Dear Ramadasji

June 6, 2003

Dear Ramadasji,

I have a question. When u analyzed the chat of the native having mars and saturn

combination in the 6th house u said that mars losses his fire because he is in

the Hast nakstara which is rulled by moon and saturn becomes problametic since

it is in the constelattion of U phal and that is rulled by sun and they are

bitter enemies. Agreed

But what happens to the consideration that saturn is in gemini a friendly sign

depositor of which is vargottama and in 4th house whose dispositor is exhalted.

Also in a simliar fashion mars being in inmical sign in virgo and with inmical

planet saturn.

Does that not make the results vice versa mars dasa harmful and saturn dasa

favaroble. and why in ur opinion did u place more importance on the nakshatra

than the sign of the house in which the planets are poisted.

Also if u look at the naksharta one should look at the sub lord of that house

which is moon for the 6th house. Wouldnt that be appropriate.

Another question Im wondering was that u mentioned ketu is in a stressfull

position. I have read that rahu ketu are good in the kendras and konas.

Also if mars is exhalted in capricon and ketu holds tends to behave like mars

since its exhaltion nature of ketu is in scoropio and also MT of ketu is in

scorpio dont u think that ketu in capricon is going to emulate mars being placed

in capricon ofcourse to a different degree but if ketu has the ability to go

into MT in scorpio that means that its nature is like mars and its properties

are like mars and that it is friendly to mars. So if its friendly to mars and

mars is being exhlated in capricon dont u think a smiliar effect would apply on

ketu.

If not why so?

Some questions make me wonder a lot and they make me wonder on the very

existance of humans and mortality. I hope Im not overwhelming U with question.

But I think this is the most appropriate way to learn astrology at least I feel

by asking question and if they have satisfying answers then to consider the for

case and if not then considering the against case. Perhaps thats how mortality

evolves.

I often tend to sit down in meditation when I cannot find answers and through

intuation and GOD I see the light taking me threw if not the right answers

atleast on the path that leads to the right answers.

Neways I will wait for ur response egarly on the above matter.

regards

Ums

June 6, 2003

OM PRADHANA PURUSHESHWARAYA NAMAH

Dear Ums,

Your argument is not valid.Ofcourse ketu acts like Kuja but Ketu is exalted in

vrischika/Dhanu and not in Makara .His activities are not the same as Kuja.Kuja

is Bhratru Karaka and Ketu is Moksha Karaka.Now Moksha will not come easily.The

native will experience a lot of difficulties in life and then finally he leave

everything and surrender to GOD.This leaving everything and surrendering to the

GOD is Ketu's job.But Kuja can not do all these.Kuja rules over

courage,diseases,bhratru,lands,enemies,paternal relations,army,heroic

deeds,power contentions,strifes,cuts,wounds ,fires etc.whereas Ketu signifies

Moksha and Jnana,maternal grandfather,witchcraft,absence of religious faith (

when afflicted ),cheating ,sinful acts,imprisonment,possession by demons and

spirits etc.These are given in Satya Jatakam.When there are so many different

karakas are there for both two ,how both are equal ? How Ketu in Makara is

equivalent to Kuja ? As Ketu is Mokshakaraka,his exaltation in Vrischika

indicates he is responsible to give Moksha as Vrischika is 8th house of Zodiac

which indicates Moksha stana.

Now in the chart given,Ketu is with Gulika in Makara Rasi which is 10th house

and is aspected by vargothama Chara Gnati Karaka Budha,there will be always

some obstacles in his every activity.See 3 planets in his 4th house which is

another Moksha Stana ,so the native suffers a lot to achieve Moksha in this

life but Gulika there in 10th house obstructs.Now see the navamsha,Ketu is with

Guru in Kanya ruled by Budha in 12th house from Navamsha Lagna.Ketu ,the Moksha

karaka is with Guru indicating preceptors ,auspicious celeberations etc. and is

in trine with Shani in makara which indicates clearly ancestors and this kind of

situation is also known as Preta Shaapa.Here it indicates the final rites done

to one of the ancestors was not satisfied by that soul and it is wandering .So

this native may experience a lot of strifes in the life unless this Dosha is

removed by performing the required rituals.Also in this chart Chara AK is Kuja

and is debilitated in Navamsha indicating the native has to leave his anger and

has to experience a lot of strifes in the life to attain renunciation.Anyhow as

Chandra Bala is there as per Shadbala Srength,this will remove many of the ills

in the chart.Worship of Lord Krishna and Godess Durga bestows auspicious results

to him.

