Same Shastyamsas in Two Different Charts

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Jaya JagannathDear Mr. Gupta and Jyotishas,

 

When you take up time of locations situated far away, one should take into

consideration the the time difference also. For illustration, if two persons

are born even at the same moment at two different places separated by lets say

15 degree longitude, then their birth is separated by 60 min, as Sun travels

over each longitude at the rate of 4min per longitude.

 

The charts you presented would be two completely different charts.

 

However, there is a theoretical possibility that even two charts even have same

shastyamsa (even though different other vargas), widely separated by birth

time. This becomes a trouble... as we say that Shastyamsa is the chart of past

life and defines to maximum extent our destiny in this life. Just have a look

in the D-60 of the charts.

 

What are your opinions Jyotisha!

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

PS. The charts are not real life chart, but created by me (Hmmm.... there is

still one way to escape.. by saying this would not happen in real life.

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Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:03 PM

[vedic astrology] An Interesting Comparison for Astrology Study

|om namo narayanaya|

 

Dear Gurus,

 

Recently, I came across a person with a chart quite similar to my daughter. It was quite amazing.

 

His birth details are:

 

Chart gpb.jhd

 

Sept. 7, 1975Thompson, Manitoba, Canada9:35 AM

 

GP got interested in astrology quite recently and is a doctor.

 

My daughter's details are -

 

Chart ng.jhd

 

Sep 2, 19759:22 amGurgaon, India

 

My daughter works with an IT company as a communication and marketing professional.

 

I thought that it will make interesting study to find out how things are

different with so much similarity.

 

Regds,NC Gupta

 

|om tat sat|

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Jaya JagannathDear Jyotishas,

 

Forgot to send the charts... Please find them attached.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

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Friday, May 30, 2003 9:16 AM

[vedic astrology] Same Shastyamsas in Two Different Charts

Jaya JagannathDear Mr. Gupta and Jyotishas,

 

When you take up time of locations situated far away, one should take into

consideration the the time difference also. For illustration, if two persons

are born even at the same moment at two different places separated by lets say

15 degree longitude, then their birth is separated by 60 min, as Sun travels

over each longitude at the rate of 4min per longitude.

 

The charts you presented would be two completely different charts.

 

However, there is a theoretical possibility that even two charts even have same

shastyamsa (even though different other vargas), widely separated by birth

time. This becomes a trouble... as we say that Shastyamsa is the chart of past

life and defines to maximum extent our destiny in this life. Just have a look

in the D-60 of the charts.

 

What are your opinions Jyotisha!

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

PS. The charts are not real life chart, but created by me (Hmmm.... there is

still one way to escape.. by saying this would not happen in real life.

-

NC Gupta

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Thursday, May 29, 2003 1:03 PM

[vedic astrology] An Interesting Comparison for Astrology Study

|om namo narayanaya|

 

Dear Gurus,

 

Recently, I came across a person with a chart quite similar to my daughter. It was quite amazing.

 

His birth details are:

 

Chart gpb.jhd

 

Sept. 7, 1975Thompson, Manitoba, Canada9:35 AM

 

GP got interested in astrology quite recently and is a doctor.

 

My daughter's details are -

 

Chart ng.jhd

 

Sep 2, 19759:22 amGurgaon, India

 

My daughter works with an IT company as a communication and marketing professional.

 

I thought that it will make interesting study to find out how things are

different with so much similarity.

 

Regds,NC Gupta

 

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Dear Sarajit,

Namaste. The chart having the birth time of 9hrs24mtsand 6secs indicates the

birth of Manushya/human birth while the chart having the birth time of

8hrs59mts and 50 secs indicates the birth of quadruped. This is based on

navamsadwadasamsa method of checking the yoni/viyoni signs. Add 1 minute to the

chart having 8hrs 59mts and 50secs as birth time and you will get a different

shastyamsa(Mithuna rising) and Manushya birth. When the births are of two

different types the question of comparison doesnot arise though the charts

speak of the same shastyamsa.

Best wishes.

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dear Ramnaryan ji,

 

Can you plz elaborate more on navamsadwadasamsa method of checking the yoni/viyoni signs?

 

Regards

 

Dasgupta

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Friday, May 30, 2003 8:10 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Same Shastyamsas in Two Different Charts

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Sarajit,

Namaste. The chart having the birth time of 9hrs24mtsand 6secs indicates the

birth of Manushya/human birth while the chart having the birth time of

8hrs59mts and 50 secs indicates the birth of quadruped. This is based on

navamsadwadasamsa method of checking the yoni/viyoni signs. Add 1 minute to the

chart having 8hrs 59mts and 50secs as birth time and you will get a different

shastyamsa(Mithuna rising) and Manushya birth. When the births are of two

different types the question of comparison doesnot arise though the charts

speak of the same shastyamsa.

Best wishes.

