the 8th house.> > > She is starting

her second cycle of Sadhesati on the> > 09.May.2004. shortly after the birth of

the child which means that> > there is great suffering to come.> > >> > >

What is my duty?> > > What should I suggest?> > > I know that abortion

is killing and is tabou. But is it my> > right to judge and say so?> > >> > >>

> > Thank you very much for your patience> > >> > > Humbly yours> > >

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