20th mumbai meeting discussions-dear sunil, Jk da

[Guest guest]

Om Namah Shivaya

 

Dear Sunil

 

I hope you have analysed the Trimsamsa chart as there have been many

incidents related to marriage, love and other things.

 

D-30 lagna is Virgo, and is the 9th House from natal lagna,.

 

Jupiter and moon placed in Virgo(virginity) and since this is 9th

huse from natal lagna, the question involved is the brekage of dharma

related to sex.

 

This lagna is aspected by saturn, rahu, sun mercury from pisces.

The 7th house in D-30 is severely afflicted.

 

8th house and 3rd house have to be examined to see whether this

suffering is from past life.

 

3rd house has venus, The AK, and the suffering is due to the sins

that she has commited in past life.

 

Whenever such cases arrive, i suggest you look at d-30 chart.

regards

partha

om tat sat

 

 

, Sunil John <suniljohn_2002>

wrote:

> Dear Sanjayji

> Thank you very much for encouraging the mumbai group and under the

able guidance of Jkda we should continue our path more rigorously.

Replies to the queries posted by you at the relevant places.

>

>

>

> Best wishes,

>

>

>

> Sunil John

>

>

>

> Chart Details:

>

> 4th October 1971 at 1pm in Townsville, Queensland, Australia

>

> 146E48, 19S16

>

> TZ: 10.00 (east of GMT)

>

>

>

> 1. She left her birth place and went to Saudi for job in April'1999

and came back to Australia in Sept'2000

> [Rath:] The planets that take a person to a foreign land should be

examined very carefully. Here they are Ketu dasa Mars anterdasa in

April 1999. Thus Ketu and Mars have to be examined in the chart for

the results of what will follow in the foreign land. Note that both

Ketu and Mars are the lords of the badhak house indicating foreign

travel. Further, Ketu is placed in a Kendra as mars

associates/aspects lagna causes Pisacha badhak. Thus, the trip to

foreign land shall bring some serious problem regarding Pisacha

badhak due to Ketu and Mars should be the inference.

>

>

>

> [jk] This is a new direction in seeing the chart. We shall keep

this in mind.

>

>

>

> We concluded that her debilated AK was the reason for her foreign

posting (mentioned later in the mail). Was our finding correct? .. as

we could not see any other reason for her foreign residency.

>

>

>

> Her venus MD is going to start now shortly. Will she now again come

out of her country in that period?

>

> Sunil: Will this also produce marriage, if yes when and nature of

marriage

>

>

>

> 2. She started seeing one muslim boy in August 1999 and was engaged

on the 21st October 1999 but the marriage did not ultimately took

place.

> [Rath:] Why arn't the views of the group not given here? The dasa

had changed to Ketu dasa Rahu antardasa and both planets are involved

in a sarpa yoga without a break. Normally sarpa yoga makes a person

very sexually inclined and agressive in sexual activity. both these

planets also aspect the darapada A7 indicating that she will think of

marriage as physical contact and will suffer consequently. The point

is that Brihaspati is sitting very strong in the darapada and is also

aspecting the 5th house. So we can see a battle of sorts between

Jupiter and Rahu to have a relationship with her. Now see the raha

arudha of Jupiter - Jup (9) is in Lagna andd is protecting her

reputation and name while Jup (12) is in 7th house in Cancer. So

Jupiters influence in her personal life is going to be strong. Also

he dominates darapada and put a fight against Rahu. So, she cannot

marry the man she meets in Ketu dasa Rahu antardasa. More so as UL is

Libra and its lord is debilitated and it is Jupiter who gives

neechabhanga for Venus, but this neechabhanga is not present

naturally from Guru and Mercury does neechabhanga i.e. Mercury

intervenes on behalf of Juptier. Speak to her and try to identify

these people Jupiter & Mercury while Rahu is identified as the boy

she met in Ketu-Rahu period.

>

> SJ: Not sure if you were referring to her past to identify people

with Jupiter and Mercury traits. upon my chat with her I found these

details:

>

>

> · There was a person (Ethopian American) associated with

the chamber of commerce who was after her, he held the highest

position for a non Saudi in Saudi and was always with ambassadors and

diplomats (maybe this is the Mercury person that you speak about, I

thought this since Mercury represents business too, although this guy

looks more of a Sun person)

>

> · There were two surgeons and one doctor (Saudi national)

also who were after her and made life miserable for her (these could

be the Jupiterean influence maybe, as Jupiter also represents healers

according to my limited knowledge, although surgeon might indicate

more of Mars)

>

> · Right now there could be a Jupiterean influence since she

has now fallen in love with another foreigner, who has some sort of

spiritual background.

>

>

>

>

> [jk] sunil will ask her and post the details in the list in this

respect

>

>

>

> 3. Miscarried a child in April 2000 and then gave birth to a

daughter in April 2001 in Australia

> [Rath:] This must be before April 20 2000 in Ketu-Rahu-Venus

period. Who was the prospective father? Mr.Rahu?? Tell her she has

lost a fantastic son (see Mars in Sg in D7). Next child is indicated

by Moon in Scorpio in D7 - daughter. Come Jupiter and she got out of

the direct influence of the sarpa yoga and other evils.

