Guest guest Posted June 7, 2003 Report Share Posted June 7, 2003 Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, I have some doubts about about the drishtis. I shall appreciate if you can kindly explain to me when one uses Graha drishti and when does one use Rashi drishti. Are the Graha drishtis used primarily in Rasi chart and Graha drishtis in Divisional charts? If both are to be used in all charts how do I choose the relevant one in a given situation. Kind Regards Ramesh Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. http://calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Dear Ramesh, Usually I do not comment on which drishty is to be used where. The reason is that some astrologers use them and some do not. The texts are not clear about when to use them is also a factor.However, I know you as seeker of knowledge hence my comments are below. Others might have different views. It has been my practice to try to understand the reason behind any statement made in the texts, regarding yogas, drishties Padas,Argalas Vedhas Ashtakavargas etc before applying them. It is my habit not to use a system without fully understanding it, call it idiosynchracy of the old. It is my opinion that various systems were deviced by various Pravartakas and Acharyas to arrive at the same truth. Think of them as different routes to ultimate truth. One should use the one that he is most comfortable with, and gets fair percentage of results with. Having said that, I personally use Grahadrishty only(In Natal Charts, as I take strength of planets only from the Vargas or divisional chats), I do not even take into account the drishty of Rahu/Ketu. The reason is that the last two are chayagrahas (or nodal points and not Grahas in the sense that the Planets are), and even their house ownerships and exaltation position are given as different by different Authorities. Coming to rasi drishties, these are fixed drishties, and do not change according to the time of birth of the Jataka, barring in case of drishties of planets in them are considered. This would tend to, in a way, defeat the very foundation of Jyotish if applied to natal or Divisional charts, is my way of thinking. Now this would again create a contradiction whether the sages were wrong? No they were not. When such situation arises the shashtras tell us to reconcile between two apparently opposite statements if both come from the sages. So, I go to the paraspara karaka scheme to understand why Graha drishties are mentioned by the sages. Having done that, and the fact that they are fixed, what I do is to use them only for planets placed in them when considering results of transits with respect to planets in natal chart Natal Chart and Vimshottari Dashas. This, reconciles all the various systems of drishties given by the sages and reconciliation takes place with Tajika system too( if you see the aspects treated as benefic in that system). An example is when Transit Jupiter forms square with natal Jupiter in dual signs, indicating posibility of geting results of house influenced by Natal Jupiter. Again it is said that proof of the pudding is in eating. So one should find out for himself by applying the principles to various chart and decide what system he can implement. Another reason that I prefer the use of griha drishty in this particular fashion si something that is very personal, and some may dispute the logic behind it. The reason is that I prefer to remain as unbiased as possible when analysing a chart. If my predictions fail I prefer to find out where I have gone wrong in application of the principles. Now ,in my opinion, what happens when one's prediction goes wrong is, that there is a tendency to delve in to other varied factrs not looked into earlier like Graha drishties, Padas, Karakamshas, Ashtakvargas, Various Dasha systems, Argalas, Vedhas, Awasthas, sandhis , gandantas,counting in sayva or Apasavya fashion, Curses and doshas etc.not applied earlier, and try to justify one's predictions. Some times one may be tempted to take recourse to the factors mentioned in earlier sentence, to make the horoscope fit the perceived personality of a jataka who one thinks is known to one. I prefer to admit my mistake or inability to properly apply the system I follow and find out where I have gone wrong as this practice invariably teaches me a lot. However this is my personal view and I am also aware that there are many who can handle all these systems to get the results. I go by the Dictum of Lord Krishna where he says "Swdhame NidhanaM shreshtha..." modified to this sort of situation. I hope this helps you to some extent. Chandrashekhar. - Ramesh F. Gangaramani vedic astrology Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:46 AM [vedic astrology] Graha drishti and Rashi drishti Dear Shri Chandrashekharji,I have some doubts about about the drishtis. I shallappreciate if you can kindly explain to me when oneuses Graha drishti and when does one use Rashidrishti. Are the Graha drishtis used primarily in Rasi chartand Graha drishtis in Divisional charts? If both areto be used in all charts how do I choose the relevantone in a given situation. 