Astrologically yours,

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SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Sanjayji and Jkji,

Namaste. Chapter III Quarter IV para 3.4.27 of Upadesa Sutras gives a hint about

viyoni signs, manifold birth and Dwadasamsa. From this we can understand that

the human signs are Mithuna, kanya, Thula, first half of Dhanu and Kumbha. Shri

Mahendra Pratap Singh the author of the book " Planets in Orbit (Transit)" has

given that Navamsa - dvadasamsa as one of the methods of birth rectification.

He says that if the lagna in the Navamsa - dvadasamsa chart falls in odd sign

then the birth is to be considered as male while if it is even signs then the

birth is to be considered as female.In the preface to the book he has stated

that he has taken materials for the book from Great Grand Old Masters but has

not mentioned the source. i believe it has been culled out from Nadi works. i

have taken these two hints and have been using the following methods for birth

rectification.

Step 1. Male/female verification:- For this i have been using the vighathi

method as taught in Upadesa Sutras - Chapter IV Quarter III Paras 4.3.3 to

4.3.12.

Step 2. Yoni/Viyoni sign fixation as per navamsa-dvadasamsa:- The method is given below:-

Navamsa:-For finding Navamsa multiply the longitude of ascendant by 9 after

converting it into degrees.Expunge, multiples of 360* from the product and

resultant will be Navamsa position of the Ascendant in degrees. For calculating

"Navamsa - Dvadasamsa the navamsa longitude is multiplied by 12 and the signs

ommitted earlier are added. This will give the navamsa-dvadasamsa position of

the ascendant.(i don't use this method for casting navamsa chart in general.

This way of caluculating is specific and is for the purpose of finding out the

navamsa-dvadasamsa ascendant).

Example: Longitude of Ascendant is 243* 47'.

Navamsa: 243*.78333 x 9 =2194*.05. Expunging multiples of 360*, we get 34*.05

which is 1sign 4* 3' or Vrishabha 4*3'. This is the position of Ascendant in

Navamsa.

Navamsa - Dvadasamsa:- The navamsa longitude devoid of signs (i.e 4*.05) is

multiplied by 12 i.e 4*.05 x 12 = 48*.6 = 1signs 18* 36'. The ommitted sign

viz. 1 is added to this i.e. 1signs 18* 36' + 1 sign = 2signs 18* 36'.

Therefore the navamsa-dvadasamsa of the planet is 2signs 18* 36' or Gemini 18*

36'.

As per Upadesa sutras Gemini is yoni/human sign and the birth is therefore is

human/manushya. For every one minue change in the birth time there is a

corresponding change in the ascendant in Navamsa - dvadasamsa chart.

Manushya/Biped signs: - Mithuna,Kanya, Thula, 1st half of dhanu(parasara hora shastra) and Kumbha.

Quadruped signs:- Mesha, Vrishabha, Simha and 2nd half of Dhanu and 1st half of Makara.

Centipede signs:- Kataka & Vrischikha

Footless signs:- Meena & 2nd half of Makara.

After finding out the female/male birth from the vighathi method i do the

checking up of yoni/viyoni signs using the navamsa-dvadasamsa method mentioned

above. i had therefore mentioned in my earlier mail, that the births are of two

different types and therefore the comparison of Shastyamsa/chart does not arise.

In case we add 1 minute to rectify the birth time so as to fix the lagna in

navamsa - dvadasamsa in human sign then, the shastyamsa chart automatically

under goes a change.

i hope i have made myself clear. i believe i have shared whatever i have in this

regard. Oh illumined ones, i have been picking up things all alone. i believe

whatever i have gained is on account of blessings of Mother Kali. If you find

mistakes in my methodology then it is me who is solely to be blamed for not

being able to undestand the principles in the correct way as is being projected

by Mother.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayanan

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Thanks Ramnarayananji very much for the beautifull and elaborate mail. it is out

of my ability to comment on this. let Sanjayji kindly elaborate on this further.

 

 

but i must appreciate, that you have spent much time in such studies - which are

now beneficial to people like me.

 

regards

 

dasgupta

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Friday, May 30, 2003 10:40 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Same Shastyamsas in Two Different Charts

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Sanjayji and Jkji,

Namaste. Chapter III Quarter IV para 3.4.27 of Upadesa Sutras gives a hint about

viyoni signs, manifold birth and Dwadasamsa. From this we can understand that

the human signs are Mithuna, kanya, Thula, first half of Dhanu and Kumbha. Shri

Mahendra Pratap Singh the author of the book " Planets in Orbit (Transit)" has

given that Navamsa - dvadasamsa as one of the methods of birth rectification.

He says that if the lagna in the Navamsa - dvadasamsa chart falls in odd sign

then the birth is to be considered as male while if it is even signs then the

birth is to be considered as female.In the preface to the book he has stated

that he has taken materials for the book from Great Grand Old Masters but has

not mentioned the source. i believe it has been culled out from Nadi works. i

have taken these two hints and have been using the following methods for birth

rectification.

