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Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

Pranam, some queries on this chart, as you know I am a beginner and needs to

be corrected.

 

As analysed by you, upon confirmation we get that the girls mother is a bit

neurotic. I think JKda pointed out in another post, that we had earlier

thought that the girl is hallucinating but her daughter has also now started

seeing people in the house and hence her mother is very scared.

 

I attach the daughters chart too for your perusal.

 

Apart from the case of black magic JKda had pointed out another dosha of

being haunted by spirits. The current house she is staying in was earlier

rented to aboriginals who are known to be able to access spirits very easily

it is said.

 

Sir, you had pointed out earlier that remedies should be for Venus, my query

is would this give adverse results since her past has been odd kind of sex

and its related problems. So would this strengthening of Ven backfire on her

as she is still in two minds to go back to that kind of lifestyle as now she

has her child. But if she goes back to it then problems always comes in. I

presume this is the AK Ven trying to show her the way.

 

Could you kindly comment on the nature of the coming Ven dasa.

 

As of now the native has started reading spiritual books after lot of

obstacles, is this how the AK is showing the path, I mean are the results of

the coming dasa being experienced a bit in advance.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sunil John

 

 

 

Dear JK Dasgupta,

Does this not appear to be a case of sever affliction of 5th house ? The

5th lord is debilitated, though vargottama being in house of debiitation in

both natal and navamsha charts. The Mantra Pada, and Ascendant are severely

afflicted with mandi Gulika Kala and Rahu and Vyayamsha yukta. Venus

becoming Atmakaraka is severely afflicted as trines from it in natal chart

are afflicted. Add to it aspect received by Moon lord of the 7th in

3rd(marital problems and change of partners) is again afflicted by aspect of

Mercury and Lord of the 6th Sun.I remember that in 2/8 axis mutual aspect of

Mercury-Moon can lead to loosing money. The problems to dharma sthana by her

opting for liasion with somebody of relogion other than her own indicates

that the yoga is coming through here. Saturn Lagnesh in 5th has rendered

first child as a miscarriage. Again Ketu is making sambandha with Moon being

posited in its house Cancer. Sometimes this indicates mentally compromised

persons in family. Is this the case here? Could you confirm this?

I think this is a case of severe hallucination as against actual sighting of

spirits as claimed by the lady. She could have severe persecution mania.This

is in line with Saturn in Mars Navamsha being posited in 5th house

The saving grace for this person loosing her sense of proportion completely

is of course Jupiter aspecting Moon,5th house and 7th house .

If my logic is correct better results might be obtained by strengthening

Venus and remedies in that direction might help.

Of course this how I view this chart, others might have different opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

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Chandrashekharji & John,

 

this chart have strong KSY with badhakesh Ma also involved with Ketu. Seems to

be a strong case of black magic and effliction by spirits. Exaulted Ven is

aspected by rahu, badhakesh Ma & Ke. Which type of Shapa is it? Ven is Pk. Can

it be called Putra Shapa?

 

Chandrashekharji, for academic interest..can we see from this chart that the

child is born to an unwed mother? or in other way to put it..can we judge from

this chart if the child lacks its father's support? when Pik Sun is exaulted in

4th..does it show lack of father's support?

 

john.. is the time correct? or it should be 12:02 pm.. while 9L Sat will come to 12th

 

Regrads

 

jk

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:32 PM

[vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Chandrashekharji,Pranam, some queries on this chart, as you know I am a

beginner and needs to be corrected.As analysed by you, upon confirmation we got

that the girls mother is a bit neurotic. I think JKda pointed out in another

post, that we had earlier thought that the girl is hallucinating but her

daughter has also now started seeing people in the house and hence her mother

is very scared.I attach the daughters chart too for your perusal.Apart from the

case of black magic JKda had pointed out another dosha of being haunted by

spirits. The current house she is staying in was earlier rented to aboriginals

who are known to be able to access spirits very easily it is said.Sir, you had

pointed out earlier that remedies should be for Venus, my query is would this

give adverse results since her past has been odd kind of sex and its related

problems. So would this strengthening of Ven backfire on her as she is still in

two minds to go back to that kind of lifestyle as now she has her child. But if

she goes back to it then problems always comes in. I presume this is the AK Ven

trying to show her the way.Could you kindly comment on the nature of the coming

Ven dasa.As of now the native has started reading spiritual books after lot of

obstacles, is this how the AK is showing the path, I mean are the results of

the coming dasa being experienced a bit in advance.Best wishes,Sunil JohnDear

JK Dasgupta,> Does this not appear to be a case of sever affliction of 5th

house ? The 5th lord is debilitated, though vargottama being in house of

debiitation in both natal and navamsha charts. The Mantra Pada, and Ascendant

are severely afflicted with mandi Gulika Kala and Rahu and Vyayamsha yukta.

Venus becoming Atmakaraka is severely afflicted as trines from it in natal

chart are afflicted. Add to it aspect received by Moon lord of the 7th in

3rd(marital problems and change of partners) is again afflicted by aspect of

Mercury and Lord of the 6th Sun.I remember that in 2/8 axis mutual aspect of

Mercury-Moon can lead to loosing money. The problems to dharma sthana by her

opting for liasion with somebody of relogion other than her own indicates that

the yoga is coming through here. Saturn Lagnesh in 5th has rendered first child

as a miscarriage. Again Ketu is making sambandha with Moon being posited in its

house Cancer. Sometimes this indicates mentally compromised persons in family.

Is this the case here? Could you confirm this?> I think this is a case of

severe hallucination as against actual sighting of spirits as claimed by the

lady. She could have severe persecution mania.This is in line with Saturn in

Mars Navamsha being posited in 5th house> The saving grace for this person

loosing her sense of proportion completely is of course Jupiter aspecting

Moon,5th house and 7th house .> If my logic is correct better results might be

obtained by strengthening Venus and remedies in that direction might help.> Of

course this how I view this chart, others might have different opinion. > > >

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Dear JK Dasgupta,

Are we talking about the same chart of pretabadha? I do not find any KSY as

planets are on both sides of Rahu Ketu axis. The date of birth is Oct. 4.1971

Rahu Mars in 1st Ketu in 7th and Moon in 3rd , sun venus Mercury in 9th, Sat in

5th and Jup in 11th.

I usually prefer not to comment on Jaraja putra. The reason is that there are

too many parameters and exceptions and one error of judgement on our part might

create a problem in somebody's life. However as the chart is for academic

discusions. Let us find out how to come to some conclusion about this. Having

found Sun(8th lord) and debilitated Venus with 2nd lord Mercury(though also 9th

lord), we can safely say that the jataka might have different concept of

morality. Now about father of the progeny, look at 5th house and 9th from it

for father of 1st child and 7th and 9th from it for that of the second.Here we

find that in first case 5th house houses saturn and his arch enemy Mars is 9th

from it and afflicted by Rahu in Saturn's Rasi exalted and having strength in

navamsha. So some violence in this relationship, besides being nonconventionsl.

Again in case of second child, we find Ketu in the place of the child whereas

Moon in 9th from it indicating only short duration or tumultuous relation of

the Father with the Mother(jataka) of the child. This Moon is moreover aspected

by a debilitated Venus conjunct 8th lord Sun and Mercury, so the relationship

might have been fleeting. So unwed mother or out of wedlock birth with lack of

pitrusukha would definitely be a possibility here.

Hope you find this in order,

Chandrashekhar.

 

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Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:39 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Chandrashekharji & John,

 

this chart have strong KSY with badhakesh Ma also involved with Ketu. Seems to

be a strong case of black magic and effliction by spirits. Exaulted Ven is

aspected by rahu, badhakesh Ma & Ke. Which type of Shapa is it? Ven is Pk. Can

it be called Putra Shapa?

 

Chandrashekharji, for academic interest..can we see from this chart that the

child is born to an unwed mother? or in other way to put it..can we judge from

this chart if the child lacks its father's support? when Pik Sun is exaulted in

4th..does it show lack of father's support?

