Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 dear sir, i too agreed with you. but this is not , no free will this taking karma in another way which is easy way.even in vedhas say remedy are accepted , tahst why it gave mantra like ruduram , chammagam like that. suppose for example your karma is to travel by bus- now the question is which bus , luxvary bus , or ordinary bus , or ac bus. now if you do remedy you can go luxvary bus. if do uppasana you can travel by ac bus (but u r belif must be strong enough it must be one god) but if you do nothing the u have to travel by ordinary bus. yes maharashi raman . i dont have second thought on him . but karma surrender uis also possible. i can give so many examples reg this. hari om namo narayana adhi narayana, lakshimi narayana n.rajagoopalan --- Punit Pandey <pandeypunit wrote: > Dear Tanvir, > > I have gone through some text by Raman Maharishi and > Ram Krishna Paramhamsa. It seems that they were of > opinion of "no free will". If someone interested I > can > tell exact reference from books although I'll have > to > search a little. K.S. Krishnamurti (inventor of KP > System) had of same opinion. > > Although this idea of 100% raises lots of questions > and I am sure lots of disagreements. For example if > this 100% theory is correct there is no remedy et > al. > or remedy works only if there is already indication > of > remedy in horoscope etc. etc. THE PROBLEM IS I DON'T > FIND MYSELF ENOUGH INTELLEGENT TO COMMENT ON THIS > MATTER. But I think taking help of Raman Maharishi > and > Ramkrishna Paramhansa is a good idea. > > > Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > > --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > > I agree to this 100%. We have almost no free will > or > > if we have, it is not more than 2-3%. If we had > ANY > > free will, we could avoid any prediction, could be > > and do anything and do prediction would ever come > > true. This is the simpliest logic. Anything a man > or > > person does or face could have been prediction > right > > after his birth. Refer to Gita what Sri Krishna > said > > - Although the soul in the body thinks himself to > be > > the doer, he does nohing... > > > > Regards, > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury > > tanvir > > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > > > > > - > > Punit Pandey > > lalkitab > > Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:30 PM > > Re: [lalkitab] Personal Effort > > > > > > Hello Colin, > > > > I think sage Parashara has never written > anything > > about it. I have sent and e-mail to Mr. Satrajit > > Majumdar, CEO CyberAstro.com asking for > reference > > from > > BPHS. > > > > Anyway I believe that 100% is prewritten and we > > cannot > > change anything or only can change the things > that > > are > > written to be changed. > > > > It is just my opinion based on my experience and > > other > > members can have their own opion. > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > --- Colin Yardley <yardley wrote: > > > I received the following in my email box this > > > morning from a Vedic Web Site: > > > > > > "As a prelude to the launch of the Members > Forum > > at > > > Cyberastro.com, we > > > had started an opinion poll on the home page. > > Last > > > week's subject was > > > "Personal effort can override signatures of a > > natal > > > chart". An > > > overwhelming majority respondents (76%) have > > polled > > > "Yes", while > > > 16% have said "No". 8% seem undecided about > this > > > matter. It seems > > > most respondents are in agreement with Sage > > > Parashara, the father of > > > Vedic Astrology, in his summarization that > > personal > > > effort accounts for > > > 75% of results in life, while the balance is > > > governed by the signatures > > > of the natal chart." > > > > > > I'd be interested to hear responses from Lal > > > Kitabbers on this assertion. It is quite > > empowering > > > to consider that one's efforts do matter more > > than a > > > little. > > > > > > Colin Yardley > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync > > to Outlook. > > http://calendar. > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email > to: > > lalkitab > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > Outlook. > http://calendar. > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. http://calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- Dear Sirs, An extract from "Autobiography of a yogi" concerning the topic of freewill; note the third paragraph. ---- Astrology is the study of man's response to planetary stimuli. The stars have no conscious benevolence or animosity; they merely send forth positive and negative radiations. Of themselves, these do not help or harm humanity, but offer a lawful channel for the outward operation of cause-effect equilibriums which each man has set into motion in the past. "A child is born on that day and at that hour when the celestial rays are in mathematical harmony with his individual karma. His horoscope is a challenging portrait, revealing his unalterable past and its probable future results. But the natal chart can be rightly interpreted only by men of intuitive wisdom: these are few. "The message boldly blazoned across the heavens at the moment of birth is not meant to emphasize fate—the result of past good and evil—but to arouse man's will to escape from his universal thralldom. What he has done, he can undo. None other than himself was the instigator of the causes of whatever effects are now prevalent in his life. He can overcome any limitation, because he created it by his own actions in the first place, and because he has spiritual resources which are not subject to planetary pressure. "Superstitious