Step 1. Male/female verification:- For this i have been using the vighathi

method as taught in Upadesa Sutras - Chapter IV Quarter III Paras 4.3.3 to

4.3.12.

Step 2. Yoni/Viyoni sign fixation as per navamsa-dvadasamsa:- The method is given below:-

Navamsa:-For finding Navamsa multiply the longitude of ascendant by 9 after

converting it into degrees.Expunge, multiples of 360* from the product and

resultant will be Navamsa position of the Ascendant in degrees. For calculating

"Navamsa - Dvadasamsa the navamsa longitude is multiplied by 12 and the signs

ommitted earlier are added. This will give the navamsa-dvadasamsa position of

the ascendant.(i don't use this method for casting navamsa chart in general.

This way of caluculating is specific and is for the purpose of finding out the

navamsa-dvadasamsa ascendant).

Example: Longitude of Ascendant is 243* 47'.

Navamsa: 243*.78333 x 9 =2194*.05. Expunging multiples of 360*, we get 34*.05

which is 1sign 4* 3' or Vrishabha 4*3'. This is the position of Ascendant in

Navamsa.

Navamsa - Dvadasamsa:- The navamsa longitude devoid of signs (i.e 4*.05) is

multiplied by 12 i.e 4*.05 x 12 = 48*.6 = 1signs 18* 36'. The ommitted sign

viz. 1 is added to this i.e. 1signs 18* 36' + 1 sign = 2signs 18* 36'.

Therefore the navamsa-dvadasamsa of the planet is 2signs 18* 36' or Gemini 18*

36'.

As per Upadesa sutras Gemini is yoni/human sign and the birth is therefore is

human/manushya. For every one minue change in the birth time there is a

corresponding change in the ascendant in Navamsa - dvadasamsa chart.

Manushya/Biped signs: - Mithuna,Kanya, Thula, 1st half of dhanu(parasara hora shastra) and Kumbha.

Quadruped signs:- Mesha, Vrishabha, Simha and 2nd half of Dhanu and 1st half of Makara.

Centipede signs:- Kataka & Vrischikha

Footless signs:- Meena & 2nd half of Makara.

After finding out the female/male birth from the vighathi method i do the

checking up of yoni/viyoni signs using the navamsa-dvadasamsa method mentioned

above. i had therefore mentioned in my earlier mail, that the births are of two

different types and therefore the comparison of Shastyamsa/chart does not arise.

In case we add 1 minute to rectify the birth time so as to fix the lagna in

navamsa - dvadasamsa in human sign then, the shastyamsa chart automatically

under goes a change.

i hope i have made myself clear. i believe i have shared whatever i have in this

regard. Oh illumined ones, i have been picking up things all alone. i believe

whatever i have gained is on account of blessings of Mother Kali. If you find

mistakes in my methodology then it is me who is solely to be blamed for not

being able to undestand the principles in the correct way as is being projected

by Mother.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayanan

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AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

 

Dear Sanjay,

 

Thank you for the quick response and the encouraging words. i got the phone

number of Shri Mahendra Pratap Singh from the Annual Number of Astrological

Magazine. He is a resident of Varanasi. i spoke to him this morning about the

source of Navamsa-dvadasamsa for which he replied that he had picked it up from

Prasna Marga. He gave me his email address. i have written to him seeking the

source and have requested him to explain in detail. i am waiting for his reply.

Meanwhile i scanned the Prasna Marga. i found the calculation details about

Navamsa-dvadasamsa under the Chaper(N0.XVIII) Santhathi Prasna.

Stanza 110:- Birth may occur in the Dwadasamsa rasi of lagna or the Navamsa rasi

of the lord of the dwadasamsa rasi. These happening to be trines (to the lagna)

or having sambandha chatustaya varga are a further confirmation....

Stanza 112. The varga Chatushtaya is thus obtained. Navamsa by multiplying a

planet's longitude by Navamsa; Nava Navamsa by multiplying a planet's longitude

by 81; Navamsa-dwadasamsa - The Navamsa longitude devoid of sign is multiplied

by 12 and the signs omitted earlier are added; and Dwadasamsa- multiplying the

longitude of a planet devoid of signs by 12 and adding to the result, the

original rasis earlier omitted.

 

Late B.V.RAMAN had given the details of calculation in his Notes below the stanza.

 

i thank Mother for being so merciful in helping me to trace Shri.Mahendra Pratap

Singh and to trace the source of Navamsa-dwadasamsa. When there is Prasna we

seek the Almighty for help who mercifully shows the Marga.

