Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 dear Marcus, if you look at D7, she must have lost her 1st child. D7 lagna is even. so count antizodiac and see that 5th house from Ta (Cp) is afflicted by Rahu. Then 1 male (3rd from Cp is Sc and lord in Ari) & 1 female children (3rd from Sc is Vi and lord in Le..but having parivartana witrh Su). This pregnency must be a female again (3rd from Vi is Cn and lord Moon is in Aq). is she telling the truth? i do not see any abortion in the last pregnency. can you give a feed back on this? i do not find any reason why this pregnency should be terminated. See he 2nd house. Mer, Moon & Ven afflicted by Rahu & Mars (also in badhaka sthana). Seems to be curse of mother from her past life. Moon is also her AK as well as Asc lord.. with Rahu. Not a very good situation - lot of depresion and eccentric behaviour might be there. Ask her to recite Mrityunjaya mantra regularly to. she is running Ju MD. Ju is her DK.. a teaching time for her husband. Regards jk - freudenmann vedic astrology Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:02 AM [vedic astrology] Abortion Dear Guru's and group members My knowledge as Jyotishi is very limited and the theme is too delicate to mess around with it. Therefore I would like to ask humbly for your advice. A 43 year old woman has approached me some time ago with the question on how to appease her mind and God for an abortion she has done about 1 year ago. We came, in a long talk, to the conclusion that taking up yoga exercises and chanting the mantra Om Namaha Shivaya, do meditation daily and pray to God would help to work with this load. Important was to make her understand that God will forgive us only if we forgive ourselves. She has taken up all exercises with extreme care and slowly it seemed as if she could find some peace of mind. Now she has approached me 2 days ago to let me know that she is pregnant again and was scared to death to go through this decision again. Her Husband/Partner does not want the child and is opposing it drastically. He had an operation done in January and now wants to sue the doctor. Their relation is anyway not extremely stable and a 3rd child brings a big conflict between them. She feels blessed to have the chance to do better this time but on the other side faces a single life with 3 children and no money. The lady has a quite difficult chart with 5 planets in the second house. Chart attached. Female, 24/08/1960, 04:10:00, DST/WT 0, Basel (Bale), , Switzerland, Time Zone 1.00, Lat. 47 N 33, Long. 7 E 35, Tithi-2nd Tithi-Dvitiya of Waxing Moon Looking at the Vishottari Dasa we see that she has entered into JU-SA-SA-SA with commencement of this pregnancy. SA retrograde in the 6th house as Lord of 7 and 8 does not indicate a great next future. Even though SA is in the same house with Jupiter both are aspected by MA and RA. JU himself is also tinted by its rulership of the 6th house. SA occupies in the Saptamsha chart the 12th house indicating loss and spiritual lessons to be learned. and Jupiter lords and occupies the 8th house. She is starting her second cycle of Sadhesati on the 09.May.2004. shortly after the birth of the child which means that there is great suffering to come. What is my duty? What should I suggest? I know that abortion is killing and is tabou. But is it my right to judge and say so? Thank you very much for your patience Humbly yours MarcusArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Abortion.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Dear JK Daskupta thank you for your reply. She had her first boy 25.11.1981 (MA-VE-ME-SA) in first marriage. Healthy, sportive, successful young man. The second was a girl 15/11/1995 (RA-VE-RA-VE). Very difficult nature, rabble rouser. Third was a Boy again 28/01/1999 (RA-MO-SA-KE). Last two where in second marriage. 2nd husband detail: Male, 16/06/1967, 10:20:00, DST/WT 0, Dunedin, , New Zealand, Time Zone 12.00, Lat. 45 S 52, Long. 170 E 30, Then in Dec 2002 she had her abortion of 4th child. At the moment everything is very emotional but looks quite positive for the child. Relation to mother is like a vacuum. She has the feeling of not getting any love from her and has left home very early to live abroad. Otherwise she is a very sensitive and loving mother to her 3 children. She was a lot more eccentric in her younger years especially fashion wise. I have asked her to try to make up with her mother quite some time ago. She had already planed to visit her in Switzerland but now the pregnancy has come in between. Best regards Marcus - j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:05 PM [vedic astrology] Abortion dear Marcus, if you look at D7, she must have lost her 1st child. D7 