>

> SJ: She confirms that the child (miscarriage) is of that Indian

Muslim she was in love with in Saudi. Although she admits that during

the brief period when she returned to Australia she was raped by one

lesbian friend (having manly qualities), this happened in between her

love relationship with the Indian, but she didn't tell of this event

to him. This rape thing she told me maybe since she felt you saw some

other influence in her life during the period. The miscarriage was

before April 20 2002 and in the period you have predicted.

>

> There have been two rape attempts also on her.

>

>

>

> [jk] yes the miscarriage was before 20th april and the muslim boy

(Mr. Rahu) was the father.

>

>

>

> 4. While in Saudi she had a lot of lucid dreaming with snakes.

> [Rath:] Did you notice the sarpa yoga? I find no mention of this.

Also there is no mention of Rahu aspecting the 9th lord Mercury which

is the cause of the dreams. Dreams of snakes is indicative of

terrible enemies working against her. Mercury is also the 6th lord.

>

> Sunil: She confirms that she had lot of enemies in Saudi and also

in Australia. All things related to teenage jealousy etc.

>

> 5. Arround July'1999, while in Saudi..she started seeing spirits.

She tells that one woman there, who threatened her earlier on account

of relationship jealousy - applied black magic on her.

> [Rath:] No I don't agree with this. The sixth lord is Mercury and

it does not have any contact with the badhak sign Scorpio nor with

the badhakesh Mars. Sixth lord conjoining debilitated Venus indicates

that she had problems and fight with a woman but there is no

indication that that lady was able to do any black magic that

afflicted her. What she suffers from is prarabdha karma and this is

due to a past life karma that she carries.

>

> SJ: She feels that the black magic on her was done by a African

woman, this African woman was in love with a doctor who wanted to

marry our subject to get into Australia, hence the African woman

hated our native for it. From What I feel it isn't a case of total

possession but just outside trouble but still I reproduce her own

words.

>

> Sanjayji can you kindly expand on prarabdha karma and what is the

past life karma this native carries as to cause so much of suffering

in this lifetime.

>

>

>

>

> Spirit Possession:

>

> I am really not that sure of exactly when it started, I think

around June or

>

> July 1999. When I went to bed that night I saw a dark figure come

into

>

> my room but at the time I was not scared. I had a dream before it

>

> happened. It was in the compound I was living at the time in Saudi

and

>

> the sky was blood red. There was a beast that had been sacrificed

on a

>

> big slab of cement, its throat had been cut. Then I heard the

phone ring

>

> and in my dream I picked up the phone but could also see this old

>

> woman at the end of the line. She said that the devil will go

through me

>

> and Paula as well. And then that is when it happened. It was

violent and

>

> twisted my body in ways that I didn't think possible. The woman

that I

>

> believed did this to me was the face that was above me but very

twisted,

>

> deformed and ugly. I was constantly calling for Jesus Christ and I

saw

>

> his figure walk through the door of my room and that it when it

released

>

> me. The next morning when I went to walk out the front door there

was

>

> a very big pool of blood at my front door.

>

>

>

> It kept coming back for months and entering my body but each time

was

>

> a bit weaker than the last. It was especially strong around each

full

>

> moon. And over the months Paula's baby kept deteriorating until it

>

> eventually died without any doctors in Saudi or Ireland being able

to

>

> explain why. The woman that I believe did this because I was

friends

>

> with the man that she loves. They were both from Sudan. She would

>

> always seem run into me all the time at work and she always looked

at

>

> me with a smirk on her face.

>

>

>

> More excerpts from the chat:

>

> well it used to come back every night. Take over my body etc... As

I said the wind in my throat, can not move my body can not scream

etc. But it was never as violent again as the first time. The first

time I saw my limbs being twisted in directions it should not have

been. The next day I had bruises and a lot of swelling over my body

>

> for months it would come back but especially around a full moon it

was very strong again.

>

> After a long time it happened few weeks back, but this time there

were more hands when they were trying to make love to me, its so

revolting Sunil u don't know the feeling.

>

> Sunil pls tell your Guru, re the incident that I told one week

back, just when I had received the mantra , this vision came to me

and that woman was very angry , her face was full of wild anger, but

I was surrounded with walls and she was outside the wall. I think she

is angry I took that Mantra, also yesterday I started researching on

Lord Shiva from the net. You said he would protect me.

>

>

>

>

>

> [jk] sunil will take further detail from her and post the same. It

seems that she still insists on the black magic done to her by an

african woman

>

>

>

> This woman is reported to have very high passion which leads her

into various relations and subsequent troubles. But she is not happy

with her own passion and feels guilty about it. Is it due to her

placement of Ke in 7th - who acts like Mars creating lot of passions

and debilated AK Venus - who tries to show her the correct way? Plz

note that Ven is also aspected by Rahu- aflicting Ven as well as Sun.

> [Rath:] True. Venus shows correct way? Like how?? Please spell out.

Of course I missed it - Venus is Atmakaraka, so she will learn life

through terrible mistakes related to sexual activity and 'love'.

(Gauranga made this point earlier about AK Venus).