awe of astrology makes one an automaton, slavishly dependent on mechanical guidance. The wise man defeats his planets— which is to say, his past—by transferring his allegiance from the creation to the Creator. The more he realizes his unity with Spirit, the less he can be dominated by matter. The soul is ever-free; it is deathless because birthless. It cannot be regimented by stars. "Man is a soul, and has a body. When he properly places his sense of identity, he leaves behind all compulsive patterns. So long as he remains confused in his ordinary state of spiritual amnesia, he will know the subtle fetters of environmental law. "God is harmony; the devotee who attunes himself will never perform any action amiss. His activities will be correctly and naturally timed to accord with astrological law. After deep prayer and meditation he is in touch with his divine consciousness; there is no greater power than that inward protection." --- regards Hari vedic astrology, "rajagoopalan.n" <ennraj> wrote: > dear sir, > i too agreed with you. but this is not , no free will > this taking karma in another way which is easy > way.even in vedhas say remedy are accepted , tahst why > it gave mantra like ruduram , chammagam like that. > suppose for example your karma is to travel by bus- > now the question is which bus , luxvary bus , or > ordinary bus , or ac bus. > now if you do remedy you can go luxvary bus. > if do uppasana you can travel by ac bus (but u r belif > must be strong enough it must be one god) > but if you do nothing the u have to travel by ordinary > bus. > yes maharashi raman . i dont have second thought on > him . but karma surrender uis also possible. > i can give so many examples reg this. > > hari om namo narayana > adhi narayana, lakshimi narayana > n.rajagoopalan > > --- Punit Pandey <pandeypunit> wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > I have gone through some text by Raman Maharishi and > > Ram Krishna Paramhamsa. It seems that they were of > > opinion of "no free will". If someone interested I > > can > > tell exact reference from books although I'll have > > to > > search a little. K.S. Krishnamurti (inventor of KP > > System) had of same opinion. > > > > Although this idea of 100% raises lots of questions > > and I am sure lots of disagreements. For example if > > this 100% theory is correct there is no remedy et > > al. > > or remedy works only if there is already indication > > of > > remedy in horoscope etc. etc. THE PROBLEM IS I DON'T > > FIND MYSELF ENOUGH INTELLEGENT TO COMMENT ON THIS > > MATTER. But I think taking help of Raman Maharishi > > and > > Ramkrishna Paramhansa is a good idea. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > --- Tanvir <tanvir@s...> wrote: > > > I agree to this 100%. We have almost no free will > > or > > > if we have, it is not more than 2-3%. If we had > > ANY > > > free will, we could avoid any prediction, could be > > > and do anything and do prediction would ever come > > > true. This is the simpliest logic. Anything a man > > or > > > person does or face could have been prediction > > right > > > after his birth. Refer to Gita what Sri Krishna > > said > > > - Although the soul in the body thinks himself to > > be > > > the doer, he does nohing... > > > > > > Regards, > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury > > > tanvir@s... > > > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > > > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Punit Pandey > > > lalkitab > > > Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:30 PM > > > Re: [lalkitab] Personal Effort > > > > > > > > > Hello Colin, > > > > > > I think sage Parashara has never written > > anything > > > about it. I have sent and e-mail to Mr. Satrajit > > > Majumdar, CEO CyberAstro.com asking for > > reference > > > from > > > BPHS. > > > > > > Anyway I believe that 100% is prewritten and we > > > cannot > > > change anything or only can change the things > > that > > > are > > > written to be changed. > > > > > > It is just my opinion based on my experience and > > > other > > > members can have their own opion. > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > --- Colin Yardley <yardley@s...> wrote: > > > > I received the following in my email box this > > > > morning from a Vedic Web Site: > > > > > > > > "As a prelude to the launch of the Members > > Forum > > > at > > > > Cyberastro.com, we > > > > had started an opinion poll on the home page. > > > Last > > > > week's subject was > > > > "Personal effort can override signatures of a > > > natal > > > > chart". An > > > > overwhelming majority respondents (76%) have > > > polled > > > > "Yes", while > > > > 16% have said "No". 8% seem undecided about > > this > > > > matter. It seems > > > > most respondents are in agreement with Sage > > > > Parashara, the father of > > > > Vedic Astrology, in his summarization that > > > personal > > > > effort accounts for > > > > 75% of results in life, while the balance is > > > > governed by the signatures > > > > of the natal chart." > > > > > > > > I'd be interested to hear responses from Lal > > > > Kitabbers on this assertion. It is quite > > > empowering > > > > to consider that one's efforts do matter more > > > than a > > > > little. > > > > > > > > Colin Yardley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync > > > to Outlook. > > > http://calendar. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email > > to: > > > lalkitab > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > > Outlook. > > http://calendar. > > > > > > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. > http://calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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