lagna is even. so count antizodiac and see that 5th house from Ta (Cp) is afflicted by Rahu. Then 1 male (3rd from Cp is Sc and lord in Ari) & 1 female children (3rd from Sc is Vi and lord in Le..but having parivartana witrh Su). This pregnency must be a female again (3rd from Vi is Cn and lord Moon is in Aq). is she telling the truth? i do not see any abortion in the last pregnancy. can you give a feed back on this? i do not find any reason why this pregnency should be terminated. See he 2nd house. Mer, Moon & Ven afflicted by Rahu & Mars (also in badhaka sthana). Seems to be curse of mother from her past life. Moon is also her AK as well as Asc lord.. with Rahu. Not a very good situation - lot of depresion and eccentric behaviour might be there. Ask her to recite Mrityunjaya mantra regularly to. she is running Ju MD. Ju is her DK.. a teaching time for her husband. Regards jk - freudenmann vedic astrology Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:02 AM [vedic astrology] Abortion Dear Guru's and group members My knowledge as Jyotishi is very limited and the theme is too delicate to mess around with it. Therefore I would like to ask humbly for your advice. A 43 year old woman has approached me some time ago with the question on how to appease her mind and God for an abortion she has done about 1 year ago. We came, in a long talk, to the conclusion that taking up yoga exercises and chanting the mantra Om Namaha Shivaya, do meditation daily and pray to God would help to work with this load. Important was to make her understand that God will forgive us only if we forgive ourselves. She has taken up all exercises with extreme care and slowly it seemed as if she could find some peace of mind. Now she has approached me 2 days ago to let me know that she is pregnant again and was scared to death to go through this decision again. Her Husband/Partner does not want the child and is opposing it drastically. He had an operation done in January and now wants to sue the doctor. Their relation is anyway not extremely stable and a 3rd child brings a big conflict between them. She feels blessed to have the chance to do better this time but on the other side faces a single life with 3 children and no money. The lady has a quite difficult chart with 5 planets in the second house. Chart attached. Female, 24/08/1960, 04:10:00, DST/WT 0, Basel (Bale), , Switzerland, Time Zone 1.00, Lat. 47 N 33, Long. 7 E 35, Tithi-2nd Tithi-Dvitiya of Waxing Moon Looking at the Vishottari Dasa we see that she has entered into JU-SA-SA-SA with commencement of this pregnancy. SA retrograde in the 6th house as Lord of 7 and 8 does not indicate a great next future. Even though SA is in the same house with Jupiter both are aspected by MA and RA. JU himself is also tinted by its rulership of the 6th house. SA occupies in the Saptamsha chart the 12th house indicating loss and spiritual lessons to be learned. and Jupiter lords and occupies the 8th house. She is starting her second cycle of Sadhesati on the 09.May.2004. shortly after the birth of the child which means that there is great suffering to come. What is my duty? What should I suggest? I know that abortion is killing and is tabou. But is it my right to judge and say so? Thank you very much for your patience Humbly yours MarcusArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2003 Report Share Posted June 12, 2003 Dear Jk, Thankyou for looking into this chart and this sensitive issue. On raising this chart, In the D7, I get Mars, Lord of Scorpio, in Pisces, so second pregnancy would be female? Everything else seems to be the same as you say. For the third pregnancy Mercury is lord of Virgo in Leo, would that not make the child male? Why do you say female? If there was a loss of the first pregnancy, due to Rahu, would not the 4th pregnancy also be lost, with the inflence of Ketu residing in Cancer? Ketu-mistake ? You mentioned curse of the mother in the second house. Moon is in the second house of the family, so the curse is on the family.Curse of the mother, but why not Venus, curse of the wife, for the family? Mars and Rahu aspect both by graha drishti, but not saturn, so not complete. Anger(Mars) and shock(Rahu) but not grief? ( saturn) Please can you explain about the curse, and how to read the termination aspects. In regard to Marcus's question on an astrologers duty, would it not be appropriate for him to tell his client about the consequences of actions, if it could be done very carefully. As the lady is already in quite a state emotionally, the jyotishi would need to re affirm her confidence in herself first, remind her to have faith in God, who chooses life, and to see all things freshly in every new moment. I feel particularly close to