>

>

>

> [jk] this is very much true in this case.

>

> Sunil : Dear Sanjayji and Jkda, the query posted by the woman is in

her twenties she was involved in sex acts of extreme nature that

cannot be mentioned in this list, she found pleasure in them but also

trouble due to the associations of those kind of people, now after

her child birth esp she has mellowed down and avoided them to a large

extent. She loves her child and wants to give her a wonderful future.

But she knows her body and wants to know if she would go back to her

old ways as her body still likes those sex acts, but her mind doesn't

as of now, so what is the path for her and when and how will it

manifest.

>

> AK Ven might have surely given her some sense of direction, also

from the last 10 yrs the native has slowly been involved in reading

of newage books on spirituality. I feel now a new period in her life

should start in God realization, don't know why but I feel this,

maybe gurus can comment.

>

>

>

> AK Ven is debilated and in the star of Mars. She left her birth

place in Ke-Ma-Me dasa. Ke is in her 7th house of foreign journey and

Ve is in Virgo. She came back as her Ke-Jup started. Jup is her DK in

badhaka sthana. Actually the main reason for her coming back was

disappointment created due to refusal of the boy to marry her.

Religion (karaka Jup) was the main reason for the muslim boy's

refusal. Her AL is in 12th from UL and this was her 1st serious

relationship with intention to marry. Hence rejection by her would be

spouse is clear from the chart.

> [Rath:] Excellent. See how a Jupiter placed in badhak can cause

differences related to religion. Brilliant point. So whose child is

the daughter?? GRAPES ARE SOUR - the boy says no and so she finds it

convenient to blame a woman for black magic. Rejection is something

lovers find hard to digest.

>

> Sunil: She got the vision and temporary body possession with the

face of the woman who did it, according to her before the affair with

the Indian muslim started. Both were in love with each other, but he

rejected her since he felt he had committed a sin by producing the

child, also if he married her then his 2 sisters in India would not

get married. She understands his point of view but feels unhappy

about her kid being called a bastard. He still loves her and wants to

be in Australia with her, but he keeps on being indecisive, now she

has given up on him after so many yrs of waiting and begging him and

now currently fallen in love with another person and wants to marry.

>

> Also, I feel that she goes to too many psychics who tell her all

sort of stupid things ( personal view – nothing against psychics).

The point I want to make is she has no clear cut guidance in life.

>

> So she fears that the black magic might have separated her first

Love, and now she fears that once again it might act up. As advised

by Jkda she has been asked to do UL fasting which she has started

already. Does she have Vivaha Dosha , does she need to perform more

remedies.

>

> She feels if it is necessary when she has money she would travel to

India (currently she is unemployed by choice in order to take care of

her kid), if any rituals are to be performed to ward off her Sarpa

Dosha or any more afflictions.

>

> The child is of the Indian muslim that she was in love with and

wanted to marry, I think their affair continued for over 2 years. The

chart of the child is attached for perusal. The time of birth is as

given by doctors.

>

>

>

>

>

> In rashi, 9th house has rahu aspect-shows problem for 1st child

birth. In her D7, lagna is Le - odd sign. counting in zodiac

direction, 5th from Le (Sg) has Mars...showing medical problems. her

miscarriage occured in Ke-Ra-Ve dasa. Ve is in Mars star. 3rd from Sg

is Aq. Lord Sa is in Cp a female rashi. So her 2nd child was a

daughter.

> [Rath:] So my guess was right - Venus pratyantar as Venus is TENTH

LORD in Saptamsa and aspects the fifth house. Also see the dictum

about Rasi chart Lagna lord in 5th house..first child....

>

>

>

> Dreaming of snakes:

>

> She has 3 malefics in 2 kendras. It should be a sarpa dosha. Can we

confer that the dreaming of snakes were due to the sarpa dosha? This

happened in her Ke-Ra dasa.

> [Rath:] Sarpa yoga - correct JK

>

>

>

> Black magic & Preta dosha:

>

> She becomes adept to black magic due to,

>

> 1. Ketu and Sat aspecting each other and have connection to 5th

house.

> [Rath:] Ok first pregnancy was miscarriage (ask her if this

miscarriage was FORCED like say abortion).

>

>

>

> SJ: Last night she confirmed that it was a miscarriage andnot

abortion, she stupidly took a vitamin tablet which her friend had

warned her was a bit too strong on stomach, but she said that her

stomach is super strong , at that time she said she was very very

stressed in life and also the tension of telling her parents that

she was pregnant.

>

>

>

> 2. AL in dual rashi..conjunct with 6L Mer and Ket in 7th behaving

like mars (as Ketu is alone)

> [Rath:] come off it. Loneliness and depression following rejection

in love can make people see things. Preta badhak is far too serious a

thing and if the affliction actually occurs, then there will be

tremendous violence and some terrible physical conditions that beyond

normal description. Split personality and other traits are noticed. i

have witness only one preta badhak till now and also saw the

exorcism. Long time back - durig Sat-Venus period when I was studying

these things.

>

>

>

> [jk] The description of her fisrt experience of sighting spirits

tells about a violent and painfull physical condition also.