 

john.. is the time correct? or it should be 12:02 pm.. while 9L Sat will come to 12th

 

Regrads

 

jk

-

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vedic astrology

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:32 PM

[vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Chandrashekharji,Pranam, some queries on this chart, as you know I am a

beginner and needs to be corrected.As analysed by you, upon confirmation we got

that the girls mother is a bit neurotic. I think JKda pointed out in another

post, that we had earlier thought that the girl is hallucinating but her

daughter has also now started seeing people in the house and hence her mother

is very scared.I attach the daughters chart too for your perusal.Apart from the

case of black magic JKda had pointed out another dosha of being haunted by

spirits. The current house she is staying in was earlier rented to aboriginals

who are known to be able to access spirits very easily it is said.Sir, you had

pointed out earlier that remedies should be for Venus, my query is would this

give adverse results since her past has been odd kind of sex and its related

problems. So would this strengthening of Ven backfire on her as she is still in

two minds to go back to that kind of lifestyle as now she has her child. But if

she goes back to it then problems always comes in. I presume this is the AK Ven

trying to show her the way.Could you kindly comment on the nature of the coming

Ven dasa.As of now the native has started reading spiritual books after lot of

obstacles, is this how the AK is showing the path, I mean are the results of

the coming dasa being experienced a bit in advance.Best wishes,Sunil JohnDear

JK Dasgupta,> Does this not appear to be a case of sever affliction of 5th

house ? The 5th lord is debilitated, though vargottama being in house of

debiitation in both natal and navamsha charts. The Mantra Pada, and Ascendant

are severely afflicted with mandi Gulika Kala and Rahu and Vyayamsha yukta.

Venus becoming Atmakaraka is severely afflicted as trines from it in natal

chart are afflicted. Add to it aspect received by Moon lord of the 7th in

3rd(marital problems and change of partners) is again afflicted by aspect of

Mercury and Lord of the 6th Sun.I remember that in 2/8 axis mutual aspect of

Mercury-Moon can lead to loosing money. The problems to dharma sthana by her

opting for liasion with somebody of relogion other than her own indicates that

the yoga is coming through here. Saturn Lagnesh in 5th has rendered first child

as a miscarriage. Again Ketu is making sambandha with Moon being posited in its

house Cancer. Sometimes this indicates mentally compromised persons in family.

Is this the case here? Could you confirm this?> I think this is a case of

severe hallucination as against actual sighting of spirits as claimed by the

lady. She could have severe persecution mania.This is in line with Saturn in

Mars Navamsha being posited in 5th house> The saving grace for this person

loosing her sense of proportion completely is of course Jupiter aspecting

Moon,5th house and 7th house .> If my logic is correct better results might be

obtained by strengthening Venus and remedies in that direction might help.> Of

course this how I view this chart, others might have different opinion. > > >

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Dear Sunil,

If you look at the daughter's chart what strikes you is connection of venus(Lord

of the 5th) to 9th house(by aspect) as in the case of mother. The venus here too

is debilitated in navamsha and so will give those results. Mars afflicted by

Ketu aspects this venus from 12th house, so possibility of strong and strange

sexual drive in the daughter cannot be ruled out.

Moon and Mercury are together with 8th lord Sun and 6th lord Mercury. Mercury is

further afflicted by Rahu being deposited in his house and similar connection of

Buddhipati Venus with his other house the 9th. Also look at connection of

Sat/Jupiter with 5th house here as in the case of the mother.

Severe mental disturbance coupled with escaping in to imaginary realm cannot be

ruled out here too as in the case of the mother but on a different level.

It is easy to pass on something on to pretadosha or badha, the classic yogas

occur with less frequency than is generally believed. Again for any black magic

to affect one, assuming that the practioner is a master; one has to have done

something really bad. Otherwise it affects the practiotioner him/herself. Here

again strength of mind plays a strong role.

At least this is how I view this matter.You must have observed that I usually do

not prefer to comment on curses and posession by spirits. The reason is , I have

no way of finding out whether what ever prediction I made in that regard is

correct or not. It is too much dependent on what a jatak feels about it than

what might be correct.

This of course does not mean that those who follow this line are wrong. Just

that I do not feel myself expert enough to comment on things that I have not

understoood in their entirety.

About Venus, yes others have also asked on similar lines. The basic principle of

astrology is that a planet that is strong helps where as a planet which is weak

might create problems to the bhava.That is why we say a debilitated shubha

planet will create problems. Venus when strong teaches one how to control

desires and still enjoy life. The ladiy's problems have their genesis in a weak

Venus and I think it should help her than harm. Again remember Venus as

Atmakaraka has very different role and the principles of how a graha is taken

to be atmakaraka will reveal that the planet is usually weak. The reason is

that it is the planet in highest degrees, like here it is in the last 6 degrees

of sign virgo, where being even rasi he is Bal (child) hence the childish

attitude towards sex of this lady. Had it been may be Darakaraka he might have

given more serious attitude towards casual sex. That is why strengthening

atmakaraka should only be done when he becomes a yogakaraka as in the instant

horoscope and not otherwise.

Others might have different views.

Hope this helps,

Chandrashekhar.

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vedic astrology

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:32 PM

[vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Chandrashekharji,Pranam, some queries on this chart, as you know I am a

beginner and needs to be corrected.As analysed by you, upon confirmation we got

that the girls mother is a bit neurotic. I think JKda pointed out in another

post, that we had earlier thought that the girl is hallucinating but her

daughter has also now started seeing people in the house and hence her mother

is very scared.I attach the daughters chart too for your perusal.Apart from the

case of black magic JKda had pointed out another dosha of being haunted by

spirits. The current house she is staying in was earlier rented to aboriginals

who are known to be able to access spirits very easily it is said.Sir, you had

pointed out earlier that remedies should be for Venus, my query is would this

give adverse results since her past has been odd kind of sex and its related

problems. So would this strengthening of Ven backfire on her as she is still in

two minds to go back to that kind of lifestyle as now she has her child. But if

she goes back to it then problems always comes in. I presume this is the AK Ven

trying to show her the way.Could you kindly comment on the nature of the coming

Ven dasa.As of now the native has started reading spiritual books after lot of

obstacles, is this how the AK is showing the path, I mean are the results of

the coming dasa being experienced a bit in advance.Best wishes,Sunil JohnDear

JK Dasgupta,> Does this not appear to be a case of sever affliction of 5th

house ? The 5th lord is debilitated, though vargottama being in house of

debiitation in both natal and navamsha charts. The Mantra Pada, and Ascendant

are severely afflicted with mandi Gulika Kala and Rahu and Vyayamsha yukta.

Venus becoming Atmakaraka is severely afflicted as trines from it in natal

chart are afflicted. Add to it aspect received by Moon lord of the 7th in

3rd(marital problems and change of partners) is again afflicted by aspect of

Mercury and Lord of the 6th Sun.I remember that in 2/8 axis mutual aspect of

Mercury-Moon can lead to loosing money. The problems to dharma sthana by her

opting for liasion with somebody of relogion other than her own indicates that

the yoga is coming through here. Saturn Lagnesh in 5th has rendered first child

as a miscarriage. Again Ketu is making sambandha with Moon being posited in its

house Cancer. Sometimes this indicates mentally compromised persons in family.

Is this the case here? Could you confirm this?> I think this is a case of

severe hallucination as against actual sighting of spirits as claimed by the

lady. She could have severe persecution mania.This is in line with Saturn in

Mars Navamsha being posited in 5th house> The saving grace for this person

loosing her sense of proportion completely is of course Jupiter aspecting

Moon,5th house and 7th house .> If my logic is correct better results might be

obtained by strengthening Venus and remedies in that direction might help.> Of

course this how I view this chart, others might have different opinion. > > >

> > > > The New Search -

Faster. Easier. Bingo. > ATTACHMENT part 2.2 application/octet-stream

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Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

There is a confusion. I was talking abiut the chart of the daughter. I was

wondering if these things can be looked into the daughter's chart. Can you plz

again look into it?