this situation, having lived through something similar myself. The fear of losing the husband, and responsibility for the two living children, has to be addresed in her, as if she just follows blindly what her husband directs, when she knows the truth , she is not allowing him to be the greater man that he could be. Whether the husband chooses to stay or leave, would not she be protected in some way, as she has chosen the truthful route. The truth protects, we do not have to protect the truth. Without a husband, life will be more challenging, as I have also found, but having lost 2 husbands through death, and two pregnancys, I do believe one never loses what you need. It is all lessons, all growth and no mistakes. The only mis-take is our view of reality, and a jyotishi's duty is to bring light or the eyes of the veda to those suffering with a mis-take. Her path is hers to direct, not the astrologers, and we must be careful not take the responsibility of the descision away from the client. we can tell about the climate and the influences andthe consequences but we must not claim the result of our counsel. This comes from God. Thankyou and kind regards, Rosemary - j.k. dasgupta vedic astrology Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:05 PM [vedic astrology] Abortion dear Marcus, if you look at D7, she must have lost her 1st child. D7 lagna is even. so count antizodiac and see that 5th house from Ta (Cp) is afflicted by Rahu. Then 1 male (3rd from Cp is Sc and lord in Ari) & 1 female children (3rd from Sc is Vi and lord in Le..but having parivartana witrh Su). This pregnency must be a female again (3rd from Vi is Cn and lord Moon is in Aq). is she telling the truth? i do not see any abortion in the last pregnency. can you give a feed back on this? i do not find any reason why this pregnency should be terminated. See he 2nd house. Mer, Moon & Ven afflicted by Rahu & Mars (also in badhaka sthana). Seems to be curse of mother from her past life. Moon is also her AK as well as Asc lord.. with Rahu. Not a very good situation - lot of depresion and eccentric behaviour might be there. Ask her to recite Mrityunjaya mantra regularly to. she is running Ju MD. Ju is her DK.. a teaching time for her husband. Regards jk - freudenmann vedic astrology Thursday, June 12, 2003 6:02 AM [vedic astrology] Abortion Dear Guru's and group members My knowledge as Jyotishi is very limited and the theme is too delicate to mess around with it. Therefore I would like to ask humbly for your advice. A 43 year old woman has approached me some time ago with the question on how to appease her mind and God for an abortion she has done about 1 year ago. We came, in a long talk, to the conclusion that taking up yoga exercises and chanting the mantra Om Namaha Shivaya, do meditation daily and pray to God would help to work with this load. Important was to make her understand that God will forgive us only if we forgive ourselves. She has taken up all exercises with extreme care and slowly it seemed as if she could find some peace of mind. Now she has approached me 2 days ago to let me know that she is pregnant again and was scared to death to go through this decision again. Her Husband/Partner does not want the child and is opposing it drastically. He had an operation done in January and now wants to sue the doctor. Their relation is anyway not extremely stable and a 3rd child brings a big conflict between them. She feels blessed to have the chance to do better this time but on the other side faces a single life with 3 children and no money. The lady has a quite difficult chart with 5 planets in the second house. Chart attached. Female, 24/08/1960, 04:10:00, DST/WT 0, Basel (Bale), , Switzerland, Time Zone 1.00, Lat. 47 N 33, Long. 7 E 35, Tithi-2nd Tithi-Dvitiya of Waxing Moon Looking at the Vishottari Dasa we see that she has entered into JU-SA-SA-SA with commencement of this pregnancy. SA retrograde in the 6th house as Lord of 7 and 8 does not indicate a great next future. Even though SA is in the same house with Jupiter both are aspected by MA and RA. JU himself is also tinted by its rulership of the 6th house. SA occupies in the Saptamsha chart the 12th house indicating loss and spiritual lessons to be learned. and Jupiter lords and occupies the 8th house. She is starting her second cycle of Sadhesati on the 09.May.2004. shortly after the birth of the child which means that there is great suffering to come. What is my duty? What should I suggest? I know that abortion is killing and is tabou. But is it my right to judge and say so? Thank you very much for your patience Humbly yours MarcusArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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