>

>

>

> Here we are not very clear on one thing. Are the preta dosha /

badha and pishacha badha are two different things? And if so..how

both manifest? And what are the indication in a chart that the native

will be able to see or communicate with spirits? Do such ability come

from such dosha?

>

> SJ: She tells from the age of 21 to 28 there was a spirit guide who

would always speak to her, when she told her friends they warned her

not to tell to anyone otherwise she would be declared mad or non

religious. Earlier she was afraid of this voice, but when the spirit

started always guiding her and warning her, she felt nice about the

spirit since she was always getting into trouble and associations

with the wrong kind of people. At the later age she spirit infact

saved her from a road accident by telling her to slow down and just

few secs later the accident happened, if she hadn't slowed down she

would have banged into it. The communication was only one way with

the spirit, and when she wanted to talk he would never come, he would

only talk to her on his own time.

>

> Re the current scenario not sure if it is black magic or spirits

troubling, but the current house she lives in , was earlier inhabited

by aboriginals. She keeps seeings faces, etc, now her child also sees

and many atimes she and her child sees them together, then the child

says : Mommmmy, look a man. One week back she saw many people and

then later in the night the child came back to her in bed and said :

Mommmy there are many people in my room.

>

> These are just two instances

>

> She fears terribly for her child, she doesn't know if the black

magic is diff from the spirits in the current house as it was

inhabited by some aboriginals who were known to be a bit on the dark

side of nature.

>

>

>

> Now her badhaka lord is Mars..who is also aspecting Sat by rashi

dristi and Ket by graha dristi. This constitutes Preta Badha or the

native is so haunted by spirits. Also combination of Ketu & Mars

causes Preta dosha as well as affliction by spirits.

>

>

>

> It may be note here that 7th house is involved in the dosha..and

the dosha got kick started due to problems of 7th house affairs.

> [Rath:] Agreed about this that the 7th house is the cause of the

sarpa entangling her in a terrible mess. During Ketu-Jup she might

have contemplated suicide as well. But then its over now.

>

> Sunil: Sanjayji, she says that during Ketu Jup period she didn't

contemplate of suicide but she confirms that it was a very very

stressful period, with all sorts of family problems, she wasa single

mom, the stigma, her lover wasn't coming to her, she was sick for a

long time due to troublesome child birth, no one to take care of her

or give sound advice.

>

>

>

> [jk] sunil will confirm this from her

>

>

>

> Remedy:

>

> Jup aspects Ketu and Rahu+mars all by rashi dristi and Sat by graha

dristi. So it was felt that Jup can give the solution. Jup is in 9th

from moon so gem will not work. Maha Mrityunjaya mantra was suggested

for the native to avert the effect of black magic and haunting by

spirits. Mrityunjaya mantra being the best remedy for such doshas.

This mantra must do the needfull also due to the reason that her ketu

dasa is ending and ven dasa would start shortly and venus is the

owner of mrityunjaya mantra. Sun indicates her ista as Shiva. Jup

also indicates Shiva in higher form. So Mrityunjaya mantra will

propiciate Jup & Sun also. Jup is aspecting Ketu. So by propiciating

Jup..ketu will get a head and become ganesha to drive away the

spirits.

> [Rath:] PERFECT JK da..all the hard work you have done on remedial

measures is paying off now.

>

>

>

> [jk] i am personally very much encouraged by your kind words. and

surely Hy conference has given a new direction to our studies.

>

> Sunil: She thanks for the mantra and listens to it daily and is

slowly trying to recite it. Last night she has thanked everyone

Sanjayji, Jkda, Chandrashekharji, Sarajitji, Visti and other learned

members with all of her heart and hopes to receive their guidance

forever.

>

>

>

>

>

> Is the remedy suggested is correct?

>

>

>

> Please guide us with further valuable comments on the same - from

gurus and other learned members.

>

>

>

> Regards

>

>

>

> dasgupta

> [Rath:] Very very good and challenging case study. I have seen that

sometimes the groups gets carried away in a particular thread. This

is due to the planetary positions for the day when the meeting was

being held. For example when this chart was being discussed, the Moon

was in exact 180 degrees aspect with Saturn!!!..so i don't blame

anyone. The graha are powerful...

>

>

>

> Sit back sometimes and think about the other alternatives with a

silent prayer to Shiva.

>

>

>

> Best regards

>

> Sanjay

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Partha,

 

How you are getting D30 lagna as Virgo. I am getting it Pi. with Ra & Ke in lagna.