 

I agree with your analysis of looking into the father of the children from the

mother's chart and is very educative.

 

Regards

 

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Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:44 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear JK Dasgupta,

Are we talking about the same chart of pretabadha? I do not find any KSY as

planets are on both sides of Rahu Ketu axis. The date of birth is Oct. 4.1971

Rahu Mars in 1st Ketu in 7th and Moon in 3rd , sun venus Mercury in 9th, Sat in

5th and Jup in 11th.

I usually prefer not to comment on Jaraja putra. The reason is that there are

too many parameters and exceptions and one error of judgement on our part might

create a problem in somebody's life. However as the chart is for academic

discusions. Let us find out how to come to some conclusion about this. Having

found Sun(8th lord) and debilitated Venus with 2nd lord Mercury(though also 9th

lord), we can safely say that the jataka might have different concept of

morality. Now about father of the progeny, look at 5th house and 9th from it

for father of 1st child and 7th and 9th from it for that of the second.Here we

find that in first case 5th house houses saturn and his arch enemy Mars is 9th

from it and afflicted by Rahu in Saturn's Rasi exalted and having strength in

navamsha. So some violence in this relationship, besides being nonconventionsl.

Again in case of second child, we find Ketu in the place of the child whereas

Moon in 9th from it indicating only short duration or tumultuous relation of

the Father with the Mother(jataka) of the child. This Moon is moreover aspected

by a debilitated Venus conjunct 8th lord Sun and Mercury, so the relationship

might have been fleeting. So unwed mother or out of wedlock birth with lack of

pitrusukha would definitely be a possibility here.

Hope you find this in order,

Chandrashekhar.

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

vedic astrology

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:39 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Chandrashekharji & John,

 

this chart have strong KSY with badhakesh Ma also involved with Ketu. Seems to

be a strong case of black magic and effliction by spirits. Exaulted Ven is

aspected by rahu, badhakesh Ma & Ke. Which type of Shapa is it? Ven is Pk. Can

it be called Putra Shapa?

 

Chandrashekharji, for academic interest..can we see from this chart that the

child is born to an unwed mother? or in other way to put it..can we judge from

this chart if the child lacks its father's support? when Pik Sun is exaulted in

4th..does it show lack of father's support?

 

john.. is the time correct? or it should be 12:02 pm.. while 9L Sat will come to 12th

 

Regrads

 

jk

-

suniljohn (AT) softhome (DOT) net

vedic astrology

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:32 PM

[vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Chandrashekharji,Pranam, some queries on this chart, as you know I am a

beginner and needs to be corrected.As analysed by you, upon confirmation we got

that the girls mother is a bit neurotic. I think JKda pointed out in another

post, that we had earlier thought that the girl is hallucinating but her

daughter has also now started seeing people in the house and hence her mother

is very scared.I attach the daughters chart too for your perusal.Apart from the

case of black magic JKda had pointed out another dosha of being haunted by

spirits. The current house she is staying in was earlier rented to aboriginals

who are known to be able to access spirits very easily it is said.Sir, you had

pointed out earlier that remedies should be for Venus, my query is would this

give adverse results since her past has been odd kind of sex and its related

problems. So would this strengthening of Ven backfire on her as she is still in

two minds to go back to that kind of lifestyle as now she has her child. But if

she goes back to it then problems always comes in. I presume this is the AK Ven

trying to show her the way.Could you kindly comment on the nature of the coming

Ven dasa.As of now the native has started reading spiritual books after lot of

obstacles, is this how the AK is showing the path, I mean are the results of

the coming dasa being experienced a bit in advance.Best wishes,Sunil JohnDear

JK Dasgupta,> Does this not appear to be a case of sever affliction of 5th

house ? The 5th lord is debilitated, though vargottama being in house of

debiitation in both natal and navamsha charts. The Mantra Pada, and Ascendant

are severely afflicted with mandi Gulika Kala and Rahu and Vyayamsha yukta.

Venus becoming Atmakaraka is severely afflicted as trines from it in natal

chart are afflicted. Add to it aspect received by Moon lord of the 7th in

3rd(marital problems and change of partners) is again afflicted by aspect of

Mercury and Lord of the 6th Sun.I remember that in 2/8 axis mutual aspect of

Mercury-Moon can lead to loosing money. The problems to dharma sthana by her

opting for liasion with somebody of relogion other than her own indicates that

the yoga is coming through here. Saturn Lagnesh in 5th has rendered first child

as a miscarriage. Again Ketu is making sambandha with Moon being posited in its

house Cancer. Sometimes this indicates mentally compromised persons in family.

Is this the case here? Could you confirm this?> I think this is a case of

severe hallucination as against actual sighting of spirits as claimed by the

lady. She could have severe persecution mania.This is in line with Saturn in

Mars Navamsha being posited in 5th house> The saving grace for this person

loosing her sense of proportion completely is of course Jupiter aspecting

Moon,5th house and 7th house .> If my logic is correct better results might be

obtained by strengthening Venus and remedies in that direction might help.> Of

course this how I view this chart, others might have different opinion. > > >

> > > > The New Search -

Faster. Easier. Bingo. > ATTACHMENT part 2.2 application/octet-stream

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Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

This is the chart of the daughter and i was talking about this one only. some

comments below. however, have you noticed one thing? now a days lot of mails

are being exchanged on curses / preta badha etc. even sjc, delhi were having

classes on this and we in mumbai - unknowingly, started discussion on this

chart.

 

any perticular planetory combination for this?

 

Regards

 

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Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:09 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Sunil,

If you look at the daughter's chart what strikes you is connection of venus(Lord

of the 5th) to 9th house(by aspect) as in the case of mother. The venus here too

is debilitated in navamsha and so will give those results. Mars afflicted by

Ketu aspects this venus from 12th house, so possibility of strong and strange

sexual drive in the daughter cannot be ruled out.

Moon and Mercury are together with 8th lord Sun and 6th lord Mercury. Mercury is

further afflicted by Rahu being deposited in his house and similar connection of

Buddhipati Venus with his other house the 9th. Also look at connection of

Sat/Jupiter with 5th house here as in the case of the mother.

 

[jk] above all these affliction it has KSY also. Mars with Ket may not break the

yoga....and again mars+ketu

 

Severe mental disturbance coupled with escaping in to imaginary realm cannot be

ruled out here too as in the case of the mother but on a different level.

It is easy to pass on something on to pretadosha or badha, the classic yogas

occur with less frequency than is generally believed. Again for any black magic

to affect one, assuming that the practioner is a master; one has to have done

something really bad. Otherwise it affects the practiotioner him/herself. Here

again strength of mind plays a strong role.

At least this is how I view this matter.You must have observed that I usually do

not prefer to comment on curses and posession by spirits. The reason is , I have

no way of finding out whether what ever prediction I made in that regard is

correct or not. It is too much dependent on what a jatak feels about it than

what might be correct.

This of course does not mean that those who follow this line are wrong. Just

that I do not feel myself expert enough to comment on things that I have not

understoood in their entirety.

 

[jk] you are very right and i agree with you.

 

About Venus, yes others have also asked on similar lines. The basic principle of

astrology is that a planet that is strong helps where as a planet which is weak

might create problems to the bhava.That is why we say a debilitated shubha

planet will create problems. Venus when strong teaches one how to control

desires and still enjoy life. The ladiy's problems have their genesis in a weak

Venus and I think it should help her than harm. Again remember Venus as

Atmakaraka has very different role and the principles of how a graha is taken

to be atmakaraka will reveal that the planet is usually weak. The reason is

that it is the planet in highest degrees, like here it is in the last 6 degrees

of sign virgo, where being even rasi he is Bal (child) hence the childish

attitude towards sex of this lady. Had it been may be Darakaraka he might have

given more serious attitude towards casual sex. That is why strengthening

atmakaraka should only be done when he becomes a yogakaraka as in the instant

horoscope and not otherwise.

