Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Dear learned members, I have had the same problem. I have not been able to reconcile sex and ASC of my children with my chart based on this method. I will also be looking forward to guidence on this. Because of the differences I have started wondering if I need to account for misscarriages or abortions in the analysis. I shall be happy to attach my chart and give details of my children if needed. Kind regards Ramesh --- palsdevi <palsdevi wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya > > Dear respected members, > > I have a chart of my friend who has 2 kids, first a > girl and the second one, boy. I checked his D7 > chart, > to confirm these, but in vain. > > His saptamsa lagna is Aries, an odd sign. So I > counted > zodiacally and the 5th house lord, Sun, is in > Sagittarius > w/o any other planets. It is an odd sign, so > according > to this, the sex of the first child is boy. But in > reality, > it's a girl. > > The 2nd pregnancy lord (7th house) Venus is in it's > own > house Libra, an odd sign w/o any association. Hence > it > has to be a boy. It matches the 2nd issue, in > reality. > > The D7 lagna changes to Pisces, if the time is > changed > by 2 minutes and 6 seconds earlier. Even that does > not > match. Could you please educate me as where I have > gone > wrong. > > My friend's birth data is: > 5 September 1967, 3:22 AM IST, New Delhi. > > Thanks, > Palanivelu L.M > > p.s: I do not know as how to attach his jhd chart to > this > email. Appreciate your input on this regard. > > Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. http://calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha || Dear Palanivelu, There are too many rules and exceptions in predicting the sex of child. There are some standard rules, which can be applied, but that is not sufficient. However ,this is a fertile area for research and much effort needs to be put into it. What we could do is to cross-verify the features/characteristics of child using saptamsa Lagna with the Natal chart of the kid. This can only be done when the child is born, otherwise just experiment and share your research findings with the list. For example, in the chart given, if we move the lagna to Taurus (this would mean an addition of 19 minutes!), then 5L in reverse is Saturn with Moon indicating a girl. The 7L is Mars with Rahu indicating a boy! Now we use Capricorn and Taurus as Lagna for cross-verifying the childs nature. Here Capricorn has a strong Saturn with Moon, indicating child will have a strong Saturn and have a tendecy to worry. This also shows a pessimistic outlook. The girl could be short- tempred (Mars & Rahu in 5th) afflicting the Intelligence .. so on. Similarly the Boy may have nodal influence on his Ascendant as we have Taurus rising in Saptamsa. He will also be hot-headed and impulsive Mars&Rahu on Lagna. Remember COVA chapter 5, Gurudeva says that 5th house is same as 1st house and planets in there has a say on the lagna. A strong Jupiter aspecting the combination keeps the temper under control, hence look for this. Another point, the lord of Lagna of 2nd child is Venus in Marana Sthana in 6H ... points to premature birth! Also, this a males chart, hence 5th house is contrlling and 6th house is Maraka Sthana ... showing to problems with progeny and procreation! So, like this, compare the reading from Saptamsa Chart with that from the Natal Chart and see if it makes sense. My readin could be completely wrong here, but rules I followed is correct, so if nature of the kids are different then Saptamsa Lagna should be different. Experiment with it and let us know. Good Luck & Hope this Helps. Warm Regards Narayan vedic astrology, "palsdevi" <palsdevi> wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya > > Dear respected members, > > I have a chart of my friend who has 2 kids, first a > girl and the second one, boy. I checked his D7 chart, > to confirm these, but in vain. > > His saptamsa lagna is Aries, an odd sign. So I counted > zodiacally and the 5th house lord, Sun, is in Sagittarius > w/o any other planets. It is an odd sign, so according > to this, the sex of the first child is boy. But in reality, > it's a girl. > > The 2nd pregnancy lord (7th house) Venus is in it's own > house Libra, an odd sign w/o any association. Hence it > has to be a boy. It matches the 