Shani dasa will be more painful than Kuja Dasa as Shani in 6th house increases

the results of 6th house ie.,diseases,enemies etc and his sign dispositor Budha

is also Chara Gnati Karaka which gives more problems in matters of health.The

problems may be connected to Stomach and back.

Now I give importance to the planet's postion,its sign dispositor,nakshatra

lord,Its Karakattwa,navamsha position of the planet in question,its strength in

Shadbala,its Ashtaka Varga strength etc.Now if you consider Kuja has in its own

Ashtaka Varga 5 beneficail bindus whereas Shani has only 1 bindu making him a

dire malefic giving inauspicious results in his Dasa unless the native works as

per Shani's Karakattwa and as per his principles.

I hope this helps you.

With best regards,

Ramadas Rao.planck12 <planck12 > wrote:

Dear Ramadasji, I have a question. When u analyzed the chat of the native having

mars and saturn combination in the 6th house u said that mars losses his fire

because he is in the Hast nakstara which is rulled by moon and saturn becomes

problametic since it is in the constelattion of U phal and that is rulled by

sun and they are bitter enemies. Agreed But what happens to the consideration

that saturn is in gemini a friendly sign depositor of which is vargottama and

in 4th house whose dispositor is exhalted. Also in a simliar fashion mars being

in inmical sign in virgo and with inmical planet saturn. Does that not make the

results vice versa mars dasa harmful and saturn dasa favaroble. and why in ur

opinion did u place more importance on the nakshatra than the sign of the house

in which the planets are poisted. Also if u look at the naksharta one should

look at the sub lord of that house which is moon for the 6th house. Wouldnt

that be appropriate. Another question Im wondering was that u mentioned ketu is

in a stressfull position. I have read that rahu ketu are good in the kendras and

konas. Also if mars is exhalted in capricon and ketu holds tends to behave like

mars since its exhaltion nature of ketu is in scoropio and also MT of ketu is

in scorpio dont u think that ketu in capricon is going to emulate mars being

placed in capricon ofcourse to a different degree but if ketu has the ability

to go into MT in scorpio that means that its nature is like mars and its

properties are like mars and that it is friendly to mars. So if its friendly to

mars and mars is being exhlated in capricon dont u think a smiliar effect would

apply on ketu. If not why so? Some questions make me wonder a lot and they make

me wonder on the very existance of humans and mortality. I hope Im not

overwhelming U with question. But I think this is the most appropriate way to

learn astrology at least I feel by asking question and if they have satisfying

answers then to consider the for case and if not then considering the against

case. Perhaps thats how mortality evolves. I often tend to sit down in

meditation when I cannot find answers and through intuation and GOD I see the

light taking me threw if not the right answers atleast on the path that leads

to the right answers. Neways I will wait for ur response egarly on the above

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June 6, 2003

Dear RamadasJi,

Thanks for the response.

I see that you havent really talked about lagna much in your postings. Since

lagna is the most important of all houses. Dont you believe that a strong lagna

is responsible for much of the way life progress.

Ok lets agree for a mintue that all the below mentioned points might give the

native trouble say as per astrology in shani dasa. But during sani antar dasa in

mars MD the native had no problems at all. Dont U think it should have show up

somewhere atleast in a bit along the 22 years of the natives life. In someway or

another, say perhaps accidents (I mean its never too late for an accident) or

say the native could have fallen ill during Mars MD and Saturn anterdasa. Or the

native could have had problems during Rahu MD and saturn Antar Dasa. But this

was not the case why???

Will the native have to wait till saturn MD to experience any and all effects of

saturn? Dont u think something should have been felt during the antara and

pryatnar dasas. Infact Rahu/Venus/Sat or Rahu/Sat/Mar or Rahu/Sat itself should

have caused if not major atleast minor problems say accidents or say minor

stomach upset. I mean if it progressed without any hiccups then how does it make

sense that Saturn MD would bring about all the trouble once and for all.

Secondly if U look at the Chart and analysis of one of our other members a

posting by 'Prashantji - Help this Boy'. If u see the chart of the boy.