 

[jk] you may be correct on this. we shall request Sanjayji and others to plz

comment on this perticular case.

 

 

Others might have different views.

Hope this helps,

Chandrashekhar.

-

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vedic astrology

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:32 PM

[vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Chandrashekharji,Pranam, some queries on this chart, as you know I am a

beginner and needs to be corrected.As analysed by you, upon confirmation we got

that the girls mother is a bit neurotic. I think JKda pointed out in another

post, that we had earlier thought that the girl is hallucinating but her

daughter has also now started seeing people in the house and hence her mother

is very scared.I attach the daughters chart too for your perusal.Apart from the

case of black magic JKda had pointed out another dosha of being haunted by

spirits. The current house she is staying in was earlier rented to aboriginals

who are known to be able to access spirits very easily it is said.Sir, you had

pointed out earlier that remedies should be for Venus, my query is would this

give adverse results since her past has been odd kind of sex and its related

problems. So would this strengthening of Ven backfire on her as she is still in

two minds to go back to that kind of lifestyle as now she has her child. But if

she goes back to it then problems always comes in. I presume this is the AK Ven

trying to show her the way.Could you kindly comment on the nature of the coming

Ven dasa.As of now the native has started reading spiritual books after lot of

obstacles, is this how the AK is showing the path, I mean are the results of

the coming dasa being experienced a bit in advance.Best wishes,Sunil JohnDear

JK Dasgupta,> Does this not appear to be a case of sever affliction of 5th

house ? The 5th lord is debilitated, though vargottama being in house of

debiitation in both natal and navamsha charts. The Mantra Pada, and Ascendant

are severely afflicted with mandi Gulika Kala and Rahu and Vyayamsha yukta.

Venus becoming Atmakaraka is severely afflicted as trines from it in natal

chart are afflicted. Add to it aspect received by Moon lord of the 7th in

3rd(marital problems and change of partners) is again afflicted by aspect of

Mercury and Lord of the 6th Sun.I remember that in 2/8 axis mutual aspect of

Mercury-Moon can lead to loosing money. The problems to dharma sthana by her

opting for liasion with somebody of relogion other than her own indicates that

the yoga is coming through here. Saturn Lagnesh in 5th has rendered first child

as a miscarriage. Again Ketu is making sambandha with Moon being posited in its

house Cancer. Sometimes this indicates mentally compromised persons in family.

Is this the case here? Could you confirm this?> I think this is a case of

severe hallucination as against actual sighting of spirits as claimed by the

lady. She could have severe persecution mania.This is in line with Saturn in

Mars Navamsha being posited in 5th house> The saving grace for this person

loosing her sense of proportion completely is of course Jupiter aspecting

Moon,5th house and 7th house .> If my logic is correct better results might be

obtained by strengthening Venus and remedies in that direction might help.> Of

course this how I view this chart, others might have different opinion. > > >

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Dear JKda

 

you must have noticed sun rahu together, now moon is going to join,

thus the discussions,

regards

partha

om tat sat

 

vedic astrology, "j.k. dasgupta"

<dgassociates@s...> wrote:

> Dear Chandrashekharji,

>

> This is the chart of the daughter and i was talking about this one

only. some comments below. however, have you noticed one thing? now a

days lot of mails are being exchanged on curses / preta badha etc.

even sjc, delhi were having classes on this and we in mumbai -

unknowingly, started discussion on this chart.

>

> any perticular planetory combination for this?

>

> Regards

>

> jk

> -

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> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:09 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting

proceedings, mumbai

>

>

> Dear Sunil,

> If you look at the daughter's chart what strikes you is

connection of venus(Lord of the 5th) to 9th house(by aspect) as in

the case of mother. The venus here too is debilitated in navamsha and

so will give those results. Mars afflicted by Ketu aspects this

venus from 12th house, so possibility of strong and strange sexual

drive in the daughter cannot be ruled out.

> Moon and Mercury are together with 8th lord Sun and 6th lord

Mercury. Mercury is further afflicted by Rahu being deposited in his

house and similar connection of Buddhipati Venus with his other house

the 9th. Also look at connection of Sat/Jupiter with 5th house here

as in the case of the mother.

>

> [jk] above all these affliction it has KSY also. Mars with Ket

may not break the yoga....and again mars+ketu

>

> Severe mental disturbance coupled with escaping in to imaginary

realm cannot be ruled out here too as in the case of the mother but

on a different level.

> It is easy to pass on something on to pretadosha or badha, the

classic yogas occur with less frequency than is generally believed.

Again for any black magic to affect one, assuming that the practioner

is a master; one has to have done something really bad. Otherwise it

affects the practiotioner him/herself. Here again strength of mind

plays a strong role.

> At least this is how I view this matter.You must have observed

that I usually do not prefer to comment on curses and posession by

spirits. The reason is , I have no way of finding out whether what

ever prediction I made in that regard is correct or not. It is too

much dependent on what a jatak feels about it than what might be

correct.

> This of course does not mean that those who follow this line are

wrong. Just that I do not feel myself expert enough to comment on

things that I have not understoood in their entirety.

>

> [jk] you are very right and i agree with you.

>

> About Venus, yes others have also asked on similar lines. The

basic principle of astrology is that a planet that is strong helps

where as a planet which is weak might create problems to the

bhava.That is why we say a debilitated shubha planet will create

problems. Venus when strong teaches one how to control desires and

still enjoy life. The ladiy's problems have their genesis in a weak

Venus and I think it should help her than harm. Again remember Venus

as Atmakaraka has very different role and the principles of how a

graha is taken to be atmakaraka will reveal that the planet is

usually weak. The reason is that it is the planet in highest degrees,

like here it is in the last 6 degrees of sign virgo, where being even

rasi he is Bal (child) hence the childish attitude towards sex of

this lady. Had it been may be Darakaraka he might have given more

serious attitude towards casual sex. That is why strengthening

atmakaraka should only be done when he becomes a yogakaraka as in the

instant horoscope and not otherwise.

>

> [jk] you may be correct on this. we shall request Sanjayji and

others to plz comment on this perticular case.

>

>

> Others might have different views.

> Hope this helps,

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> suniljohn@s...

> vedic astrology

> Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:32 PM

> [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings,

mumbai

>

>

>

> Dear Chandrashekharji,

>

> Pranam, some queries on this chart, as you know I am a beginner

and needs to

> be corrected.

>

> As analysed by you, upon confirmation we got that the girls

mother is a bit

> neurotic. I think JKda pointed out in another post, that we had

earlier

> thought that the girl is hallucinating but her daughter has

also now started

> seeing people in the house and hence her mother is very scared.

>

> I attach the daughters chart too for your perusal.

>

> Apart from the case of black magic JKda had pointed out another

dosha of

> being haunted by spirits. The current house she is staying in

was earlier

> rented to aboriginals who are known to be able to access

spirits very easily

> it is said.

>

> Sir, you had pointed out earlier that remedies should be for

Venus, my query

> is would this give adverse results since her past has been odd

kind of sex

> and its related problems. So would this strengthening of Ven

backfire on her

> as she is still in two minds to go back to that kind of

lifestyle as now she

> has her child. But if she goes back to it then problems always

comes in. I

> presume this is the AK Ven trying to show her the way.

>

> Could you kindly comment on the nature of the coming Ven dasa.