2nd issue, in reality. > > The D7 lagna changes to Pisces, if the time is changed > by 2 minutes and 6 seconds earlier. Even that does not > match. Could you please educate me as where I have gone > wrong. > > My friend's birth data is: > 5 September 1967, 3:22 AM IST, New Delhi. > > Thanks, > Palanivelu L.M > > p.s: I do not know as how to attach his jhd chart to this > email. Appreciate your input on this regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2003 Report Share Posted June 2, 2003 Om Namah Shivaya Dear Narayanji, Thank you very much for your kind explanation and time. Actually while checking with my friend again, I found out his birth time is 2.32 AM, not 3.22 AM, as wrongly quoted by me. With this time every thing is crystal clear. Please accept my apologies, for the wrong data. With your blessings, Palanivelu L.M vedic astrology, "naaraayana_iyer" <narayan@s...> wrote: > Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha || > > Dear Palanivelu, > > There are too many rules and exceptions in predicting the sex of > child. There are some standard rules, which can be applied, but that > is not sufficient. However ,this is a fertile area for research and > much effort needs to be put into it. > > > What we could do is to cross-verify the features/characteristics of > child using saptamsa Lagna with the Natal chart of the kid. This can > only be done when the child is born, otherwise just experiment and > share your research findings with the list. > > For example, in the chart given, if we move the lagna to Taurus (this > would mean an addition of 19 minutes!), then 5L in reverse is Saturn > with Moon indicating a girl. The 7L is Mars with Rahu indicating a > boy! > > Now we use Capricorn and Taurus as Lagna for cross-verifying the > childs nature. Here Capricorn has a strong Saturn with Moon, > indicating child will have a strong Saturn and have a tendecy to > worry. This also shows a pessimistic outlook. The girl could be short- > tempred (Mars & Rahu in 5th) afflicting the Intelligence .. so on. > > Similarly the Boy may have nodal influence on his Ascendant as we > have Taurus rising in Saptamsa. He will also be hot-headed and > impulsive Mars&Rahu on Lagna. Remember COVA chapter 5, Gurudeva says > that 5th house is same as 1st house and planets in there has a say on > the lagna. A strong Jupiter aspecting the combination keeps the > temper under control, hence look for this. Another point, the lord of > Lagna of 2nd child is Venus in Marana Sthana in 6H ... points to > premature birth! > > Also, this a males chart, hence 5th house is contrlling and 6th house > is Maraka Sthana ... showing to problems with progeny and procreation! > > So, like this, compare the reading from Saptamsa Chart with that from > the Natal Chart and see if it makes sense. > > My readin could be completely wrong here, but rules I followed is > correct, so if nature of the kids are different then Saptamsa Lagna > should be different. Experiment with it and let us know. > > Good Luck & Hope this Helps. > > Warm Regards > Narayan > > > > vedic astrology, "palsdevi" <palsdevi> > wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > > Dear respected members, > > > > I have a chart of my friend who has 2 kids, first a > > girl and the second one, boy. I checked his D7 chart, > > to confirm these, but in vain. > > > > His saptamsa lagna is Aries, an odd sign. So I counted > > zodiacally and the 5th house lord, Sun, is in Sagittarius > > w/o any other planets. It is an odd sign, so according > > to this, the sex of the first child is boy. But in reality, > > it's a girl. > > > > The 2nd pregnancy lord (7th house) Venus is in it's own > > house Libra, an odd sign w/o any association. Hence it > > has to be a boy. It matches the 2nd issue, in reality. > > > > The D7 lagna changes to Pisces, if the time is changed > > by 2 minutes and 6 seconds earlier. Even that does not > > match. Could you please educate me as where I have gone > > wrong. > > > > My friend's birth data is: > > 5 September 1967, 3:22 AM IST, New Delhi. > > > > Thanks, > > Palanivelu L.M > > > > p.s: I do not know as how to attach his jhd chart to this > > email. Appreciate your input on this regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 || Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha || Dear Palanivelu, No problem. Point is, try using the