 

jk

-

V.partha sarathy

vedic astrology

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:57 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: 20th mumbai meeting discussions-dear sunil, Jk da

Om Namah ShivayaDear SunilI hope you have analysed the Trimsamsa chart as there

have been many incidents related to marriage, love and other things.D-30 lagna

is Virgo, and is the 9th House from natal lagna,.Jupiter and moon placed in

Virgo(virginity) and since this is 9th huse from natal lagna, the question

involved is the brekage of dharma related to sex.This lagna is aspected by

saturn, rahu, sun mercury from pisces.The 7th house in D-30 is severely

afflicted.8th house and 3rd house have to be examined to see whether this

suffering is from past life.3rd house has venus, The AK, and the suffering is

due to the sins that she has commited in past life.Whenever such cases arrive,

i suggest you look at d-30 chart.regardsparthaom tat sat--- In

, Sunil John <suniljohn_2002> wrote:> Dear

Sanjayji> Thank you very much for encouraging the mumbai group and under the

able guidance of Jkda we should continue our path more rigorously. Replies to

the queries posted by you at the relevant places.> > > > Best wishes,> > > >

Sunil John> > > > Chart Details:> > 4th October 1971 at 1pm in Townsville,

Queensland, Australia> > 146E48, 19S16> > TZ: 10.00 (east of GMT)> > > > 1. She

left her birth place and went to Saudi for job in April'1999 and came back to

Australia in Sept'2000 > [Rath:] The planets that take a person to a foreign

land should be examined very carefully. Here they are Ketu dasa Mars anterdasa

in April 1999. Thus Ketu and Mars have to be examined in the chart for the

results of what will follow in the foreign land. Note that both Ketu and Mars

are the lords of the badhak house indicating foreign travel. Further, Ketu is

placed in a Kendra as mars associates/aspects lagna causes Pisacha badhak.

Thus, the trip to foreign land shall bring some serious problem regarding

Pisacha badhak due to Ketu and Mars should be the inference.> > > > [jk] This

is a new direction in seeing the chart. We shall keep this in mind. > > > > We

concluded that her debilated AK was the reason for her foreign posting

(mentioned later in the mail). Was our finding correct? .. as we could not see

any other reason for her foreign residency. > > > > Her venus MD is going to

start now shortly. Will she now again come out of her country in that period?>

> Sunil: Will this also produce marriage, if yes when and nature of marriage> >

> > 2. She started seeing one muslim boy in August 1999 and was engaged on the

21st October 1999 but the marriage did not ultimately took place.> [Rath:] Why

arn't the views of the group not given here? The dasa had changed to Ketu dasa

Rahu antardasa and both planets are involved in a sarpa yoga without a break.

Normally sarpa yoga makes a person very sexually inclined and agressive in

sexual activity. both these planets also aspect the darapada A7 indicating that

she will think of marriage as physical contact and will suffer consequently. The

point is that Brihaspati is sitting very strong in the darapada and is also

aspecting the 5th house. So we can see a battle of sorts between Jupiter and

Rahu to have a relationship with her. Now see the raha arudha of Jupiter - Jup

(9) is in Lagna andd is protecting her reputation and name while Jup (12) is in

7th house in Cancer. So Jupiters influence in her personal life is going to be

strong. Also he dominates darapada and put a fight against Rahu. So, she cannot

marry the man she meets in Ketu dasa Rahu antardasa. More so as UL is Libra and

its lord is debilitated and it is Jupiter who gives neechabhanga for Venus, but

this neechabhanga is not present naturally from Guru and Mercury does

neechabhanga i.e. Mercury intervenes on behalf of Juptier. Speak to her and try

to identify these people Jupiter & Mercury while Rahu is identified as the boy

she met in Ketu-Rahu period.> > SJ: Not sure if you were referring to her past

to identify people with Jupiter and Mercury traits. upon my chat with her I

found these details:> > > · There was a person (Ethopian American) associated

with the chamber of commerce who was after her, he held the highest position

for a non Saudi in Saudi and was always with ambassadors and diplomats (maybe

this is the Mercury person that you speak about, I thought this since Mercury

represents business too, although this guy looks more of a Sun person)> > ·

There were two surgeons and one doctor (Saudi national) also who were after her

and made life miserable for her (these could be the Jupiterean influence maybe,

as Jupiter also represents healers according to my limited knowledge, although

surgeon might indicate more of Mars)> > · Right now there could be a Jupiterean

influence since she has now fallen in love with another foreigner, who has some

sort of spiritual background.> > > > > [jk] sunil will ask her and post the

details in the list in this respect> > > > 3. Miscarried a child in April 2000

and then gave birth to a daughter in April 2001 in Australia > [Rath:] This

must be before April 20 2000 in Ketu-Rahu-Venus period. Who was the prospective

father? Mr.Rahu?? Tell her she has lost a fantastic son (see Mars in Sg in D7).

Next child is indicated by Moon in Scorpio in D7 - daughter. Come Jupiter and

she got out of the direct influence of the sarpa yoga and other evils. > > SJ:

She confirms that the child (miscarriage) is of that Indian Muslim she was in

love with in Saudi. Although she admits that during the brief period when she

returned to Australia she was raped by one lesbian friend (having manly

qualities), this happened in between her love relationship with the Indian, but

she didn't tell of this event to him. This rape thing she told me maybe since

she felt you saw some other influence in her life during the period. The

miscarriage was before April 20 2002 and in the period you have predicted.> >

There have been two rape attempts also on her.> > > > [jk] yes the miscarriage

was before 20th april and the muslim boy (Mr. Rahu) was the father.> > > > 4.