 

"OM SHRI SAKTHI BHAGAWATHI NARAYANI NAMO NAMAH"

 

Astrologically yours,

 

p.s.ramanarayananSanjay Rath <daivagyna (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

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Dear Ramnarayan

1. The quote from Upadesa Sutra relates to the CONCEPTION chart only. Although I

don't have the book for reference here, I think I know these sutras well.

2. Ask Shri Mahendra Pratap singh for a quote from the scriptures - till such

time, I will not accept this. The D-108 is calculated in two ways and the

Jagannath Hora 5.0 software gives both the charts. One is the Dvadasamsa

navamsa D-12 X D-9 and the other is the Navamsa Dvadasamsa D-9 X D-12. I think

I have had some discussions with Narasimha on this and this is not relevant for

the present. The first method of D-108 is used to determine the caste of the

person. This is the view held by Sri Rayadu and to this we all agree as he has

given ample proof and material. for more details on this contact him or PVR

Narasimha Rao of this list.

As regards the other D 108 which you speak of here as Navamsa- dvadasamsa, this

is not its usage nor am I inclined to talk on this now.

I appreciate your efforts (and sincere desire for knowledge) and will bear this

in mind for the future. Your work will not go waste.

~ om tat sat ~

Yours truly,

Sanjay Rath

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in Two Different Charts

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Sanjayji and Jkji,

Namaste. Chapter III Quarter IV para 3.4.27 of Upadesa Sutras gives a hint about

viyoni signs, manifold birth and Dwadasamsa. From this we can understand that

the human signs are Mithuna, kanya, Thula, first half of Dhanu and Kumbha. Shri

Mahendra Pratap Singh the author of the book " Planets in Orbit (Transit)" has

given that Navamsa - dvadasamsa as one of the methods of birth rectification.

He says that if the lagna in the Navamsa - dvadasamsa chart falls in odd sign

then the birth is to be considered as male while if it is even signs then the

birth is to be considered as female.In the preface to the book he has stated

that he has taken materials for the book from Great Grand Old Masters but has

not mentioned the source. i believe it has been culled out from Nadi works. i

have taken these two hints and have been using the following methods for birth

rectification.

Step 1. Male/female verification:- For this i have been using the vighathi

method as taught in Upadesa Sutras - Chapter IV Quarter III Paras 4.3.3 to

4.3.12.

Step 2. Yoni/Viyoni sign fixation as per navamsa-dvadasamsa:- The method is given below:-

Navamsa:-For finding Navamsa multiply the longitude of ascendant by 9 after

converting it into degrees.Expunge, multiples of 360* from the product and

resultant will be Navamsa position of the Ascendant in degrees. For calculating

"Navamsa - Dvadasamsa the navamsa longitude is multiplied by 12 and the signs

ommitted earlier are added. This will give the navamsa-dvadasamsa position of

the ascendant.(i don't use this method for casting navamsa chart in general.

This way of caluculating is specific and is for the purpose of finding out the

navamsa-dvadasamsa ascendant).

Example: Longitude of Ascendant is 243* 47'.

Navamsa: 243*.78333 x 9 =2194*.05. Expunging multiples of 360*, we get 34*.05

which is 1sign 4* 3' or Vrishabha 4*3'. This is the position of Ascendant in

Navamsa.

Navamsa - Dvadasamsa:- The navamsa longitude devoid of signs (i.e 4*.05) is

multiplied by 12 i.e 4*.05 x 12 = 48*.6 = 1signs 18* 36'. The ommitted sign

viz. 1 is added to this i.e. 1signs 18* 36' + 1 sign = 2signs 18* 36'.

Therefore the navamsa-dvadasamsa of the planet is 2signs 18* 36' or Gemini 18*

36'.

As per Upadesa sutras Gemini is yoni/human sign and the birth is therefore is

human/manushya. For every one minue change in the birth time there is a

corresponding change in the ascendant in Navamsa - dvadasamsa chart.

Manushya/Biped signs: - Mithuna,Kanya, Thula, 1st half of dhanu(parasara hora shastra) and Kumbha.

Quadruped signs:- Mesha, Vrishabha, Simha and 2nd half of Dhanu and 1st half of Makara.

Centipede signs:- Kataka & Vrischikha

Footless signs:- Meena & 2nd half of Makara.

After finding out the female/male birth from the vighathi method i do the

checking up of yoni/viyoni signs using the navamsa-dvadasamsa method mentioned

above. i had therefore mentioned in my earlier mail, that the births are of two

different types and therefore the comparison of Shastyamsa/chart does not arise.