>

> As of now the native has started reading spiritual books after

lot of

> obstacles, is this how the AK is showing the path, I mean are

the results of

> the coming dasa being experienced a bit in advance.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sunil John

>

>

>

> Dear JK Dasgupta,

> > Does this not appear to be a case of sever affliction of 5th

house ? The 5th lord is debilitated, though vargottama being in house

of debiitation in both natal and navamsha charts. The Mantra Pada,

and Ascendant are severely afflicted with mandi Gulika Kala and Rahu

and Vyayamsha yukta. Venus becoming Atmakaraka is severely afflicted

as trines from it in natal chart are afflicted. Add to it aspect

received by Moon lord of the 7th in 3rd(marital problems and change

of partners) is again afflicted by aspect of Mercury and Lord of the

6th Sun.I remember that in 2/8 axis mutual aspect of Mercury-Moon can

lead to loosing money. The problems to dharma sthana by her opting

for liasion with somebody of relogion other than her own indicates

that the yoga is coming through here. Saturn Lagnesh in 5th has

rendered first child as a miscarriage. Again Ketu is making sambandha

with Moon being posited in its house Cancer. Sometimes this indicates

mentally compromised persons in family. Is this the case here? Could

you confirm this?

> > I think this is a case of severe hallucination as against

actual sighting of spirits as claimed by the lady. She could have

severe persecution mania.This is in line with Saturn in Mars Navamsha

being posited in 5th house

> > The saving grace for this person loosing her sense of

proportion completely is of course Jupiter aspecting Moon,5th house

and 7th house .

> > If my logic is correct better results might be obtained by

strengthening Venus and remedies in that direction might help.

> > Of course this how I view this chart, others might have

different opinion.

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Dear J.K.Dasgupta,

I agree that there is KSY in the daughter's horoscope. My own views on Kalasarpa

yogas are a bit non conformist, and as such I always hesitate to comment on its

effects.

However it is always a pleasure to discuss with those, who are knowledgeable.

Kalasarpa yoga, as it is called has come in to fashion in recent years. Most

ancient texts do not even mention it. When I started studying astrology about40

and some years back(and am still studying it); nobody mentioned the yoga barring

a few. It was always saturn's deadly Sade Sati that was under discussion. KSY

came into fashion , at least in my state of mmaharashtra as Jyotish from

western part of Maharashtra and Purohit's of Trimbakashwara found a link of Nag

in Narayana Nag Bali and the Sarpa of Kalasarpa(And probably found a good market

in gullibles). The ritual of Narayana Nag Bali has to do with Pinda daana and is

not for Sarpa dosha (which is any way different from KSY which is ascribed to

KSY).

What we tend to forget is that Dragon's head and Dragon's tail are concepts of

western astrology and not edic astrology. Sarpa Dosha has to do with malefics

in three quadrant and not remotely connected with KSY.

 

About the chart in hand, if we see how the KSY is to operate, then it might

actually be a blessing rather than curse for her as no planet can have a full

7th house aspect on the sensitive sthanas from 7h to12th barring Mars ,Jupiter

and Saturn who anyway aspect the sthanas that they should, Mars the 6th Jupiter

the Ascendant and Saturn the 2nd which is his own Rasi in that half of the

horoscope.

Of couse Ketu and Mars together(Remember Kujavat Ketu) in 12th house lorded

over by Jupiter, a friend, and for Ketu an exaltation rasi, have their own

significance. They are liable to damage her marital life and being lord of the

11th and 4th might make her go to distant lands to earn her livelyhood. The

saving grace is exchange of house between Venus and Jupiter, this should, to

soe extent modify the illeffects of Venus debilitation in navamsha.

At least this how I see it . I am eagerly awaiting Sanjayji,s inputs on role of Atmakaraka.

With regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

-

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vedic astrology ;

Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:52 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

This is the chart of the daughter and i was talking about this one only. some

comments below. however, have you noticed one thing? now a days lot of mails

are being exchanged on curses / preta badha etc. even sjc, delhi were having

classes on this and we in mumbai - unknowingly, started discussion on this

chart.

 

any perticular planetory combination for this?

 

Regards

 

jk

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:09 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Sunil,

If you look at the daughter's chart what strikes you is connection of venus(Lord

of the 5th) to 9th house(by aspect) as in the case of mother. The venus here too

is debilitated in navamsha and so will give those results. Mars afflicted by

Ketu aspects this venus from 12th house, so possibility of strong and strange

sexual drive in the daughter cannot be ruled out.

Moon and Mercury are together with 8th lord Sun and 6th lord Mercury. Mercury is

further afflicted by Rahu being deposited in his house and similar connection of

Buddhipati Venus with his other house the 9th. Also look at connection of

Sat/Jupiter with 5th house here as in the case of the mother.

 

[jk] above all these affliction it has KSY also. Mars with Ket may not break the

yoga....and again mars+ketu

 

Severe mental disturbance coupled with escaping in to imaginary realm cannot be

ruled out here too as in the case of the mother but on a different level.

It is easy to pass on something on to pretadosha or badha, the classic yogas

occur with less frequency than is generally believed. Again for any black magic

to affect one, assuming that the practioner is a master; one has to have done

something really bad. Otherwise it affects the practiotioner him/herself. Here

again strength of mind plays a strong role.

At least this is how I view this matter.You must have observed that I usually do

not prefer to comment on curses and posession by spirits. The reason is , I have

no way of finding out whether what ever prediction I made in that regard is

correct or not. It is too much dependent on what a jatak feels about it than

what might be correct.

This of course does not mean that those who follow this line are wrong. Just

that I do not feel myself expert enough to comment on things that I have not

understoood in their entirety.

 

[jk] you are very right and i agree with you.

 

About Venus, yes others have also asked on similar lines. The basic principle of

astrology is that a planet that is strong helps where as a planet which is weak

might create problems to the bhava.That is why we say a debilitated shubha

planet will create problems. Venus when strong teaches one how to control

desires and still enjoy life. The lady's problems have their genesis in a weak

Venus and I think it should help her than harm. Again remember Venus as

Atmakaraka has very different role and the principles of how a graha is taken

to be atmakaraka will reveal that the planet is usually weak. The reason is

that it is the planet in highest degrees, like here it is in the last 6 degrees

of sign virgo, where being even rasi he is Bal (child) hence the childish

attitude towards sex of this lady. Had it been may be Darakaraka he might have

given more serious attitude towards casual sex. That is why strengthening

atmakaraka should only be done when he becomes a yogakaraka as in the instant

horoscope and not otherwise.

 

[jk] you may be correct on this. we shall request Sanjayji and others to plz

comment on this perticular case.

 

 

Others might have different views.

Hope this helps,

Chandrashekhar.

-

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vedic astrology

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:32 PM

[vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Chandrashekharji,Pranam, some queries on this chart, as you know I am a

beginner and needs to be corrected.As analysed by you, upon confirmation we got

that the girls mother is a bit neurotic. I think JKda pointed out in another

post, that we had earlier thought that the girl is hallucinating but her

daughter has also now started seeing people in the house and hence her mother

is very scared.I attach the daughters chart too for your perusal.Apart from the

case of black magic JKda had pointed out another dosha of being haunted by

spirits. The current house she is staying in was earlier rented to aboriginals

who are known to be able to access spirits very easily it is said.Sir, you had

pointed out earlier that remedies should be for Venus, my query is would this

give adverse results since her past has been odd kind of sex and its related

problems. So would this strengthening of Ven backfire on her as she is still in

two minds to go back to that kind of lifestyle as now she has her child. But if

she goes back to it then problems always comes in. I presume this is the AK Ven

trying to show her the way.Could you kindly comment on the nature of the coming

Ven dasa.As of now the native has started reading spiritual books after lot of

obstacles, is this how the AK is showing the path, I mean are the results of

the coming dasa being experienced a bit in advance.Best wishes,Sunil JohnDear

JK Dasgupta,> Does this not appear to be a case of sever affliction of 5th

house ? The 5th lord is debilitated, though vargottama being in house of

debiitation in both natal and navamsha charts. The Mantra Pada, and Ascendant

are severely afflicted with mandi Gulika Kala and Rahu and Vyayamsha yukta.

