Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Aum Namah Shivaya Dear group, To my knowledge none of the reasons cited on the list so far seem to be either appropriate or clear. While the principles of one division of Jyotish may be generally applicable to other divisions, certain principles of Muhurta or Samhita divisions of Jyotish are not applicable to Jataka. For convenience sake one may categorize most principles and significations as having been derived from half a dozen fundamentals. Firstly the natural zodiac with the signs as houses (aries first house, taurus the second and leo the fifth etc). Next is the rulership (lord of the sign). Then nakshatra padas, nakshatra rulers etc. Then derived significations (like the 10th being bad for parents as it is a maraka to both parents, since the 10th is the 7th from the 4th/mother and 2nd from the 9th/father) and so on. So what could be the principle behind Jupiter in Leo being inauspicious? First I will briefly outline the essence of Muhurta Chintamani, Rajamarthanda and Jyotirnibandha. The period when Jupiter is in Leo or Capricorn or retrograde or atichari or conjunct the sun, is deemed inauspicious. All the auspicious activities that are avoided when Jupiter or Venus is combust, are to be avoided even in the above periods. So too in a paksha (lunar fortnight) of 13 days. Jupiter is deemed defective when it is in Capricorn as it is debilited. Retrograde and atichari refer to the motion and speed. What about the other two? Jupiter conjunct the Sun or in Sun's sign, are both inauspicious. While combust Jupiter is inauspicious at all times, Jupiter in Sun's sign (leo) is deemed bad only in the four quarters of magha nakshatra and first quarter of poorvaphalguni. The rest of Leo is acceptable to all parts of India except the places between the ganges and the godavari rivers, especially in Kalinga (from Rajahmundry to Souther Orissa), Gauda (northern orissa to central bengal), madhya desa (central India, and gaur (gujarat). Jupiter in the remaining parts of Leo is acceptable in all other areas to the south of godavari and north of ganges. Furthermore, if the Sun is exalted (in Aries), it will not be harmful to Jupiter in Leo. When the Sun is in Aries, Jupiter in Leo is deemed auspicious. Vargottama Jupiter in Leo is considered inauspicious and rejected at all times (Jup in Leo in both rasi and navamsa, and this happens only in the first quarter of Poorvaphalguni ruled by the Sun. Each nakshatra quarter is ruled by a planet which is the basis of the navamsa chakra, which shows the inner nature of things). Some say that Jupiter in Leo is inauspicious during the year when the full moon in the month of Magha happens to be in magha nakshatra. In a nutshell, Jupiter in Leo is considered bad when it is in magha nakshatra, or 1st qrt of poorvaphalguni only. This is said to spoil Jupiter. But if the dispositor Sun is exalted, Jupiter in Leo can be auspicious. A vargottama simha guru can be very inauspicious. Thus Jupiter's inauspiciousness in Leo seems to be more related to Magha nakshatra and the dispositor Sun. It should be remembered that just as in Mundane astrology, even in Muhurta, certain planetary combinations, aspects etc influence certain places more while other areas may be relatively unaffected. Recently someone raised the issue of Agni nakshatra. There also, the nakshatra rulers and their functions affect only specific areas. Consider this. Sun's transit in Agni nakshatra (Rohini karte) is said to result in intense heat. But is it applicable in a place like Australia when these months happen to be a relatively cold season? Sun's transit through various nakshatras and the results ascribed in Jyotish Samhita (mundane astrology) are not universally applicable. Even the texts indicate that certain results are felt in certain areas more markedly. It is unwise therefore to extend certain principles of Samhita or Muhurta to Jataka, though generally speaking various divisions of Jyotish share certain common principles. Such attempts should be done only after one has gained sufficient knowledge of the main principles of all the six divisions of Jyotish. There is more to all this. But I have no time to go into it now. Regards, Satya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2003 Report Share Posted May 30, 2003 Dear Shri Satyaprakash ji, Sorry to interfere in the discussion. Thanks for the elucidation of Gurus position in Leo. However that gives rise to a few doubts ( pardon me, .....they are very basic) It is not clear why Guru is bad in all 4 padas of Magha and the first pada of poorvaphalguni only? If a native has this placement what is the remedy? Does the situation change if Guru is a Badhaka in the horoscope? What if Guru is in a marana sthana in Leo in the above padas? What if Guru is both Badhaka and in Maranakaraka sthana in the above padas? Would be grateful if we get answers to the above questions.. namaskaars.. sriram nayak Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary wrote: Aum