In case we add 1 minute to rectify the birth time so as to fix the lagna in

navamsa - dvadasamsa in human sign then, the shastyamsa chart automatically

under goes a change.

i hope i have made myself clear. i believe i have shared whatever i have in this

regard. Oh illumined ones, i have been picking up things all alone. i believe

whatever i have gained is on account of blessings of Mother Kali. If you find

mistakes in my methodology then it is me who is solely to be blamed for not

being able to undestand the principles in the correct way as is being projected

by Mother.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayanan

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SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAM

Dear Sanjay,

Thankyou for your extreme patience and compassion. i did not know the source of

Navamsa-dvadasamsa. i wanted to know it. i called up Shri Mahendra Pratap Singh

to help me locate the source of Navamsa-dvadasamsa. He was kind enough to tell

me the source. i was happy to locate it in Prasna Marga.

i do not have a textual dictum to support my understanding. i have stated that

i took the hints from the slokha on Viyoni/yoni sign given under the topic

Adhana/conception and Navamsa-dvadasamsa method quoted by Shri.M.P.Singhji and

drew the method.

>From the Navamsa-dvadasamsa method quoted in Prasna Marga i understand that it

is to be used to time the delivery. The adhana chart and the chart drawn at the

time of delivery(natal chart) should have some relevance/sambandha as per the

statement in the Prasna Marga that Birth(lagna) may occur in the dwadasamsa

rasi of lagna or having sambandha to chathustaya

varga(navamsa/nava-navamsa/navamsa-dwadasamsa/dwadasamsa). It was my inference

that if the lagna in the navamsa-dvadasamsa chart belongs to viyoni signs then

the birth time noted needs rectification when we are concerned about birth of a

human being.

Through my earlier mail i only wanted to convey that i had found the source of

Navamsa-dvadasamsa which in all probability you may be knowing already. It was

only your encouraging words which made me search for the contact number of

Shri.Mahendra Pratap Singhji( i do not know him - the only sambandha is that

buyer/seller relationship - i have his book that's all) so as to find the

source of Navamsa-dvadasamsa.

Seeking your help and co-operation in bringing out the nectar from the jyotisha sagara

i remain,

Yours sincerely,

psramanrayanan

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Dear Ramanarayan,

Try Sarvath Chintamani, Janmaphala Adhyaaya, Sloka 52 - Bird birth. Similarly

refer to Jataka Parijata, and the conception chapter in Brihat Jataka.

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Sunday, June 01, 2003 5:34 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Same Shastyamsas in Two Different Charts

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAM

Dear Sanjay,

Thankyou for your extreme patience and compassion. i did not know the source of

Navamsa-dvadasamsa. i wanted to know it. i called up Shri Mahendra Pratap Singh

to help me locate the source of Navamsa-dvadasamsa. He was kind enough to tell

me the source. i was happy to locate it in Prasna Marga.

i do not have a textual dictum to support my understanding. i have stated that

i took the hints from the slokha on Viyoni/yoni sign given under the topic

Adhana/conception and Navamsa-dvadasamsa method quoted by Shri.M.P.Singhji and

drew the method.

>From the Navamsa-dvadasamsa method quoted in Prasna Marga i understand that it

is to be used to time the delivery. The adhana chart and the chart drawn at the

time of delivery(natal chart) should have some relevance/sambandha as per the

statement in the Prasna Marga that Birth(lagna) may occur in the dwadasamsa

rasi of lagna or having sambandha to chathustaya

varga(navamsa/nava-navamsa/navamsa-dwadasamsa/dwadasamsa). It was my inference

that if the lagna in the navamsa-dvadasamsa chart belongs to viyoni signs then

the birth time noted needs rectification when we are concerned about birth of a

human being.

Through my earlier mail i only wanted to convey that i had found the source of

Navamsa-dvadasamsa which in all probability you may be knowing already. It was

only your encouraging words which made me search for the contact number of

Shri.Mahendra Pratap Singhji( i do not know him - the only sambandha is that

buyer/seller relationship - i have his book that's all) so as to find the

source of Navamsa-dvadasamsa.

Seeking your help and co-operation in bringing out the nectar from the jyotisha sagara

i remain,

Yours sincerely,

psramanrayanan

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SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Visti,

Thank you for the references. The general idea from all these references is that

for an animal to be born, the dwadasamsa occupied by the Moon should belong to

Viyoni rasi and that malefics should be strong while the benefics should be

weak. In addition one of the neutral planets(sani/buda) should aspect the lagna

or be in kendra to it. In the notes portion of the explanation to Slokha 1 under

the heading viyoniyadijanmaadhyaya in Jataka Parijaatha Shri.V.Subramanya

Shastri says that suppose we find the above condition in the natal chart of a

person then we should infer that the man is fortunate in animals. It is here i

think further probe is required.

Taking a clue from the Prasna Marga that Navamsa can further be divided into

navamsa-dvadasamsa and believing that it should correspond to the Adhana chart

i thought that the dvadasmsa check of viyoni signs could be done here.

Visti, if you have some thumb rule or if you have travelled further into these

areas kindly enlighten.

Best wishes.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayanan

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Dear Ramanarayan,

The reference to the Dwadasamsa is for conception chart only and not natal chart as you may guess.