Venus becoming Atmakaraka is severely afflicted as trines from it in natal

chart are afflicted. Add to it aspect received by Moon lord of the 7th in

3rd(marital problems and change of partners) is again afflicted by aspect of

Mercury and Lord of the 6th Sun.I remember that in 2/8 axis mutual aspect of

Mercury-Moon can lead to loosing money. The problems to dharma sthana by her

opting for liasion with somebody of relogion other than her own indicates that

the yoga is coming through here. Saturn Lagnesh in 5th has rendered first child

as a miscarriage. Again Ketu is making sambandha with Moon being posited in its

house Cancer. Sometimes this indicates mentally compromised persons in family.

Is this the case here? Could you confirm this?> I think this is a case of

severe hallucination as against actual sighting of spirits as claimed by the

lady. She could have severe persecution mania.This is in line with Saturn in

Mars Navamsha being posited in 5th house> The saving grace for this person

loosing her sense of proportion completely is of course Jupiter aspecting

Moon,5th house and 7th house .> If my logic is correct better results might be

obtained by strengthening Venus and remedies in that direction might help.> Of

course this how I view this chart, others might have different opinion. > > >

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Dear JK da,

It could have some thing to do with the imminent Solar eclipse(Atma eclipsed?)

and specially he conjuncts Rahu. Again if we take Taurus ascendant where Sun is

posited, Saturn in Vachasthana resides in house of death and aspects Ayushya

sthana indicating how the death is to take place. No-no I am not making a

mistake but giving correct nomenclature to 2nd and 8th houses. Sun and Mars

have impatience and a tendency to listen to answers to their liking, so may be

we are looking at pretbadha and devatas to be propiated as quick fix solutions

instead of looking deeper in to the horoscopes.

Or may be we are looking at things from astrological view point when it might mere co-incidence.

About the rest, I have sent you a separate mail.

with best regards,

Chandrashekhar.

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Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:52 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

This is the chart of the daughter and i was talking about this one only. some

comments below. however, have you noticed one thing? now a days lot of mails

are being exchanged on curses / preta badha etc. even sjc, delhi were having

classes on this and we in mumbai - unknowingly, started discussion on this

chart.

 

any perticular planetory combination for this?

 

Regards

 

jk

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:09 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Sunil,

If you look at the daughter's chart what strikes you is connection of venus(Lord

of the 5th) to 9th house(by aspect) as in the case of mother. The venus here too

is debilitated in navamsha and so will give those results. Mars afflicted by

Ketu aspects this venus from 12th house, so possibility of strong and strange

sexual drive in the daughter cannot be ruled out.

Moon and Mercury are together with 8th lord Sun and 6th lord Mercury. Mercury is

further afflicted by Rahu being deposited in his house and similar connection of

Buddhipati Venus with his other house the 9th. Also look at connection of

Sat/Jupiter with 5th house here as in the case of the mother.

 

[jk] above all these affliction it has KSY also. Mars with Ket may not break the

yoga....and again mars+ketu

 

Severe mental disturbance coupled with escaping in to imaginary realm cannot be

ruled out here too as in the case of the mother but on a different level.

It is easy to pass on something on to pretadosha or badha, the classic yogas

occur with less frequency than is generally believed. Again for any black magic

to affect one, assuming that the practioner is a master; one has to have done

something really bad. Otherwise it affects the practiotioner him/herself. Here

again strength of mind plays a strong role.

At least this is how I view this matter.You must have observed that I usually do

not prefer to comment on curses and posession by spirits. The reason is , I have

no way of finding out whether what ever prediction I made in that regard is

correct or not. It is too much dependent on what a jatak feels about it than

what might be correct.

This of course does not mean that those who follow this line are wrong. Just

that I do not feel myself expert enough to comment on things that I have not

understoood in their entirety.

 

[jk] you are very right and i agree with you.

 

About Venus, yes others have also asked on similar lines. The basic principle of

astrology is that a planet that is strong helps where as a planet which is weak

might create problems to the bhava.That is why we say a debilitated shubha

planet will create problems. Venus when strong teaches one how to control

desires and still enjoy life. The ladiy's problems have their genesis in a weak

Venus and I think it should help her than harm. Again remember Venus as

Atmakaraka has very different role and the principles of how a graha is taken

to be atmakaraka will reveal that the planet is usually weak. The reason is

that it is the planet in highest degrees, like here it is in the last 6 degrees

of sign virgo, where being even rasi he is Bal (child) hence the childish

attitude towards sex of this lady. Had it been may be Darakaraka he might have

given more serious attitude towards casual sex. That is why strengthening

atmakaraka should only be done when he becomes a yogakaraka as in the instant

horoscope and not otherwise.

 

[jk] you may be correct on this. we shall request Sanjayji and others to plz

comment on this perticular case.

 

 

Others might have different views.

Hope this helps,

Chandrashekhar.

-

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vedic astrology

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:32 PM

[vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Chandrashekharji,Pranam, some queries on this chart, as you know I am a

beginner and needs to be corrected.As analysed by you, upon confirmation we got

that the girls mother is a bit neurotic. I think JKda pointed out in another

post, that we had earlier thought that the girl is hallucinating but her

daughter has also now started seeing people in the house and hence her mother

is very scared.I attach the daughters chart too for your perusal.Apart from the

case of black magic JKda had pointed out another dosha of being haunted by

spirits. The current house she is staying in was earlier rented to aboriginals

who are known to be able to access spirits very easily it is said.Sir, you had

pointed out earlier that remedies should be for Venus, my query is would this

give adverse results since her past has been odd kind of sex and its related

problems. So would this strengthening of Ven backfire on her as she is still in

two minds to go back to that kind of lifestyle as now she has her child. But if

she goes back to it then problems always comes in. I presume this is the AK Ven

trying to show her the way.Could you kindly comment on the nature of the coming

Ven dasa.As of now the native has started reading spiritual books after lot of

obstacles, is this how the AK is showing the path, I mean are the results of

the coming dasa being experienced a bit in advance.Best wishes,Sunil JohnDear

JK Dasgupta,> Does this not appear to be a case of sever affliction of 5th

house ? The 5th lord is debilitated, though vargottama being in house of

debiitation in both natal and navamsha charts. The Mantra Pada, and Ascendant

are severely afflicted with mandi Gulika Kala and Rahu and Vyayamsha yukta.

Venus becoming Atmakaraka is severely afflicted as trines from it in natal

chart are afflicted. Add to it aspect received by Moon lord of the 7th in

3rd(marital problems and change of partners) is again afflicted by aspect of

Mercury and Lord of the 6th Sun.I remember that in 2/8 axis mutual aspect of

Mercury-Moon can lead to loosing money. The problems to dharma sthana by her

opting for liasion with somebody of relogion other than her own indicates that

the yoga is coming through here. Saturn Lagnesh in 5th has rendered first child

as a miscarriage. Again Ketu is making sambandha with Moon being posited in its

house Cancer. Sometimes this indicates mentally compromised persons in family.

Is this the case here? Could you confirm this?> I think this is a case of

severe hallucination as against actual sighting of spirits as claimed by the

lady. She could have severe persecution mania.This is in line with Saturn in

Mars Navamsha being posited in 5th house> The saving grace for this person

loosing her sense of proportion completely is of course Jupiter aspecting

Moon,5th house and 7th house .> If my logic is correct better results might be

obtained by strengthening Venus and remedies in that direction might help.> Of

course this how I view this chart, others might have different opinion. > > >

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Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

I do not think KSY/KAY is a fashion. I myself have suffered a lot in the hands

of the sarpas and may be still suffering with the marks left.

 

Regards

 

jk

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Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:23 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear J.K.Dasgupta,

I agree that there is KSY in the daughter's horoscope. My own views on Kalasarpa

yogas are a bit non conformist, and as such I always hesitate to comment on its

effects.

However it is always a pleasure to discuss with those, who are knowledgeable.