Namah Shivaya Dear group, To my knowledge none of the reasons cited on the list so far seem to be either appropriate or clear. While the principles of one division of Jyotish may be generally applicable to other divisions, certain principles of Muhurta or Samhita divisions of Jyotish are not applicable to Jataka. For convenience sake one may categorize most principles and significations as having been derived from half a dozen fundamentals. Firstly the natural zodiac with the signs as houses (aries first house, taurus the second and leo the fifth etc). Next is the rulership (lord of the sign). Then nakshatra padas, nakshatra rulers etc. Then derived significations (like the 10th being bad for parents as it is a maraka to both parents, since the 10th is the 7th from the 4th/mother and 2nd from the 9th/father) and so on. So what could be the principle behind Jupiter in Leo being inauspicious? First I will briefly outline the essence of Muhurta Chintamani, Rajamarthanda and Jyotirnibandha. The period when Jupiter is in Leo or Capricorn or retrograde or atichari or conjunct the sun, is deemed inauspicious. All the auspicious activities that are avoided when Jupiter or Venus is combust, are to be avoided even in the above periods. So too in a paksha (lunar fortnight) of 13 days. Jupiter is deemed defective when it is in Capricorn as it is debilited. Retrograde and atichari refer to the motion and speed. What about the other two? Jupiter conjunct the Sun or in Sun's sign, are both inauspicious. While combust Jupiter is inauspicious at all times, Jupiter in Sun's sign (leo) is deemed bad only in the four quarters of magha nakshatra and first quarter of poorvaphalguni. The rest of Leo is acceptable to all parts of India except the places between the ganges and the godavari rivers, especially in Kalinga (from Rajahmundry to Souther Orissa), Gauda (northern orissa to central bengal), madhya desa (central India, and gaur (gujarat). Jupiter in the remaining parts of Leo is acceptable in all other areas to the south of godavari and north of ganges. Furthermore, if the Sun is exalted (in Aries), it will not be harmful to Jupiter in Leo. When the Sun is in Aries, Jupiter in Leo is deemed auspicious. Vargottama Jupiter in Leo is considered inauspicious and rejected at all times (Jup in Leo in both rasi and navamsa, and this happens only in the first quarter of Poorvaphalguni ruled by the Sun. Each nakshatra quarter is ruled by a planet which is the basis of the navamsa chakra, which shows the inner nature of things). Some say that Jupiter in Leo is inauspicious during the year when the full moon in the month of Magha happens to be in magha nakshatra. In a nutshell, Jupiter in Leo is considered bad when it is in magha nakshatra, or 1st qrt of poorvaphalguni only. This is said to spoil Jupiter. But if the dispositor Sun is exalted, Jupiter in Leo can be auspicious. A vargottama simha guru can be very inauspicious. Thus Jupiter's inauspiciousness in Leo seems to be more related to Magha nakshatra and the dispositor Sun. It should be remembered that just as in Mundane astrology, even in Muhurta, certain planetary combinations, aspects etc influence certain places more while other areas may be relatively unaffected. Recently someone raised the issue of Agni nakshatra. There also, the nakshatra rulers and their functions affect only specific areas. Consider this. Sun's transit in Agni nakshatra (Rohini karte) is said to result in intense heat. But is it applicable in a place like Australia when these months happen to be a relatively cold season? Sun's transit through various nakshatras and the results ascribed in Jyotish Samhita (mundane astrology) are not universally applicable. Even the texts indicate that certain results are felt in certain areas more markedly. It is unwise therefore to extend certain principles of Samhita or Muhurta to Jataka, though generally speaking various divisions of Jyotish share certain common principles. Such attempts should be done only after one has gained sufficient knowledge of the main principles of all the six divisions of Jyotish. There is more to all this. But I have no time to go into it now. Regards, Satya ------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get a FREE REFINANCE QUOTE - click here! http://us.click./2CXtTB/ca0FAA/ySSFAA/.8XolB/TM ---~-> || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 Dear Satya, What you have written corresponds to what I read, except mine were not in muhurta texts but in texts related to mantras. Being Bengali texts they consider Jupiter in Leo, and when atichari, retro and debilitated to be bad for muhurta. This applies to all nakshatras and not only to Makha. Best regards, Sarbani Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary [satyaprakasika (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Friday, May 30, 2003 9:10 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Re: Jupiter in simha (leo)Aum Namah ShivayaDear group,To my knowledge none of the reasons cited on the list so