Birth Time & not crying at birth

May 20, 2003

Dear Shailesh.

If I remember right, Ketu in 2nd makes one"Stabdhavak". probably the correct way

to describe your fear of public speaking.

Chandrashekhar.

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Shailesh Rana

vedic astrology

Monday, May 19, 2003 9:45 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time & not crying at birth

Hari OM

Dear Gurus & Learned Friends,

Pranaams!

Since a lot is being discussed here regarding the time to be considered as

"birth" for our jyotish purposes, if it may not be out of context, I'm

attaching my chart.

I'm not supposed to have cried for a few minutes, right after my delivery.

When I had asked a learned astroger, at home in Nepal, I was pointed toward the

conjunction of Surya/Rahu in lagna in my chart.

In addition to this, when I was a kid playing with friends, one "siddha"

mahatma/astrologer was supposed to have commented to my mother asking "if this

kid didn't speak/cry at birth"....he had never known us, and I was just a

"stranger" to him..

Does this have to do with the malefic involvement of Sun/Rahu/Ketu/Mars(Jupiter) on my lagna ?

Or, how is this to be seen in a chart? An ounce of jyotish knowledge that I have

tells me Ketu/Mercury/2nd house & its lord & its association play an important

role for dumbness/speech related things etc...Otherwise I don't have any

problem with speech related things, except of course my fear of public

speaking..

Please grant some light....

Hari OM

Pranaams,

Shailesh

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Sarajit Poddar

vedic astrology

Sunday, May 18, 2003 5:16 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time & cutting a nevel

Jaya JagannathDear Rema,

This is really interesting. I would like to have a look in your chart. Please

post me personally. For such cases also and also for cases of still born birth,

I would take the cutting of the umbilical cord. This becomes a problem when you

take first cry or first breath or something like that as the time of birth,

where the birth time cannot be found as the baby didn't cry.

Best Wishes

Sarajit

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"Rema Menon" <remamenon >

Monday, May 19, 2003 2:03 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time & cutting a nevel

> Namaste Sarajitji and Ramapriyaji,> > In continuation with this discussion I

have a question> for you.> What if a baby is born, do not cry, is blue, is>

separated from the mothers body, the umblical cord is> cut and since found not

breathing, that means dead,> set aside as dead, and later after 15 minutes or

so.> resumes the color of living, starts moving and crying.> > > What is the

actual time of this baby's starting of> life...the emerging from the mothers

body, cutting of> the umblical cord or first breath(cry)?> The baby in question

is/was me.> > Thanks, Rema> > > > --- Ramapriya D <hubli (AT) hotpop (DOT) com> wrote:> >

Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time & cutting a> > nevelDear Sarajit,> > > > My

accent was intended to keep the whole concept> > simple; it perhaps became too

simple, as you say > > > > Let me try another. Say a lady delivers a baby

which> > is dead on arrival. Would or wouldn't you consider> > it born? I think

I'd look obtuse if on the grounds> > of it not having shrieked I argued that it

wasn't> > born at all. It was born but was born a lemon; too> > bad. And when

was it born? When it physically> > separated from the inside of its mom. That

was my> > point, notwithstanding it was poorly made > > > > Warm regards,> >

> > Rama> > hubli (AT) vsnl (DOT) com> > > > - > >

Sarajit Poddar > > vedic astrology > > Sunday,

May 18, 2003 5:53 PM> > Re: [vedic astrology] Birth Time &> >

cutting a nevel> > > > > > Jaya Jagannath> > Dear Rama,> > > > The

logic is brilliant, but not of much utility> > for Jyotish sake. The definition

you gave is again> > is given not taking Jyotish in mind... Isn't it...> >

Definitions are something which we define, based on> > whatever it should be;

its not the definition which> > define what it should be. Yup for a common man

your> > definition of birth would suffice. However, what I> > might say here is

that, Cars don't have placenta> > otherwise if it has any, then obviously you

couldn't> > have driven it to your home, as long as the car was> > connected to

the delivery showroom with it.> > > > Best Wishes> > Sarajit> > -----

Original Message ----- > > Sanjay Rath > > To:

vedic astrology > > Sunday, May 18, 2003 7:37 PM> >

RE: [vedic astrology] Birth Time &> > cutting a nevel> > > > Om

Brihaspataye namah> > Dear Rama> > Simply brilliant analogy..there are

somethigns> > God will always keep in His control.> > With best wishes> >

Sanjay Rath> > > > > =====> Rema Menon> > >

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May 20, 2003

Hare Rama Krsna!

Dear all,

I submit herewith two charts which are quite interesting regarding the

question we are discussing here about the correct time of birth, whether

it is emerging from the mother's womb, first cry, or cutting of umbilical

cord. Thereafter I will explain my opinion with a story from sastra,

though I don't know the exact reference, since I only heard the story.

These two charts are also attached. First is the daughter of a friend

devotee, born in the car while driving to the hospital, cried immediately,

but umbilical cord was cut about 10 minutes later. The second is the chart

of my youngest brother, umbilical cord was cut about 20 minutes later,

when the doctor arrived. In both cases lagna and Moon will be quite

different, changing navamsa or dwadasamsa sign, even drekkana for my

brother. If you have any questions, please ask.

1) Kalindi 15-Jan-1998 16:08 coordinates 5E20, 50N18

2) Yannick 1-Dec-1978 5:09 coordinates 3E36, 50N45

Now the story: there was once upon a time a great astrologer in South

India, who had calculated the time his child would have to be born very

accurately, to the second precisely. Now it so happened that at that

particular morning he was called to a neighbour's house which was a few

hundred meter away from his house. Then, at that time he heard the cry of

a child, and noted the time precisely he had heard the cry. Then, soon

after he got the news his wife had given birth to his son, and so

immediately he calculated the birth chart of his child. Here he got up in

astonishment, concluding that this child could NOT be his child! It was

only on the way back to his house that he suddenly realized that due to

the distance between his house and his neighbour's, the sound would have

traveled a few seconds to reach his ear, and so he had to adjust the time

to come to the correct chart. (we know the sound in air travels at a speed

of about 340m/s).

>From this story it would be obvious that the correct time of birth is the

time of first breath of the child, whether it cries or not. Anyway,

certainly we could go on arguing the pro's and contra's for eons. Better

to make a detailed study of accurately timed events of first cry, cutting

the umbilical cord etc, in order to see the truth.

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

Jyotisha

http://www.radhadesh.com

Attachment: (APPLICATION/octet-stream) Kalindi_Yamuna.jhd [not stored]

Attachment: (APPLICATION/octet-stream) Yannick.jhd [not stored]

May 21, 2003

So birth and Death are intimately connected to BREATHING

Dhira Krsna BCS <Dhira.Krsna.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote:

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May 21, 2003

Om sai Ram,

Chandrashekhar ji,

pranaam,

My son has ketu in the second house- he is a good public speaker and represented

his schools in many competitions.Does the rule have any exceptions per se?

ketu in 2nd though receives argala from the lagna with mercury, sun, venus and

mars in leo.Does this factor make the difference?

Interestingly- ketu has always held a special appeal- Its presence in The UL is

supposed to make the spouse very spiritual- I have recently seen a chart where

the couple is on the verge of divorce and though the spouse outwardly very

ritualistic is very scheming and plotting- I know this for a fact as they are

very close tome.Could this be because arudhas are always related to maya and

have nothing to do with truth?

regards,

anu.

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Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:29 AM