Abortion -feminine view

June 14, 2003

Dear Sateesh,

You bring an interesting new angle on this. As a woman I have already commented,

and I have lived through the drama that Marcus's native is experiencing right

now. I can say wholeheartedly, that as a woman we sometimes mistake our duty .

The advice from anyone, and especially a jyotishi, that reminds one of who we

truly are, lifts our view and our confidence. As a woman whose body is swamped

with hormones and naturally elevated emotions, we sometimes only see all the

fears, the emotional obstacles and not the truth, and we need clear and careful

reasoning to see beyond that. The husband or father of the child is her

'protector' and he must stay right with her , supporting her , and her ability

to know the truth. Judgement will not help and only cause division and duality.

It is a matter of gentle questioning and listening to find out why she feels

the way she does, and facing it all together. They say forgiveness is just

giving something finer, it is not forgeting. It is an application of our

knowledge of the universal that brings us all into unity, Advaita ( not two in

sanskrit) Knowlege of the law is a remembering, and ignorance of the natural

laws does not prevent them from operating. It is helpful, is it not, to realize

the cliff is there, before you fall over it to find out? If it is known the

cliff is there you might or might not, take an alternative route. With this

pregnancy issue, of finding oneself in a position of responsibility unwanted or

unplanned , it is often an issue of control. Claiming to know and therefore

judge what life will bring from the new circumstances . If we can be reminded

by someone, a jyotishi , of the forces at work, and be reminded of our own

universal nature we can act far more truthfully. Responsibility is the ability

to respond. Both the father and the mother of the child have to respond, now

who has the best ability to respond? To truthfully respond?

The stronger needs to help the weaker in this.

Perhaps you are correct, that the body is under her authority. But the life isn't.

Who chooses life?

God chooses life.

There is a current climate of thinking in the West that the individual will ,

can, control their destiny, yet the study of jyotish shows us this magical play

called life encompasses a far greater universal will, to discover who we really

are.

Each path is unique and I believe the guidance from a jyotishi, can help

tremendously in seeing our own part in it can be played nicely yet fully.

Regards

Rosemary

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Sateesh Batas

vedic astrology

Sunday, June 15, 2003 8:32 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Abortion

Dear List,

No way meaning to start a debate on this, but it seems to have been exclusively

males so far who have commented on women who choose to have abortions.

As a male, I am grateful I can never get in the position of getting pregnant, so

will never need to decide or be judged if I abort a child. End of the day, it's

their (mother's) body and as childbirth doesn't look particularly painless to me

I guess we can respect their decision.

As I am not a husband or father, perhaps I am being premature here, but

seriously - no offence intended to either side.

Sateesh.

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June 14, 2003

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Rosemary,

i understand that the message from you is straight from your heart. You have

stated that both the husband and wife should respond/share the responisbility.

Herein comes the role of Upapada. If you now study the importance of upapada

you will definitely appreciate the superior intelligence of the great sages.

Upapada is arudha of 12th house defined by its lord. What does the 12th

signify? It reminds the individual of his/her source(past) which induces the

spirit of motherliness(dharma of giving without any expectation). It brings out

that quality of caring for the other. The ego is made to bend. That's why

Upapada match is considered very important in match making as it speaks of

mutual responisibilities and responses. Marriage and fruits of marriage are to

be seen from Upapada. The 12th house is the fourth from 9th which indicates

that 12th, is the house of the Lord/Guru. The institution of marriage is

therefore beautifully attributed to, as an amsa of Dharma(navamsa). We

understand that much care has already been taken by the sages in these areas to

help mankind.

i take this opportunity, as a thanksgiving measure, to bow down to all the sages

for all their contributions to help mankind. i pray for their mercy and request

them to be kind enough for blessings us with greater revelations.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayanan

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June 15, 2003

|Hare Rama Krishna|

Dear List,

I may add that since the 12th house, is the 8th (longevity) from the 5th house

(children), the Upapada fast is one of the best to ensure the longevity and

birth of the children. Marcus can advise this to the pregnant woman.

Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana:

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org

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P.S. RAMANARAYANAN

vedic astrology

Sunday, June 15, 2003 5:29 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Abortion -feminine view