far seem to be either appropriate or clear. While the principles of one division of Jyotish may be generally applicable to other divisions, certain principles of Muhurta or Samhita divisions of Jyotish are not applicable to Jataka. For convenience sake one may categorize most principles and significations as having been derived from half a dozen fundamentals. Firstly the natural zodiac with the signs as houses (aries first house, taurus the second and leo the fifth etc). Next is the rulership (lord of the sign). Then nakshatra padas, nakshatra rulers etc. Then derived significations (like the 10th being bad for parents as it is a maraka to both parents, since the 10th is the 7th from the 4th/mother and 2nd from the 9th/father) and so on. So what could be the principle behind Jupiter in Leo being inauspicious? First I will briefly outline the essence of Muhurta Chintamani, Rajamarthanda and Jyotirnibandha. The period when Jupiter is in Leo or Capricorn or retrograde or atichari or conjunct the sun, is deemed inauspicious. All the auspicious activities that are avoided when Jupiter or Venus is combust, are to be avoided even in the above periods. So too in a paksha (lunar fortnight) of 13 days. Jupiter is deemed defective when it is in Capricorn as it is debilited. Retrograde and atichari refer to the motion and speed. What about the other two? Jupiter conjunct the Sun or in Sun's sign, are both inauspicious. While combust Jupiter is inauspicious at all times, Jupiter in Sun's sign (leo) is deemed bad only in the four quarters of magha nakshatra and first quarter of poorvaphalguni. The rest of Leo is acceptable to all parts of India except the places between the ganges and the godavari rivers, especially in Kalinga (from Rajahmundry to Souther Orissa), Gauda (northern orissa to central bengal), madhya desa (central India, and gaur (gujarat). Jupiter in the remaining parts of Leo is acceptable in all other areas to the south of godavari and north of ganges. Furthermore, if the Sun is exalted (in Aries), it will not be harmful to Jupiter in Leo. When the Sun is in Aries, Jupiter in Leo is deemed auspicious. Vargottama Jupiter in Leo is considered inauspicious and rejected at all times (Jup in Leo in both rasi and navamsa, and this happens only in the first quarter of Poorvaphalguni ruled by the Sun. Each nakshatra quarter is ruled by a planet which is the basis of the navamsa chakra, which shows the inner nature of things). Some say that Jupiter in Leo is inauspicious during the year when the full moon in the month of Magha happens to be in magha nakshatra. In a nutshell, Jupiter in Leo is considered bad when it is in magha nakshatra, or 1st qrt of poorvaphalguni only. This is said to spoil Jupiter. But if the dispositor Sun is exalted, Jupiter in Leo can be auspicious. A vargottama simha guru can be very inauspicious. Thus Jupiter's inauspiciousness in Leo seems to be more related to Magha nakshatra and the dispositor Sun.It should be remembered that just as in Mundane astrology, even in Muhurta, certain planetary combinations, aspects etc influence certain places more while other areas may be relatively unaffected. Recently someone raised the issue of Agni nakshatra. There also, the nakshatra rulers and their functions affect only specific areas. Consider this. Sun's transit in Agni nakshatra (Rohini karte) is said to result in intense heat. But is it applicable in a place like Australia when these months happen to be a relatively cold season? Sun's transit through various nakshatras and the results ascribed in Jyotish Samhita (mundane astrology) are not universally applicable. Even the texts indicate that certain results are felt in certain areas more markedly. It is unwise therefore to extend certain principles of Samhita or Muhurta to Jataka, though generally speaking various divisions of Jyotish share certain common principles. Such attempts should be done only after one has gained sufficient knowledge of the main principles of all the six divisions of Jyotish. There is more to all this. But I have no time to go into it now. Regards,Satya Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2003 Report Share Posted May 31, 2003 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Sanjay, Timing of marriage is also done, taking into consideration the transit of Guru atop Venus and Guru's aspect over Venus. Taking the exaltation point of Venus(Pisces) Guru's transit of Simha is not favourable. Similar is the case with the Moolatrikona position(Libra) of Venus(in this case Guru occupies the Bhadaka kshetra). As regards the own house Vrishabha Guru's placement in 4th indicates an attitude and act of Dhyana on the part of Guru sitting in the Hiranyagarbha of the Kaalapurusha.The fourth state is called as Turya. It is a period of Tapas. A time for indwelling. i remember one or two stories in this regard. Story 1. Mother Parasakthi in her voice which has no parallel was one day enquiring everyone who had assembled before her as to what were their needs, to which everyone had their own demands. When the turn came to Adisankara he started crying. Mother enquired as to what was the reason as she had not posed any disturbing question. Sankara replied that Mother all these days i was under the impression that i was living in your womb and that whatever you were seing was being seen by me and whatever being consumed by you was being consumed by me. Now that you had taken me out of your womb/Garbhagriha and in a most unkindly manner you are asking me to have a separate existence and related wants...!!! Is not Simha kshetra, Hari sthana? Was not the Lord inside the pillar/post when Prahalada pointed it to Hiranyakashipu?