Kalasarpa yoga, as it is called has come in to fashion in recent years. Most

ancient texts do not even mention it. When I started studying astrology about40

and some years back(and am still studying it); nobody mentioned the yoga barring

a few. It was always saturn's deadly Sade Sati that was under discussion. KSY

came into fashion , at least in my state of mmaharashtra as Jyotish from

western part of Maharashtra and Purohit's of Trimbakashwara found a link of Nag

in Narayana Nag Bali and the Sarpa of Kalasarpa(And probably found a good market

in gullibles). The ritual of Narayana Nag Bali has to do with Pinda daana and is

not for Sarpa dosha (which is any way different from KSY which is ascribed to

KSY).

What we tend to forget is that Dragon's head and Dragon's tail are concepts of

western astrology and not edic astrology. Sarpa Dosha has to do with malefics

in three quadrant and not remotely connected with KSY.

 

About the chart in hand, if we see how the KSY is to operate, then it might

actually be a blessing rather than curse for her as no planet can have a full

7th house aspect on the sensitive sthanas from 7h to12th barring Mars ,Jupiter

and Saturn who anyway aspect the sthanas that they should, Mars the 6th Jupiter

the Ascendant and Saturn the 2nd which is his own Rasi in that half of the

horoscope.

Of couse Ketu and Mars together(Remember Kujavat Ketu) in 12th house lorded

over by Jupiter, a friend, and for Ketu an exaltation rasi, have their own

significance. They are liable to damage her marital life and being lord of the

11th and 4th might make her go to distant lands to earn her livelyhood. The

saving grace is exchange of house between Venus and Jupiter, this should, to

soe extent modify the illeffects of Venus debilitation in navamsha.

At least this how I see it . I am eagerly awaiting Sanjayji,s inputs on role of Atmakaraka.

With regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

vedic astrology ;

Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:52 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

This is the chart of the daughter and i was talking about this one only. some

comments below. however, have you noticed one thing? now a days lot of mails

are being exchanged on curses / preta badha etc. even sjc, delhi were having

classes on this and we in mumbai - unknowingly, started discussion on this

chart.

 

any perticular planetory combination for this?

 

Regards

 

jk

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:09 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Sunil,

If you look at the daughter's chart what strikes you is connection of venus(Lord

of the 5th) to 9th house(by aspect) as in the case of mother. The venus here too

is debilitated in navamsha and so will give those results. Mars afflicted by

Ketu aspects this venus from 12th house, so possibility of strong and strange

sexual drive in the daughter cannot be ruled out.

Moon and Mercury are together with 8th lord Sun and 6th lord Mercury. Mercury is

further afflicted by Rahu being deposited in his house and similar connection of

Buddhipati Venus with his other house the 9th. Also look at connection of

Sat/Jupiter with 5th house here as in the case of the mother.

 

[jk] above all these affliction it has KSY also. Mars with Ket may not break the

yoga....and again mars+ketu

 

Severe mental disturbance coupled with escaping in to imaginary realm cannot be

ruled out here too as in the case of the mother but on a different level.

It is easy to pass on something on to pretadosha or badha, the classic yogas

occur with less frequency than is generally believed. Again for any black magic

to affect one, assuming that the practioner is a master; one has to have done

something really bad. Otherwise it affects the practiotioner him/herself. Here

again strength of mind plays a strong role.

At least this is how I view this matter.You must have observed that I usually do

not prefer to comment on curses and posession by spirits. The reason is , I have

no way of finding out whether what ever prediction I made in that regard is

correct or not. It is too much dependent on what a jatak feels about it than

what might be correct.

This of course does not mean that those who follow this line are wrong. Just

that I do not feel myself expert enough to comment on things that I have not

understoood in their entirety.

 

[jk] you are very right and i agree with you.

 

About Venus, yes others have also asked on similar lines. The basic principle of

astrology is that a planet that is strong helps where as a planet which is weak

might create problems to the bhava.That is why we say a debilitated shubha

planet will create problems. Venus when strong teaches one how to control

desires and still enjoy life. The lady's problems have their genesis in a weak

Venus and I think it should help her than harm. Again remember Venus as

Atmakaraka has very different role and the principles of how a graha is taken

to be atmakaraka will reveal that the planet is usually weak. The reason is

that it is the planet in highest degrees, like here it is in the last 6 degrees

of sign virgo, where being even rasi he is Bal (child) hence the childish

attitude towards sex of this lady. Had it been may be Darakaraka he might have

given more serious attitude towards casual sex. That is why strengthening

atmakaraka should only be done when he becomes a yogakaraka as in the instant

horoscope and not otherwise.

 

[jk] you may be correct on this. we shall request Sanjayji and others to plz

comment on this perticular case.

 

 

Others might have different views.

Hope this helps,

Chandrashekhar.

-

suniljohn (AT) softhome (DOT) net

vedic astrology

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:32 PM

[vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Chandrashekharji,Pranam, some queries on this chart, as you know I am a

beginner and needs to be corrected.As analysed by you, upon confirmation we got

that the girls mother is a bit neurotic. I think JKda pointed out in another

post, that we had earlier thought that the girl is hallucinating but her

daughter has also now started seeing people in the house and hence her mother

is very scared.I attach the daughters chart too for your perusal.Apart from the

case of black magic JKda had pointed out another dosha of being haunted by

spirits. The current house she is staying in was earlier rented to aboriginals

who are known to be able to access spirits very easily it is said.Sir, you had

pointed out earlier that remedies should be for Venus, my query is would this

give adverse results since her past has been odd kind of sex and its related

problems. So would this strengthening of Ven backfire on her as she is still in

two minds to go back to that kind of lifestyle as now she has her child. But if

she goes back to it then problems always comes in. I presume this is the AK Ven

trying to show her the way.Could you kindly comment on the nature of the coming

Ven dasa.As of now the native has started reading spiritual books after lot of

obstacles, is this how the AK is showing the path, I mean are the results of

the coming dasa being experienced a bit in advance.Best wishes,Sunil JohnDear

JK Dasgupta,> Does this not appear to be a case of sever affliction of 5th

house ? The 5th lord is debilitated, though vargottama being in house of

debiitation in both natal and navamsha charts. The Mantra Pada, and Ascendant

are severely afflicted with mandi Gulika Kala and Rahu and Vyayamsha yukta.

Venus becoming Atmakaraka is severely afflicted as trines from it in natal

chart are afflicted. Add to it aspect received by Moon lord of the 7th in

3rd(marital problems and change of partners) is again afflicted by aspect of

Mercury and Lord of the 6th Sun.I remember that in 2/8 axis mutual aspect of

Mercury-Moon can lead to loosing money. The problems to dharma sthana by her

opting for liasion with somebody of relogion other than her own indicates that

the yoga is coming through here. Saturn Lagnesh in 5th has rendered first child

as a miscarriage. Again Ketu is making sambandha with Moon being posited in its

house Cancer. Sometimes this indicates mentally compromised persons in family.

Is this the case here? Could you confirm this?> I think this is a case of

severe hallucination as against actual sighting of spirits as claimed by the

lady. She could have severe persecution mania.This is in line with Saturn in

Mars Navamsha being posited in 5th house> The saving grace for this person

loosing her sense of proportion completely is of course Jupiter aspecting

Moon,5th house and 7th house .> If my logic is correct better results might be

obtained by strengthening Venus and remedies in that direction might help.> Of

course this how I view this chart, others might have different opinion. > > >

> > > > The New Search -

Faster. Easier. Bingo. > ATTACHMENT part 2.2 application/octet-stream

name=Daughters chart.jhd > > > > Do you

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Dear J.K.Dasguptaji,

I am sorry to hear of that, perhaps some other planetary combinations might also

be responsible. I said so because, I have not found mention of one in any of the

Ancient texts available to Us. If you have some reference, kindly let me know,

so that I can update my knowledge.

Chandrashekhar.

----

 

 

Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

I do not think KSY/KAY is a fashion. I myself have suffered a lot in the hands

of the sarpas and may be still suffering with the marks left.