My search in understanding the Vighati Lagna led me to the slokas i've referred

to. Read the sloka i reffered to from Sarvatha Chintamani. Forget the

translation, its not acurate, or rather some correction is needed in the

understanding of the word 'vilagna'.

 

The Vighati Lagna is very important in deciding the birth circumstances of the

individual, i.e. their place, their physical defects, umbelical cord, etc. Its

a very sensitive tool (24 seconds) and hence not easy to use in research, but

is purely for rectification purposes.

 

Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana:

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org

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Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:28 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Same Shastyamsas in Two Different Charts

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Visti,

Thank you for the references. The general idea from all these references is that

for an animal to be born, the dwadasamsa occupied by the Moon should belong to

Viyoni rasi and that malefics should be strong while the benefics should be

weak. In addition one of the neutral planets(sani/buda) should aspect the lagna

or be in kendra to it. In the notes portion of the explanation to Slokha 1 under

the heading viyoniyadijanmaadhyaya in Jataka Parijaatha Shri.V.Subramanya

Shastri says that suppose we find the above condition in the natal chart of a

person then we should infer that the man is fortunate in animals. It is here i

think further probe is required.

Taking a clue from the Prasna Marga that Navamsa can further be divided into

navamsa-dvadasamsa and believing that it should correspond to the Adhana chart

i thought that the dvadasmsa check of viyoni signs could be done here.

Visti, if you have some thumb rule or if you have travelled further into these

areas kindly enlighten.

Best wishes.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayanan

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Dear Ramanarayanan,

You will also find detailed explaination of Dwadasamsha-Navamsha and Navamsha

Dwadashamsha in "Navamsha in Astrology" by Chandulal Patel, sagar publications.

Chandrashekhar.

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SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

 

Dear Sanjay,

 

Thank you for the quick response and the encouraging words. i got the phone

number of Shri Mahendra Pratap Singh from the Annual Number of Astrological

Magazine. He is a resident of Varanasi. i spoke to him this morning about the

source of Navamsa-dvadasamsa for which he replied that he had picked it up from

Prasna Marga. He gave me his email address. i have written to him seeking the

source and have requested him to explain in detail. i am waiting for his reply.

Meanwhile i scanned the Prasna Marga. i found the calculation details about

Navamsa-dvadasamsa under the Chaper(N0.XVIII) Santhathi Prasna.

Stanza 110:- Birth may occur in the Dwadasamsa rasi of lagna or the Navamsa rasi

of the lord of the dwadasamsa rasi. These happening to be trines (to the lagna)

or having sambandha chatustaya varga are a further confirmation....

Stanza 112. The varga Chatushtaya is thus obtained. Navamsa by multiplying a

planet's longitude by Navamsa; Nava Navamsa by multiplying a planet's longitude

by 81; Navamsa-dwadasamsa - The Navamsa longitude devoid of sign is multiplied

by 12 and the signs omitted earlier are added; and Dwadasamsa- multiplying the

longitude of a planet devoid of signs by 12 and adding to the result, the

original rasis earlier omitted.

 

Late B.V.RAMAN had given the details of calculation in his Notes below the stanza.

 

i thank Mother for being so merciful in helping me to trace Shri.Mahendra Pratap

Singh and to trace the source of Navamsa-dwadasamsa. When there is Prasna we

seek the Almighty for help who mercifully shows the Marga.

 

"OM SHRI SAKTHI BHAGAWATHI NARAYANI NAMO NAMAH"

 

Astrologically yours,

 

p.s.ramanarayananSanjay Rath <daivagyna (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

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Dear Ramnarayan

1. The quote from Upadesa Sutra relates to the CONCEPTION chart only. Although I

don't have the book for reference here, I think I know these sutras well.

2. Ask Shri Mahendra Pratap singh for a quote from the scriptures - till such

time, I will not accept this. The D-108 is calculated in two ways and the

Jagannath Hora 5.0 software gives both the charts. One is the Dvadasamsa

navamsa D-12 X D-9 and the other is the Navamsa Dvadasamsa D-9 X D-12. I think

I have had some discussions with Narasimha on this and this is not relevant for

the present. The first method of D-108 is used to determine the caste of the

person. This is the view held by Sri Rayadu and to this we all agree as he has

given ample proof and material. for more details on this contact him or PVR

Narasimha Rao of this list.

As regards the other D 108 which you speak of here as Navamsa- dvadasamsa, this

is not its usage nor am I inclined to talk on this now.

I appreciate your efforts (and sincere desire for knowledge) and will bear this

in mind for the future. Your work will not go waste.

