Dear Chandrashekarji

June 7, 2003

Dear Chandrashekarji,

Thanks for your reponse. At the onset there are some views to which I agree that

is if a client gives gurudakshana then it should be accepted. Since I see no

problem with gurudakshana. I also agree that sprituality is being marketed

intodays world and people are using religion for such and such things.

About Notradamus well if u look at it astrology and other religious scriptures

dont differe much as well. U say that people attach things to the scripture as

they see it happen and so on and most of the scripture are indecpherable.

I say a smiliar thing is happen with any other scripture of the past including

astrology. AStrology is written in sanksrit. And ofcourse the people who wrote

them were the creators of sanksrit and much more specialized than the scholars

of today with even their phds. Why because it was a culture then and it was a

tradation then and people followed it since they communicated in sanskrit and

thats how they lived an interacted.

But in todays world we communicate in hindi in english and so many other

languages that sanksrit is not a major part as it was during those times. So I

feel that many of the researcher in astrology have done so many errors in

dichepering the scriptures. If u say that nostradamus quartains were

undiceprhable and people attached events to it as they happen. I say that a

simliar things is happening wiht astrology reserschers in todays morden day are

dicphering and making their own rules and ideas and then publishing them in

books and papers and making money outof these. Books titles as "So and so book

will tell u about Death and life and logetivity" and then making money out of

it. Dont u think a smiliar reasoning can be applied. Atleast Norstradamums wrote

the queartain in the 16th century and U say that they are prone to error over

the past 600 year or so . But what about the vedas they have been written well

over thousands of years. So why cannot their traslations be falsified in the

present day???

With my logic astrology if its considered a divine science should be taught free

of charge but the students of astrology should be well screened by their gurus.

A student who an say I will predict death of a native if the native pays me this

much of if the native forces me to cannot really be a student of astrology

because it goes contrary to the science. If some has found out how to predict

death (which I still believe is not possible because of Gods presence) then I

feel people who claim such things should keep it to their minds. Why becasue at

the onset they are totally wrong. and plus they are doing the bad karma of

marketing incorrect information which can be dangerously used and can cuase much

stress without reason.

About Engineering and astrology. Well Engineering found its roots in

repoductibility. Ofcourse every science has error built into it. And engineers

accept that hence u dont see engineers predicting destiney but rather working

with destiney hand in hand trying to make destiney a better place. By

engineering reproductiblity I mean if u test something then the results of the

test are going to be the same agian and again no matter what. The shuttle

disaster has nothing to with reporductibility and it has everything to do with

maintaennece and ineffeicney. With atrology if a result is possible in one case

it may or may not be possible in another case. If there are 7 charts having

similar combination then the natives might have same feathre or so on. but the

8th chart might be very unique. Engineering dictates that no two pieces of tools

can be manfucutred to the same tolerneces. Then basically how can two charts

having the same combinations lead to certain predictions about a native.

Ofcourse all sciences have error. But engineering mediencei and such sciences

have a lesser degree and probablity of error than astrology. Why I say this is

becasue if u are feeling sick U dont go to an astrologer but u go to a doctor.

Another analogy there are yet people, if they fall sick they go to the doctor

the doctors say nothing can be done then they go to tantrics and black magicians

and astrologer, when they say nothing can be done then they pray to God to help

them out. So what Im trying to reason out here is Why dont we directly pray to

God and spare the trouble of going through the hassle. But atlesat the Doctor

uses his hands and tools to repair a patient and charges money for that. But

astrology, black magic and presripchinb gemstones rest on the unknown results

who knows if they offer anything or not.

Finally I will tell u a story. There was a husband a wife in a cinema hall the

husbnad was Doctor and when they were both watching the movie the wife said to

the husband I have a headache. To which the husband pulled out something from

his pocket and told his wife to keep chewing and not to swallow and that it was

a mircle cure. The wife accept this and kept chewing and after a couple of

mintues the wife said to the husand that my heaches is cured. After they came

out of the cinema hall the wife asked wot medicien was it. The husbadn replied

it was the button of my shirt that u were chewing on.