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Guest guest Posted June 8, 2003 Report Share Posted June 8, 2003 Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, Thank you very much for the efforts you have taken to explain the concept and your view point. Kind regards Ramesh --- Chandrashekhar <boxdel wrote: > Dear Ramesh, > Usually I do not comment on which drishty is to > be used where. The reason is that some astrologers > use them and some do not. The texts are not clear > about when to use them is also a factor.However, I > know you as seeker of knowledge hence my comments > are below. Others might have different views. > It has been my practice to try to understand the > reason behind any statement made in the texts, > regarding yogas, drishties Padas,Argalas Vedhas > Ashtakavargas etc before applying them. It is my > habit not to use a system without fully > understanding it, call it idiosynchracy of the old. > It is my opinion that various systems were > deviced by various Pravartakas and Acharyas to > arrive at the same truth. Think of them as different > routes to ultimate truth. One should use the one > that he is most comfortable with, and gets fair > percentage of results with. > Having said that, I personally use Grahadrishty > only(In Natal Charts, as I take strength of planets > only from the Vargas or divisional chats), I do not > even take into account the drishty of Rahu/Ketu. The > reason is that the last two are chayagrahas (or > nodal points and not Grahas in the sense that the > Planets are), and even their house ownerships and > exaltation position are given as different by > different Authorities. > Coming to rasi drishties, these are fixed > drishties, and do not change according to the time > of birth of the Jataka, barring in case of drishties > of planets in them are considered. This would tend > to, in a way, defeat the very foundation of Jyotish > if applied to natal or Divisional charts, is my way > of thinking. > Now this would again create a contradiction > whether the sages were wrong? No they were not. When > such situation arises the shashtras tell us to > reconcile between two apparently opposite statements > if both come from the sages. So, I go to the > paraspara karaka scheme to understand why Graha > drishties are mentioned by the sages. Having done > that, and the fact that they are fixed, what I do is > to use them only for planets placed in them when > considering results of transits with respect to > planets in natal chart Natal Chart and Vimshottari > Dashas. This, reconciles all the various systems of > drishties given by the sages and reconciliation > takes place with Tajika system too( if you see the > aspects treated as benefic in that system). > An example is when Transit Jupiter forms square > with natal Jupiter in dual signs, indicating > posibility of geting results of house influenced by > Natal Jupiter. > Again it is said that proof of the pudding is in > eating. So one should find out for himself by > applying the principles to various chart and decide > what system he can implement. > Another reason that I prefer the use of griha > drishty in this particular fashion si something that > is very personal, and some may dispute the logic > behind it. The reason is that I prefer to remain as > unbiased as possible when analysing a chart. If my > predictions fail I prefer to find out where I have > gone wrong in application of the principles. Now ,in > my opinion, what happens when one's prediction goes > wrong is, that there is a tendency to delve in to > other varied factrs not looked into earlier like > Graha drishties, Padas, Karakamshas, Ashtakvargas, > Various Dasha systems, Argalas, Vedhas, Awasthas, > sandhis , gandantas,counting in sayva or Apasavya > fashion, Curses and doshas etc.not applied earlier, > and try to justify one's predictions. Some times one > may be tempted to take recourse to the factors > mentioned in earlier sentence, to make the horoscope > fit the perceived personality of a jataka who one > thinks is known to one. > I prefer to admit my mistake or inability to > properly apply the system I follow and find out > where I have gone wrong as this practice invariably > teaches me a lot. > However this is my personal view and I am also aware > that there are many who can handle all these systems > to get the results. I go by the Dictum of Lord > Krishna where he says "Swdhame