(infact this is one of the logic/belief in worshipping Salagramas/stones - LORD IS INSIDE the moment you believe [pranapratishta]). Story 2:- Devas and asuras decided to churn the milky ocean on dasami. On Ekadashi they had to face an encounter with alakaala(poison), on account of which the work was abandoned by them abruptly. They took refuge in Kailash where Lord Shiva consumed/drank the poison for the benefit of one and all. The work was resumed on Dvadashi when they got so many gifts from the ocean like airavatha(white elephant) kousthuba etc.. Then finally came the Nectar over which there was a struggle as to who should consume first. They finally agreed to the distribution of the same by Mohini(Lord in disguise). When Devas were being given the nectar one of the asura in disguise partook the nectar which was seen and objected to, by Surya and Chandra deva. The head of the asura was immediately cut as a punishment - the two halves became rahu and ketu. Why such an unpleasant event should take place? This was being contemplated later on. Both the parties understood their mistake, that they had made Lord Kailashapati to drink the poison but forgot him completely when they received the nectar.(Rahu represents poison and ketu represents mistake). As an act of repentance they all marched towards Kailash on the Tryodashi day. They were kept on the door steps by Nandi. It was Sandhya period. The Lord was totally involved in Aananda Thandava(dance) at the time. Through the horns of Nandi the dance was being visualised by both the parties. When the dance was over the Lord in all merciful manner forgave their misdeed and blessed them. This period came to be later known as Pradosha. For all those who realise their mistakes and seek pardon Pradosha is the best period for getting the blessings of the Lord. DevaGuru Brihaspati treats the entire period of travel through the aranya of Simha as a period of Pradosha - a period when the 'DHI' melts in the Inner effulgence and remains in SAMADHI. AUM SHANTHI SHANTHI SHANTHIHI. Happily/happy to be yours, psramanrayanan HCL Beanstalk PCs. You could win one Interested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2003 Report Share Posted June 1, 2003 Could you please write with bigger letters- otherwise I'll have to buy exclusive Sanjay-glasses for reading your posts. Either way, I'll read your messages- Thanks. Anna Sanjay Rath <daivagyna (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote: |brihaspatim varenyam| Dear Sriram Satya was talking about Muhurta and not Jataka and has clearly mentioned this as well as the fact that this is one of the *rules* that are different for Jataka and Muhurta. In Jataka, Jupiter in Magha is a Rajyoga by itself. If 7th Lord then it comes with marriage I guess. If badhaka then also it comes with marriage, and with conditions... If in marana karaka then it comes with marriage, and with conditions, and a lot of effort... Hope that helps... One more crucial point. This transit is not good for some worldly things related to Venus affairs like marriage etc, but it is superb for spiritual/Sun related work. As Deepak Nair has correctly pointed out - this is a crucial time to say and learn the shiva mantras etc. ~ om tat sat ~ Yours truly, Sanjay Rath --------------------------- H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com --------------------------- sriram nayak [sriram.nayak (AT) oracle (DOT) com]Friday, May 30, 2003 10:12 PMTo: vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Jupiter in simha (leo) Dear Shri Satyaprakash ji, Sorry to interfere in the discussion. Thanks for the elucidation of Gurus position in Leo. However that gives rise to a few doubts ( pardon me, .....they are very basic) It is not clear why Guru is bad in all 4 padas of Magha and the first pada of poorvaphalguni only? If a native has this placement what is the remedy? Does the situation change if Guru is a Badhaka in the horoscope? What if Guru is in a marana sthana in Leo in the above padas? What if Guru is both Badhaka and in Maranakaraka sthana in the above padas? Would be grateful if we get answers to the above questions.. namaskaars.. sriram nayak Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Free online calendar with sync to Outlook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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