The moral of the story Dear chandrashekarji is that U have to have faith. And

with all the market value of sprituality in the kali yoga people have lost faith

in God and have turned to astrology and black magic. It is not the fault of the

poeople because people have to try to find a way out. But rather it is the fault

of the black magican or the astrologer who suggest and claim that they will

predict their destiney and so and so is happening because of so and so planet.

This people accept for a while. But after nothing happens and all remedies fail

from gemstone. The only remedy that still remains intact is prayer to God and

His Blessing.

I hope u see where Im coming from

regards

Ums

June 8, 2003

Dear Ums,

You have given an interesting story. However I fail to see the connection to

the topic at hand. Scriptures generally, mean religious texts in any form. So

why do you insist on calling nostradamus predictions as scriptures is beyond

me. I have not said his quatrains are prone to error. Merely that they are

interpreted by people to suit events.

Even about Columbia Shuttle, you have missed my point . In a science where ,

as you say results are repetitive, I think if NASA scientists knew that bad

maintainence and inefficiency as you call it,have not engineers failed to apply

their science in right way resulting in unnecessary loss of life. Do you suggest

that such practice is permissible in what you call "reproductibility"(?)

science?

In Medical practice too you hear of malpractices being filed day in and day

out. Human organs are removed with out consent of paitient and sold to highest

bidder. So are you trying to suggest that this is permissible because the

midical practioner uses his hands and tools? I do not get the logic behind your

arguments.

About praying to God, who has said one should not pray to him and obtain

relief? If some people resort to bad practices, is it logical to blame a

complete class of specialists ? If we apply this logic then entire

engineering,medical and almost all classes of specialists and even workers ,

sexes,races and even animals will have to be labeled as nothing but bad.

Since you are fond of stories, I will give you one. Once Lord Krishan asked

Duryodhana to go find a Gentleman(Sajjan) and also told Yudhishthir to go find

a villain(Durjan). Both returned withou being able to find a single person in

the entire kingdom of Kurus.

Chandrashekhar.

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planck12

vedic astrology

Sunday, June 08, 2003 4:02 AM

[vedic astrology] Dear Chandrashekarji

Dear Chandrashekarji, Thanks for your reponse. At the onset there are some views

to which I agree that is if a client gives gurudakshana then it should be

accepted. Since I see no problem with gurudakshana. I also agree that

sprituality is being marketed intodays world and people are using religion for

such and such things. About Notradamus well if u look at it astrology and other

religious scriptures dont differe much as well. U say that people attach things

to the scripture as they see it happen and so on and most of the scripture are

indecpherable. I say a smiliar thing is happen with any other scripture of the

past including astrology. AStrology is written in sanksrit. And ofcourse the

people who wrote them were the creators of sanksrit and much more specialized

than the scholars of today with even their phds. Why because it was a culture

then and it was a tradation then and people followed it since they communicated

in sanskrit and thats how they lived an interacted. But in todays world we

communicate in hindi in english and so many other languages that sanksrit is

not a major part as it was during those times. So I feel that many of the

researcher in astrology have done so many errors in dichepering the scriptures.

If u say that nostradamus quartains were undiceprhable and people attached

events to it as they happen. I say that a simliar things is happening wiht

astrology reserschers in todays morden day are dicphering and making their own

rules and ideas and then publishing them in books and papers and making money

outof these. Books titles as "So and so book will tell u about Death and life

and logetivity" and then making money out of it. Dont u think a smiliar

reasoning can be applied. Atleast Norstradamums wrote the queartain in the 16th

century and U say that they are prone to error over the past 600 year or so .

But what about the vedas they have been written well over thousands of years.

So why cannot their traslations be falsified in the present day???With my logic

astrology if its considered a divine science should be taught free of charge but

the students of astrology should be well screened by their gurus. A student who

an say I will predict death of a native if the native pays me this much of if

the native forces me to cannot really be a student of astrology because it goes

contrary to the science. If some has found out how to predict death (which I

still believe is not possible because of Gods presence) then I feel people who

claim such things should keep it to their minds. Why becasue at the onset they

are totally wrong. and plus they are doing the bad karma of marketing incorrect

information which can be dangerously used and can cuase much stress without

reason. About Engineering and astrology. Well Engineering found its roots in