While in Saudi she had a lot of lucid dreaming with snakes.> [Rath:] Did you

notice the sarpa yoga? I find no mention of this. Also there is no mention of

Rahu aspecting the 9th lord Mercury which is the cause of the dreams. Dreams of

snakes is indicative of terrible enemies working against her. Mercury is also

the 6th lord. > > Sunil: She confirms that she had lot of enemies in Saudi and

also in Australia. All things related to teenage jealousy etc. > > 5. Arround

July'1999, while in Saudi..she started seeing spirits. She tells that one woman

there, who threatened her earlier on account of relationship jealousy - applied

black magic on her.> [Rath:] No I don't agree with this. The sixth lord is

Mercury and it does not have any contact with the badhak sign Scorpio nor with

the badhakesh Mars. Sixth lord conjoining debilitated Venus indicates that she

had problems and fight with a woman but there is no indication that that lady

was able to do any black magic that afflicted her. What she suffers from is

prarabdha karma and this is due to a past life karma that she carries.> > SJ:

She feels that the black magic on her was done by a African woman, this African

woman was in love with a doctor who wanted to marry our subject to get into

Australia, hence the African woman hated our native for it. From What I feel it

isn't a case of total possession but just outside trouble but still I reproduce

her own words.> > Sanjayji can you kindly expand on prarabdha karma and what is

the past life karma this native carries as to cause so much of suffering in this

lifetime.> > > > > Spirit Possession:> > I am really not that sure of exactly

when it started, I think around June or > > July 1999. When I went to bed that

night I saw a dark figure come into > > my room but at the time I was not

scared. I had a dream before it > > happened. It was in the compound I was

living at the time in Saudi and > > the sky was blood red. There was a beast

that had been sacrificed on a > > big slab of cement, its throat had been cut.

Then I heard the phone ring > > and in my dream I picked up the phone but could

also see this old > > woman at the end of the line. She said that the devil will

go through me > > and Paula as well. And then that is when it happened. It was

violent and > > twisted my body in ways that I didn't think possible. The woman

that I > > believed did this to me was the face that was above me but very

twisted, > > deformed and ugly. I was constantly calling for Jesus Christ and I

saw > > his figure walk through the door of my room and that it when it released

> > me. The next morning when I went to walk out the front door there was > > a

very big pool of blood at my front door. > > > > It kept coming back for months

and entering my body but each time was > > a bit weaker than the last. It was

especially strong around each full > > moon. And over the months Paula's baby

kept deteriorating until it > > eventually died without any doctors in Saudi or

Ireland being able to > > explain why. The woman that I believe did this because

I was friends > > with the man that she loves. They were both from Sudan. She

would > > always seem run into me all the time at work and she always looked at

> > me with a smirk on her face.> > > > More excerpts from the chat:> > well it

used to come back every night. Take over my body etc... As I said the wind in

my throat, can not move my body can not scream etc. But it was never as violent

again as the first time. The first time I saw my limbs being twisted in

directions it should not have been. The next day I had bruises and a lot of

swelling over my body> > for months it would come back but especially around a

full moon it was very strong again.> > After a long time it happened few weeks

back, but this time there were more hands when they were trying to make love to

me, its so revolting Sunil u don't know the feeling. > > Sunil pls tell your

Guru, re the incident that I told one week back, just when I had received the

mantra , this vision came to me and that woman was very angry , her face was

full of wild anger, but I was surrounded with walls and she was outside the

wall. I think she is angry I took that Mantra, also yesterday I started

researching on Lord Shiva from the net. You said he would protect me.> > > > >

> [jk] sunil will take further detail from her and post the same. It seems that

she still insists on the black magic done to her by an african woman> > > > This

woman is reported to have very high passion which leads her into various

relations and subsequent troubles. But she is not happy with her own passion

and feels guilty about it. Is it due to her placement of Ke in 7th - who acts

like Mars creating lot of passions and debilated AK Venus - who tries to show

her the correct way? Plz note that Ven is also aspected by Rahu- aflicting Ven

as well as Sun.> [Rath:] True. Venus shows correct way? Like how?? Please spell

out. Of course I missed it - Venus is Atmakaraka, so she will learn life through

terrible mistakes related to sexual activity and 'love'. (Gauranga made this

point earlier about AK Venus). > > > > [jk] this is very much true in this

case.> > Sunil : Dear Sanjayji and Jkda, the query posted by the woman is in

her twenties she was involved in sex acts of extreme nature that cannot be

mentioned in this list, she found pleasure in them but also trouble due to the

associations of those kind of people, now after her child birth esp she has

mellowed down and avoided them to a large extent. She loves her child and wants

to give her a wonderful future. But she knows her body and wants to know if she

would go back to her old ways as her body still likes those sex acts, but her

mind doesn't as of now, so what is the path for her and when and how will it

manifest.> > AK Ven might have surely given her some sense of direction, also

from the last 10 yrs the native has slowly been involved in reading of newage

books on spirituality. I feel now a new period in her life should start in God

realization, don't know why but I feel this, maybe gurus can comment. > > > >

AK Ven is debilated and in the star of Mars. She left her birth place in

Ke-Ma-Me dasa. Ke is in her 7th house of foreign journey and Ve is in Virgo.