~ om tat sat ~

Yours truly,

Sanjay Rath

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in Two Different Charts

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Sanjayji and Jkji,

Namaste. Chapter III Quarter IV para 3.4.27 of Upadesa Sutras gives a hint about

viyoni signs, manifold birth and Dwadasamsa. From this we can understand that

the human signs are Mithuna, kanya, Thula, first half of Dhanu and Kumbha. Shri

Mahendra Pratap Singh the author of the book " Planets in Orbit (Transit)" has

given that Navamsa - dvadasamsa as one of the methods of birth rectification.

He says that if the lagna in the Navamsa - dvadasamsa chart falls in odd sign

then the birth is to be considered as male while if it is even signs then the

birth is to be considered as female.In the preface to the book he has stated

that he has taken materials for the book from Great Grand Old Masters but has

not mentioned the source. i believe it has been culled out from Nadi works. i

have taken these two hints and have been using the following methods for birth

rectification.

Step 1. Male/female verification:- For this i have been using the vighathi

method as taught in Upadesa Sutras - Chapter IV Quarter III Paras 4.3.3 to

4.3.12.

Step 2. Yoni/Viyoni sign fixation as per navamsa-dvadasamsa:- The method is given below:-

Navamsa:-For finding Navamsa multiply the longitude of ascendant by 9 after

converting it into degrees.Expunge, multiples of 360* from the product and

resultant will be Navamsa position of the Ascendant in degrees. For calculating

"Navamsa - Dvadasamsa the navamsa longitude is multiplied by 12 and the signs

ommitted earlier are added. This will give the navamsa-dvadasamsa position of

the ascendant.(i don't use this method for casting navamsa chart in general.

This way of caluculating is specific and is for the purpose of finding out the

navamsa-dvadasamsa ascendant).

Example: Longitude of Ascendant is 243* 47'.

Navamsa: 243*.78333 x 9 =2194*.05. Expunging multiples of 360*, we get 34*.05

which is 1sign 4* 3' or Vrishabha 4*3'. This is the position of Ascendant in

Navamsa.

Navamsa - Dvadasamsa:- The navamsa longitude devoid of signs (i.e 4*.05) is

multiplied by 12 i.e 4*.05 x 12 = 48*.6 = 1signs 18* 36'. The ommitted sign

viz. 1 is added to this i.e. 1signs 18* 36' + 1 sign = 2signs 18* 36'.

Therefore the navamsa-dvadasamsa of the planet is 2signs 18* 36' or Gemini 18*

36'.

As per Upadesa sutras Gemini is yoni/human sign and the birth is therefore is

human/manushya. For every one minue change in the birth time there is a

corresponding change in the ascendant in Navamsa - dvadasamsa chart.

Manushya/Biped signs: - Mithuna,Kanya, Thula, 1st half of dhanu(parasara hora shastra) and Kumbha.

Quadruped signs:- Mesha, Vrishabha, Simha and 2nd half of Dhanu and 1st half of Makara.

Centipede signs:- Kataka & Vrischikha

Footless signs:- Meena & 2nd half of Makara.

After finding out the female/male birth from the vighathi method i do the

checking up of yoni/viyoni signs using the navamsa-dvadasamsa method mentioned

above. i had therefore mentioned in my earlier mail, that the births are of two

different types and therefore the comparison of Shastyamsa/chart does not arise.

In case we add 1 minute to rectify the birth time so as to fix the lagna in

navamsa - dvadasamsa in human sign then, the shastyamsa chart automatically

under goes a change.

i hope i have made myself clear. i believe i have shared whatever i have in this

regard. Oh illumined ones, i have been picking up things all alone. i believe

whatever i have gained is on account of blessings of Mother Kali. If you find

mistakes in my methodology then it is me who is solely to be blamed for not

being able to undestand the principles in the correct way as is being projected

by Mother.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayanan

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I found in "navamsha in Astrology" by Chandulal S Patel that navamsha

Dwadashamsha is used to find birth of human being in diferent Varnas.

thought this might interest you.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

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Dear Ramanarayan,

The reference to the Dwadasamsa is for conception chart only and not natal chart as you may guess.

My search in understanding the Vighati Lagna led me to the slokas i've referred

to. Read the sloka i reffered to from Sarvatha Chintamani. Forget the

translation, its not acurate, or rather some correction is needed in the

understanding of the word 'vilagna'.

 

The Vighati Lagna is very important in deciding the birth circumstances of the

individual, i.e. their place, their physical defects, umbelical cord, etc. Its

a very sensitive tool (24 seconds) and hence not easy to use in research, but

is purely for rectification purposes.

 

Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana:

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org

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P.S. RAMANARAYANAN

vedic astrology

Sunday, June 01, 2003 7:28 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Same Shastyamsas in Two Different Charts

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM JAGAT

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Visti,

Thank you for the references. The general idea from all these references is that

for an animal to be born, the dwadasamsa occupied by the Moon should belong to

Viyoni rasi and that malefics should be strong while the benefics should be

weak. In addition one of the neutral planets(sani/buda) should aspect the lagna

or be in kendra to it. In the notes portion of the explanation to Slokha 1 under

the heading viyoniyadijanmaadhyaya in Jataka Parijaatha Shri.V.Subramanya

Shastri says that suppose we find the above condition in the natal chart of a

person then we should infer that the man is fortunate in animals. It is here i

think further probe is required.