technique I gave and you will see it working and it should work ... that is the whole point of using Saptamsa and the Inidvidual Child Lagna!! So ignore the reading, but use the logic and test it for yourself. Good Luck Warm Regards Narayan vedic astrology, "palsdevi" <palsdevi> wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya > > Dear Narayanji, > > Thank you very much for your kind explanation and time. > Actually while checking with my friend again, I found > out his birth time is 2.32 AM, not 3.22 AM, as wrongly > quoted by me. With this time every thing is crystal clear. > Please accept my apologies, for the wrong data. > > With your blessings, > Palanivelu L.M > > > > vedic astrology, "naaraayana_iyer" > <narayan@s...> wrote: > > Om Gam Glaum Ganapathaye Vighnavinaashine Svaaha || > > > > Dear Palanivelu, > > > > There are too many rules and exceptions in predicting the sex of > > child. There are some standard rules, which can be applied, but > that > > is not sufficient. However ,this is a fertile area for research and > > much effort needs to be put into it. > > > > > > What we could do is to cross-verify the features/characteristics of > > child using saptamsa Lagna with the Natal chart of the kid. This > can > > only be done when the child is born, otherwise just experiment and > > share your research findings with the list. > > > > For example, in the chart given, if we move the lagna to Taurus > (this > > would mean an addition of 19 minutes!), then 5L in reverse is > Saturn > > with Moon indicating a girl. The 7L is Mars with Rahu indicating a > > boy! > > > > Now we use Capricorn and Taurus as Lagna for cross-verifying the > > childs nature. Here Capricorn has a strong Saturn with Moon, > > indicating child will have a strong Saturn and have a tendecy to > > worry. This also shows a pessimistic outlook. The girl could be > short- > > tempred (Mars & Rahu in 5th) afflicting the Intelligence .. so on. > > > > Similarly the Boy may have nodal influence on his Ascendant as we > > have Taurus rising in Saptamsa. He will also be hot-headed and > > impulsive Mars&Rahu on Lagna. Remember COVA chapter 5, Gurudeva > says > > that 5th house is same as 1st house and planets in there has a say > on > > the lagna. A strong Jupiter aspecting the combination keeps the > > temper under control, hence look for this. Another point, the lord > of > > Lagna of 2nd child is Venus in Marana Sthana in 6H ... points to > > premature birth! > > > > Also, this a males chart, hence 5th house is contrlling and 6th > house > > is Maraka Sthana ... showing to problems with progeny and > procreation! > > > > So, like this, compare the reading from Saptamsa Chart with that > from > > the Natal Chart and see if it makes sense. > > > > My readin could be completely wrong here, but rules I followed is > > correct, so if nature of the kids are different then Saptamsa Lagna > > should be different. Experiment with it and let us know. > > > > Good Luck & Hope this Helps. > > > > Warm Regards > > Narayan > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "palsdevi" <palsdevi> > > wrote: > > > Om Namah Shivaya > > > > > > Dear respected members, > > > > > > I have a chart of my friend who has 2 kids, first a > > > girl and the second one, boy. I checked his D7 chart, > > > to confirm these, but in vain. > > > > > > His saptamsa lagna is Aries, an odd sign. So I counted > > > zodiacally and the 5th house lord, Sun, is in Sagittarius > > > w/o any other planets. It is an odd sign, so according > > > to this, the sex of the first child is boy. But in reality, > > > it's a girl. > > > > > > The 2nd pregnancy lord (7th house) Venus is in it's own > > > house Libra, an odd sign w/o any association. Hence it > > > has to be a boy. It matches the 2nd issue, in reality. > > > > > > The D7 lagna changes to Pisces, if the time is changed > > > by 2 minutes and 6 seconds earlier. Even that does not > > > match. Could you please educate me as where I have gone > > > wrong. > > > > > > My friend's birth data is: > > > 5 September 1967, 3:22 AM IST, New Delhi. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Palanivelu L.M > > > > > > p.s: I do not know as how to attach his jhd chart to this > > > email. Appreciate your input on this regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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