Considering just the 6th house and the plaents placed in it. It has saturn which

is exhlated in the 6th house. And the sub lord of moon is saturn itself. So

techincally speaking by just isolating the 6th house one should say that the boy

will not face many health problems in life. Because the malefic planet saturn is

exhlated in this case. And infact more in his case saturn is a yogakarak with

being the owner of a kona. Inspite He faced serious health problems. Why so? I

think the answer lies in lagana. I think Lagna is weak then more problems and if

lagna is strong then many problems get faded away. Dont U think so? We talk

about other houses yet we dont really take into consideration the strength of

lagna.

I had made a previous posting on how important lagna is as compared to lagna

arudha. Even when we start the shoola dasa we compare between lagna and 7th

house and the strongest one starts the dasa. Why dont we rather use AL and the

7th from AL to start the dasa. I think it is because Lagna by itslef is the most

important house that determines health, wealth and life of a native. What are ur

opinions ramadasji.

Finally coming to the question of performing rights. This rather tends to get

along religious lines. I had been reading some other postings and infact the

posting for Prashantji also suggest mars+ketu is forming some kind of a malefic

yoga and this is because some ancestorial rights were not satisfied so I guess

it reasons along the same line as this chart. Which tends to confuse me a lot.

About ketu, well I agree that they have different significations in comparision

to mars. But again Im still confused.

If mars is exhlated in capricoin and saturn is its worst enemy then why the

exhlation? So neways mars is exhlated in capricon and ketu is exhlated in aries.

Similiary it is said that ketu is good in Capricon just as rahu is good incancer

so why do u suggest that it will behave malefically in 10th. If its placed in

capricon and belongs to the same level of hardship and malefic nature as saturn

and mars. Then why would it behave malefically in saturns sign? Dont u think

that ketu in 10th can lead to a work environemnt where the native is not

attached to anyone and performs his work diligently infact being in capricon

dont u think ketu will make him concentrate more on the work he is performing

since he will be disattached to everything else in regards to his work say ketu

bringing up dissattachment from career and leading him to concentrate more and

imporve his work. Cant there be a possiblity that ketu will always keep

thenative busy and will never let him be satisfied making him work more and more

towards the goal and achieving higher heights.

Infact our president KP Adbul Kalam has ketu in the 10th house with mercury and

saturn.

Also mars and saturn cannot this be looked at a positive way. Mars represents

action and saturn represent restriction. And such a combination dont u think

would lead to the native redefining his limits and reaching higher heights since

he would not know where to stop since he would never be satisfied. Cant that be

applicable. I suppose it could equally be. Rajiv Ghandi and indra Gahandi charts

if I recollect all had some kind of exhange between mars and saturn. Infact if

such is the case of counjution then even saturn mars aspect could be considered

very malefic and yet we come acorss charts where this is not the case.

Finally coming down once again to most suprising question. Lets agree all of it

is true in regrads to sani and mars. I think During rahu/sat or mar/sat or so on

something would have been felt atleast some kind of malefic influence. Also I

think lagna plays a very crucial role I think.

The only reason Im asking these question is that, besides the digestive part

problem which on consultation with the Dr resulted in the opinion that the

native eats a lot at irregualr intervels and takes stress at the position he

holds at work. Everything else has been quite off. Not much obstacles. At 22 the

native holds the position of a senior engineer. The only obstalcle at the

present moment is his studies which prevent him from taking a full time job. but

he has contract lined up after 2005 when he finishes his studies to work for a

reputed firm. Dont u think with the saade saati in progress and rahu/venus dasa

Venus in this case is marka planet and is being aspected by saturn too which

shoul dbe bad. Dont u think he should have faced problesm in regards to or

obstacles in his work or education (yeah there was a break in the education but

not a serious one infact everyone who migrates to counties expriences breaks in

education irrespective.

So yeah the only problem till now that has been rightly stated is the digestive

part. Do u think this would move on into a more serious problem like cancer

requiring surgery or do u think it would go away. Again it is said that Saturn

and mars are well placed in Upachaya houses as opposed to the kendras. Because

with age and growth the malefic influence in Upachaya houses imporves the

condition of the native. Is that wrong to assume?

regards

Ums

vedic astrology, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao> wrote:

> SRI RAGHAVENDRAYA NAMAH

> OM PRADHANA PURUSHESHWARAYA NAMAH

> Dear Ums,

> Your argument is not valid.Ofcourse ketu acts like Kuja but Ketu is exalted in