 

Regards

 

jk

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:23 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear J.K.Dasgupta,

I agree that there is KSY in the daughter's horoscope. My own views on Kalasarpa

yogas are a bit non conformist, and as such I always hesitate to comment on its

effects.

However it is always a pleasure to discuss with those, who are knowledgeable.

Kalasarpa yoga, as it is called has come in to fashion in recent years. Most

ancient texts do not even mention it. When I started studying astrology about40

and some years back(and am still studying it); nobody mentioned the yoga barring

a few. It was always saturn's deadly Sade Sati that was under discussion. KSY

came into fashion , at least in my state of mmaharashtra as Jyotish from

western part of Maharashtra and Purohit's of Trimbakashwara found a link of Nag

in Narayana Nag Bali and the Sarpa of Kalasarpa(And probably found a good market

in gullibles). The ritual of Narayana Nag Bali has to do with Pinda daana and is

not for Sarpa dosha (which is any way different from KSY which is ascribed to

KSY).

What we tend to forget is that Dragon's head and Dragon's tail are concepts of

western astrology and not edic astrology. Sarpa Dosha has to do with malefics

in three quadrant and not remotely connected with KSY.

 

About the chart in hand, if we see how the KSY is to operate, then it might

actually be a blessing rather than curse for her as no planet can have a full

7th house aspect on the sensitive sthanas from 7h to12th barring Mars ,Jupiter

and Saturn who anyway aspect the sthanas that they should, Mars the 6th Jupiter

the Ascendant and Saturn the 2nd which is his own Rasi in that half of the

horoscope.

Of couse Ketu and Mars together(Remember Kujavat Ketu) in 12th house lorded

over by Jupiter, a friend, and for Ketu an exaltation rasi, have their own

significance. They are liable to damage her marital life and being lord of the

11th and 4th might make her go to distant lands to earn her livelyhood. The

saving grace is exchange of house between Venus and Jupiter, this should, to

soe extent modify the illeffects of Venus debilitation in navamsha.

At least this how I see it . I am eagerly awaiting Sanjayji,s inputs on role of Atmakaraka.

With regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

-

j.k. dasgupta

vedic astrology ;

Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:52 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

This is the chart of the daughter and i was talking about this one only. some

comments below. however, have you noticed one thing? now a days lot of mails

are being exchanged on curses / preta badha etc. even sjc, delhi were having

classes on this and we in mumbai - unknowingly, started discussion on this

chart.

 

any perticular planetory combination for this?

 

Regards

 

jk

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:09 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Sunil,

If you look at the daughter's chart what strikes you is connection of venus(Lord

of the 5th) to 9th house(by aspect) as in the case of mother. The venus here too

is debilitated in navamsha and so will give those results. Mars afflicted by

Ketu aspects this venus from 12th house, so possibility of strong and strange

sexual drive in the daughter cannot be ruled out.

Moon and Mercury are together with 8th lord Sun and 6th lord Mercury. Mercury is

further afflicted by Rahu being deposited in his house and similar connection of

Buddhipati Venus with his other house the 9th. Also look at connection of

Sat/Jupiter with 5th house here as in the case of the mother.

 

[jk] above all these affliction it has KSY also. Mars with Ket may not break the

yoga....and again mars+ketu

 

Severe mental disturbance coupled with escaping in to imaginary realm cannot be

ruled out here too as in the case of the mother but on a different level.

It is easy to pass on something on to pretadosha or badha, the classic yogas

occur with less frequency than is generally believed. Again for any black magic

to affect one, assuming that the practioner is a master; one has to have done

something really bad. Otherwise it affects the practiotioner him/herself. Here

again strength of mind plays a strong role.

At least this is how I view this matter.You must have observed that I usually do

not prefer to comment on curses and posession by spirits. The reason is , I have

no way of finding out whether what ever prediction I made in that regard is

correct or not. It is too much dependent on what a jatak feels about it than

what might be correct.

This of course does not mean that those who follow this line are wrong. Just

that I do not feel myself expert enough to comment on things that I have not

understoood in their entirety.

 

[jk] you are very right and i agree with you.

 

About Venus, yes others have also asked on similar lines. The basic principle of

astrology is that a planet that is strong helps where as a planet which is weak

might create problems to the bhava.That is why we say a debilitated shubha

planet will create problems. Venus when strong teaches one how to control

desires and still enjoy life. The lady's problems have their genesis in a weak

Venus and I think it should help her than harm. Again remember Venus as

Atmakaraka has very different role and the principles of how a graha is taken

to be atmakaraka will reveal that the planet is usually weak. The reason is

that it is the planet in highest degrees, like here it is in the last 6 degrees

of sign virgo, where being even rasi he is Bal (child) hence the childish

attitude towards sex of this lady. Had it been may be Darakaraka he might have

given more serious attitude towards casual sex. That is why strengthening

atmakaraka should only be done when he becomes a yogakaraka as in the instant

horoscope and not otherwise.

 

[jk] you may be correct on this. we shall request Sanjayji and others to plz

comment on this perticular case.

 

 

Others might have different views.

Hope this helps,

Chandrashekhar.

-

suniljohn (AT) softhome (DOT) net

vedic astrology

Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:32 PM

[vedic astrology] 20th discussion meeting proceedings, mumbai

Dear Chandrashekharji,Pranam, some queries on this chart, as you know I am a

beginner and needs to be corrected.As analysed by you, upon confirmation we got

that the girls mother is a bit neurotic. I think JKda pointed out in another

post, that we had earlier thought that the girl is hallucinating but her

daughter has also now started seeing people in the house and hence her mother

is very scared.I attach the daughters chart too for your perusal.Apart from the

case of black magic JKda had pointed out another dosha of being haunted by

spirits. The current house she is staying in was earlier rented to aboriginals

who are known to be able to access spirits very easily it is said.Sir, you had

pointed out earlier that remedies should be for Venus, my query is would this

give adverse results since her past has been odd kind of sex and its related

problems. So would this strengthening of Ven backfire on her as she is still in

two minds to go back to that kind of lifestyle as now she has her child. But if

she goes back to it then problems always comes in. I presume this is the AK Ven

trying to show her the way.Could you kindly comment on the nature of the coming

Ven dasa.As of now the native has started reading spiritual books after lot of

obstacles, is this how the AK is showing the path, I mean are the results of

the coming dasa being experienced a bit in advance.Best wishes,Sunil JohnDear

JK Dasgupta,> Does this not appear to be a case of sever affliction of 5th

house ? The 5th lord is debilitated, though vargottama being in house of

debiitation in both natal and navamsha charts. The Mantra Pada, and Ascendant

are severely afflicted with mandi Gulika Kala and Rahu and Vyayamsha yukta.

Venus becoming Atmakaraka is severely afflicted as trines from it in natal

chart are afflicted. Add to it aspect received by Moon lord of the 7th in

3rd(marital problems and change of partners) is again afflicted by aspect of

Mercury and Lord of the 6th Sun.I remember that in 2/8 axis mutual aspect of

Mercury-Moon can lead to loosing money. The problems to dharma sthana by her

opting for liasion with somebody of relogion other than her own indicates that

the yoga is coming through here. Saturn Lagnesh in 5th has rendered first child

as a miscarriage. Again Ketu is making sambandha with Moon being posited in its

house Cancer. Sometimes this indicates mentally compromised persons in family.

Is this the case here? Could you confirm this?> I think this is a case of

severe hallucination as against actual sighting of spirits as claimed by the

lady. She could have severe persecution mania.This is in line with Saturn in

Mars Navamsha being posited in 5th house> The saving grace for this person

loosing her sense of proportion completely is of course Jupiter aspecting

Moon,5th house and 7th house .> If my logic is correct better results might be

obtained by strengthening Venus and remedies in that direction might help.> Of

course this how I view this chart, others might have different opinion. > > >

> > > > The New Search -

Faster. Easier. Bingo. > ATTACHMENT part 2.2 application/octet-stream

name=Daughters chart.jhd > > > > Do you

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