NidhanaM > shreshtha..." modified to this sort of situation. > I hope this helps you to some extent. > Chandrashekhar. > > > - > Ramesh F. Gangaramani > vedic astrology > Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:46 AM > [vedic astrology] Graha drishti and Rashi > drishti > > > Dear Shri Chandrashekharji, > > I have some doubts about about the drishtis. I > shall > appreciate if you can kindly explain to me when > one > uses Graha drishti and when does one use Rashi > drishti. > > Are the Graha drishtis used primarily in Rasi > chart > and Graha drishtis in Divisional charts? If both > are > to be used in all charts how do I choose the > relevant > one in a given situation. > > Kind Regards > Ramesh > > > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync > to Outlook. > http://calendar. > > Sponsor > > > > > Archives: > vedic astrology > > Group info: > vedic astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to > vedic astrology- > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 |Hare Rama Krishna| Dear Ramesh, I have been taught a different approach to Dristi's than the one Chandrashekar has given. Rasi Dristi First of all Dristi means sight, or 'to see', and this is important in classifying what dristi can do. The western world has started terming this as 'aspects' which doesn't serve the purpose, and maybe used in a different context. See Rasi dristi is based on circumstances, pure and simple. If a planet occupies a house, then the Rasi dristi it shares with other signs/houses, will indicate the surrounding houses. Or in a sense a 'neighborhood'. So we need to indicate what type of neighborhood this is. If only malefics reside in the neighborhood then its not very auspicious for us, and we may get some stress due to this. If benefics, then we will feel pleased to live among good people. Hence Rasi Dristi is a window through which we can literally see the outside circumstances. We cannot see anymore than that. Hence it is through these windows, or sight that we can gather resources or opportunities. This is very important when we start talking of strengths and also deciding our available resources. There is some adition of Abhimukha Rasi in this, which could be dwelved on later on. Graha dristi Now Graha dristi will show the individual traits of the graha. What it wants, to be specific. Malefics have intense desires, and wanted them all fulfilled yesterday.. they will not wait. Hence an easy prediction is that the graha dristi of a malefic graha on any house will cause pain related to that house. Benefics will be otherwise. The intensity of the desire can be decided from the planets chesta bala, and for this we need to learn the motions of planets.. refer BPHS. Now since Graha dristi shows desires, it will also show interested people. i.e. planets having graha dristi on the 11th from the Arudha Lagna will show those people who are interested in your material gains, whilst those having Rasi dristi will actually substantiate your material gains. Example +--------------+| |Ju |Ma Ve |As Su || | |HL |Ra || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||SaR GL | |Me ||Md | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Gk | |Mo AL || | | || | | A7 || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Ke | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ In the given chart the native had established a business, with two other parties. Business is seen from the Darapada (A7) and in this chart the A7 falls in Leo. Leo contains the Moon, and recieves the Rasi dristi of Jupiter, hence these show the two people involved in the business, or actual business partners. Whilst Moon is more indicative of the closer partner, Jupiter shows a more distant role of the partner. Now the Darapada recieves Graha Dristi from Saturn in Aqua and Mars in Taurus. This shows the interested parties in the business, or those who reap benefit from the business and are not an immediate part of it. Saturn indicates entrepeneurs and those charge of storage. Mars indicates engineers or possibly suppliers. The native was one of the biggest computer-suppliers in Asia. The involvement of exports (rahu) and imports (ketu) on an international scheme (Sun) can clearly be seen from the Rasi dristi of planets on Gemini, which is the 11th from his Arudha Lagna. I hope this example goes to show the importance of the two dristi's in predicting even the most mundane of events. When we go into divisional charts, the exact details of the two dristis becomes revealed very easily, one must just understand the context. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2003 Report Share Posted June 9, 2003 Dear Vistiji, Thank you for your valuable explanation. It enhances my learning. I am sure it will benefit others like me too. Kind Regards Ramesh --- Visti Larsen <vishnu wrote: > |Hare Rama Krishna| > Dear Ramesh, > I have been taught a different approach to Dristi's > than the one Chandrashekar has given. > > Rasi Dristi > First of all Dristi means sight, or 'to see', and > this is important in classifying what dristi can do. > The western world has started terming this as > 'aspects' which doesn't serve the purpose, and maybe > used in a different context. > > See Rasi dristi is based on circumstances, pure and > simple. If a planet occupies a house, then the Rasi > dristi it shares with other signs/houses, will > indicate the surrounding houses. Or in a sense a > 'neighborhood'. > > So we need to indicate what type of neighborhood > this is. If only malefics reside in the neighborhood > then its not very auspicious for us, and we may get > some stress due to this. If benefics, then we will > feel pleased to live among good people. Hence Rasi > Dristi is a window through which we can literally > see the outside circumstances. We cannot see anymore > than that. > > Hence it is through these windows, or sight that we > can gather resources or opportunities. This is very > important when we start talking of strengths and > also deciding our available resources. > There is some adition of Abhimukha Rasi in this, > which could be dwelved on later on. > > Graha dristi > Now Graha dristi will show the individual traits of > the graha. What it wants, to be specific. Malefics > have intense desires, and wanted them all fulfilled > yesterday.. they will not wait. Hence an easy > prediction is that the graha dristi of a malefic > graha on any house will cause pain related to that > house. > > Benefics will be otherwise. The intensity of the > desire can be decided from the planets chesta bala, > and for this we need to learn the motions of > planets.. refer BPHS. > > Now since Graha dristi shows desires, it will also > show interested people. i.e. planets having graha > dristi on the 11th from the Arudha Lagna will show > those people who are interested in your material > gains, whilst those having Rasi dristi will actually > substantiate your material gains. > > Example > +--------------+ > | |Ju |Ma Ve |As Su | > | | |HL |Ra | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |SaR GL | |Me | > |Md | | | > | | | | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------| Rasi |-----------| > |Gk | |Mo AL | > | | | | > | | | A7 | > | | | | > | | | | > |-----------+-----------------------+-----------| > |Ke | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > | | | | | > +--------------+ > > In the given chart the native had established a > business, with two other parties. > > Business is seen from the Darapada (A7) and in this > chart the A7 falls in Leo. > > Leo contains the Moon, and recieves the Rasi dristi > of Jupiter, hence these show the two people involved > in the business, or actual business partners. Whilst > Moon is more indicative of the closer partner, > Jupiter shows a more distant role of the partner. > > Now the Darapada recieves Graha Dristi from Saturn > in Aqua and Mars in Taurus. This shows the > interested parties in the business, or those who > reap benefit from the business and are not an > immediate part of it. Saturn indicates entrepeneurs > and those charge of storage. > Mars indicates engineers or possibly suppliers. > > The native was one of the biggest computer-suppliers > in Asia. The involvement of exports (rahu) and > imports (ketu) on an international scheme (Sun) can > clearly be seen from the Rasi dristi of planets on > Gemini, which is the 11th from his Arudha Lagna. > > > I hope this example goes to show the importance of > the two dristi's in predicting even the most mundane > of events. When we go into divisional charts, the > exact details of the two dristis becomes revealed > very easily, one must just understand the context. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. http://calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navneet84 Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Hello all, My name is navneet. I am working in a Multi national company. I am new to this site and the people. I have some queries related to my horoscope. I have shani and Mangal in 9th house (tula rashi). Guru, Shukra, budh and chandra in 11th house (dhanu rashi). Sun in 12th house (capricorn). I want to know since shani in 9th house, it is putting it's 3rd drishti on 11th house where guru, chandra, shukra and budh are resiiding. How is affecting my guru and marriage life. My DOB: 30/01/1984 TOB : 08:55 AM POB : Chandigarh I will be really thankful to you all for answering my query. Thanks and regards Navneet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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