Taking a clue from the Prasna Marga that Navamsa can further be divided into

navamsa-dvadasamsa and believing that it should correspond to the Adhana chart

i thought that the dvadasmsa check of viyoni signs could be done here.

Visti, if you have some thumb rule or if you have travelled further into these

areas kindly enlighten.

Best wishes.

Astrologically yours,

psramanrayanan

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Dear Chandrasekhar

Thats right. see my first mail on this and the topic about Sri Rayadu. Why

don't you quote what Chandulal Patel has written for the benefit of readers.

Both D9-D12 and D12-D9. He would have also given references, probably to

Candrakala Nadi

~ om tat sat ~

Yours truly,

Sanjay Rath

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Monday, June 02, 2003 2:33 AM

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Dear Visti,

I found in "navamsha in Astrology" by Chandulal S Patel that navamsha

Dwadashamsha is used to find birth of human being in diferent Varnas.

thought this might interest you.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

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Dear Sanjay,

I am giving the information desired by you. What Chandulal Patel says is as under.

He first explains how Navamsha dwadasamsa is to be calculated(1/12th part of

Navamsha) and then goes on to say that,"Bramhins, Religious minded

people,philosophers,priests and cultured people are born in Navamsha

Dwadasamsha Sign of Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces.

Kshatriyas,warriors,corageous and strong people are born in signs Aries,Leo and

Sagitarius, Vaishyas(Traders), businessmen are born in Taurus,Virgo and

Capricorn and Shudras, labourers, menials etc. are born in signs Gemini, Libra

and Aquarius.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

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Monday, June 02, 2003 1:40 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Same Shastyamsas in Two Different Charts

|brihaspatim varenyam|Dear ChandrasekharThats right. see my first mail on this

and the topic about Sri Rayadu. Whydon't you quote what Chandulal Patel has

written for the benefit of readers.Both D9-D12 and D12-D9. He would have also

given references, probably toCandrakala Nadi~ om tat sat ~Yours truly,Sanjay

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"navamsha in Astrology" by Chandulal S Patel that navamshaDwadashamsha is used

to find birth of human being in diferent Varnas.thought this might interest

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Dear Sanjayji,

I think, that it could be applied for finding out the family in which the Jataka

was born. As you know I , by my self, prfer to rely on Natal and Navamsha

charts. So I do not think I am qualified enough to comment on this.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

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Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:43 AM

RE: [vedic astrology] Same Shastyamsas in Two Different Charts

 

 

|brihaspatim varenyam|

Dear Chandrasekhar ji

Thank you. Yes this is what is given by Rayadu and others as well. However, this

correction can be applied to Navamsa dvadasamsa to determine the family of

birth. I wonder if this can be applied today. We just need to be very careful

in application as people change their vocation so often that it is tough to

classify them into one trade/class at the time of birth of child.

~ om tat sat ~

Yours truly,

Sanjay Rath

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Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:40 AMvedic astrologySubject:

Re: [vedic astrology] Same Shastyamsas in Two Different Charts

Dear Sanjay,

I am giving the information desired by you. What Chandulal Patel says is as under.

He first explains how Navamsha dwadasamsa is to be calculated(1/12th part of

Navamsha) and then goes on to say that,"Bramhins, Religious minded

people,philosophers,priests and cultured people are born in Navamsha

Dwadasamsha Sign of Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces.

Kshatriyas,warriors,corageous and strong people are born in signs Aries,Leo and

Sagitarius, Vaishyas(Traders), businessmen are born in Taurus,Virgo and

Capricorn and Shudras, labourers, menials etc. are born in signs Gemini, Libra

and Aquarius.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

-

Sanjay Rath

vedic astrology

Monday, June 02, 2003 1:40 PM

RE: [vedic astrology] Same Shastyamsas in Two Different Charts

|brihaspatim varenyam|Dear ChandrasekharThats right. see my first mail on this

and the topic about Sri Rayadu. Whydon't you quote what Chandulal Patel has

written for the benefit of readers.Both D9-D12 and D12-D9. He would have also

given references, probably toCandrakala Nadi~ om tat sat ~Yours truly,Sanjay

Rath---------------------------H-5, B.J.B

Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India+91-674-2436871

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[vedic astrology] Same Shastyamsas in Two Different ChartsDear Visti,I found in

"navamsha in Astrology" by Chandulal S Patel that navamshaDwadashamsha is used

to find birth of human being in diferent Varnas.thought this might interest

you.Regards,Chandrashekhar.

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