She came back as her Ke-Jup started. Jup is her DK in badhaka sthana. Actually

the main reason for her coming back was disappointment created due to refusal

of the boy to marry her. Religion (karaka Jup) was the main reason for the

muslim boy's refusal. Her AL is in 12th from UL and this was her 1st serious

relationship with intention to marry. Hence rejection by her would be spouse is

clear from the chart.> [Rath:] Excellent. See how a Jupiter placed in badhak can

cause differences related to religion. Brilliant point. So whose child is the

daughter?? GRAPES ARE SOUR - the boy says no and so she finds it convenient to

blame a woman for black magic. Rejection is something lovers find hard to

digest.> > Sunil: She got the vision and temporary body possession with the

face of the woman who did it, according to her before the affair with the

Indian muslim started. Both were in love with each other, but he rejected her

since he felt he had committed a sin by producing the child, also if he married

her then his 2 sisters in India would not get married. She understands his point

of view but feels unhappy about her kid being called a bastard. He still loves

her and wants to be in Australia with her, but he keeps on being indecisive,

now she has given up on him after so many yrs of waiting and begging him and

now currently fallen in love with another person and wants to marry.> > Also, I

feel that she goes to too many psychics who tell her all sort of stupid things (

personal view – nothing against psychics). The point I want to make is she has

no clear cut guidance in life. > > So she fears that the black magic might have

separated her first Love, and now she fears that once again it might act up. As

advised by Jkda she has been asked to do UL fasting which she has started

already. Does she have Vivaha Dosha , does she need to perform more remedies.>

> She feels if it is necessary when she has money she would travel to India

(currently she is unemployed by choice in order to take care of her kid), if

any rituals are to be performed to ward off her Sarpa Dosha or any more

afflictions.> > The child is of the Indian muslim that she was in love with and

wanted to marry, I think their affair continued for over 2 years. The chart of

the child is attached for perusal. The time of birth is as given by doctors.> >

> > > > In rashi, 9th house has rahu aspect-shows problem for 1st child birth.

In her D7, lagna is Le - odd sign. counting in zodiac direction, 5th from Le

(Sg) has Mars...showing medical problems. her miscarriage occured in Ke-Ra-Ve

dasa. Ve is in Mars star. 3rd from Sg is Aq. Lord Sa is in Cp a female rashi.

So her 2nd child was a daughter.> [Rath:] So my guess was right - Venus

pratyantar as Venus is TENTH LORD in Saptamsa and aspects the fifth house. Also

see the dictum about Rasi chart Lagna lord in 5th house..first child....> > > >

Dreaming of snakes:> > She has 3 malefics in 2 kendras. It should be a sarpa

dosha. Can we confer that the dreaming of snakes were due to the sarpa dosha?

This happened in her Ke-Ra dasa.> [Rath:] Sarpa yoga - correct JK > > > > Black

magic & Preta dosha:> > She becomes adept to black magic due to,> > 1. Ketu and

Sat aspecting each other and have connection to 5th house.> [Rath:] Ok first

pregnancy was miscarriage (ask her if this miscarriage was FORCED like say

abortion).> > > > SJ: Last night she confirmed that it was a miscarriage andnot

abortion, she stupidly took a vitamin tablet which her friend had warned her was

a bit too strong on stomach, but she said that her stomach is super strong , at

that time she said she was very very stressed in life and also the tension of

telling her parents that she was pregnant.> > > > 2. AL in dual rashi..conjunct

with 6L Mer and Ket in 7th behaving like mars (as Ketu is alone)> [Rath:] come

off it. Loneliness and depression following rejection in love can make people

see things. Preta badhak is far too serious a thing and if the affliction

actually occurs, then there will be tremendous violence and some terrible

physical conditions that beyond normal description. Split personality and other

traits are noticed. i have witness only one preta badhak till now and also saw

the exorcism. Long time back - durig Sat-Venus period when I was studying these

things.> > > > [jk] The description of her fisrt experience of sighting spirits

tells about a violent and painfull physical condition also.> > > > Here we are

not very clear on one thing. Are the preta dosha / badha and pishacha badha are

two different things? And if so..how both manifest? And what are the indication

in a chart that the native will be able to see or communicate with spirits? Do

such ability come from such dosha? > > SJ: She tells from the age of 21 to 28

there was a spirit guide who would always speak to her, when she told her

friends they warned her not to tell to anyone otherwise she would be declared

mad or non religious. Earlier she was afraid of this voice, but when the spirit

started always guiding her and warning her, she felt nice about the spirit since

she was always getting into trouble and associations with the wrong kind of

people. At the later age she spirit infact saved her from a road accident by

telling her to slow down and just few secs later the accident happened, if she

hadn't slowed down she would have banged into it. The communication was only

one way with the spirit, and when she wanted to talk he would never come, he

would only talk to her on his own time.> > Re the current scenario not sure if

it is black magic or spirits troubling, but the current house she lives in ,

was earlier inhabited by aboriginals. She keeps seeings faces, etc, now her

child also sees and many atimes she and her child sees them together, then the

child says : Mommmmy, look a man. One week back she saw many people and then

later in the night the child came back to her in bed and said : Mommmy there

are many people in my room.> > These are just two instances> > She fears

terribly for her child, she doesn't know if the black magic is diff from the

spirits in the current house as it was inhabited by some aboriginals who were

known to be a bit on the dark side of nature.> > > > Now her badhaka lord is

Mars..who is also aspecting Sat by rashi dristi and Ket by graha dristi. This

constitutes Preta Badha or the native is so haunted by spirits. Also

combination of Ketu & Mars causes Preta dosha as well as affliction by

spirits.> > > > It may be note here that 7th house is involved in the

dosha..and the dosha got kick started due to problems of 7th house affairs.>

[Rath:] Agreed about this that the 7th house is the cause of the sarpa

entangling her in a terrible mess. During Ketu-Jup she might have contemplated

suicide as well. But then its over now.> > Sunil: Sanjayji, she says that

during Ketu Jup period she didn't contemplate of suicide but she confirms that

it was a very very stressful period, with all sorts of family problems, she

wasa single mom, the stigma, her lover wasn't coming to her, she was sick for a

long time due to troublesome child birth, no one to take care of her or give

sound advice.> > > > [jk] sunil will confirm this from her> > > > Remedy:> >

Jup aspects Ketu and Rahu+mars all by rashi dristi and Sat by graha dristi. So

it was felt that Jup can give the solution. Jup is in 9th from moon so gem will

not work. Maha Mrityunjaya mantra was suggested for the native to avert the

effect of black magic and haunting by spirits. Mrityunjaya mantra being the

best remedy for such doshas. This mantra must do the needfull also due to the

reason that her ketu dasa is ending and ven dasa would start shortly and venus

is the owner of mrityunjaya mantra. Sun indicates her ista as Shiva. Jup also

indicates Shiva in higher form. So Mrityunjaya mantra will propiciate Jup & Sun

also. Jup is aspecting Ketu. So by propiciating Jup..ketu will get a head and

become ganesha to drive away the spirits.> [Rath:] PERFECT JK da..all the hard

work you have done on remedial measures is paying off now. > > > > [jk] i am

personally very much encouraged by your kind words. and surely Hy conference

has given a new direction to our studies.> > Sunil: She thanks for the mantra

and listens to it daily and is slowly trying to recite it. Last night she has

thanked everyone Sanjayji, Jkda, Chandrashekharji, Sarajitji, Visti and other

learned members with all of her heart and hopes to receive their guidance

forever.> > > > > > Is the remedy suggested is correct?> > > > Please guide us

with further valuable comments on the same - from gurus and other learned

members.> > > > Regards> > > > dasgupta> [Rath:] Very very good and challenging

case study. I have seen that sometimes the groups gets carried away in a

particular thread. This is due to the planetary positions for the day when the

meeting was being held. For example when this chart was being discussed, the

Moon was in exact 180 degrees aspect with Saturn!!!..so i don't blame anyone.

The graha are powerful...> > > > Sit back sometimes and think about the other

alternatives with a silent prayer to Shiva.> > > > Best regards> > Sanjay > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Parthaji,

 

Thanks for your letter.

I have not analysed the Trimsamsa chart since I am a beginner, I

haven't passed beyond the rasi chart, I have only started learning

Jyotish after Sanjayji's trip in NOv last year to bombay, as he his

lectures were amazing.

 

So i am unable to answer your post on Trimsamsa. Also, we forgot to

mention that the time of birth of the native is not exact, Guru JKda

corrected the time of birth which was posted on the list. If wanted I

can post the events to you personally or on the list so that you can

rectify the chart.

 

 

best wishes

 

Sunil John

 

vedic astrology, "V.partha sarathy"

<partvinu5> wrote:

> Om Namah Shivaya

>

> Dear Sunil

>

> I hope you have analysed the Trimsamsa chart as there have been

many

> incidents related to marriage, love and other things.

>

> D-30 lagna is Virgo, and is the 9th House from natal lagna,.

>

> Jupiter and moon placed in Virgo(virginity) and since this is 9th

> huse from natal lagna, the question involved is the brekage of

dharma

> related to sex.

>

> This lagna is aspected by saturn, rahu, sun mercury from pisces.

> The 7th house in D-30 is severely afflicted.

>

> 8th house and 3rd house have to be examined to see whether this

> suffering is from past life.

>

> 3rd house has venus, The AK, and the suffering is due to the sins

> that she has commited in past life.

>

> Whenever such cases arrive, i suggest you look at d-30 chart.

> regards

> partha

> om tat sat

>

>

[Guest guest]

Om Namah shivaya

 

Dear Jkda

 

The even signs have trimsamsas in taurus, virgo, pisces, capricorn,

and scorpio only. With the available time of birth only virgo d-30

lagna is possible. it could change to pisces only after another 15

minutes.

regards

partha

om tat sat

 

vedic astrology, "j.k. dasgupta"

<dgassociates@s...> wrote:

> Dear Partha,

>

> How you are getting D30 lagna as Virgo. I am getting it Pi. with Ra

& Ke in lagna.

>

> jk

> -

> V.partha sarathy

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:57 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: 20th mumbai meeting discussions-

dear sunil, Jk da

>

>